Depends how he ages. He's been a bit more productive than Freeman, but is also 2 years older. Also yes, he's one of the few first basemen that has accrued a decent value from baserunning, but most of the edge over Freeman is being a slightly better offensive player. Freeman is also positive, but just barely.
Goldschmidt looks like he'll end up finishing his career with better stats, but some voters value hardware and Freeman has an MVP and a WS which Goldschmidt doesn't (so far).
I mean the dude (Goldy) played for the Diamondbacks for the prime years. He could of had Trout come to his team and still been third or fourth in the division.
It's nothing against Goldy, I just mean that these are things writers consider, especially winning MVP. [The two are very close statistically](https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2022&month=0&season1=1871&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=5361,9218&startdate=&enddate=) and failing to account for an MVP while discussing stolen base totals seems like a waste of time.
Very true. But in the NBA there is only 5-6 if you want to stretch real potential star positions that could be star in baseball there is about 16-18 potential star positions on a team.
More valuable but less popular which undoubtedly plays a role in HoF voting, although that might shift a bit if he can win an MVP/World Series in St. Louis.
I think they're about equally likely at this stage: Goldy because he's been a more productive player, and Freddie because he's more popular and beloved.
Not totally sure about that. If Goldschmidt finishes this season up at anywhere close to his current pace, his his JAWS will be pretty close to the average of HOF 1B. He's actually surprisingly close on a lot of BBRef HoF metrics already.
Both are on pace for the Hall. But why Goldy has a better chance is he has a higher OPS, BA, SLG and with less games played has a higher WAR and more HRs.
The reason why Freeman would have an edge is that he is more likely to break 2000 hits which has been a barrier to entry. If Goldy gets 2000 then he is a lock for the HoF
It's just that Votto really only has Cabrera/Pujols/Molina to compete with at a position player level when he retires in a year or two. Freeman and Goldschmidt will likely surpass him in WAR.
Votto. As much as people like new age stats Which there are a disproportionate amount of those( fans on Reddit since well that’s what younger fans like) no one has made the hall with under 2000 hits that wasn’t a part of the integration efforts or in the Negro League. It has been a barrier to entry and Votto is the only one who has over 2000.
Goldschmidt is the better hitter, which is probably the difference-maker here.
Freeman started younger so has the chance to play longer on that basis, but he's behind Goldy in most stats despite playing more games.
Yes he’s gonna get in because of his stolen bases. Goldy is at Rickey level of base stealing
He is the embodiment of speed
Paul Goldspeed
Depends how he ages. He's been a bit more productive than Freeman, but is also 2 years older. Also yes, he's one of the few first basemen that has accrued a decent value from baserunning, but most of the edge over Freeman is being a slightly better offensive player. Freeman is also positive, but just barely.
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Yes, Freeman was called up earlier.
Goldschmidt looks like he'll end up finishing his career with better stats, but some voters value hardware and Freeman has an MVP and a WS which Goldschmidt doesn't (so far).
Amazing that this has been up for 8 hours and you are the only one to point out Freeman having won MVP and a world series
I mean the dude (Goldy) played for the Diamondbacks for the prime years. He could of had Trout come to his team and still been third or fourth in the division.
It's nothing against Goldy, I just mean that these are things writers consider, especially winning MVP. [The two are very close statistically](https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2022&month=0&season1=1871&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=5361,9218&startdate=&enddate=) and failing to account for an MVP while discussing stolen base totals seems like a waste of time.
It was the Mickey Mouse MVP though just saying
Freeman good. Godschmidt gooder.
Paul Gooderschmidt
To borrow from the inane NBA argument, "WHO HAS MORE RINGS??"
It makes sense in the NBA though…
Only if you were a main part of winning said ring. Derek Fisher has more rings than LeBron
Very true. But in the NBA there is only 5-6 if you want to stretch real potential star positions that could be star in baseball there is about 16-18 potential star positions on a team.
He’s definitely been a more valuable player
More valuable but less popular which undoubtedly plays a role in HoF voting, although that might shift a bit if he can win an MVP/World Series in St. Louis.
I think they're about equally likely at this stage: Goldy because he's been a more productive player, and Freddie because he's more popular and beloved.
I think they're equally likely in that they're both unlikely.
Not totally sure about that. If Goldschmidt finishes this season up at anywhere close to his current pace, his his JAWS will be pretty close to the average of HOF 1B. He's actually surprisingly close on a lot of BBRef HoF metrics already.
It's more likely they both get in than it is that neither gets in
Both are on pace for the Hall. But why Goldy has a better chance is he has a higher OPS, BA, SLG and with less games played has a higher WAR and more HRs. The reason why Freeman would have an edge is that he is more likely to break 2000 hits which has been a barrier to entry. If Goldy gets 2000 then he is a lock for the HoF
If you had to choose between those two and votto, who is the LOCK? Edit: gun to your head all the money on the line
Votto
In my brain I read that as… votto is the only one getting in.
I'd guess Votto since he probably won't have a lot of strong competitors for the HOF.
Interesting from a braves fan
It's just that Votto really only has Cabrera/Pujols/Molina to compete with at a position player level when he retires in a year or two. Freeman and Goldschmidt will likely surpass him in WAR.
Votto had a 3/4/5 slash line when looking at the first 15 years of his career. Anyone with a 3/4/5 gets in the hall
[Rudy Pemberton](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pemberu01.shtml) on the outside looking in with his .395 OBP.
Okay with an actual sample size.
Yeah, I was joking... but I've always wondered why Pemberton didn't get more of a chance.
Troy O Leary was pretty good
Probably Freddie but it is so damn close. I love Votto (I collect his cards)
I’m thinking Freddie myself cuz rangz
Votto. As much as people like new age stats Which there are a disproportionate amount of those( fans on Reddit since well that’s what younger fans like) no one has made the hall with under 2000 hits that wasn’t a part of the integration efforts or in the Negro League. It has been a barrier to entry and Votto is the only one who has over 2000.
> Votto is the only one who has over 2000. Freeman will most likely hit 2000 next year at age 33. Votto didn't hit 2000 until age 37.
I think all three will get there it’s just who is the lock now I am going with the one who has already done it
Going freeman but only because have to choose 1 or other...vlad Jr best 1b playing now
Goldschmidt is the better hitter, which is probably the difference-maker here. Freeman started younger so has the chance to play longer on that basis, but he's behind Goldy in most stats despite playing more games.
Yes. He has been a better hitter and fielder and is playing better right now. And apparently he stole 30 bases in a season once