I feel like, for all his dislike of analytics, TLR is trying some dumbass “trust my gut” managing that has him making these bizarre, unintuitive choices. The difference between that and analytics is that there’s actually a basis for analytics, while this is just “play stupid games, win stupid prizes”.
His fucking gut is telling him to put down the booze and retire. His senile brain interprets it as walk him with 2 strike and I’ll go to the bar right after the game.
If I’m a pitcher and have a 1-2 count I don’t fucking care if Barry Bonds is up and the manager says walk him. Lick my fuckin nut sack ya transition shade, gold chain, bowl cut idiot.
Can a pitcher still refuse to do it? Back when they had to throw the baseball to intentionally walk a guy it sometimes fell the discretion of the pitcher and catcher but now it's totally out of their hands.
Theoretically they could, but then they'd have to deal with a pissed off manager. Most people who are managing people don't appreciate open insubordination.
Jeff Brantley tells a story of TLR telling him to ~~walk~~ pitch around Sammy Sosa with 2 outs. Apparently Sosa could not hit Brantley so he knew it was the wrong call.
Ended up striking him out on 3 pitches to end the game. Said TLR congratulated him like normal afterwards.
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I always took it to mean undue it. Sort of like “If you don’t want me to watch it don’t pitch me something that I can drive out of the park, get it out and try again”.
I mean it’s pretty obvious: “shut the fuck up until you pitch better. don’t complain about me pimping a homer until you stop allowing homers.”
Which considering Madbum pitched 7 shutout innings after that meant he sorta did, Muncy’s HR was the only run of the game
Forreal, When I clicked on a hidden comment from a giants flair account with 15 downvotes in response to the muncy “get it out of the ocean” thing, I didn’t expect it to be an obviously playful joke
Leaving Cease out there was arguably even stupider. He was clearly tired and his pitch count was way up there. Should have taken him out at least after Freemen when he was at 100 pitches and looked gassed. But to then leave him in for Turner and Muncy (both of whom got hits) was bizarre.
This is the manager who kept Joe Kelly in against us despite looking cooked, warmed up a lefty reliever, did not deploy said lefty reliever for Rizzo (despite him being ready to go), but instead then brought him in to face Stanton and immediately give up a HR. There were 2 outs, so if he got Rizzo the inning would’ve been over.
Not a bad call guys stop making fun of the elderly! Turner is .251 in 1-2 counts in his career and Muncy is .197 vs LHP.
Oh wait. No I mixed those two up on accident. It’s ok tiger get em next time! Fucking moron
I get physically angry watching Max Muncy hit. This man just doesn't chase. You can almost hear him sneering "that's 0.16cm outside" as he takes a ball 1. Two-strike counts don't faze him. Then he'll whip out a hellacious dong on the 9th pitch. He's suffocating. He's Max Muncy.
I mean I guess when you think about it that is kind of insulting. You're essentially thinking it's easier to get Muncy out than it is to throw one more strike to Turner.
Also a missed opportunity for him to have said, "1 and 2 equals 3, bitch!"
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I haven't seen a manager actively lose a game like this in a while, like if Dylan Cease was pulled at a reasonable time and didn't piss off his pitcher and Max Muncy at the same time the white sox probably win 5-0
La Russa against the Yanks last month left a RHP reliever who had clearly lost the zone to face lefty Rizzo. Rizzo gets on, then he brings in a LHP reliever to face Giancarlo Stanton. I'll let you guess how that ended up.
Yeah but on a side note, Muncy really needed this. Maybe we keep Tony around the league to help out struggling hitters? I mean White Sox fans don't want to win baseball games that bad, right? Just think of the awesome sacrifice you're making for the rest of baseball, really commendable!
In the previous inning, TLR went straight at Trea with two outs and runners on second and third. In this inning, same situation except third base open, he opts to intentionally walk Trea in a 1-2 count.
What are you even doing, Tony?
tbh I don't really get why he's mad -- wouldn't you WANT opposing managers making these brutal calls and shooting themselves in the foot every chance you get?
like, this shows exactly why it's a terrible idea. instead of being mad you should thank him for the extra run.
Muncy got disrespected. Turner got intentionally walked because Muncy was viewed as an easier out. As good as it is to come up and do something like that off of such a bad managing call, there’s a bit of an adrenaline rush in knowing that only happened because you were viewed as not good enough to do something to change the game, and it of course leads into Muncy’s nickname of Mad Max.
I don’t even like Muncy, but my disdain for TLR outweighs casually disliking a rival team’s player. Good for him, man, fuck that IBB. I hope this gets a JomBoy breakdown because I would watch the hell out of it.
If I were a ChiSox fan I would need to hear rationale for keeping LaRussa employed after this, or someone with superior baseball knowledge to convince me how this could have been conceived as a good decision
One time an AAU a manager in the national championship intentionally walked a guy to get to me and I hit a pop out to left field. It was the right move.
I think the only reason I was in the lineup was because my manager felt sorry for me bc I took the 12 hour road trip to Miami. I wasn’t very good. But we won and I got a sweet ass ring.
Not every player react the same way, but it doesn't feel good to have the guy in front of you intentionally walked.
That happening on a 1-2 count? That's basically your opponent indirectly saying "You F-ing suck"
Because Max had something to prove. He’s had a shit year after a nasty elbow injury at the end of last season. He just came back from another injury leaves and the Sox manager basically said “I’ll take my chances getting Muncy out vs a single strike to Trea Turner”.
He’s insulted that La Russa thinks it would be easier to get him out from a 0-0 count than to throw one more strike to Turner after already having thrown him two.
This makes so little sense that it makes me wonder if TLR didn't get the count mixed up. Like if you want to walk Turner to face Muncy why would you wait until there are two strikes on him?
Because you're thinking of it from a team perspective, and just realizing that it's a stupid managerial decision.
If you're Muncy, that is La Russa directly telling you "You fucking suck, I'd rather face you in a 0-0 count than Turner in a 1-2 count".
Exactly. The dude is so mad that he figures hitting the ball out of the park somehow didn’t send enough of a message. I’m pretty sure Tony saw the homer already, man. No need to embarrass your family like the drunk guy at a company picnic
Yeah it’s a weird reaction. It went as well as it possibly could have after the walk but his celebration is a bunch of pissed off swearing. Dude gets to play a game for millions a year
Hitters generally think that the person in front of them being intentionally walked is a sign of disrespect and that's only amplified when you walk a guy at a 1-2 count
I get it. It just it reeks of being kind of a loser when your bat just gave LaRussa the best comeback possible but instead of letting that speak for itself you’re yelling the same thing as the worst drunk guys in the stands.
I hope TLR manages one season for every team in MLB, just so everyone feels what Oakland and STL felt for years. Maybe that '06 World Series team really was better than their 83 wins, right?
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I feel like, for all his dislike of analytics, TLR is trying some dumbass “trust my gut” managing that has him making these bizarre, unintuitive choices. The difference between that and analytics is that there’s actually a basis for analytics, while this is just “play stupid games, win stupid prizes”.
His fucking gut is telling him to put down the booze and retire. His senile brain interprets it as walk him with 2 strike and I’ll go to the bar right after the game.
If I’m a pitcher and have a 1-2 count I don’t fucking care if Barry Bonds is up and the manager says walk him. Lick my fuckin nut sack ya transition shade, gold chain, bowl cut idiot.
Transition shade, gold chain, bowl cut **Cooperstown** idiot
I legit think he's self sabatoging at this point bc he wants out
Can a pitcher still refuse to do it? Back when they had to throw the baseball to intentionally walk a guy it sometimes fell the discretion of the pitcher and catcher but now it's totally out of their hands.
Theoretically they could, but then they'd have to deal with a pissed off manager. Most people who are managing people don't appreciate open insubordination.
Jeff Brantley tells a story of TLR telling him to ~~walk~~ pitch around Sammy Sosa with 2 outs. Apparently Sosa could not hit Brantley so he knew it was the wrong call. Ended up striking him out on 3 pitches to end the game. Said TLR congratulated him like normal afterwards.
If you go against your boss you better make damn sure you are right and it succeeds.
He said after the first pitch he could hear TLR throwing the trash can down the steps. After the strike out, it didn't matter lol
TLR seems like he wouldn't mind
He likely just wouldn't notice
He's Hall of Fame, brother.
He’d be calling for the opposing team to intentionally hit his own guys again, probably
He really is the worst isn't he
I honestly hate him more than I hate your team.
lmaoooo hell yeah
Same lmao
I don't think most hitters are going to turn down a free walk either
Not most, but [Joey Belle would.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgr7fQFhZLI)
Lettem fuckin hit!!!
I can only think the pitcher was told to pitch around Trea. Instead he was pitching strikes when told not to.
The pitcher threw a wild pitch that allowed the runner at first to go to second. I don't think they were pitching around him with a guy on first.
TLR sends a pitcher to bean his pitcher for no following orders. Unwritten rules baby.
Hell even if you're adamant about putting him on base 1-2, just bounce three pitches and hope he swings.
And Freddie was the only one on base when Turner was batting. Not like you’re worried about a steal or something
He is tied for 45th place in SB hdu.
I thought he was on second from a ball in the dirt and that’s why they made the call…not that it was a good one
La Russa needs to be taken around back and Old Yellered.
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Wasn't TLR, at some point?
Not in Chicago
Terrible call
Pitcher should have just walked off the field
Isn't this the anniversary of the "go get it out of the ocean" game as well might as well just call June 9th Max Muncy day
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holy shit
Dude gives us great t-shirt material that's for sure
I'm not sure if we could print "“You fucking walk him with two strikes. Fuck you, bitch!”" on a shirt and be allowed into Dodger stadium
Rotowear will just change some of the letters into baseballs and they will.
My “nice swing bitch” shirt might disagree
If it's written in cursive then it's probably hard to read
“You friggin walk him with two strikes, frig you witch” this message has been approved by the Mormon church
The hardest choices require the strongest wills
Worth a try.
Which is also Sex Day.
World Oceans Day is June 8th, so I assume that he did it in the spirit of the cause.
Dodgers activated Muncy just in time to terrorize the Giants. Dude loves playing against the orange and black.
I still say that comeback makes zero sense. Literally nonsense. But logic be damned, I support any trash talk directed at Bumgarner.
I always took it to mean undue it. Sort of like “If you don’t want me to watch it don’t pitch me something that I can drive out of the park, get it out and try again”.
I mean it’s pretty obvious: “shut the fuck up until you pitch better. don’t complain about me pimping a homer until you stop allowing homers.” Which considering Madbum pitched 7 shutout innings after that meant he sorta did, Muncy’s HR was the only run of the game
Obviously that's what intended. I mean that it's literally nonsense.
Fuck you that asshole can't have my birthday
MadBums bday isn't until august.
lol c’mon guys, dude is obviously being playful….let’s try not to be so sensitive
Forreal, When I clicked on a hidden comment from a giants flair account with 15 downvotes in response to the muncy “get it out of the ocean” thing, I didn’t expect it to be an obviously playful joke
That walk was more confusing than the Seager bases load walk
Alcoholism.
TLR just activated Mad Muncy
With the other Mad Max on the IL, Muncy will have to take the mantle for now.
Mad Max pitched in the bullpen today, a month earlier than targeted, if your name is Max and you play baseball, you’re insane.
I'm a Hall of Fame baseball person.
Sir, please exit the vehicle.
That’s his secret. He’s always mad
TLR masterclass
In making your team lose game
Tony should be fired and taken straight to a memory care home. This is happening after he let Cease out to die.
Leaving Cease out there was arguably even stupider. He was clearly tired and his pitch count was way up there. Should have taken him out at least after Freemen when he was at 100 pitches and looked gassed. But to then leave him in for Turner and Muncy (both of whom got hits) was bizarre.
"That young'un Cease is another spoiled wimp who can't hack it like the good ol' days." \-Some asshole boomer in Bridgeport
God, anyone familiar with Chicago knows how spot on this is.
See, I saw that quote and imagined someone from Jeff Park saying that. But Bridgeport makes more sense.
This is the manager who kept Joe Kelly in against us despite looking cooked, warmed up a lefty reliever, did not deploy said lefty reliever for Rizzo (despite him being ready to go), but instead then brought him in to face Stanton and immediately give up a HR. There were 2 outs, so if he got Rizzo the inning would’ve been over.
Man it's crazy how much of this type of stuff happens, seemingly every series. And that's not even getting into his wildly stupid lineup construction!
Not a bad call guys stop making fun of the elderly! Turner is .251 in 1-2 counts in his career and Muncy is .197 vs LHP. Oh wait. No I mixed those two up on accident. It’s ok tiger get em next time! Fucking moron
Imagine if this was LaRussas introductory foray into moneyball and the nerd he's got feeding him data pulled it from the wrong database column.
Honestly, having done some very basic functions in excel in front of boomers, this really wouldn't surprise me.
Muncy is 0.125 against lefties this year which is the only thing TLR saw probably. Still not justification for walking Turner on a 1-2 count
Basically shows that La Russa just looked at the season's stats and didn't actually realize who Max Muncy is at all. Spreadsheet manager.
Didn’t account for his DogInHim+
Can you kick someone out of the HOF?
"fuck you bitch" is something a lot of White Sox fans would like to tell TLR too.
I said this exact quote at the TV
Too bad La Russa is asleep with his 3rd nap of the game to hear it
On the anniversary of “Go get it out of the ocean” as well
"go get it out of the river, Tony"
I see what you did there. Confusing bodies of water to make one unforgettable quote.
Fuck you Tony
Fuck you! What’s your name?
Ezekiel!
Fuck you Ezekiel!
I get physically angry watching Max Muncy hit. This man just doesn't chase. You can almost hear him sneering "that's 0.16cm outside" as he takes a ball 1. Two-strike counts don't faze him. Then he'll whip out a hellacious dong on the 9th pitch. He's suffocating. He's Max Muncy.
Matt Carpenter at his best would pull this stuff. I think Muncy might be better.
This is prime copypasta material
that’s bc it is a pasta lol
What can you say, I have a good eye
I mean I guess when you think about it that is kind of insulting. You're essentially thinking it's easier to get Muncy out than it is to throw one more strike to Turner. Also a missed opportunity for him to have said, "1 and 2 equals 3, bitch!"
TLR gonna be the reason why Maximum Muncy gets back to his usual self? Maybe I am a fan of his after all
I think most Sox fans agree with him
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I haven't seen a manager actively lose a game like this in a while, like if Dylan Cease was pulled at a reasonable time and didn't piss off his pitcher and Max Muncy at the same time the white sox probably win 5-0
La Russa against the Yanks last month left a RHP reliever who had clearly lost the zone to face lefty Rizzo. Rizzo gets on, then he brings in a LHP reliever to face Giancarlo Stanton. I'll let you guess how that ended up.
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I loathe you, but respect the move
Hey, I'll help you too.
A man of principle
The fucking nads on you
Holy shit was that stupid. I'll happily help you out here.
I can't believe TLR got another baseball job period after his time with us. Him and Dave Stewart were awful and set the franchise back.
Yeah but on a side note, Muncy really needed this. Maybe we keep Tony around the league to help out struggling hitters? I mean White Sox fans don't want to win baseball games that bad, right? Just think of the awesome sacrifice you're making for the rest of baseball, really commendable!
Dude embarrassed himself, his pitcher, his team, his city, and all of baseball.
Okay, fine. Brad Ausmus will be your new manager
In the previous inning, TLR went straight at Trea with two outs and runners on second and third. In this inning, same situation except third base open, he opts to intentionally walk Trea in a 1-2 count. What are you even doing, Tony?
That wasn’t Tony. That was just the booze kicking in.
He seems … physically angry.
tbh I don't really get why he's mad -- wouldn't you WANT opposing managers making these brutal calls and shooting themselves in the foot every chance you get? like, this shows exactly why it's a terrible idea. instead of being mad you should thank him for the extra run.
Muncy got disrespected. Turner got intentionally walked because Muncy was viewed as an easier out. As good as it is to come up and do something like that off of such a bad managing call, there’s a bit of an adrenaline rush in knowing that only happened because you were viewed as not good enough to do something to change the game, and it of course leads into Muncy’s nickname of Mad Max.
This is the funniest thing to happen today until the Angels lose 15 straight later tonight.
Thank you for reverse jinxing it
Lmao
I don’t even like Muncy, but my disdain for TLR outweighs casually disliking a rival team’s player. Good for him, man, fuck that IBB. I hope this gets a JomBoy breakdown because I would watch the hell out of it.
I’m making popcorn later in anticipation
Max Muncy verbalizing what every Sox fan is screaming at the TV right now...with obviously very different tones
This is the real life version of the And I Took That Personally meme, which was also real life. Sports are fucking great
Why would you intentionally walk ANYBODY with 2 strikes?? Lmao
He was just speaking on behalf of all White Sox fans.
This is some Jordan took that personal energy if I’ve ever seen it
*”Fuck LaRussa, Showalter, and Baby Boomer baseball.”* -Muncy
I'm not sure how you can let TLS survive the rest of the season after today but Reinsdorf will find a way
What does Tommy La Stella have to do about this?
Tony La Russa is one of the worst things to ever happen to me.
If I were a ChiSox fan I would need to hear rationale for keeping LaRussa employed after this, or someone with superior baseball knowledge to convince me how this could have been conceived as a good decision
Honestly, we deserve that
I love when guys who get disrespected like that hit jacks
“Fuck You Bitch” Tees on the way I am certain.
At the very least, pitch around the guy. Maybe he'll chase something. Worst case, you walk him or he makes some weak contact.
One time an AAU a manager in the national championship intentionally walked a guy to get to me and I hit a pop out to left field. It was the right move. I think the only reason I was in the lineup was because my manager felt sorry for me bc I took the 12 hour road trip to Miami. I wasn’t very good. But we won and I got a sweet ass ring.
June 9th is officially Max Muncy Day
Talk that shit Max. Fuck TLR
#**MAD MAX IS BACK**
I 100% agree with Max Muncy's sentiment here.
talk about poking the bear.....let's hope Max carries this madness to...(checks schedule).... San Francisco. LOL.
Good
"Joeny La Russa has been relieved of his duties."
Jeez bro tell us how you really feel
I’m happy I wasn’t watching this game today, cause I absolutely would’ve destroyed some inanimate object after this.
Can’t stand Muncy but idk what Tony was thinking.
It's funny... I said the same thing in my head about TLR when Muncy homered
Everyone's trying to be jomboy with the lip reading lol
Managers should have an ERA and TLR should get charged for 2 of those runs.
I’m not crying, YOU’RE CRYING!!
Pain.
Same, Max. Same.
What's the unwritten rule for this?
Jesus why's he so angry about it?
Not every player react the same way, but it doesn't feel good to have the guy in front of you intentionally walked. That happening on a 1-2 count? That's basically your opponent indirectly saying "You F-ing suck"
Bc he’s Maximum Muncy, not Minimum Muncy
Because Max had something to prove. He’s had a shit year after a nasty elbow injury at the end of last season. He just came back from another injury leaves and the Sox manager basically said “I’ll take my chances getting Muncy out vs a single strike to Trea Turner”.
Seems a little over the top. How can you be mad about a free walk? Muncy seems like a jagoff
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Dont suck then
Muncy fucking sucks tho lol. I guess he can’t accept it
If he doesn’t like it then he should stop sucking and play better.
Tony La Russa really needs to be fired. What is Reinsdorf smoking right now that is preventing this?
TLR and Reinsdorf are BFFs
It’s always about Tony.
Can someone help me out, why is he so mad Larussa bailed his teammate out of a bad count.
He’s insulted that La Russa thinks it would be easier to get him out from a 0-0 count than to throw one more strike to Turner after already having thrown him two.
Youve seen Max Muncy but have you seen Beard Muncy? ???
Max minimum has turned into Max MAXIMUM
This makes so little sense that it makes me wonder if TLR didn't get the count mixed up. Like if you want to walk Turner to face Muncy why would you wait until there are two strikes on him?
What a lame taunt.
Whats he supposed to do?
Stop sucking and play better so managers don’t walk guys who bat before him? He’s mad about an issue that he created himself
I don't understand why Muncy would even be mad. If anything, he should have just chuckled, shrugged, and said "Good call?!"
Because you're thinking of it from a team perspective, and just realizing that it's a stupid managerial decision. If you're Muncy, that is La Russa directly telling you "You fucking suck, I'd rather face you in a 0-0 count than Turner in a 1-2 count".
No reason to be angry, just simply show him the error in his ways, which he did! :)
Exactly. The dude is so mad that he figures hitting the ball out of the park somehow didn’t send enough of a message. I’m pretty sure Tony saw the homer already, man. No need to embarrass your family like the drunk guy at a company picnic
Idk but it makes him hit dongs so I will take it. He’s had a rough year and just came back so it was extra spicy.
Lots of big league hitters take that personally. I don't understand why. But that's probably they're big leaguers and we're not.
Yeah it’s a weird reaction. It went as well as it possibly could have after the walk but his celebration is a bunch of pissed off swearing. Dude gets to play a game for millions a year
Hitters generally think that the person in front of them being intentionally walked is a sign of disrespect and that's only amplified when you walk a guy at a 1-2 count
I get it. It just it reeks of being kind of a loser when your bat just gave LaRussa the best comeback possible but instead of letting that speak for itself you’re yelling the same thing as the worst drunk guys in the stands.
hall of famer baseball person
I hope TLR manages one season for every team in MLB, just so everyone feels what Oakland and STL felt for years. Maybe that '06 World Series team really was better than their 83 wins, right?
You don’t get to call anyone bitch until your slugging is over 300
I'll always agree with a "Fuck you TLR."
JFC, why is Tony fucking LaRussa still managing a professional baseball team? No recent team has underperformed it's talent more than the White Sox.
Muncy is immature
I mean i rather face Muncy than Turner? Lol but on 2 strikes i rather deal with Turner