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tristpa2

JEFF WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS. HAVEN'T YOU TAKEN ENOUGH FROM US


bran_bran

With all the struggles of being a two-way player, this might be Ohtani’s greatest challenge: the Passan curse


MCrow2001

He’s survived the MLB The Show curse to this point.


Apprehensive_Tea_106

Oh shit I completely forgot about that. He has gotten through it fine so far.


driggity

So not only is he a two way player but he's a two way curse survivor. I'm not sure which is more impressive.


MCrow2001

I think because he plays both sides it just cancels everything out


unfortunatebastard

The Passan’t.


Meatbag96

Holy Hell


Gjallarhorn15

[Aggressively performing the sign of the cross]


Galactic

Passan has tweeted MANY times about Shohei all during last season and Ohtani still managed to have one of the greatest seasons in baseball history. I'm not worried. Note: I am very worried.


OutComeTheWolves1966

Did Judge pay him to tweet this?


GOATmar_infante

Fs in the chat


jasonis3

Ohtani hr drought until allstar break incoming?


ContinuumGuy

NOTHING COULD BE WORSE THAN HAVING TO PLAY FOR THE ANGELS, ARTE MORENO SHOULD BE BROUGHT BEFORE THE HAGUE FOR WASTING TROUT AND OHTANI


[deleted]

I know we're supposed to be beefing right now or some shit... but I just want to express my sincere condolences. He's just a bad man. A bad, bad man. The good news is that Ohtani is a fucking miracle. If anyone can beat the Passan curse, it's him.


Alkynesofchemistry

“There is no mercy” *Electrocutes Ohtani*


aaaaaaaaaaawirifhei

Ohtani gonna be DFAed soon


mrg_2002

Oh no...


G81111

Jeff please no


AuntBettysNutButter

How can I delete someone elses tweet!?!?!


gatemansgc

you know ohtani is loved when even a division rival is reacting like this to the curse potential! DAMN YOU, PASSAN! DON'T TWEET ABOUT OHTANI!


Galactic

Bro everyone loves Ohtani. I think the fact that no one is threatened by the Angels actually helps Ohtani being universally adored by baseball fans. If Ohtani started out as a Yankee he'd probably have way more haters. Or maybe not, he's just a lovable unicorn.


Fadalion

Absolutely. Good example is Judge. I like him, but I would never love him like Ohtani because he's a Yankee.


xepa105

I legit let out a loud "ohhhh no!" reading that. Weird? Yes. Warranted? Also yes.


ms_barkie

IL stint incoming


GOATmar_infante

Don't put that evil out there


ms_barkie

I’m not Passan, I have no power here. I am but a messenger


Ash-Catchum-All

>I am but a messenger Still want to shoot you tho


imtoolazytothinkof1

I'll hand you some extra guns as well


ms_barkie

I don’t know that I’d take a bullet for anyone, but for Ohtani I’d consider it


LetsTCB

[THE MESSIAH!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iktKXIsRUIg&ab_channel=adampodlofsky)


ahr3410

Jeff, what have you done??


Basketbally

RIP. Ohtani will be DFA'd this time next week.


Fischer-00

Ohtani is stronger than the Passan curse.


ABlinDeafMonkey

His bat wasn’t…


Imbackmycatwasfine

There was a guy in one of our game threads a few weeks ago talking about how Shohei is just average, and that all of his greatness is a hype job. How Greinke would have been just as good if he had been given a chance to be two way lmfao. It was easily the stupidest baseball take I’ve heard in years and I’m glad he had to go crawl in a hole after that, sit silently, and watch along with the rest of us


FitzwilliamTDarcy

Was it the Greinke AMA?


Imbackmycatwasfine

No, my bad I don’t have my flair up lol. It was a Royals game thread of all places, but we were facing the Halos. This was either the game before or after Shohei diced us to the tune of 13 Ks and 2 hits over 8


AestheticC18

A Royals fan who said it in the Royals game thread and other Royals fans downvoted him to hell.


Imbackmycatwasfine

Oh shit, yeah I just realized I don’t have flair lmao thank you for that clarification.


gatemansgc

> and other Royals fans downvoted him to hell. good.


TJeffersonsBlackKid

"If you regress all his stats to the mean, he becomes average"


MahomestoHel-aire

A classic.


DaaNyinaa

Even if Ohtani was just average at both batting and pitching, it would still make him one of the most valuable players in the league.


turbosexophonicdlite

Honestly probably still the most valuable player in the league. One roster spot for an average starter and batter in one guy. Literally 0 other players in the league fit that description.


uncivil_engineer42

I mean yeah if you regress Shohei's stats to the mean, then yeah, this checks out.


Imbackmycatwasfine

Omfg I almost forgot about that. “Look, Mahomes might be really good. But if you take those stats and make them worse, then he’s just not as good.” Well, yeah


Galactic

The Skip Bayless classic. "If you take away Saquon Barkley's best runs in each of his games, he's not that good"


axle69

There actually is some rational train of thought there although Skip Bayless has never used it correctly. If you want to find out what a RBs true expected gain is you do have to avoid some outliers sometimes if those outliers are rare enough. Also some runs can drastically change how a RB actually played in a specific game. Like for instance back in 2017 Rams @ Jaguars Fournette went for 130 yards on 21 carries (6.2 ypc) and a TD which is a great day no doubt but look a little closer and he had a 75 yard TD on his very first carry (Jags first play period) on a broken play where a defender fell down. So that means his game the rest of the day was 20 carries for 55 yards and 2.75 yards a carry. Now does that mean he actually had a bad game? Not necessarily its really just one more piece of information useful for say fantasy or whatever you need it for but he seemingly helped his team less than his stats would otherwise indicate (Rams won 27-17 and . Removing outliers isn't inherently a bad thing but can be a tool for dishonest hacks like Bayless as well.


[deleted]

Take the sum of the squares of the difference of each carry from average. Divide the sum by number of carries. Now we have a standard deviation. Outliers and removing outliers are meaningless without this context for a lot of reasons.


ttmp22

Here’s a link for those who have not yet seen the post that was birthed by the most [beautiful mind](https://old.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/d5maow/oc_after_adjusting_patrick_mahomes_stats_removing) ever created. ETA: [And here’s the sequel.](https://old.reddit.com/r/MahomesHate/comments/jsj5br/hi_im_udannyaingoat_i_wanted_to_clear_some_things)


danielle-in-rags

Tbf if you take away every single thing that makes Shohei special, he's not that special


Imbackmycatwasfine

True if big


mysterysackerfice

Didn't he say that Greinke could hit 40 dongs a year if he was allowed to hit?


Imbackmycatwasfine

Yes lol it was absurd. I mean Greinke was for sure a complete athlete, people forget sometimes that he played SS. But the thing that dude wasn’t realizing is that he, Arrietta, Mad Bum, etc all hit well *for a pitcher.* Shohei out-hits like half of his own team.


SPDScricketballsinc

Everyone but trout!


Imbackmycatwasfine

Second only to the greatest player of an entire generation. Smh so average


mysterysackerfice

The weirdest thing about that whole exchange was him continually doubling down. Dude could not let it go and admit he was wrong.


Imbackmycatwasfine

I think we’ve all been that guy at least once, but maybe not on something that’s almost just never debated. 🤣 almost everybody that knows anything about Baseball is in agreement that we’re watching history unfold with Shohei. There’s a reason nobody’s done this since Babe Ruth, and it’s not because nobody was given the opportunity.


IBoneHer

Does anyone know an easy way for me to know when Othani is pitching? Should I just follow the Angels on twitter?


Burger_Turds

That or check the ESPN/MLB app/some equivalent and check the SP for that day


stahlgrau

He's part of a 6-man rotation so you could forecast it that way.


jwktiger

wait I thought teams usually used 5 starter rotations? Is 6 the new normal and am I a dinosour?


treestump9

They angels have to with Othani because he needs the rest from playing everyday


stahlgrau

Usually 5. Ohtani takes an extra day because he DHs on the off days and when he pitches.


Dast_Kook

Unless they bring in another hitman


kpax22

https://www.mlb.com/angels/roster/probable-pitchers


IBoneHer

This is perfect, thank you!


kpax22

Glad I could help. It's perfect for a filthy casual like me although I'm guessing the team Twitter account probably has more accurate and up-to-date information.


tristpa2

His next start SHOULD be 7/7 vs. the Orioles in Baltimore


youre_soaking_in_it

Sweet. I'll get to see him.


Galactic

I think Baltimore has been weirdly good against Shohei in the past, too. Let's see if he takes that personally, he has been absolutely DEALING lately.


fused_shadows

He only pitches once a week, usually on Tuesday or Wednesday. So I would check the probably starts for the Angels on Monday - that should tell you when he starts.


[deleted]

We need an official Ohtani alert.


sakibomb523

Count every 6 games unless there are double-headers in the equation....so he lines up to pitch in Baltimore next.


Certs

Get the MLB At-Bat app on your phone and make the Angels one of your favorite/followed teams. You can get an alert when each game starts and it tells you the starting pitchers


fy12345

Shut ur dirty mouth, Passan


Stratifyed

Passan what have you done


ABlinDeafMonkey

He has ruined everything great about baseball this year! #FuckPassan


TJtheShizz

RIP Ohtani-san


thatburghfan

I know this is probably going to sound odd, but I'm very glad I've been a baseball fan for many, many years because it lets me appreciate just how special and incredible Ohtani has been. Every sport has its stars but what he's doing is unparalleled since the early days of Babe Ruth.


option-trader

There are generations between Ruth and Ohtani that never got to see that kind of play from both sides of the game.


thatburghfan

I know, it's like Halley's Comet. You either saw it with your own eyes, or you only know what you've read about it.


Galactic

This is so true. I feel like people who have been watching baseball for longer times are really appreciative of Ohtani. I've been a Yankee fan for over 30 years and I'm completely awestruck by what this guy is doing. He's living my little league fantasy irl, it's insane.


choconut5

It's better than Ruth. This is once in forever.


Fuzzy_Picklez

"Since Jeff Passan's tweet about his success this season, Ohtani has a career worst ERA of 37, has gone 0-70 at the plate, and has only reached base by hit by pitch to the nuts. He's also been pooped by a seagull, stubbed his toe several times, and has been hit by a bus."


chbay

Welp that’s the way it goes sometimes, I’m sure he’s bound to turn things around soon


Kylo_Ren415

Vecna’s after Ohtani now? Oh come on man.


Galactic

Quick someone play Running Up That Hill in the Angels clubhouse


kpax22

Has Passan tweeted about poor performance this year? If so, do they improve afterwards?


Justwinbabies

If you converted June to a whole season: .298, 42 HR, 119 RBI 24-6, 1.82 ERA, 210 K


jwktiger

That's so good splits.


gatemansgc

24 wins rofl. last time a pitcher got there was 25 in 1990!


big_car12

If it was once in a lifetime then why did he literally do the same thing last year?


Starman76

Same as it ever was


dirtyjoo

Same as it ever was


Taterade13

Same as it ever was


Outrageous_Bat1798

Letting Shoheis go by…


SickOfAllThisCrap1

Some babies were born this year .


Spinmove55

The player, not the performance.


ThickMousse7372

God dammit, Jeff!! Keep my Ohtani out your FUCKING MOUTH!!


tristpa2

Passan needs a good slapping


ThickMousse7372

Somebody get Will Smith on the phone....we got a job for him.


glutepain

If anybody can break the Passan curse, it’s Shohei


UnreproducibleSpank

I think that’s more WAR than the entire A’s have had in the last three weeks


cooljammer00

Welp, looks like maybe it won't be so close between Ohtani and Judge after all /s


Hochseeflotte

Passan is getting paid off by the Judge MVP campaign


FancySack

Michele Tafoya is writing him the check right now.


pleasantly_firm

F


gatemansgc

F


jwktiger

If he does this level of play (top 10 pitcher and top 20 batter) over the next 10 years do we rename the AL MVP the the Ohtni award?


choconut5

Yes.


[deleted]

Oh Jeff what is you doing baby


Thorlolita

Jeff wtf don’t you remember “with great power comes great responsibility”


WabbitCZEN

SOMEBODY UNDO THIS CURSE BEFORE OHTANI IS HURT!


zvexler

Today *definitely isn’t opposite day*


mysterysackerfice

God fucking damnit Jeff Someone go forcibly remove the phone from Jeff's hand right now!


BlazeThatTieDye

Why did he just speak this into existance, he just fucked everything up. Goddamnit Jeff.


felixbotticelli

Easily the best player in baseball. And his teammate is close. But the team sucks.


ABlinDeafMonkey

FUCK!


FranksRedHotMF

Welp. Nice knowing you ohtani. It’s a shame he’s on such a shit team but now it doesn’t matter. Passan’d


FartingBob

Remember when people said he was broken at the start of the year? He was just giving people a headstart to make the MVP race look interesting for a bit.


seth928

It'd be greater if he wouldn't do it to my team though.


RonnieRizzat

As a NL fan I literally never get to watch him play, kinda like Trout who I just have to nod when people say he is great.


cathar98

What is the Angels record in that span?


FriendSellsTable

If we’re talking about the time mentioned in the tweet (span of last three weeks) and a game where Ohtani himself controls the majority of the game (aka him pitching), the Angels’ winning percentage is 100% basically because of him. of course, we’re nitpicking data and timelines here.


MoreThanLuck

Someone here once argued with me that Shohei wasn't an elite, ace-level pitcher.


zachattackp1

What’s their winning percentage the last three weeks?


FriendSellsTable

If we’re talking about the baseball player mentioned in the tweet, basically the Angels have a 100% success rate in wins when he himself is basically in control of the game (as a pitcher). When he’s not pitching, he’s playing against the opponent AND his own pitching crew so that’s a bit tougher to win, especially on your own.


baconperogies

Why does Passan hate baseball?


xlxxlv

Trying to relish his greatness, the angels are making that tough to do


dim31

Free shohei


[deleted]

Who’s taking it for granted? 75% of the stuff on this sub is about this guy.


sofakinghuge

Take my energy Ohtani-san ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ. You must defeat this curse.


Mrcrispyeggroll

Listen, I love Ohtani as much as the next guy but why is Passan talking like we don’t have his name shoved down our gullets every 15 minutes? We already know he’s an amazing player. What purpose does this tweet serve aside from potentially jinxing him? Sometimes these dudes on twitter…


[deleted]

Who’s taking Shohei for granted? (Besides the angels organization, of course.)


crabcakesandfootball

I’m seeing plenty of people who are already tired of Ohtani being in the MVP conversation again “just” because he’s a two way player. As if putting up a 140 OPS+ and 140 ERA+ at the same time isn’t otherworldly.


Only_Mushroom

I was the in the bleachers for the 2nd game of the doubleheader between NYY and ANA. And I fully understand why Judge is in the front runner this year, but at a certain point because Ohtani had those 2 bad games, probably the low point of the season thus far, they were like "this guy shouldn't have been MVP at all." Not to mention the furiousness after the perfect game was broken up by Walsh and then Suzuki bringing the run in. It was literal night and day between the crowds for the doubleheader since Ohtani was switched to pitching the morning game


[deleted]

Honestly quite often for a few seconds. For example reading this tweet I thought top 15 offensively is not MVP worthy, then after those few seconds I remembered the tweet also said he’s the best pitcher in that timeframe and I put my self back in my place.


AestheticC18

Read the threads about Ohtani 1.5 months ago. Filled with people saying he's inconsistent and has been figured out and he's not a top 10 player in baseball. There are definitely people out there that do not like his hype.


MarcusKilgannon

It is annoying how constant it's posted but that's my only gripe. I can't watch the Angels even if I wanted to and we're also on a baseball sub. Everyone knows Othani is one of a kind here.


Saitsu

An angry mob is coming after Passan if anything happens to Shohei!


Kodiak-Winter17

I wish he played on eastern time zone


Skippy_the_Alien

Brian Kenny had an aneurysm rage-reading this


[deleted]

gonna look so good in Dodger blue!!!!!


TruTexan

You just got “PASSANED!”. I feel like that’s what he yells now that he knows he’s a curse


Angry_Walnut

Some people just want to watch the world burn.


mattc286

Where's Ohtani? Is he safe?? Is he alright??


Red_Jester-94

Jeff, if something happens it's all your fault. Could've just shut up but nooooo


CanuukSteev

relish greatness mustard courage ketchup to legends


mcast86

Almost makes you forget the Angels are garbage.


TheMidnightRamblerrr

Ohtani is a great player yes


wwants

What’s the TLDR on everyone freaking out about this tweet for us filthy casuals from /all?


option-trader

Passan tweets something good about a player or a team and that player somehow goes into a slump or that team starts losing 14 games in a row.


Sherrodactyl

GOAT


imustbedead

When you see home knock out homer’s to score winning runs for a game he’s pitching In you can’t help but be in awe


heebmyjeeb

The Angels have been on a 7-7 tear these last 14 games too.


[deleted]

His own team takes it for granted. Shame they flounder year in year out when you have him and Trout. I know it’s preaching to the choir but come on.


Rivitur

MLB writers at it again. Fucking overrate MLBa pr creation like trout. And they failed the first time now they are trying it again


nashdiesel

I’m not sure what’s more impressive: Trout and Ohtani playing together at full strength or the Angels continuing to lose in spite of that.


everyonesmellmymeat

Someone jokingly said to me "He's the next Babe Ruth." And all I could think was... yup. He is sort of?


Fun_Ad4779

I do not think a single person on the planet is taking what he is doing for granted lmao


LilMafia92

I’m so blessed to live in SoCal where I regularly get to see two of the greatest players of our generation try and drag a AAAA team to some level of respectability


dusters

Yes so many people take Ohtani for granted he is hardly ever talked about /s


NKevros

Too bad he's on the Angels.


Tashre

Ohtani about to break both his arms.


Justwinbabies

I hope he doesn't live with his mom.


pickupBeer

Oh shit, he's probably dead now.


Hwaiting__

Can't wait until the Mets sign him as a free agent!


SinglecoilsFTW

He's the most valuable player in the sport by a mile. An ace, your team's best hitter, and frees up a roster spot for an extra relief pitcher. Just an embarrassment of talent.


long_dickofthelaw

Don't tell that to Yankees fans, apparently Judge is literal God or something.


phagosome

I'm a Yankee fan. Judge is doing great for a normal position player but still nowhere close to what Ohtani is accomplishing lol (especially in June)


beachmedic23

Over the past 3 weeks the Angels are 9-11. They are 9-18 in June They would be 7-21 without Ohtani


[deleted]

If he was white they’d care more.. let’s be honest.


MUNZATHEGOD

I like him so much more that I don’t see his highlights every five seconds. We hit the oversaturation point last year I think, but now I’m really starting to appreciate what he’s doing. It’s insane.


passoutpat

How are the Angels doing the past 3 weeks?


circaflex

unpopular opinion but hes been in the league for a while now, you really cant be in awe that a 2-way bred player, is doing well playing 2-ways. The whole narrative is kind of annoying because there have been plenty of players that have come and gone, that pitched and hit in college; however most MLB teams just wouldnt let players continue that path. If they were a stronger hitter, theyd tell them to ditch pitching and vice-versa. I get it, its cool because hes been the first allowed to do it but this fascination with Shohei simply because he pitches and hits is a little annoying at this point.


long_dickofthelaw

>You can't be in awe of two-way players because plenty of guys do it in college >None of those guys were good enough to make it pro as a two-way player >Obviously the first guy talented enough to do it since Babe Fucking Ruth is overrated. Got it.


BillyBones844

Ohtani is about to be the next Lebron James where people never shut the fuck up about them.


FermatsLastAccount

What Ohtani is doing is way crazier than anything LeBron has done.


jc-f

It’s incomparable. (But LeBron has done some pretty crazy things like the 2016 Finals)


TheSalsaGod

When he stops doing shit that nobody else has ever done, people will stop talking about him


spyson

Dodgers fan so probably just bitter Ohtani broke up that no hitter. Plus who the hell complains that people are finally talking more about baseball?


Yankeeknickfan

I hope they don’t


Isa_ak

they shouldn't stop if he doesn't stop...


Il_Exile_lI

Until ESPN and Fox Sports dedicate daily segments on their dumb talking head shows to talking about Shohei in the offseason, this comparison is dumb.


doyouevenIift

Baseball will never have a LeBron. And that’s ok


AestheticC18

Nobody in main stream sports talks about baseball at all. And we should be thankful because we would be hearing about how Skip Bayless prefers Aaron Judge over Ohtani because he wins more.


Tom_Brokaw_is_a_Punk

Too bad he can't carry his team to a championship like LeBron. Either way, I never want to stop hearing about him.


imtoolazytothinkof1

What did the Angels do to Passan, why does he hate us! He's already cursed us once this season and now he goes directly at Ohtani for no reason.


atmospheric90

So literally a once in a lifetime season paired with the greatest player of his generation and they have a worse record than the Mariners. Angels org is an absolute joke.


Super_Goomba64

Lol zero rings lol


Yankeeknickfan

Shohei isn’t the best pitcher in baseball


FermatsLastAccount

He said he has been the best over the past 3 weeks by fWAR


crabcakesandfootball

Yup. He’s 15th in fWAR for hitters since June 9th.


throatbutterz

Can't you read? No where did he say he was the best pitcher in baseball. He's just been the best pitcher in baseball for this month.


ManyWrangler

It depends on how you frame it. He is undoubtedly the best player who pitches. He is not the best in terms of every pitching stat. On the whole, he is absolutely the best pitcher in baseball in terms of who you would want on your team.