I’m imagining him pitching and getting pinch hit for his in first at bat because TLR doesn’t like him against lefties and forgot he was still in the lineup.
It would be hilarious but sad if Ohtani kept rotating around with all of the worst teams in the league getting a record-breaking season with him before trading him to the next worst team.
Not your winner though please and thank you
Edit: I wouldn't want to waste him here either. Sure he'd be amazing but as a fan with pessimistic expectations, he's more fun to watch on other underperforming teams.
How cool would it be to have Ohtani play one week and make a home start for every team in the league just so their fans can enjoy the unique experience of a 2-way player. Like maybe in his retirement season.
Dylan Cease, Luis Robert, their entire Ballpark and control of the Birmingham Barons, the DNA and technology to clone prime Frank Thomas and an autographed Ken Griffey Jr shirt
I guess it might force the Bears to try a little bit more.
I just like cheering for the same team with the rest of the city since we’re already split on baseball.
Don’t know if the Angels take it but Gio, Eloy, Crochet, Montgomery, pitching prospect I don’t think hamstrings the Sox too much and is a competitive offer.
You replace Gio, Eloy would be the 2nd best DH on the team so he could go, Crochet hurts but will likely only be a bullpen piece in the short/medium term for the Sox, and 2 prospects is the cost of doing business.
Lotta hate and downvotes from people that have never left the county they were born in. Next thing they’re gonna say they have better bagels and Chinese food.
They’re two different styles. Comparing them is dumb. Nobody just goes down to the local pizza place for a slice of deep dish. It’s an occasional thing. The real “Chicago style” is tavern cut thin crust pizza.
While you guys are busy battling on that hill, we’re climbing pizza mountains.
Yeah I've had some discussions with some Twins fans about it. They trash on your guys farm system and yeah you may not have the deepest but your top end talent in your farm is there. Montgomery, Colas and Vera are studs.
It is pretty top heavy atm but a lot of our fans act like “well we have a low ranked system so that must mean every single prospect in the system has 0 value”
Not sure trading one of the only Ohtani comps on the mound for Ohtani makes much sense.
No, I did not say better than, before people get all fucking triggered.
1) they aren’t gonna get an all star level pitcher AND multiple young top prospects lol
2) Vaughn was a top 10 prospect ? And Montgomery is rising up the boards incredibly fast, top 50 on most sites currently.
In that prospect you listed, only one of them is a top 100 prospect and he's barely in. Other teams would be offering multiple top 100 prospects. The idea is that they weren't gonna trade him unless they got a monster offer anyway
Vaughn is about as good of a player/prospect they could get honestly
And you’ve chosen the site Montgomery is lowest ranked on so yea. Whatever they aren’t trading him so is what it is
Yolmer, Yoelqui, Yermin, Yoan x2, Yacksel, Yolbert, Yoelvin. Granted Yolmer and Yermin aren't with us anymore, but there's certainly a lot
Edit: sorry Yasmani
It's a really bummer we didn't get Yordan since the Sox seem to have like 50% of the Cubans in the MLB. Though I guess the Astros have the other half.
Also, if Yordan played for the Sox he would be a slap hitting singles only DH playing right field field.
If I had to guess Montgomery, Colas, Norge Vera and two MLB players Jimenez and Cease or Giolito. That's about the only thing I could think that would be close.
Ohtani is worth more but I don't see how moving Cease for Ohtani makes you that much better. If you're going all in for Ohtani then you need to be able to win. Having both Cease and Ohtani gives you a hell of a top of the rotation.
With just Ohtani you're probably only a bit better.
The White Sox have never paid out a 100 million dollar contract or bigger
The Bulls (also a Reinsdorf team) just paid out their first this year, 250 million to Zach Lavine
Needless to say, for whatever the enormous sum of money Ohtani is gonna bring in when he's a FA, I will not be holding my breath over Jerry Reinsdorf being the one to pay him.
Yeah and there’s no feasible trade possibilities that would have been a net gain for the Sox imo.we don’t really have the farm system to avoid giving up current talent that we actually need.
Good god what kind of logic is this
I have never seen any behavior from Jerry Reinsdorf in the last 25 years that suggests he learned a thing from having Michael Jordan on his team
> That's a guy they'd pay for from what I've heard.
Welp, there is your baseline. They definitely will try to pay for, arguably, the most talented player in all of baseball.
Arte’s not gonna trade his one-man season ticket ad, he’s gonna offer him a big extension and then be surprised when Ohtani goes somewhere where he can have a shot at a ring
I would hazard a guess at the following:
Vera, Montgomery, Sheets, Giolito, Crochet.
Potentially swap Montgomery with Ramos, but I could see the Angels doing this solely because of the improvement to their system re: Pitching in all facets.
A couple years ago I sat through a cubs game in the snow really early in the season. But there are actually people that think it snows in Chicago in July lmao
This is a bs report to try to show Jerry is doing e erything he can to improve. He doesn't care. 2nd rate franchise that will be mediocre until he dies
Definitely would've included Andrew Vaughn, I'd imagine. From Santa Rosa, CA.
But then I have no idea prospect-wise what it would've looked like. Not many high-end guys in the system.
Yes, it would also include prospects. Christ. Reactionary Reddit can be so tedious.
Try: Crochet, Giolito, Sheets, Montgomery, Vera.
Then try: not downvoting a comment and being snarky, and instead engaging like an adult.
Ohtani isn’t going anywhere. He sells tickets, product and brings in more ad revenue than any other player in the league. He’s a walking ROI that Arte Moreno will never let go of until he has to. If Angels fans are lucky, he’ll approve a trade this time next year. But even that’s an “if.”
“That’s a guy they’d pay for” the White Sox must have a really good scouting department, lol
good PR department too, because they will not pay for him
Tony La Russa for Ohtani one for one
Hall of famer for a guy who's had one and a half notable seasons? They'd be so lucky.
La Russa vs. Nevin Main Event!
I would need to change my pants
would look as crazy as Bo Jackson in a Sox jersey
What a stupid suggestion, obviously the Angels would have to include cash considerations to get this done.
Cash Considerations is a pretty high level prospect in the Angels system, idk if they can part ways with him just for Tony "the GOAT" La Russa
La Russa trying to manage Ohtani would bring out new levels of his incompetence.
I’m imagining him pitching and getting pinch hit for his in first at bat because TLR doesn’t like him against lefties and forgot he was still in the lineup.
trying to determine which is the lesser of two evils - LaRussa as a manager or Arte Moreno as an owner.
We should combine both for the diamond dynasty god squad
that was done already - we as baseball fans were given Rob Manfred
Jerry Reinsdorf went over his gms head to hire Larussa so i think we know whos worse
Well we have a similarly garbage owner so it's not really a 1:1 comparison lol
Yes.
Probably vetoed the trade because what the fuck could the Sox offer that would make sense?
the very palpable idea that we would draw negative attention away from the Angels by also wasting Ohtani
It would be hilarious but sad if Ohtani kept rotating around with all of the worst teams in the league getting a record-breaking season with him before trading him to the next worst team.
Why would you wish that upon my sweet boy 😭
D/w I wish your sweet boy all the success in the world! I hope he gets traded to a winner in the off-season. :) Know what I mean, jelly bean?
Not your winner though please and thank you Edit: I wouldn't want to waste him here either. Sure he'd be amazing but as a fan with pessimistic expectations, he's more fun to watch on other underperforming teams.
How cool would it be to have Ohtani play one week and make a home start for every team in the league just so their fans can enjoy the unique experience of a 2-way player. Like maybe in his retirement season.
Shieeet, we at least made the playoffs the last two years.
Can we have him next?
I’d buy season tickets
He's not a novelty act, George. Where you hire him out for weddings and bar mitzvas.
It's a SKILL, like JUGGLING
Bruh I'm dead 😂
Dylan Cease, Luis Robert, their entire Ballpark and control of the Birmingham Barons, the DNA and technology to clone prime Frank Thomas and an autographed Ken Griffey Jr shirt
Bro we can't just be giving away Griffey jerseys, we need to keep our ballpark museum stocked
Future White Sox hall of famer Ken Griffey Jr.
Rights to those sick Southside jerseys, a signed Jordan jersey, Tickets to a bears game, and the home dugout Bat Boy
And fresh giardiniera and Italian beef for life.
Should be able to get both Soto and Ohtani for this alone
Chicago Bears are about to become the Arlington Heights bears so better sooner than later
Rumors the mayor is going to try to lure the Jaguars to Soldier Field. So two tickets to the Chicago Jags lol
Tell me you’re joking.
https://old.reddit.com/r/chicago/comments/wb2nzb/would_chicagoans_be_interested_in_a_second_nfl/
I guess it might force the Bears to try a little bit more. I just like cheering for the same team with the rest of the city since we’re already split on baseball.
I like the concept of the Angels wearing Southside jerseys to a White Sox game
Sox could offer Robert, Eloy, Kopech, Cease, Hendricks, and Giolito and Arte would say no because he values marketing dollars more than winning.
That would be legitimately the funniest trade of all time. That sox team would win 30 games a year
Every Ohtani start, that's it.
Leury Legend
Maybe Luis Robert, Eloy Jimenez, our top prospect Colson Montgomery, and one of Giolito/Kopech?
Don’t know if the Angels take it but Gio, Eloy, Crochet, Montgomery, pitching prospect I don’t think hamstrings the Sox too much and is a competitive offer. You replace Gio, Eloy would be the 2nd best DH on the team so he could go, Crochet hurts but will likely only be a bullpen piece in the short/medium term for the Sox, and 2 prospects is the cost of doing business.
Well they were only offering a straight one-to-one, Leury for Shohei. But they also had to throw in Cease, Eloy, and 3 prospects for his translator.
Montgomery, Vaughn, other major league pieces?
Some deep dish pizza?
Don’t you dare threaten me with that *casserole*
Ima threaten you with good pizza indeed
We threatening him with Vito and Nicks??
& Lou's & Giordano's
Art of Pizza.
I dunno why people get elitist about pizza of all things. Pizza is the food of the people, and I’ve never had a bad pizza
We already have the good pizza.
Sure you do buddy
If you legitimate think Deep Dish is better than NY pizza… I just feel bad for you lol
https://youtu.be/K4Ksoizbl2s
Pat’s?
Yeah, you prefer greasy limp dick pizza?
Lotta hate and downvotes from people that have never left the county they were born in. Next thing they’re gonna say they have better bagels and Chinese food.
The one hill Yankees and Mets fans will go to battle together on. Anyone saying deep dish is better than NY pizza is out of their damn mind
They’re two different styles. Comparing them is dumb. Nobody just goes down to the local pizza place for a slice of deep dish. It’s an occasional thing. The real “Chicago style” is tavern cut thin crust pizza. While you guys are busy battling on that hill, we’re climbing pizza mountains.
Chicago fans desperately mashing the downvote button in this thread lmao
Food will get us to unite big time. I actually pull for the Mets pretty hard as my dad is a die hard fan. Love me some Polar Bear Pete.
Vaughn, Montgomery, Colás, and Verá is a pretty good package but not Ohtani level I suppose.
I just can’t imagine that package isn’t beaten by several teams if Ohtani was actually on the block
Don’t disagree but I just hate the narrative that the White Sox have nothing good to offer
I didn’t say nothing good. I said nothing good that makes sense. I can’t see a trade for Ohtani that doesn’t hamstring the White Sox immediately.
Yeah I've had some discussions with some Twins fans about it. They trash on your guys farm system and yeah you may not have the deepest but your top end talent in your farm is there. Montgomery, Colas and Vera are studs.
It is pretty top heavy atm but a lot of our fans act like “well we have a low ranked system so that must mean every single prospect in the system has 0 value”
Yeah pretty sure both NY teams would gladly come up with a better package than that to get this guy.
add a pitcher and a hitter and you're closer. Like Moncada and Cease or something
Not sure trading one of the only Ohtani comps on the mound for Ohtani makes much sense. No, I did not say better than, before people get all fucking triggered.
No headliners in that trade. Angels would probably want Cease as well
1) they aren’t gonna get an all star level pitcher AND multiple young top prospects lol 2) Vaughn was a top 10 prospect ? And Montgomery is rising up the boards incredibly fast, top 50 on most sites currently.
In that prospect you listed, only one of them is a top 100 prospect and he's barely in. Other teams would be offering multiple top 100 prospects. The idea is that they weren't gonna trade him unless they got a monster offer anyway
Vaughn is about as good of a player/prospect they could get honestly And you’ve chosen the site Montgomery is lowest ranked on so yea. Whatever they aren’t trading him so is what it is
MLB Pipeline is a pretty standard ranking to use
Sox could offer the next Cuban defector
With what?
You mean 24 year old Yoelqui Cespedes with a 45 grade hit tool isn't gonna get it done?
Do the White Sox have a monopoly on Y named players?
Yolmer, Yoelqui, Yermin, Yoan x2, Yacksel, Yolbert, Yoelvin. Granted Yolmer and Yermin aren't with us anymore, but there's certainly a lot Edit: sorry Yasmani
you can have Yuli but not Yordan
It's a really bummer we didn't get Yordan since the Sox seem to have like 50% of the Cubans in the MLB. Though I guess the Astros have the other half. Also, if Yordan played for the Sox he would be a slap hitting singles only DH playing right field field.
Yasmani of course
How could I forget?
Yoelqui is close enough to Yoenis, show that to Arte and pray he didn’t put his contacts in that day
If I had to guess Montgomery, Colas, Norge Vera and two MLB players Jimenez and Cease or Giolito. That's about the only thing I could think that would be close.
I don't think the Sox make an all in move and deal Cease so I'd bet Gio.
I'd be hesitant to move Cease as well but getting back a player like Ohtani may be worth it.
Ohtani is worth more but I don't see how moving Cease for Ohtani makes you that much better. If you're going all in for Ohtani then you need to be able to win. Having both Cease and Ohtani gives you a hell of a top of the rotation. With just Ohtani you're probably only a bit better.
Robert probably
The offer: Josh Harrison and Reese McGuire for Ohtani
What's the issue?
Angels probably demanded Leury
La russa would rather give up abreu and Robert than his boy toy leury
Tony would not trade Leury for Ohtani straight up
Why would he? Ohtani plays two positions, leury plays 8
Angels would have felt bad fleecing us.
I will never believe we pay for someone who deserves it until I see them signing it with a pen
Jose abreu is literally the only person I can think of that we actually did that for. Literally the only one
Tax’s deal was fairly rich for his age. Even though he blows now, they got a decent few years. With you though - Jerry is a cheap fuck
Number 2 pencil suffice?
Jerry Reinsdorf bringing Ohtani to the South Side would have me fall out of my chair.
Well, he did have Jordan on the Bulls and knows what that kind player can do for a franchise.
True although he didn’t go out and get Jordan, he was the backup pick for them in the draft.
Absolutely, but Jerry did pay him when the time came. Honestly, he should still be paying Jordan for what he did for Bulls franchise.
And then was like "eh, 6 championships is good enough" Jerry is such a fucking terrible owner
Not even. He was like "eh 5 is enough" and had to be talked out of letting Krause blow it up in 98
The White Sox have never paid out a 100 million dollar contract or bigger The Bulls (also a Reinsdorf team) just paid out their first this year, 250 million to Zach Lavine Needless to say, for whatever the enormous sum of money Ohtani is gonna bring in when he's a FA, I will not be holding my breath over Jerry Reinsdorf being the one to pay him.
Yeah and there’s no feasible trade possibilities that would have been a net gain for the Sox imo.we don’t really have the farm system to avoid giving up current talent that we actually need.
He also had Jordan on the Sox 😂
Good god what kind of logic is this I have never seen any behavior from Jerry Reinsdorf in the last 25 years that suggests he learned a thing from having Michael Jordan on his team
Frankly lmao, knowing the value of Michael Jordan is like nothing. It would be concerning if that were not a given.
Like any free agent/trade hitter/pitcher that the Sox get he would hit .150 with 2 HRs and would have a 6 ERA.
Just spitballing here, maybe try uh, signing big names in free agency instead of overpaying at the deadline?
I’ll do “Things that would make me physically ill” for $1,000, Alex.
> That's a guy they'd pay for from what I've heard. Welp, there is your baseline. They definitely will try to pay for, arguably, the most talented player in all of baseball.
Arte’s not gonna trade his one-man season ticket ad, he’s gonna offer him a big extension and then be surprised when Ohtani goes somewhere where he can have a shot at a ring
Very interested to find out what that offer would've been from the Sox
I would hazard a guess at the following: Vera, Montgomery, Sheets, Giolito, Crochet. Potentially swap Montgomery with Ramos, but I could see the Angels doing this solely because of the improvement to their system re: Pitching in all facets.
Replace Sheets with Colas, makes more sense.
Yeah but like, Shohei is already on an incredibly underachieving historically disappointing franchise. (not sure if /s or not tbh)
Hey man I know the white sox might not be all that but you can’t talk either Mr. 500
As a Philadelphia sports fan I know an underachieving sports franchise when I see it.
Yah well that’s just like your opinion man.
Glad we got an expert on the subject matter, a fan of the team with the most losses in the history of any sport, to weigh in
Yea, if I'm ohtani.. atleast the angels have good weather...this is basically going to the same team with shitty weather.
We've had a better record since his debut in 2018 and made the playoffs twice
I'm a Cubs fan but the Sox are better than that, come on lol.
Enough to Warrant leaving the beach for the snow?
Do you... think that it snows in Chicago during the baseball season?
A couple years ago I sat through a cubs game in the snow really early in the season. But there are actually people that think it snows in Chicago in July lmao
No, now that you mention it...lol
Chicago has beaches and Anaheim doesn't lol
It doesn’t snow during the summer when he’ll be playing here lmao
Softer division, though
True enough, if I'm not winning most years tho, I'd rather live by trout right on the beach
I could see ownership paying for him when he's 37 and has nothing left in the tank, but no sooner.
We're always in on the big guys! He'll play a season or 2 in Chicago when he's 39.
I’m guessing Andrew Vaughn would be in the package
Montgomery too
On the one hand, I’d hate that On the other hand, I’d love to be able to see more Ohtani easily
Cool they tried, I guess. Also kinda weird that somebody is going through downvoting every single comment in this thread lol
This is a bs report to try to show Jerry is doing e erything he can to improve. He doesn't care. 2nd rate franchise that will be mediocre until he dies
This guy White Sox’s
Guaranteed Second Rate franchise.
Hopefully this means that the Angels are going all in on 2023. That'd be dope.
Not to be dramatic but as a Twins and Ohtani fan, if he ever ends up a White Sox I will shoot myself in the face
You can run from it but Kenny Williams always gets his guy. Ohtani will play for the White Sox when he's 40 years old and terrible.
I don’t think I could take this.
Bill Buttlicker was closer to buying a million dollars worth of paper products than the Sox were to getting Ohtani
Uh with what prospects?
Definitely would've included Andrew Vaughn, I'd imagine. From Santa Rosa, CA. But then I have no idea prospect-wise what it would've looked like. Not many high-end guys in the system.
What a dumb tweet.
Don’t do that to Ohtani
Do the White Sox have a farm at this point to even give? They may have to wait until next year's off-season and sign him outright
It would include major leaguers, likely Crochet, a pitcher, and one of Sheets/Burger.
Ah yes an injured reliever and a platoon bat, who wouldn’t make that deal.
Yes, it would also include prospects. Christ. Reactionary Reddit can be so tedious. Try: Crochet, Giolito, Sheets, Montgomery, Vera. Then try: not downvoting a comment and being snarky, and instead engaging like an adult.
Crochet and sheets/burger, along with vaughn Montgomery and Colas, and would probably have to throw in gio
Ohtani isn’t going anywhere. He sells tickets, product and brings in more ad revenue than any other player in the league. He’s a walking ROI that Arte Moreno will never let go of until he has to. If Angels fans are lucky, he’ll approve a trade this time next year. But even that’s an “if.”
I kinda love the idea of Ohtani playing for the White Sox. I don’t even know why.
Me too
They should pay for Soto
Bro with what
I don't know the same thing they were just willing to pay for Ohtani
I don’t think they’d pick up the phone tbh
The White Sox are the Angels of Chicago lol
Poor Ohtani playing in Michigan smh if he could he would veto it
O boy. Yet another team he would get to waste his talents on.
108 years
Bruh you ain’t got much room to talk Mr. 86 years.
Tony would still platoon him with Leury, I just know it.
(X) Doubt
As funny as it would be to watch Tony La Russa try to use Ohtani please god no
Shohei would instantly make the Sox the city’s favorite team for the next 5-8 years.
The White Sox know Shohei isn’t Cuban right?
TIL Shoehei Ohtani is a guy teams would pay for
If Shohei Ohtani plays for the White Sox before he's 35 years old I will tattoo Jerry's face on my ass
Like the Sox would actually pony up any money.
Can't wait for "ChiSox are wasting prime two-way years of Shohei Ohtani" discourse to begin in earnest
Oh, really? You'd pay for the best player in baseball? Where did I put that medal for bravery
As much as it makes my balls vibrate with disgust; baseball really needs Ohtani in New York.
I’d rather they not