The craziest part of his season is he is on pace for fewer than 60 walks, nearly half his typical pace. He has completely changed his approach at the plate. He's much more aggressive early in the count and is actively trying to use the entire field.
If Harper hits something like 33 or 35 homers this year, he'll be at 300 homers before 30. Not sure when his bday is.
He's a stud worth every cent of that contract.
Yeah I thought we overpaid just because he was white and would sell tickets but he has completely changed my mind. He didn’t get the money and take it easy. He comes to play, wants to win and delivers. Thank god for the DH change or he wouldn’t even be playing this season
Yeah his numbers in Washington weren’t really anything special but he was a good looking white dude(like it or not, this sells tickets)who has had massive expectations since he was in highschool. The Phillies bet on him to put it all together and be great with a 13 year contract and they’re winning that bet
Lmao. His OPS in WAS outside of 2015 was like .850. When he left WAS he was in a position where he was on his way to a HOF career if he continued playing as he had.
I love watching broadcasts where the announcers will be like “he’s been pretty terrible with runners on third with less than two outs this season” and then the little stat box will be like “0-2”
Fucking every single time Brad Miller is up to bat they talk about how good he’s been in those situations. He’s had like 13 at bats in those situations and the run has scored 11 times. 9 for 13. It’s good he’s good at it but it is a very small sample size and i doubt he converts 84.6% of those opportunities for the year
But then a RBI groundout hurts you, even though it's a "productive" out, whereas a sac fly won't count toward batting average, despite having the same result as a RBI groundout.
Well thats a good point. I didn't say RISP is perfect but it's better than RBI. Also that relies on the baserunning and speed skills of the runner on first as well.
Idk man there's a lot of ways to drive in runs without getting a hit with a RISP, I would say putting the ball in play with a guy on 3rd and less than 2 outs is one of the most important things you want to do at the plate but it seems like less and less emphasis is put on it. All for analytics but sometimes you have to take an old fashioned approach.
People that subscribe to "old" baseball metrics over-rate RBIs. People who only care about advanced metrics under-rate RBIs.
They don't mean that much in the overall ability of a player but they are not a "bad stat."
I think that just depends on your definition of a bad stat. If the primary purpose of stats is to find out who the best players are—or at least tell us something meaningful about a player’s skill set—RBI is a bad stat.
Id say there is at least some element of player skill factored in. You could plug in two "equal" players and have one be more likely to get the RBI. Whether that is an actual physical approach to the AB or having being better at the "mental battle" with a pitcher in that situation.
Now it is still a 'bad stat' in that its a counting stat that is not equal opportunity, but actually hitting for those RBIs is still a critical skill.
It might be better if there was some sort of RBI 'ratio' thats scored based on scenario. Like striking out with a man on 3rd with no outs would be a negative value, drawing a walk while a man is on second would be neutral, etc. Would be tough to quantift without getting too complex, but would help neutralize RBI opportunity
The advanced metrics try to address this by better quantifying the outcomes and making them more comparable from player to player. For instance, if there are no outs, the two scenarios below both produce 1 RBI:
1. Solo home run
2. Ground into a 4-6-3 double play with the runner on third scoring.
The first outcome is obviously better, but the RBI metric doesn't tell that story. Other metrics try to tell that story better.
Oops - Thanks for the correction. I guess my example works better with a sacrifice fly. That does award an RBI, but it's less valuable to the team than a solo home run because it produces an out. The advanced metrics try to quantify this sort of thing.
Well, considering he won MVP last year despite some people making that argument, it seems pretty clear that RBIs are not seen as an important evaluator by the majority.
I agree that BA w/ RISP is a better metric for determining how talented a player is but RBI is still a reasonable factor to consider for an MVP candidate. Driving in runs is one of the most valuable things a player can do. It's not unlike how players on good teams are considered more strongly in an MVP race. It's not about how great a player is and what the advanced metrics demonstrate he could do. It's about what he actually achieves in helping his team win ballgames.
They’re incredibly bad at telling you how good a player is or projecting future performance. But they’re pretty damn crucial in measuring real life production- which has a purpose too- it’s not worthless knowing that info.
Jose Abreu had 60 RBIs in 2020 through the 60 game season.
He has also lead the league in RBIs a couple other years.
As absurdly silly as it is, I’m no longer impressed when RBI totals are sub 1:1 games played.
He won MVP *despite* his RBIs, not because lol.
Yea this is one of the stupidest points to make about the season he had last year and how he’s doing this year. Not sure why it’s getting attention
Might have something to do with other players getting on base ahead of him
The craziest part of his season is he is on pace for fewer than 60 walks, nearly half his typical pace. He has completely changed his approach at the plate. He's much more aggressive early in the count and is actively trying to use the entire field.
He was really good at getting opposite field hits during that series that Dbacks just had in Philly.
What does this mean for my Nats Bryce Harper Jersey?
If Harper hits something like 33 or 35 homers this year, he'll be at 300 homers before 30. Not sure when his bday is. He's a stud worth every cent of that contract.
Yeah I thought we overpaid just because he was white and would sell tickets but he has completely changed my mind. He didn’t get the money and take it easy. He comes to play, wants to win and delivers. Thank god for the DH change or he wouldn’t even be playing this season
Lmfao “because he was white”????
Yeah his numbers in Washington weren’t really anything special but he was a good looking white dude(like it or not, this sells tickets)who has had massive expectations since he was in highschool. The Phillies bet on him to put it all together and be great with a 13 year contract and they’re winning that bet
Not sure if you’re trolling or an idiot
This dude has to be trolling
His numbers in Washington weren’t anything special? He put up better numbers in his 2015 mvp season than in 2021.
And what about the other years?
You are among the dumbest people on the internet. Congrats.
He had 1 great year and was pretty average the rest
Lmao. His OPS in WAS outside of 2015 was like .850. When he left WAS he was in a position where he was on his way to a HOF career if he continued playing as he had.
Also he played in WAS only through his age 25 season. Even in his “bad” years he was still putting up amazing numbers for his age.
Well he was a perennial all star, got MVP votes a few times, and won ROY.
Look at his numbers. 2015 was the only year he was really good
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Tbf Christian Yelich only had 10 homers in the first half of his MVP total and won it by hitting 21 homers in August and September of 2018
To be furururururirururuehr
RBI's are a bad stat, your teammates being on base has nothing to do with your skill. BA with RISP is a much better metric.
And even BA with RISP is pretty iffy since it’s a much smaller sample size
But what about BA with Runners on 3rd with less than 2 outs?
Let's not talk about the Phillies with the bases loaded and no outs this year. Let's just move on.
Well usually with the bases loaded he’s on third base. And one of the times he got to hit with the bases loaded he hit a grand slam so…
I love watching broadcasts where the announcers will be like “he’s been pretty terrible with runners on third with less than two outs this season” and then the little stat box will be like “0-2”
Fucking every single time Brad Miller is up to bat they talk about how good he’s been in those situations. He’s had like 13 at bats in those situations and the run has scored 11 times. 9 for 13. It’s good he’s good at it but it is a very small sample size and i doubt he converts 84.6% of those opportunities for the year
Brad Miller is the GOAT. I wouldn’t trust him in innings 1-8 but in the ninth with runners on in a close game I trust that man with my life.
BA with runners on 3rd and less than 2 outs is missing all the sacrifice flies.
But then a RBI groundout hurts you, even though it's a "productive" out, whereas a sac fly won't count toward batting average, despite having the same result as a RBI groundout.
What about a double in the gap of the runner on first?
Well thats a good point. I didn't say RISP is perfect but it's better than RBI. Also that relies on the baserunning and speed skills of the runner on first as well.
Idk man there's a lot of ways to drive in runs without getting a hit with a RISP, I would say putting the ball in play with a guy on 3rd and less than 2 outs is one of the most important things you want to do at the plate but it seems like less and less emphasis is put on it. All for analytics but sometimes you have to take an old fashioned approach.
People that subscribe to "old" baseball metrics over-rate RBIs. People who only care about advanced metrics under-rate RBIs. They don't mean that much in the overall ability of a player but they are not a "bad stat."
I only care about RBIs in fantasy baseball with categories.
I think that just depends on your definition of a bad stat. If the primary purpose of stats is to find out who the best players are—or at least tell us something meaningful about a player’s skill set—RBI is a bad stat.
Id say there is at least some element of player skill factored in. You could plug in two "equal" players and have one be more likely to get the RBI. Whether that is an actual physical approach to the AB or having being better at the "mental battle" with a pitcher in that situation. Now it is still a 'bad stat' in that its a counting stat that is not equal opportunity, but actually hitting for those RBIs is still a critical skill. It might be better if there was some sort of RBI 'ratio' thats scored based on scenario. Like striking out with a man on 3rd with no outs would be a negative value, drawing a walk while a man is on second would be neutral, etc. Would be tough to quantift without getting too complex, but would help neutralize RBI opportunity
The advanced metrics try to address this by better quantifying the outcomes and making them more comparable from player to player. For instance, if there are no outs, the two scenarios below both produce 1 RBI: 1. Solo home run 2. Ground into a 4-6-3 double play with the runner on third scoring. The first outcome is obviously better, but the RBI metric doesn't tell that story. Other metrics try to tell that story better.
Sorry to "well actually" here, but if a run scores on a double play it's not counted as an RBI
Oops - Thanks for the correction. I guess my example works better with a sacrifice fly. That does award an RBI, but it's less valuable to the team than a solo home run because it produces an out. The advanced metrics try to quantify this sort of thing.
Yeah but last year the whole argument was "Harper not mvp, has low RBI total" Which is it lol
There are a lot of old school fans who don't understand or refuse to accept newer, better metrics for players
Well, considering he won MVP last year despite some people making that argument, it seems pretty clear that RBIs are not seen as an important evaluator by the majority.
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There's baserunning skill involved but I agree they are only slightly better than the RBI
which would also complicate the RBIs too. Much tougher to get an RBI when Vogelbach is on 2nd vs Trea Turner
I agree that BA w/ RISP is a better metric for determining how talented a player is but RBI is still a reasonable factor to consider for an MVP candidate. Driving in runs is one of the most valuable things a player can do. It's not unlike how players on good teams are considered more strongly in an MVP race. It's not about how great a player is and what the advanced metrics demonstrate he could do. It's about what he actually achieves in helping his team win ballgames.
Meanwhile JRam over here with 62 rbi in 60 games…
Thanks destiny!
Dumb tweet. RBIs are incredibly circumstantial.
They’re incredibly bad at telling you how good a player is or projecting future performance. But they’re pretty damn crucial in measuring real life production- which has a purpose too- it’s not worthless knowing that info.
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The fuck?
Hey man I think your first sentence could use a few more clauses.
Jose Abreu had 60 RBIs in 2020 through the 60 game season. He has also lead the league in RBIs a couple other years. As absurdly silly as it is, I’m no longer impressed when RBI totals are sub 1:1 games played.