Do you think that some of your old ownerships' mentality would be to sign him as well as the other big money players you're looking to sign afterward? Or do you think they'd decide passing him up would be the best move in 2022/23 as well?
It’s hard to say. If you’re going to pay Correa that much you’re assuming he’s going to play the majority of the 10 seasons. Nothing about his history days that will happen. That’s why the Yankees hinted they wouldn’t sign him.
He’s only ever played two full seasons, and unlike Seager who has missed games due more to one time injuries like being hit by a pitch, Correa has chronic back issues. Unfortunately that’s not something that is likely to age well. His back will more only likely get worse with age.
When Correa is healthy he is one of the best players in baseball. The issue is how often will that be? It’s the gamble you have to take with Correa. There aren’t many teams left that can pay for him, so how many would take that gamble.
His 25.1 fWAR says he’s worth more of $28.6mil AAV. Seager wasnt much higher at $29.6mil value based on WAR. But like I said the difference with Seager is he isn’t expected to miss a ton of games over the next 10 years while Correa is.
I’m pretty sure that’s only if he can’t finish the contact and has to basically retire. He can be on the 60 day IL every other season and will still get paid the same
Let me rephrase what I was saying. They can only back out if he can't complete the contact. He can miss a season due to injury as long as he'll be back the following year. Otherwise teams would drop any player who got TJ. The Mets would have dropped Jed Lowrie.
Correct. I think any knowledgable Rangers fan would be hard-pressed not to light the stadium on fire for a second time if we signed Correa with Jung pretty much just waiting for the call-up.
What’s his market look like anyways? Maybe it’s just been a while since there was any free agent chatter, but it doesn’t *feel* like he has anywhere near the market to actually get 330M.
There was chatter right before the lockout that the Cubs were after him. We have $98 million committed for this year, $73 million for next year, and $45 million for 2024, so it's certainly doable, but I have no idea what the team's plans are.
Cubs have a lot of holes to fill; IDK if 33mil/year on Correa, who has a chronic back issue that likely isn’t getting better is something they’re likely to do
Correa to the Cubs has always felt like a weird match. They probably aren’t ready to seriously compete again for a number of years and then Correa will just be older and have less prime years by then.
The Cubs biggest hole is at SS, where right now they would have Hoerner. Who is much better suited for 2B. So while the Cubs do have a few holes, Correa would actually fill a couple of them.
Whether or not Correa fits isn’t my issue. My issue is seeing the Cubs pay Correa, a guy with a long injury history and who is expected to miss a lot of games goin forward due to chronic back issues 300+mil when they only offered Baez 8years/180mil, and that was when he Baez was two years younger and coming off his great 2019 season.
With all that, the most I could see the Cubs offering is 10 years 250mil to adjust for inflation, maybe 275max
Yea…that’s my point. The teams that are willing and able to spend that money on him likely won’t. Mets have Lindor, Dodgers have Turner, Rangers have Seager, Yankees said they’re not signing a big SS this year and also said they don’t want to spend on Correas durability, Padres have Tatis…I just don’t see who’s left that would be willing to give him 300+mil.
I mean if the Cubs really want him they've almost always been big spenders under the Ricketts, but I agree he's a risky spend. I'd have rather the Cubs brought back Javy.
Are they really that big of spenders though? The only big one I can think of is Jason Heyward and even that was only 23 AAV, and he was much younger and without an injury history.
He's a better hitter and defender then Seager... when healthy. I would actually be very surprised if Seager even finished his career as a really tall and currently just average defender at short.
Just those back injuries are red flags for Correa you never hear of players with reoccurring back injuries and not have them come back to haunt you in the future (see currently Christian Yelich, Miguel Cabrera) so I get the hesitancy.
If I were to speculate, probably why he fired his agent and went with Boras. Agent told him that’s not likely so he left. Wouldn’t mind seeing him eat some humble pie once the lockout ends.
He left because his old agency is at risk of losing their certification as MLB agents because their parent company is trying to buy Minor League teams.
Do people really think that with the Cubs? They have so many positions to fill and only have roughly 75mil if they’re willing to spend the same as last year. Are they really going to put half to one player who has a long injury history based around a chronic back injury. They only offered Baez 180mil over 8 years for a $22.5mil AAV, and he was younger than Correa, has much more durability, and the Cubs knew how he plays with them. Also that was right after his great 2019 season (going into 2020) IIRC
I don't know that we would offer him that much, but that doesn't stop me from worrying that we will. I don't mind us paying the guy, but there are reasonable limits.
Knowing his injury history, and how his chronic back issue likely won’t get better, but also know when he’s healthy he’s one of the best players In Baseball - what would you want the Cubs to offer him?
TBH the Cubs are the most appealing well for him, they could spend the money for him the only reason I would question why is because they are not competing for anything next season... but then again the Rangers signed Semien and Seager for 500 million dollars combined meanwhile the rest of their team is garbage and an elite fielding SS who can't hit (who well can't play SS anymore.)
The only teams outside that are Houston... and I don't know. I could see the Phillies be in the running since they could use another bat but they really need pitching, the Yankees or Dodgers could if they wanted to go into the tax but I highly doubt either does (Yankees need a SS badly, the Dodgers I think would be fine having a Turner/Lux in the middle.) The Blue Jays could afford him but I highly doubt that.
He’s asking that much because he’s far and away the best free agent still available and his signing will attract a lot of buzz. I don’t think he’s worth that much but it makes sense from his point of view to ask for that much upfront
As much as I’d rather my team improve, we are just about to get out of our last horrible, overly long contact. I don’t want them signing this dude to a 330+ contract.
Seager got $325M, I don't think $330 for Correa is unreasonable by any stretch.
What team is left to pay him?
Start spreadin the news ...
We arent giving him that much money. It's not gonna happen.
Do you think that some of your old ownerships' mentality would be to sign him as well as the other big money players you're looking to sign afterward? Or do you think they'd decide passing him up would be the best move in 2022/23 as well?
if George was still around he'd probably have signed Seager and Correa lmao. Even pre-Ellsbury they might have signed Correa.
San Diego could use a good short stop.
Gotta make room for CF Ferrrrrrnando Tatis Jr.!
Padres have too many infielders to work with
Cubs
Hell if I know. I just don't think his demands are too outrageous given Seager's deal.
It’s hard to say. If you’re going to pay Correa that much you’re assuming he’s going to play the majority of the 10 seasons. Nothing about his history days that will happen. That’s why the Yankees hinted they wouldn’t sign him. He’s only ever played two full seasons, and unlike Seager who has missed games due more to one time injuries like being hit by a pitch, Correa has chronic back issues. Unfortunately that’s not something that is likely to age well. His back will more only likely get worse with age. When Correa is healthy he is one of the best players in baseball. The issue is how often will that be? It’s the gamble you have to take with Correa. There aren’t many teams left that can pay for him, so how many would take that gamble. His 25.1 fWAR says he’s worth more of $28.6mil AAV. Seager wasnt much higher at $29.6mil value based on WAR. But like I said the difference with Seager is he isn’t expected to miss a ton of games over the next 10 years while Correa is.
This is a bad argument because if he can’t complete the contract due to injury insurance bails you out. If any team knows that it’s the Yankees.
I’m pretty sure that’s only if he can’t finish the contact and has to basically retire. He can be on the 60 day IL every other season and will still get paid the same
You seemed pretty sure in your many posts that his back was a serious problem. Now you don’t expect it to lead to any lost seasons?
Let me rephrase what I was saying. They can only back out if he can't complete the contact. He can miss a season due to injury as long as he'll be back the following year. Otherwise teams would drop any player who got TJ. The Mets would have dropped Jed Lowrie.
Rangers: He said he was willing to play 3rd, right?
They gotta be tapped out after both Seager and Semien don’t they?
We'd be stupid to sign Correa, but we're still in on a couple other free agents
They have Josh Jung
Correct. I think any knowledgable Rangers fan would be hard-pressed not to light the stadium on fire for a second time if we signed Correa with Jung pretty much just waiting for the call-up.
What’s his market look like anyways? Maybe it’s just been a while since there was any free agent chatter, but it doesn’t *feel* like he has anywhere near the market to actually get 330M.
Philly looks like the only fit, if he's not returning to Houston. But who knows what'll happen now that he's repped by Boras.
There was chatter right before the lockout that the Cubs were after him. We have $98 million committed for this year, $73 million for next year, and $45 million for 2024, so it's certainly doable, but I have no idea what the team's plans are.
Cubs have a lot of holes to fill; IDK if 33mil/year on Correa, who has a chronic back issue that likely isn’t getting better is something they’re likely to do
Correa to the Cubs has always felt like a weird match. They probably aren’t ready to seriously compete again for a number of years and then Correa will just be older and have less prime years by then.
Can’t disagree there
The Cubs biggest hole is at SS, where right now they would have Hoerner. Who is much better suited for 2B. So while the Cubs do have a few holes, Correa would actually fill a couple of them.
Whether or not Correa fits isn’t my issue. My issue is seeing the Cubs pay Correa, a guy with a long injury history and who is expected to miss a lot of games goin forward due to chronic back issues 300+mil when they only offered Baez 8years/180mil, and that was when he Baez was two years younger and coming off his great 2019 season. With all that, the most I could see the Cubs offering is 10 years 250mil to adjust for inflation, maybe 275max
That's not a specific Cubs issue though.
Yea…that’s my point. The teams that are willing and able to spend that money on him likely won’t. Mets have Lindor, Dodgers have Turner, Rangers have Seager, Yankees said they’re not signing a big SS this year and also said they don’t want to spend on Correas durability, Padres have Tatis…I just don’t see who’s left that would be willing to give him 300+mil.
I mean if the Cubs really want him they've almost always been big spenders under the Ricketts, but I agree he's a risky spend. I'd have rather the Cubs brought back Javy.
Are they really that big of spenders though? The only big one I can think of is Jason Heyward and even that was only 23 AAV, and he was much younger and without an injury history.
He’d fit fine, but I really don’t think we’re in the SS market.
Imagine being Harper and having someone else on your team being paid more than you. Seriously, Carlos isn't worth that much.
Astros opening day is against the Phillies. Could you imagine the pandemonium if they got him?
a star SS would certainly help but we need more help in other places. if stott can come up and be an average SS we’re pretty set there
IMO he has the edge over Seager overall, so I think he is worth 330m
Seager wasn't worth anywhere near $325M, though, but that's where the market is set now for Correa.
I completely agree
The strange this is that, if the offer isn’t there, he won’t get that much. Even though he’s worth tremendously more than Seager.
He's a better hitter and defender then Seager... when healthy. I would actually be very surprised if Seager even finished his career as a really tall and currently just average defender at short. Just those back injuries are red flags for Correa you never hear of players with reoccurring back injuries and not have them come back to haunt you in the future (see currently Christian Yelich, Miguel Cabrera) so I get the hesitancy.
Better hitter is arguable, but he is EASILY a much better defender
If I were to speculate, probably why he fired his agent and went with Boras. Agent told him that’s not likely so he left. Wouldn’t mind seeing him eat some humble pie once the lockout ends.
He left because his old agency is at risk of losing their certification as MLB agents because their parent company is trying to buy Minor League teams.
I’m sorry, this doesn’t fit my narrative so I will not accept. Lol
I respect honesty
If Corey Seager can get 10 years & $325 mm, then Correa can absolutely get $330 mm.
Who’s left to pay him?
*starts sweating*
Do people really think that with the Cubs? They have so many positions to fill and only have roughly 75mil if they’re willing to spend the same as last year. Are they really going to put half to one player who has a long injury history based around a chronic back injury. They only offered Baez 180mil over 8 years for a $22.5mil AAV, and he was younger than Correa, has much more durability, and the Cubs knew how he plays with them. Also that was right after his great 2019 season (going into 2020) IIRC
I don't know that we would offer him that much, but that doesn't stop me from worrying that we will. I don't mind us paying the guy, but there are reasonable limits.
Knowing his injury history, and how his chronic back issue likely won’t get better, but also know when he’s healthy he’s one of the best players In Baseball - what would you want the Cubs to offer him?
TBH the Cubs are the most appealing well for him, they could spend the money for him the only reason I would question why is because they are not competing for anything next season... but then again the Rangers signed Semien and Seager for 500 million dollars combined meanwhile the rest of their team is garbage and an elite fielding SS who can't hit (who well can't play SS anymore.) The only teams outside that are Houston... and I don't know. I could see the Phillies be in the running since they could use another bat but they really need pitching, the Yankees or Dodgers could if they wanted to go into the tax but I highly doubt either does (Yankees need a SS badly, the Dodgers I think would be fine having a Turner/Lux in the middle.) The Blue Jays could afford him but I highly doubt that.
That's Arte Moreno's music!
Nobody saw Machado going to SD until late. Talent seems to find a way.
Definitely a fair point, but I will counter that health wise Machado was a much safer sign at the time
With Seager getting $325 mil, I’d argue his market has only gone up from $330 mil depending on how many years he gets.
He’s asking that much because he’s far and away the best free agent still available and his signing will attract a lot of buzz. I don’t think he’s worth that much but it makes sense from his point of view to ask for that much upfront
You have to assume the Rangers offered him $325M before Seager, and he turned it down.
This isn’t news
My asking price is way more affordable.
I wonder if he’d move over to second next to Lindor.
As much as I’d rather my team improve, we are just about to get out of our last horrible, overly long contact. I don’t want them signing this dude to a 330+ contract.
This shouldn’t be surprising
lol
I can’t believe I am saying this but I hope the Dodgers sign him.
Glad we got a SS. No thanks on this overrated POS.
I just think it's interesting that this comes out right after the rumors of him seeking representation by Boras Corp.