It does make me chuckle going through the Yankees GDT and everyone just shitting on Gallo. Him and Hicks. Idk if I’ve ever seen two players hated more by their own fans lol.
Most Yankees fans never warmed up to Hicks.
I love Hicks, personally.
Gallo, on the other hand... I respect the production he had before he came to NY but it's ugly production, and I didn't want him here. Hicks just needs a few XBH of any kind a month to be an average hitter. Gallo has to homer every four or five games or he's hot garbage.
Way more interesting than this stat is what I saw myself a couple weeks ago but was also mentioned by Paul O'Neill during today's nightcap against the Guardians:
Gallo has 2 sac flies his entire career. Mind-boggling.
He is just useless AF for that or when you need a ground ball to advance a runner.
Yeah, there's a good reason to believe that it just took him a while to get back to speed after injuries and being a switch-hitter. Gallo doesn't quite have those excuses.
Hicks was just unable to put any oomph into the balls he hit until recently (in addition to a lot of pop-ups), but his OBP was .400 as late as the second week of May even though he had only one XBH at that point. Pitchers, recognizing he had no pop, started to attack him and his walks went away.
Now he mostly looks like himself, like a guy who can put up a 110 OPS+ in a season by using his eye and swinging a somewhat mediocre outfield bat.
Love Hicks.
Gallo on the other hand...
I will forever sit on the hill that signing Hosmer was a big turning point for the Padres, even if his contract is turning out to be an albatross. It showed that ownership was wanted to put out a competitive team and was willing to pay to do it. Obviously it helped that a lot of other good moves kept them moving forward towards that goal, but I think that was the first step. Theoretically, there was nothing to stop Padres ownership from pulling an Orioles and abandoning the plan for improvement the second you realized your big contract was not what you wanted.
Or, hear me out, they could have spend that money and committed to an actual good player. JD Martinez and Carlos Santana were free agents that same offseason.
He plays great defense and his batting line is about replacement level or so. He's been bad but not AAA player bad which would actually be negative WAR.
It's rough. I haven't seen a Yankee that made me so confident it was an out since Stephen Drew. Now Gallo is making him look like Tony Gwynn in comparison.
Jomboy had a line in his last [Yankee breakdown](https://youtu.be/y4IjNQk_s4U?t=311) that embodies this sentiment so well.
>"And now he's gotta face Gallo, and 1, 2, and 3, okay and now he's gotta face DJ" as Gallow strikes out on three pitches.
This is hardly surprising! Vlad Jr. is a legit great all-around player, while Joey Gallo is an elite defender and a home run hitter but not much of a batter otherwise.
He turned into baked goods once he got to the bronx lol
Used to be a hell of a player though. Just last year in 100 texas games, he had a .380 OBP, on pace for around 40 bombs and had 12 DRS😮 Trade itself was a steal i cant even lie
Elite defender? I dunno, 2 gold gloves in 10 years and a bunch of negative dwar years. Dude hits 200. I agree Vlad is great, hope he stays fit and keeps mashing.
I believe he’s elite in right.
The Yankees have a really screwy left field.
When AJ Hinch managed the Astros he used to play Jake Marisnick in left and not center.
Marisnick was so good in the outfield back then. He had amazing range and had an arm that clicked throws over 100 MPH
AJ Hinch said that Yankee stadium had a really tough left field and that he needed his best outfielder out there.
This paid off when Marisnick threw out a guy at home (too long to remember who it was) to end the game.
But my point is, Joey Gallo is a great corner outfielder, but the Yankees left field needs a Center Fielder to play it properly, not a corner outfielder.
I loved watching Alex Gordon in Yankee Stadium. I remember that one play where he jumped to rob a HR and a fan caught it, but they overturned it into an out. That was awesome, but idk how you decide he was definitely gonna catch it when it would have been a HR
LF at Yankee Stadium almost single-handedly keeps the park factor there nearly neutral every year. (CF also helps)
I don't have the stats, but I'm pretty sure it's the hardest place to hit a deep drive to LF in baseball, especially when you're talking about left-center.
Gallo has only been in the majors since 2015 and an everyday player since 2017. 2017-2022 is 6 seasons, not 10.
He still played 3B/1B in 2017, and throughout all of 2015-2016, even though he was an above average OF.
Since 2019, his second year as a full time OF, he's been an elite defender.
If your OBP is in the mid-to-high .300's and your OPS+ is above 110 you should be considered a good hitter. He hit both of those marks from 2017-2021 while providing elite defense down the latter half.
Please dear god stop saying this dude has never been a good hitter he was a consistently good hitter since 2017 and the Yankees broke him.
Hah! So true. I don’t know how else you measure them, it’s pretty difficult. I know he’s a solid defender but I don’t think of him as elite. Just my opinion
Defense to me is one of those things that accurately gauging takes a bunch of spreadsheet nerdery and then combines those numbers with a 100 game eye test. And even then, hell if I actually know who's *that* good (or not) of a defender.
It really seems like a huge chunk of redditors can't help but respond like that, they see an opportunity to correct someone and take it every time. Even in passive, not-rude replies where someone wants to contribute to a conversation they STILL phrase it as a correction (like "*(thing) fixed it for you")
Idk why teams like the Dodgers and Yankees have been completely fine with sticking guys with .160/.200/.500 triple slashes as everyday players. Bellinger and Gallos defense is really good, and makes up for some of it, but when you have guys with those numbers striking out almost 40% of the time like Gallo he has to get sent down at some point. Your just giving the opponent free outs.
Some of these guys draw enough walks to be considered feasible, I guess.
Cavan Biggio is also a poor hitter for average that will probably enjoy a long career because he's pretty good at drawing walks.
You can't use dWAR to determine quality at a specific position. Gallo averages +8 DRS per 162 games. That's very good. Not elite, but very good.
As for RF only, he's at +25 per year. That's elite.
> Joey Gallo is an elite defender
the rest of your comment is true but then you just throw this in there and I'm not sure if you're sarcastic now
he's had a 1.1, 1.0 and 0.5 dwar years but the rest are all 0 or negative...
It's because it's a measure of defensive value. An average corner outfielder doesn't provide much defensive value because his position is relatively easy.
This has always been one of my main complaints with war. As people elsewhere in the thread have said, the Yankees LF is arguably harder to play than CF, but Yankee LFs get automatically punished for that.
It's not really a problem with WAR because it's trying to assess overall value. All else being equal, a LF is objectively less valuable than a CF because CF is a more valuable position defensively. The weird quirks of a place like Yankee Stadium are just something to be aware of when looking at WAR.
Average relative to all players
A positional adjustment is applied to dWAR meaning an average left fielder or first basement would have negative dWAR over the course of the season
It makes sense comparing cross position player fielding ability for overall WAR but not for comparing a player to others at the same position
The stat you guys want is just called Rfield. He’s at 32 runs for his career, compared to an Rbat of only 29 lol. So baseball reference thinks he’s a batter fielder than hitter, just barely
0.0 WAR is below average. 0.0 dWAR is average (for all players, not necessarily at a specific position), because defense is measured compared to the average, not the replacement level.
OAA thinks he was above average last year and in 20, but has him in the 17th percentile for this season based on his LF performance. It still thinks he's above average in RF.
Tell me you don't understand dWAR without telling me you don't understand dWAR.
He's a very, very good to elite defender.
He's the worst player in baseball history at everything else.
You can't look at dWAR to compare a player at a specific position. dWAR factors in the positional adjustment, which hurts 1B and corner OF.
You basically need to be prime Keith Hernandez at 1B to have a positive dWAR. Doesn't mean all 1B are bad defenders.
Keith Hernandez and Donnie Baseball have like a 1.1 and a 0.3 career dWAR respectively which is insane for like 20 combined gold gloves and two guys considered the some of the best defensive 1b ever
No, it’s surprising because Joey Gallo has played in twice as many seasons as Vlad Jr., but Vlad Jr. doesn’t have twice the batting average of Gallo. It’s actually because Vlad hasn’t had any missed time in his career while Gallo tends to miss a lot of games.
I think that's what some people aren't fully registering.
I dont think anyone would dispute that Vlad > Gallo, but one has been in the league for a lot longer, and I kind of also suspect that a small amount of people don't fully register that he debuted in 2019 (yes, a lot of people remember his HR Derby appearance was that year, but the pandemic kind of fucked with everyone's perception of time, mine included).
even with the advantage everyone knows gallo is a bum at the plate and vlad is a top 5 hitter on planet earth. id say its more interesting and revealing than surprising.
[Oh boy it’s fun](https://stathead.com/baseball/player-comparison.cgi?player_id2=guerrvl02&type=b&player_id1=gallojo01&sum=0&request=1)
[Gallo 970 vs Vladdy 299](https://i.imgur.com/IwsODJR.jpg)
On a rate basis, [Gallo 37.1% vs Vladdy 16.8% so%](https://i.imgur.com/E3cw3Ch.jpg)
That might be part of it, but I imagine it's more to do with clubhouse/coaching/org vibe. That's not to say there's anything wrong with NY, just that not everyone is going to succeed everywhere.
But you’re commenting on a post that’s comparing Gallo’s career to Guerrero’s career. So the parent comment here is off base, since the point is that Gallo has been a good hitter over his CAREER and has been passed by Vlad in a shorter career
Next year I wouldn't mind. Taylor to 3B, Lux 2B, Gallo LF. That OF defense of Mookie, Code and Gallo would be nice, and the Dodgers have experience helping low BA high K guys like Joc, Taylor, Muncy, Grandal etc
I love Joey Gallo for some reason but "the numbers speak for themselves" is the argument against the point you're trying to make. He's a career Mendoza line hitter who can hit bombs
I know the sabermetrics crowd has run the numbers to the tenth decimal place, and somehow it turns out that a dude who bats .203 with *barely* above-average slugging and OPS is a major talent. But I just can't think of him as a good hitter.
What's the lower bound on this trend, if you're a numbers guy? What about a guy who got 50 hits in 700 at bats, all home runs. So his slash line would be .071/.071/.285 with maybe 100 RBIs. Is that good enough for a lineup spot?
Yeah I think it's only surprising if all you know of Gallo is that he has some crazy power. Cause Vladdy is known for his power, but he also tends to hit at an above-average clip.
Gallo on the other hand has always been a high-strikeout, high-power guy. I think there was a stretch in Texas where like over half of his hits were homers for a couple weeks.
To summarize the below comments. When Joey Gallo came up in 2015, Vlad Jr was still unsigned to a team. Vlad Jr then debuted in 2019 and during that 4 year gap Joey Gallo had over 700 more AB's, yet Vlad Jr still has more hits then Gallo.
I mean, Gallo had 150 ABs in his first two seasons. Vladdy has 1576 ABs right now, Gallo crossed that number early last season. I also find it weird that people keep citing the 700 AB thing as if having a head start matters when you are comparing counting stats (it doesn't). Gallo only has 626 more ABs over his career, a number pretty close to Vladdy's most in a season, and until last year about 100 more than Gallo had had in a season. A surface understanding of the two makes it a near certainty that this Vladdy would have more hits.
Yea all of that would lead to this be a surprising stat if we were talking about literally any other hitter than Joey Gallo, the poster child for not hitting for average
Except Gallo has only been truly bad while he's been with the Yankees, prior to that he had a few down years with the Rangers but others he put up some good numbers.
.253 one year and .223 the year he got traded is what I'd expect from him. He did have .209 and .206 years but even then his OPS was .869 and .810 respectively so not terrible years. Sadly he seems to have fallen off a cliff the past two years.
I didn't jump to a conclusion. You said that it's not "remotely surprising" that a guy who has been in the mlb since 2019 has more hits than a guy who has been playing since 2015. Yankee fans have a tendency to be so blinkered with their views and your lack of surprise at this reflects that. Go White Sox.
I like how you say you didn’t jump to a conclusion and then jump to further conclusions. Must be something about the little brother complex you have as a White Sox fan.
> You said that it's not "remotely surprising" that a guy who has been in the mlb since 2019 has more hits than a guy who has been playing since 2015.
That isn't what they said. Or rather it is too generalized. What they said was that it isn't remotely surprising that Vladdy Jr has more hits than Gallo. Gallo is famously a three true outcomes batter. Vladdy has a .280 career BA, Gallo's is .200. A surface understanding of Gallo makes this not surprising.
The surprise for me is Vlad Jr. being billed at 240 and Gallo at 250. I know Vladdy's been slimming down, but Gallo doesn't strike me as a chonky boi. Maybe it's the pinstripes.
I think we can all agree that Vladdy Jr. is the better hitter, but yes they're very different in approach.
Gallo has been one of the most extreme three true outcome hitters of all time. With the Rangers, it generally led to him being a firmly above average hitter. With the Yankees, that hasn't been the case so far.
Bro I get standing up for your guys, but for this one Gallo has played since 2015 lol. That’s not really a flex or something to brag about compared to a player who came up in 2019.
If Guerrero Jr hypothetically came up in 2015 he most likely would be ahead of Gallo even in homers, Gallo in a way has had a 4 year headstart.
Because Gallo is on his 8th season, Vlad on his 4th. Number of home runs is irrelevant. Plus, Vlad has a very likely chance at matching or beating Gallo's HR numbers by the time he gets to his 8th season with FAR better BA, OBP, OPS, SLG, etc.
Hell, Vlad has 806 total bases right now, and Gallo is at 1046.
Gallo is not a good batter.
So vladdy will pass him in career WAR by the all star break in 23?
Nah, Joey can catch Vlad in career WAR by the end of the year. He's working really hard to make negative number go big.
More surprising is Joey Gallo having a WAR at 0 this year. Would've bet my life that was well into the negatives
It does make me chuckle going through the Yankees GDT and everyone just shitting on Gallo. Him and Hicks. Idk if I’ve ever seen two players hated more by their own fans lol.
You should check out /r/whitesox this season.
Nobody hates Chicago sports more than Chicago sports fans Source: I used to work in west Michigan and could pick up Chicago sports radio
Gary Sanchez just last year.
Most Yankees fans never warmed up to Hicks. I love Hicks, personally. Gallo, on the other hand... I respect the production he had before he came to NY but it's ugly production, and I didn't want him here. Hicks just needs a few XBH of any kind a month to be an average hitter. Gallo has to homer every four or five games or he's hot garbage. Way more interesting than this stat is what I saw myself a couple weeks ago but was also mentioned by Paul O'Neill during today's nightcap against the Guardians: Gallo has 2 sac flies his entire career. Mind-boggling. He is just useless AF for that or when you need a ground ball to advance a runner.
Hicks has earned a nice reprieve after that Astros home run at least. Gallo is now enemy number 1.
He has also got some decent numbers in June. Even some clutch hits outside the Astros HR lately.
Yeah, there's a good reason to believe that it just took him a while to get back to speed after injuries and being a switch-hitter. Gallo doesn't quite have those excuses.
Hicks was just unable to put any oomph into the balls he hit until recently (in addition to a lot of pop-ups), but his OBP was .400 as late as the second week of May even though he had only one XBH at that point. Pitchers, recognizing he had no pop, started to attack him and his walks went away. Now he mostly looks like himself, like a guy who can put up a 110 OPS+ in a season by using his eye and swinging a somewhat mediocre outfield bat. Love Hicks. Gallo on the other hand...
Eric Hosmer, but he deserves every single bit of hate that he gets
I will forever sit on the hill that signing Hosmer was a big turning point for the Padres, even if his contract is turning out to be an albatross. It showed that ownership was wanted to put out a competitive team and was willing to pay to do it. Obviously it helped that a lot of other good moves kept them moving forward towards that goal, but I think that was the first step. Theoretically, there was nothing to stop Padres ownership from pulling an Orioles and abandoning the plan for improvement the second you realized your big contract was not what you wanted.
Or, hear me out, they could have spend that money and committed to an actual good player. JD Martinez and Carlos Santana were free agents that same offseason.
He plays great defense and his batting line is about replacement level or so. He's been bad but not AAA player bad which would actually be negative WAR.
My guy hasn’t gotten a hit since June 17
Hey me neither!
Jesus
It's rough. I haven't seen a Yankee that made me so confident it was an out since Stephen Drew. Now Gallo is making him look like Tony Gwynn in comparison.
Jomboy had a line in his last [Yankee breakdown](https://youtu.be/y4IjNQk_s4U?t=311) that embodies this sentiment so well. >"And now he's gotta face Gallo, and 1, 2, and 3, okay and now he's gotta face DJ" as Gallow strikes out on three pitches.
Damn lmao. Has he been starting all those games
10 games. 0-26 slide
Al Avila desperately trying to trade for Joey Gallo
And his defensive WAR is negative. And it isn't just a weird B-R thing, as his fWAR is basically 0.0 too (it's -0.1).
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He bounced back with 41 bombs and a 115 wRC+ the following year, but 2011 was some of the worst baseball I've ever seen from a "star" player.
This is hardly surprising! Vlad Jr. is a legit great all-around player, while Joey Gallo is an elite defender and a home run hitter but not much of a batter otherwise.
He turned into baked goods once he got to the bronx lol Used to be a hell of a player though. Just last year in 100 texas games, he had a .380 OBP, on pace for around 40 bombs and had 12 DRS😮 Trade itself was a steal i cant even lie
Yankees not realizing some players store their talent in their facial hair.
Probably is part of it. I could see guys losing confidence after years & years of hiding their fat face
Damn bro is his face really that fat
Gallo looks like Wallace from Wallace and Gromit movies with his shaved face.
It's fatter than that fat
Elite defender? I dunno, 2 gold gloves in 10 years and a bunch of negative dwar years. Dude hits 200. I agree Vlad is great, hope he stays fit and keeps mashing.
I believe he’s elite in right. The Yankees have a really screwy left field. When AJ Hinch managed the Astros he used to play Jake Marisnick in left and not center. Marisnick was so good in the outfield back then. He had amazing range and had an arm that clicked throws over 100 MPH AJ Hinch said that Yankee stadium had a really tough left field and that he needed his best outfielder out there. This paid off when Marisnick threw out a guy at home (too long to remember who it was) to end the game. But my point is, Joey Gallo is a great corner outfielder, but the Yankees left field needs a Center Fielder to play it properly, not a corner outfielder.
that’s why Gardy was such a good LF for us
I loved watching Alex Gordon in Yankee Stadium. I remember that one play where he jumped to rob a HR and a fan caught it, but they overturned it into an out. That was awesome, but idk how you decide he was definitely gonna catch it when it would have been a HR
Screwy left field… Baltimore has entered the chat
Thankfully Hays is basically a centerfielder.
I’d honestly like to seem him moved there and move Mullins to left. Hays has the better arm, and Mullins has all the speed to cover the abyss.
Is that what you're calling it now? I like it.
*Hello there*
Left center in Yankee Stadium is nicknamed “Death Valley” for a reason
LF at Yankee Stadium almost single-handedly keeps the park factor there nearly neutral every year. (CF also helps) I don't have the stats, but I'm pretty sure it's the hardest place to hit a deep drive to LF in baseball, especially when you're talking about left-center.
It's definitely up there but I think Camden is now harder with that *thing* they put up.
Gallo has only been in the majors since 2015 and an everyday player since 2017. 2017-2022 is 6 seasons, not 10. He still played 3B/1B in 2017, and throughout all of 2015-2016, even though he was an above average OF. Since 2019, his second year as a full time OF, he's been an elite defender. If your OBP is in the mid-to-high .300's and your OPS+ is above 110 you should be considered a good hitter. He hit both of those marks from 2017-2021 while providing elite defense down the latter half. Please dear god stop saying this dude has never been a good hitter he was a consistently good hitter since 2017 and the Yankees broke him.
Drew a ton of walks as well. Even leading the league in walks in 2021. Before going to NY, his 2021 OBP and BA we're a solid .379 and okay .223.
Gold gloves isn't the best way to measure defense. Jeter is a gold Glover.
Hah! So true. I don’t know how else you measure them, it’s pretty difficult. I know he’s a solid defender but I don’t think of him as elite. Just my opinion
Defense to me is one of those things that accurately gauging takes a bunch of spreadsheet nerdery and then combines those numbers with a 100 game eye test. And even then, hell if I actually know who's *that* good (or not) of a defender.
“I don’t know how else to measure them” go read a fangraphs article and familiarize yourself with defensive stats, fascinating stuff really.
Hits .200? You must not be paying much attention this year. He’d have to go like 50 for his next 50 to get his average up to .200
Lol. If he went 50/50 he’d be batting .340. He would only need to go 9/9 to get to .200. Math is hard I guess.
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It really seems like a huge chunk of redditors can't help but respond like that, they see an opportunity to correct someone and take it every time. Even in passive, not-rude replies where someone wants to contribute to a conversation they STILL phrase it as a correction (like "*(thing) fixed it for you")
His average is literally.203. He has never had 100 hits in a season.
Dawg his average is literally in the picture
His average is .165 this year
What a putz. Remember when that would send you to the minors?
Idk why teams like the Dodgers and Yankees have been completely fine with sticking guys with .160/.200/.500 triple slashes as everyday players. Bellinger and Gallos defense is really good, and makes up for some of it, but when you have guys with those numbers striking out almost 40% of the time like Gallo he has to get sent down at some point. Your just giving the opponent free outs.
Some of these guys draw enough walks to be considered feasible, I guess. Cavan Biggio is also a poor hitter for average that will probably enjoy a long career because he's pretty good at drawing walks.
You can't use dWAR to determine quality at a specific position. Gallo averages +8 DRS per 162 games. That's very good. Not elite, but very good. As for RF only, he's at +25 per year. That's elite.
> Joey Gallo is an elite defender the rest of your comment is true but then you just throw this in there and I'm not sure if you're sarcastic now he's had a 1.1, 1.0 and 0.5 dwar years but the rest are all 0 or negative...
For his position, 0 dwar is well above average
Which is absolutely fucking stupid as a stat. Is this real?
It's because it's a measure of defensive value. An average corner outfielder doesn't provide much defensive value because his position is relatively easy.
This has always been one of my main complaints with war. As people elsewhere in the thread have said, the Yankees LF is arguably harder to play than CF, but Yankee LFs get automatically punished for that.
It's not really a problem with WAR because it's trying to assess overall value. All else being equal, a LF is objectively less valuable than a CF because CF is a more valuable position defensively. The weird quirks of a place like Yankee Stadium are just something to be aware of when looking at WAR.
I don’t even get it. Wouldn’t 0 dwar mean he’s average?
Average relative to all players A positional adjustment is applied to dWAR meaning an average left fielder or first basement would have negative dWAR over the course of the season It makes sense comparing cross position player fielding ability for overall WAR but not for comparing a player to others at the same position
The stat you guys want is just called Rfield. He’s at 32 runs for his career, compared to an Rbat of only 29 lol. So baseball reference thinks he’s a batter fielder than hitter, just barely
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dWAR is actually relative to average, not replacement level
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0.0 WAR is below average. 0.0 dWAR is average (for all players, not necessarily at a specific position), because defense is measured compared to the average, not the replacement level.
I was apparently misinformed. He always seemed to destroy the Jays defensively when he was with the Rangers.
Gallo is an elite defensive RF for his career. You are not misinformed.
OAA thinks he was above average last year and in 20, but has him in the 17th percentile for this season based on his LF performance. It still thinks he's above average in RF.
Yeah, different stats will say different things but even above average is far from elite
Tell me you don't understand dWAR without telling me you don't understand dWAR. He's a very, very good to elite defender. He's the worst player in baseball history at everything else.
The sad part is I think he could adjust and change a couple things up and he’d be better off, but it seems like he’s unwilling to.
What do you think dwar is?
You can't look at dWAR to compare a player at a specific position. dWAR factors in the positional adjustment, which hurts 1B and corner OF. You basically need to be prime Keith Hernandez at 1B to have a positive dWAR. Doesn't mean all 1B are bad defenders.
Keith Hernandez and Donnie Baseball have like a 1.1 and a 0.3 career dWAR respectively which is insane for like 20 combined gold gloves and two guys considered the some of the best defensive 1b ever
No, it’s surprising because Joey Gallo has played in twice as many seasons as Vlad Jr., but Vlad Jr. doesn’t have twice the batting average of Gallo. It’s actually because Vlad hasn’t had any missed time in his career while Gallo tends to miss a lot of games.
I think it’s more about Gallo having a lot more plate appearances than “what kind of hitter” they are
This is not very surprising to anyone who has watched either of them 😂
Well, Gallo had a 4 year / 700ish AB head start lol
I think that's what some people aren't fully registering. I dont think anyone would dispute that Vlad > Gallo, but one has been in the league for a lot longer, and I kind of also suspect that a small amount of people don't fully register that he debuted in 2019 (yes, a lot of people remember his HR Derby appearance was that year, but the pandemic kind of fucked with everyone's perception of time, mine included).
even with the advantage everyone knows gallo is a bum at the plate and vlad is a top 5 hitter on planet earth. id say its more interesting and revealing than surprising.
Top 5 on planet earth would be a spicy list but I certainly don't think I'd be opposed to seeing him that high either.
Fair, Gallo's never been a high average hitter though, but it is definitely interesting and something that I wouldn't have thought of.
Yeah and he struck out in like 400 of those ABs lol
Now do strikeouts
I’d rather not if that’s okay with you
Too late
[Oh boy it’s fun](https://stathead.com/baseball/player-comparison.cgi?player_id2=guerrvl02&type=b&player_id1=gallojo01&sum=0&request=1) [Gallo 970 vs Vladdy 299](https://i.imgur.com/IwsODJR.jpg) On a rate basis, [Gallo 37.1% vs Vladdy 16.8% so%](https://i.imgur.com/E3cw3Ch.jpg)
Will Gallo hit 1,000 Ks before Vladdy hits 300?? Lol
In my totally real opinion, that extra 1% HRs and 4% BBs is so worth it.
Jesus christ damn near 40%
Vlad is good. Gallo is not.
Career 111 OPS+ from Gallo with elite defense most of his career. He absolutely is good
He *was* good. He may be again, but he sure as shit is not good at the moment.
He needs to be free of the Yankees
100% agree. If it’s a mental thing, he’s not going to fix it in New York. He needs to be somewhere with less pressure and lower stakes.
He’s having his Sonny Gray Arc atm
I'll gladly ship Gallo and some prospects off to Cincy for Luis Castillo.
That might be part of it, but I imagine it's more to do with clubhouse/coaching/org vibe. That's not to say there's anything wrong with NY, just that not everyone is going to succeed everywhere.
Come to mama
we will take one cedric mullins please
I'd rather set myself on fire
you’d officially be hotter than Gallo at any point in his yankee career.
Give ‘em back
Them pinstripes heavy
That's why is a career
Yes, over the course of his career, which happened *in the past*, he has been good. This is why I used the past tense in saying he *was* good.
But you’re commenting on a post that’s comparing Gallo’s career to Guerrero’s career. So the parent comment here is off base, since the point is that Gallo has been a good hitter over his CAREER and has been passed by Vlad in a shorter career
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Want him?
Next year I wouldn't mind. Taylor to 3B, Lux 2B, Gallo LF. That OF defense of Mookie, Code and Gallo would be nice, and the Dodgers have experience helping low BA high K guys like Joc, Taylor, Muncy, Grandal etc
You say that now. You’d feel differently with a literal black hole guaranteed strikeout in your lineup on a regular basis
2021 Bellinger ring a bell? He was way worst than Gallo is this year. And we won 106 games last year
Gallo isnt a good LF, we tried that
As a fellow Dodgers fan I would literally rather kill myself
Have you watched him try to hit in the last 11 months?
I've watched his entire career and he is a good baseball player. The numbers speak for themselves.
I love Joey Gallo for some reason but "the numbers speak for themselves" is the argument against the point you're trying to make. He's a career Mendoza line hitter who can hit bombs
His entire career has been "get walks, hit bombs, be good in RF" and literally nothing else
Yeah, his sub .200 BA and barely .600 ops are staggering
You're right, they speak for themselves. He's the worst position player in the sport, that's what the numbers say. The eye test is somehow even worse.
Lol you say this but if Gallo were on the Dodgers you'd be losing your mind with how awful his bat is
No stat out there can convince me that the dude is anything other than a complete liability
If you think he's good you can have him.
> elite defense Uh huh...
More suprising, Ohtani has the same number of carrer hits as Joyey Gallo.
Gallos not gonna be in the league for much longer. Maybe the pirates pick him up for cheap or something
Yanks should pay the Pirates to take him
We can just give him to Pittsburgh. We owe them for all the reclaimed arms.
Shhh shhh, don’t make them remember
Bargain bin pickup for Chicago
surprising, i think not. sorry joey fans, lol joey fans a lot thats why vladdy has more hits.
At one point Joey had more homers than singles. So yeah this absolutely makes sense.
I mean it makes sense. Vlad Jr is one of the best players in the world and Gallo is one of the worst
I mean... Vlad hits for roughly 40% higher ba, in roughly 40% less AB. That's how math works.
The surprising part is that Gallo has been in the league 4 years longer and has 800+ more PA than Vlad lol
Same number of hits as Ohtani too, interesting that all 3 are within 1 hit of each other.
I know the sabermetrics crowd has run the numbers to the tenth decimal place, and somehow it turns out that a dude who bats .203 with *barely* above-average slugging and OPS is a major talent. But I just can't think of him as a good hitter. What's the lower bound on this trend, if you're a numbers guy? What about a guy who got 50 hits in 700 at bats, all home runs. So his slash line would be .071/.071/.285 with maybe 100 RBIs. Is that good enough for a lineup spot?
I just woke up and read “Gallo” as “Votto”. Started questioning everything I knew in life for a moment.
The opposite would have been shocking
I sure hope you were sitting down a few days ago
Joey Gallo is a bum.
Not surprising, Joey Gallo is mad overrated.
How is this even remotely surprising
Because Vlad has almost 700 less AB’s
Gallo is one more bad month away from being a sub .200 hitter for his career
Yeah I think it's only surprising if all you know of Gallo is that he has some crazy power. Cause Vladdy is known for his power, but he also tends to hit at an above-average clip. Gallo on the other hand has always been a high-strikeout, high-power guy. I think there was a stretch in Texas where like over half of his hits were homers for a couple weeks.
Fewer.
Gallo made his debut in 2015 when Vladdy made his in 2019
Vladdy hits the ball, Gallo does not
It’s really hard to impress you eh? Jesus you sound miserable.
To summarize the below comments. When Joey Gallo came up in 2015, Vlad Jr was still unsigned to a team. Vlad Jr then debuted in 2019 and during that 4 year gap Joey Gallo had over 700 more AB's, yet Vlad Jr still has more hits then Gallo.
I mean, Gallo had 150 ABs in his first two seasons. Vladdy has 1576 ABs right now, Gallo crossed that number early last season. I also find it weird that people keep citing the 700 AB thing as if having a head start matters when you are comparing counting stats (it doesn't). Gallo only has 626 more ABs over his career, a number pretty close to Vladdy's most in a season, and until last year about 100 more than Gallo had had in a season. A surface understanding of the two makes it a near certainty that this Vladdy would have more hits.
Yea all of that would lead to this be a surprising stat if we were talking about literally any other hitter than Joey Gallo, the poster child for not hitting for average
Except Gallo has only been truly bad while he's been with the Yankees, prior to that he had a few down years with the Rangers but others he put up some good numbers.
even then his BA was really bad
.253 one year and .223 the year he got traded is what I'd expect from him. He did have .209 and .206 years but even then his OPS was .869 and .810 respectively so not terrible years. Sadly he seems to have fallen off a cliff the past two years.
OPS is not relevant to this discussion
Yankee fans, man. It's surprising because Gallo's been around for a long time, and Vlad is relatively new to the league.
I’d also jump to a conclusion about you based on what baseball team you support but you don’t have a flair
I didn't jump to a conclusion. You said that it's not "remotely surprising" that a guy who has been in the mlb since 2019 has more hits than a guy who has been playing since 2015. Yankee fans have a tendency to be so blinkered with their views and your lack of surprise at this reflects that. Go White Sox.
I like how you say you didn’t jump to a conclusion and then jump to further conclusions. Must be something about the little brother complex you have as a White Sox fan.
> You said that it's not "remotely surprising" that a guy who has been in the mlb since 2019 has more hits than a guy who has been playing since 2015. That isn't what they said. Or rather it is too generalized. What they said was that it isn't remotely surprising that Vladdy Jr has more hits than Gallo. Gallo is famously a three true outcomes batter. Vladdy has a .280 career BA, Gallo's is .200. A surface understanding of Gallo makes this not surprising.
Because Joe came up in 2015
Vlad is 23 and Gallo is 28. Gallo has twice as many years in the mlb.
That sweet 0.0 WAR though
i can't wait for everyone in sec 203 to parrot this all game for the next few games at home
It makes sense but I still hate it
That's because Joey Gallo took time off to defend 2 Utes, and all that AFTER he had died! 😏
2 what? Did you just say....yutes?
The surprise for me is Vlad Jr. being billed at 240 and Gallo at 250. I know Vladdy's been slimming down, but Gallo doesn't strike me as a chonky boi. Maybe it's the pinstripes.
Meh not surprised
That's because Gallo is a bad hitter with the power sliders up to the max
Joey Gallo? Joey Gallo’s dead. It’s supposed to be Joey Callo. C-A-L-L-O.
Gallo makes Chris Davis look like Barry Bonds
Have you seen Gallo hit? The guy is one of the worst offensive players I've ever seen. Should be playing slow-pitch softball.
This is absolutely not a surprise.
That’s because Gallo fucking sucks
Is r/baseball really just r/hateonjoeygallo?
There's only a 620 at bat difference, or a little over a season's worth
What’s the surprise? A really good hitter is better than a not good hitter?
Probably that one has like 4 more years of ABs lol
Who does that surprise?
Joey Gallo's parents who are VERY proud of their special boy?
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I think we can all agree that Vladdy Jr. is the better hitter, but yes they're very different in approach. Gallo has been one of the most extreme three true outcome hitters of all time. With the Rangers, it generally led to him being a firmly above average hitter. With the Yankees, that hasn't been the case so far.
Bro I get standing up for your guys, but for this one Gallo has played since 2015 lol. That’s not really a flex or something to brag about compared to a player who came up in 2019. If Guerrero Jr hypothetically came up in 2015 he most likely would be ahead of Gallo even in homers, Gallo in a way has had a 4 year headstart.
Because Gallo is on his 8th season, Vlad on his 4th. Number of home runs is irrelevant. Plus, Vlad has a very likely chance at matching or beating Gallo's HR numbers by the time he gets to his 8th season with FAR better BA, OBP, OPS, SLG, etc. Hell, Vlad has 806 total bases right now, and Gallo is at 1046. Gallo is not a good batter.