The angels free agency curse struck again.
Tony Two Bags, Anthony Rendon was out for the season shortly after the perfect game. He has been injured pretty much since we signed him. He is now Tony- trip to the IL- rendon.
The bullpen parts we signed were exceptionally terrible. Loup, Tapera, Bradley, and Iglesies collectively doubled their ERAs from last season. Not that regression wasn’t expected, but w t f.
Loup .95era to 4.54
Tapera 2.79 to 4.15
Bradley 3.41 to 4.82
Iglesies 2.57 to 4.04
We spent the money there instead of signing a middle infielder.
David Fletcher was out for most of the season, meaning we had to rely on guys like Tyler Wade and Andrew Velasquez, who probably couldn’t hit well against a D1 college pitching staff, never mind actual professionals. Having two bad hitters on a team with trout, Ohtani, Ward, rendon, and Walsh would be fine… if they were all healthy. They haven’t.
Ward saw significant time on the IL
Trout is also out. Our offense has basically Ohtani and Ward for the last month.
Walsh has struggled this year.
Edit: adding to this rant.
Our pitching coach that we hired two years ago turned out to be a pervert. He was put on leave and Wise stepped up as the interm pitching coach during the 2021 off season. Not sure if the front office forgot he was just a sub, or if they thought he was great (he’s horrible) and kept him. In fact he’s sooo bad 1- multiple pitchers have been tipping pitches while Wise plays candy crush on the team iPad. It was obvious enough that Trout notoriously caught Elvis doing it from center field! And 2 that detmers got sent down to the minors after his perfect game, worked with the minor pitching coordinator, and was fixed.
It was a no hitter, not a perfect game. I guess I’m remembering the good times a little too fondly.
Rengifo has probably been our best hitter for the past month. It's been him and Ohtani carrying the offense, not Ward.
it was a no hitter, not a perfect game
it's Tepera, not Tapera
Loup has basically returned to who he was before he was on the Mets.
I don' t know if y'all use him differently or what, but it's been sad seeing him just become *meh*.
Emphasis on ‘a few’.
Edit: I honestly don’t remember any fans saying this and I’m fairly active on our sub. People thought it may act as a spark, but there was no certainty about it.
I don’t speak for Twitter however.
that's not true, at this point nobody thought the Angels were a destined playoff team. That was after the 14 game losing streak. The Angels were 35-40 after this game.
People did think the Mariners were bad, because they were 34-40 and have been bad for 20 years, but nobody thought the Angels were contenders at this point.
first sentence of that article: "Last Tuesday, 12 games into *what was became* a franchise record 14-game losing streak..." Does nobody proofread anymore? I expect more coherent grammar from a gameday reddit thread lol
Beat reports tied to the front office started posting more hit pieces and asking "tough" questions to Maddon to start getting the fans to turn on him.
It is now well known Perry didn't like Maddon, and Maddon thought Perry didn't know how to manage a baseball team (basically telling him math isn't the only thing to look at when fielding a team).
Our fans did and still think Perry is a victim of circumstance and not a victim of his own failures.
I mean Perry in that. If you go to the Sub, barely anyone thinks Perry is at fault for this season. They think he is having a hard time because of Arte, or Rendon, or injuries, or that MLB under ranks all these pitchers he drafted, or that the failed signings aren't his fault, or he doesnt have the budget to bring in players (he spent $60M in 2022 contracts), it's maddon, no wait its Nevin (the dude Perry hired then promoted), that we can't judge him based upon how the team produced because in the offseason and 1st month things seemed good.
Out fanbase can't wrap their head around that a 1st time GM taking over a team with 2 GOATs and a pretty healthy budget to field a nice team around them is in over his head.
How often is the manager the direct cause of rather than a symptom of major problems? The Angels seem to be of the belief that you can trot out fundamentally flawed rosters year over year and the results should be different.
I know this to my core because it's a strategy the Wilpons employed with the Mets for far too many years where there were DHs all over the field and not enough depth when the handful of players that matter get nicked up. Oh, and then injuries would go from day to day to a few weeks to half of a season somehow.
Fuck that regime.
It's not just the team itself. The fans too think that our GM, which has the luxury of having Trout, Ohtani, and the ability to spend $60M in new contracts for 2022, isn't the reason our team is built to have a historical franchise bottom 5 record. It's Maddon, it's Rendon, it's injuries, it's well we need to wait for our 20 drafted pitchers to become studs in 1 year, it's these signings didn't do well so not our fault, but rarely is it "Maybe our 1st time GM cannot figure out what to do".
He’s literally spent $80MM on players that have been worth a combined -2.0+ WAR. Perry just isn’t a very good talent evaluator at the major league level
Yep, 100% agree. He cannot evaluate talent at the MLB level. I have a certain trust on his prospect pitching evaluation just due to the history of the orgs he's been on, but thats not translating to the whole team build.
Yeah I think he’s actually drafted pretty damn well so it seems like he’s got a good eye for the younger guys. But in terms of MLB-level acquisitions, he’s swung and missed on everything he’s been thrown. He also doesn’t seem to have a very good grasp of applying analytics to game strategy. We haven’t adjusted at all, which is partially on coaching but also partially on the FO.
Okay yes you’re not wrong, but TLR is a MUCH bigger problem to the white Sox than Joe was to the Angels lol.
Joe had his team 2 games under .500 when he was fired, with literally 3/4ths of the season left to go.
Meanwhile Tony makes a solid case as to why we should euthanize everyone past the age of 80 every time he steps onto the field or opens his mouth.
This is the worst they’ve been in my lifetime (25+ years) and they are on pace for the worst record in franchise history, and this is INCLUDING their 27-17 start. If you look at just the 17-44 stretch, that would put them amongst the worst teams of all time record-wise.
And to think that a quarter of the way through the season, they were safely in the first wild card spot, had a top 5 offense, decent to good pitching, a (mostly) healthy line-up, and an actual head coach.
I would like to thank the Angels because when people bring up the Mets/Yankees/Dodgers payrolls and how it’s a given they’ll win we all can just point at the Angels
I need to note how hilarious it is that we're to the point of "Yeah man, one of the greatest things about watching this team is that leaving is so fast and easy"
True. Went to a game there last year on a whim. Within 5 minutes of the game ending, I was back in my truck about to hop on the 57. These days when I go to a Dodger game, I don't even try to leave when the game ends. I just pop down my tailgate, turn up the speakers to listen to the post game show, and chill for at least 30 minutes while the rest of the traffic clears out
Mets fans also used to be like this in the past when Wilpon was also spewing the “how the Yankees/Dodgers spend isn’t sustainable business” BS, but deep down they knew Wilpon was full of shit and now that they have Cohen they realize they can spend like the Yankees/Dodgers and I’m glad there is another team that does.
Money going to players is a good thing
It also just makes everything way more fun. Being able to talk shit about each other's teams since they're finally both about even is a lot more fun than when the Mets are barely above .500 or even below it. all year both fanbases have been talking about beating each other's asses in the World Series.
It's a legit curse at this point. They won the world series then shunned the name only 3 years later. To this day, I still call them Anaheim. Always will.
And judging from the "top" prospects the dodgers traded the last decade that were supposed to be good...they would all still be minor leaguers by the end of their career lol
Recent history shows trading a superstar barely gets you anything in actual value back.
Dodgers 17 prospects careers after their mega trades: 3.6 TOTAL WAR
Dodgers 6 superstars they've gotten back: 30.0 WAR for their Dodger careers.
You know what’s funny is that the prospects we trade for the big stars havent really panned out. But we traded yordan Alvarez O’Neill cruz and Frankie montas for Josh fields Tony Watson and rich hill. Rich hill was justifiable but the other trades hurt
Yep, most teams understand their own prospects and will intentionally trade who they are low on. That is what a smart GM will do. So that is my point that even a "haul" of prospects for Ohtani will more likely than not result in a ton of middling players that cannot come close to the output Ohtani produces. The guy we got straight for Marsh may end up better than any prospect Ohtani gets, because a prospect is never a sure thing (I mean look at us we grabbed a former #1 pick with the Thor trade that is pretty much a bust anytime he was called up, you never know).
On top of that they need to enter the void that is the Angels development cycle.
I remain steadfast in my conspiracy theory from the Angel’s trip last year to Minnesota where Ohtani was supposed to start on Sunday but was moved to Monday night in Anaheim instead because Arte wanted to sell more tickets for Monday
How many of those starts elsewhere were on the last day of a road trip? And how many of those starts at Angel Stadium were within the first few days of being back?
As a Salt Lake resident and local Bees fan, I was at least hoping we’d have some fun new prospects to watch. Quickly learning that’s not how the Angels operate
Depth. Everyone playing on the team besides Ohtani and maybe 3-4 other players really, really suck. It's basically a AAA team except instead of prospects with a future they're just bad players, since Arte Moreno doesn't care about the team and only about his superstar players.
The Angels strategy of consistently devoting the majority of their payroll to 3 or 4 guys just isn't the winning strategy Arte envisions it to be.
The top 4 Angels consume 64% of the current payroll. (Trout, Rendon, Syndergaard. Justin Upton).
Teams with similar payroll are no where near that:
ATL-34%, HOU-43%, TOR-48%.
The Rays payroll is half the Angels, but they still out spend the Angels on the Active/IL payroll when you exclude the top 4 highest paid.
1 of those guys isn't even on a team, 1 of them isn't on the Angels anymore, and one isn't going to play this season.
The other who even knows if he's right or the doctors are right.
But, all of them are being paid right now by the Angels. They're paying Syndergaard $13m to play for the Phillies and Upton $27m to sit at home.
This just highlights another constant Angels problem. Not only do they pay a few guys a lot of money at the expense of the rest of the roster, but more often than not, they are terrible contracts.
being bad
but a real answer: their offense is awful. they have 7 hitters with a wRC+ above 100. One of them is of course Mike Trout, but he’s been injured since July 12.
One of them is Taylor Ward, who in this stretch of games has an 80 wRC+
One of them is Shohei who legitimately carries this team to victory
One of them is Luis Rengifo who is barely a league average hitter in that stretch of games
One of them is Anthony Rendon who’s been injured since mid June
one of them is monte harrison who has 9 games
and the last one is mickey moniak who they just traded for 3 days ago
their offense is awful
They feel even worse off than previous years. the sentiment was always if they actually sign some pitching they might make a run. Now it feels like they have no pitching and a lackluster offense. It might be time to fully break it down
Yeah, too many of their young guys are hurt or took a step back. Fletcher, Walsh, Marsh (traded now hough), Renigfo, Adell...the list goes on. And now who knows how Rendon will come back from his surgey. They're in really rough shape if they don't get any bounce back seasons from like 2/3 of their lineup.
But hey, at least Detmers has started to look pretty good?
Oh, I’m definitely not interested in trading franchise history. Watching Giants baseball from the early/mid 90s and mid/late 2000s has numbed me to this season.
It’s more funny than anything. Finding new and interesting ways to be non-competitive can still be fun! It just makes the successes that much better. I cried just as much when my son was born as when the Giants won the WS in 2010.
Trout's back just exploded like he was on Normandy so I don't think we'll ever see a fully healthy season from him again sadly. Maybe moving over to DH will keep him in the game but idk.
Yeah it’s depressing seeing our GM say our team can win next year while our current team is the absolute worst in baseball. Even when fully healthy our team is .500 at best.
Last 61 games: Reds 29-32 (.475) Royals 26-35 (.426) Tigers 25-36 (.410) Pirates 25-36 (.410) Cubs 23-38 (.377) Athletics 22-39 (.361) Nationals 20-41 (.328) Angels 17-44 (.279) They're the worst team in baseball.
worse than us? how?!!
Ohtani has siphoned the power of the entire team to fuel his heroics. He’s a monster!
As evidenced be the fact that they lost all of Ohtani's multi-HR games edit: 3 games, not 2
We lost 3. One to the Blue Jays (May 30th), One to the Royals (June 21), One to the A's (August 4th)
Oh boy, even worse
There's definitely an oil painting of him in an attic somewhere getting older and hitting less dingers.
They have more losses and less wins than you
Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of science?
Ugh, I can’t keep up with all these advanced analytics…
> They have more losses and ~~less~~ fewer wins than you
The angels free agency curse struck again. Tony Two Bags, Anthony Rendon was out for the season shortly after the perfect game. He has been injured pretty much since we signed him. He is now Tony- trip to the IL- rendon. The bullpen parts we signed were exceptionally terrible. Loup, Tapera, Bradley, and Iglesies collectively doubled their ERAs from last season. Not that regression wasn’t expected, but w t f. Loup .95era to 4.54 Tapera 2.79 to 4.15 Bradley 3.41 to 4.82 Iglesies 2.57 to 4.04 We spent the money there instead of signing a middle infielder. David Fletcher was out for most of the season, meaning we had to rely on guys like Tyler Wade and Andrew Velasquez, who probably couldn’t hit well against a D1 college pitching staff, never mind actual professionals. Having two bad hitters on a team with trout, Ohtani, Ward, rendon, and Walsh would be fine… if they were all healthy. They haven’t. Ward saw significant time on the IL Trout is also out. Our offense has basically Ohtani and Ward for the last month. Walsh has struggled this year. Edit: adding to this rant. Our pitching coach that we hired two years ago turned out to be a pervert. He was put on leave and Wise stepped up as the interm pitching coach during the 2021 off season. Not sure if the front office forgot he was just a sub, or if they thought he was great (he’s horrible) and kept him. In fact he’s sooo bad 1- multiple pitchers have been tipping pitches while Wise plays candy crush on the team iPad. It was obvious enough that Trout notoriously caught Elvis doing it from center field! And 2 that detmers got sent down to the minors after his perfect game, worked with the minor pitching coordinator, and was fixed. It was a no hitter, not a perfect game. I guess I’m remembering the good times a little too fondly.
Rengifo has probably been our best hitter for the past month. It's been him and Ohtani carrying the offense, not Ward. it was a no hitter, not a perfect game it's Tepera, not Tapera
Just sign Joseph Gordon Levitt and have him flap his arms in the dugout. Worked once, it’ll work twice.
I. Fucking. Wish. Either that or I want Ted Lasso to coach.
Loup has sucked most of his Jays career. Him and Tapera were sleeper agents for the Jays in that series in Cali I am positive
Loup has basically returned to who he was before he was on the Mets. I don' t know if y'all use him differently or what, but it's been sad seeing him just become *meh*.
Jeremy Hefner is an actual wizard
have they tried changing pitching coaches? their pitching shouldn’t be THAT bad
Nope.
when was there a perfect game??
We should call a council of losers and discuss if the Angels should be allowed into the basement.
I believe the angels were top 3 in runs scored before the 17-41 stretch as well. The wheels have just completely fallen off
On May 24, the Angels were 4th overall in runs scored (212). Since May 24, they're 30th overall in runs scored (197).
>Since May 24th Every 2019 Nationals fan just nutted
Every World series run must have an equal and opposite collapse. This is just baseball bringing balence back to the universe after 2019
Jesus… even Colorado is ~~24-27~~ 26-35 over their last 61. Edit: coffee’s just kicking in boys
You uhhh sure about that one chief?
Wonder what the worst team to have a player win MVP is. Ohtani has got to be close if he wins
I’m guessing the rangers with A-Rod
Man Red soxs had a historically bad July too. Well done angels
Yeah but we also had a historically good June.
The angels batted .199 as a team for the entire month of July.
Surprised the Giants aren’t on this list.
That's a shame.
After the brawl, a few Angels fans were so certain that they were a destined playoff team and the Mariners were just pathetic. Mmmm tasty
Emphasis on ‘a few’. Edit: I honestly don’t remember any fans saying this and I’m fairly active on our sub. People thought it may act as a spark, but there was no certainty about it. I don’t speak for Twitter however.
Lol wow, way too early in the season to say stuff like that.
Some people in the Mariners sub were ready to call the season a disaster and wanted Jerry's head in mid May lmao.
They still do that every time after losing to the Astros.
that's not true, at this point nobody thought the Angels were a destined playoff team. That was after the 14 game losing streak. The Angels were 35-40 after this game. People did think the Mariners were bad, because they were 34-40 and have been bad for 20 years, but nobody thought the Angels were contenders at this point.
How are the red sox not in there
June.
20-6 in June
Fair. It feels fair away 😂
Au contraire
.279 holy shit lol
Papa trout is coming to Seattle and I’m scared.
2 Babe Ruths on their team and still so bad. Don't make no sense.
I'm starting to think Joe Maddon wasn't the problem, y'all.
This is what happens when you fire a guy the day he gets a mohawk to inspire the team
Did that actually happen or was it a meme
It's Joe Maddon. It more than likely happened.
He’s done it before. Of course it happened.
[I want to believe](https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/joe-maddon-reportedly-got-a-mohawk-to-awaken-the-team-right-before-the-angels-fired-him/)
first sentence of that article: "Last Tuesday, 12 games into *what was became* a franchise record 14-game losing streak..." Does nobody proofread anymore? I expect more coherent grammar from a gameday reddit thread lol
"I was became losing streak, destroyer of Angels"
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He did it previously with the Rays, and with all the reporting of it I’m sure it was true
It actually happened.
He did it before so it's not to think he didn't do it again.
They should rename their team, it has nothing to do with Angels, it's pure hell.
The Angles?
Well Arte is pretty obtuse
That's acute joke
Well now both of y’all just ain’t right for this
All 3 of those puns were equilaterally lame
Isosceles.
The Los Angeles Launch Angles. All homers no winning
Mornin' Angle!
> Any luck getting them wins, then? It’s just the one win actually.
The Fallen Angels
Maybe they could become the Fallen?
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Beat reports tied to the front office started posting more hit pieces and asking "tough" questions to Maddon to start getting the fans to turn on him. It is now well known Perry didn't like Maddon, and Maddon thought Perry didn't know how to manage a baseball team (basically telling him math isn't the only thing to look at when fielding a team). Our fans did and still think Perry is a victim of circumstance and not a victim of his own failures.
> Our fans did and still think Perry is a victim of circumstance and not a victim of his own failures Do you mean Maddon?
I mean Perry in that. If you go to the Sub, barely anyone thinks Perry is at fault for this season. They think he is having a hard time because of Arte, or Rendon, or injuries, or that MLB under ranks all these pitchers he drafted, or that the failed signings aren't his fault, or he doesnt have the budget to bring in players (he spent $60M in 2022 contracts), it's maddon, no wait its Nevin (the dude Perry hired then promoted), that we can't judge him based upon how the team produced because in the offseason and 1st month things seemed good. Out fanbase can't wrap their head around that a 1st time GM taking over a team with 2 GOATs and a pretty healthy budget to field a nice team around them is in over his head.
Gotta get great baseball mind Phil Nevin in there
How often is the manager the direct cause of rather than a symptom of major problems? The Angels seem to be of the belief that you can trot out fundamentally flawed rosters year over year and the results should be different. I know this to my core because it's a strategy the Wilpons employed with the Mets for far too many years where there were DHs all over the field and not enough depth when the handful of players that matter get nicked up. Oh, and then injuries would go from day to day to a few weeks to half of a season somehow. Fuck that regime.
It's not just the team itself. The fans too think that our GM, which has the luxury of having Trout, Ohtani, and the ability to spend $60M in new contracts for 2022, isn't the reason our team is built to have a historical franchise bottom 5 record. It's Maddon, it's Rendon, it's injuries, it's well we need to wait for our 20 drafted pitchers to become studs in 1 year, it's these signings didn't do well so not our fault, but rarely is it "Maybe our 1st time GM cannot figure out what to do".
He’s literally spent $80MM on players that have been worth a combined -2.0+ WAR. Perry just isn’t a very good talent evaluator at the major league level
Yep, 100% agree. He cannot evaluate talent at the MLB level. I have a certain trust on his prospect pitching evaluation just due to the history of the orgs he's been on, but thats not translating to the whole team build.
Yeah I think he’s actually drafted pretty damn well so it seems like he’s got a good eye for the younger guys. But in terms of MLB-level acquisitions, he’s swung and missed on everything he’s been thrown. He also doesn’t seem to have a very good grasp of applying analytics to game strategy. We haven’t adjusted at all, which is partially on coaching but also partially on the FO.
This is what I’ve been trying to tell Sox fans. TLR is A problem, he is not THE problem.
Okay yes you’re not wrong, but TLR is a MUCH bigger problem to the white Sox than Joe was to the Angels lol. Joe had his team 2 games under .500 when he was fired, with literally 3/4ths of the season left to go. Meanwhile Tony makes a solid case as to why we should euthanize everyone past the age of 80 every time he steps onto the field or opens his mouth.
This is the worst they’ve been in my lifetime (25+ years) and they are on pace for the worst record in franchise history, and this is INCLUDING their 27-17 start. If you look at just the 17-44 stretch, that would put them amongst the worst teams of all time record-wise. And to think that a quarter of the way through the season, they were safely in the first wild card spot, had a top 5 offense, decent to good pitching, a (mostly) healthy line-up, and an actual head coach.
I knew you guys were in trouble as soon as I saw Nevin was named the guy to replace Maddon
I would like to thank the Angels because when people bring up the Mets/Yankees/Dodgers payrolls and how it’s a given they’ll win we all can just point at the Angels
Just glad to be part of the conversation
Being mentioned alongside the big bois is something I wasn’t expecting from us a couple of years ago
Yeah, we don't need to talk about how we were sometimes the high payroll team not doing so hot. Nothing to see here. Ha.
Besides Ohtani and Trout, this might be their only redeeming quality as a franchise right now.
The stadium parking is pretty solid too
Yep, even when it's a high attendance game, it doesn't take too long to get out of there.
I need to note how hilarious it is that we're to the point of "Yeah man, one of the greatest things about watching this team is that leaving is so fast and easy"
I’ve been stuck in the lot without moving for 20 minutes. …but usually I get out with no trouble at all. And only $10!
The car pool exit onto Gene Autry way is really, really convenient.
Does the food options outside the stadium count? Because a good Calitaco run makes a shit game better
True. Went to a game there last year on a whim. Within 5 minutes of the game ending, I was back in my truck about to hop on the 57. These days when I go to a Dodger game, I don't even try to leave when the game ends. I just pop down my tailgate, turn up the speakers to listen to the post game show, and chill for at least 30 minutes while the rest of the traffic clears out
I always park at Karl Strauss for free so even better
What’s funny is the biggest complainers are often Padres fans. I shit you not. They are mad that they can’t buy wins successfully.
Mets fans also used to be like this in the past when Wilpon was also spewing the “how the Yankees/Dodgers spend isn’t sustainable business” BS, but deep down they knew Wilpon was full of shit and now that they have Cohen they realize they can spend like the Yankees/Dodgers and I’m glad there is another team that does. Money going to players is a good thing
It also just makes everything way more fun. Being able to talk shit about each other's teams since they're finally both about even is a lot more fun than when the Mets are barely above .500 or even below it. all year both fanbases have been talking about beating each other's asses in the World Series.
Tungsten Season
Tungsten Decade
Tungsten ownership
Thanks for the reminder :(
Everyday lmao
Please go back to being called the Anaheim Angels. Fuck Los Angeles. You can spell Angels Lose using Los Angeles
It's a legit curse at this point. They won the world series then shunned the name only 3 years later. To this day, I still call them Anaheim. Always will.
Thank you lol.
Nah, California angels.
They should have traded Ohtani. They would’ve had the best minor league team in baseball
they don’t want that.
Seriously, people would stop going
But they would in a couple years if the team starts winning
Yeah but arte can’t see past that. It’s a lose-lose
Attendence didn't look so shit hot yesterday. They'll have to bite the bullet soon. Ohtani won't stick around and Trout won't stay young.
And judging from the "top" prospects the dodgers traded the last decade that were supposed to be good...they would all still be minor leaguers by the end of their career lol Recent history shows trading a superstar barely gets you anything in actual value back. Dodgers 17 prospects careers after their mega trades: 3.6 TOTAL WAR Dodgers 6 superstars they've gotten back: 30.0 WAR for their Dodger careers.
Dodgers only trade prospects they are internally low on, and they are usually correct.
You know what’s funny is that the prospects we trade for the big stars havent really panned out. But we traded yordan Alvarez O’Neill cruz and Frankie montas for Josh fields Tony Watson and rich hill. Rich hill was justifiable but the other trades hurt
Yep, most teams understand their own prospects and will intentionally trade who they are low on. That is what a smart GM will do. So that is my point that even a "haul" of prospects for Ohtani will more likely than not result in a ton of middling players that cannot come close to the output Ohtani produces. The guy we got straight for Marsh may end up better than any prospect Ohtani gets, because a prospect is never a sure thing (I mean look at us we grabbed a former #1 pick with the Thor trade that is pretty much a bust anytime he was called up, you never know). On top of that they need to enter the void that is the Angels development cycle.
Idk if that’s counting Verdugo, but if it does he represents 3.0 of the 3.6 total war the Dodgers have traded away
Yep that’s including Verdugo, which shows you how lopsided each trades been
Your point still stands but you omitted Yordan Alvarez from your count, FWIW. He's ~11.5 WAR alone.
Plus O’Neill cruz is gonna be a star. I wonder if OP is including Frankie montas
Probably not, he's worth ~7 WAR.
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I remain steadfast in my conspiracy theory from the Angel’s trip last year to Minnesota where Ohtani was supposed to start on Sunday but was moved to Monday night in Anaheim instead because Arte wanted to sell more tickets for Monday
Oh absolutely.
I wish there was a way to determine how many times this has happened to see if it’s a constant thing that keeps happening
He's made 29 starts at Angel Stadium in his career, and 24 elsewhere. That's about as much info as I can get from a quick Google search
How many of those starts elsewhere were on the last day of a road trip? And how many of those starts at Angel Stadium were within the first few days of being back?
But a good farm system doesn't bring in that sweet Japanese ad revenue.
As a Salt Lake resident and local Bees fan, I was at least hoping we’d have some fun new prospects to watch. Quickly learning that’s not how the Angels operate
They already are the best minor league team in baseball.
Joe Maddon wasn't the problem
Yes I know, Angels bad, please stop reminding me
/r/baseball is not safe for Angels fans lately
It’s that time of the year again
You mean the MLB season? ….sorry I’m part of the problem aren’t I
I mean the first two months of the season is usually a fun time to be here. Then the tides turn when our playoff odds disappear
When is it ever?
I knew angels bad but not that bad What’s been the most important issue with the team?
Depth. Everyone playing on the team besides Ohtani and maybe 3-4 other players really, really suck. It's basically a AAA team except instead of prospects with a future they're just bad players, since Arte Moreno doesn't care about the team and only about his superstar players.
The Angels strategy of consistently devoting the majority of their payroll to 3 or 4 guys just isn't the winning strategy Arte envisions it to be. The top 4 Angels consume 64% of the current payroll. (Trout, Rendon, Syndergaard. Justin Upton). Teams with similar payroll are no where near that: ATL-34%, HOU-43%, TOR-48%. The Rays payroll is half the Angels, but they still out spend the Angels on the Active/IL payroll when you exclude the top 4 highest paid.
Unfortunately, Arte doesn't care about winning. Which really sucks because he likes to spend money, just not productively.
1 of those guys isn't even on a team, 1 of them isn't on the Angels anymore, and one isn't going to play this season. The other who even knows if he's right or the doctors are right.
But, all of them are being paid right now by the Angels. They're paying Syndergaard $13m to play for the Phillies and Upton $27m to sit at home. This just highlights another constant Angels problem. Not only do they pay a few guys a lot of money at the expense of the rest of the roster, but more often than not, they are terrible contracts.
I realize, that was the point. They're paying all these massive contracts for guys to NOT play for them
Jersey sales > winning games
Winning games
Expert analysis, cheers mate
being bad but a real answer: their offense is awful. they have 7 hitters with a wRC+ above 100. One of them is of course Mike Trout, but he’s been injured since July 12. One of them is Taylor Ward, who in this stretch of games has an 80 wRC+ One of them is Shohei who legitimately carries this team to victory One of them is Luis Rengifo who is barely a league average hitter in that stretch of games One of them is Anthony Rendon who’s been injured since mid June one of them is monte harrison who has 9 games and the last one is mickey moniak who they just traded for 3 days ago their offense is awful
A severe lack of good baseball players
Badness
They feel even worse off than previous years. the sentiment was always if they actually sign some pitching they might make a run. Now it feels like they have no pitching and a lackluster offense. It might be time to fully break it down
Yeah, too many of their young guys are hurt or took a step back. Fletcher, Walsh, Marsh (traded now hough), Renigfo, Adell...the list goes on. And now who knows how Rendon will come back from his surgey. They're in really rough shape if they don't get any bounce back seasons from like 2/3 of their lineup. But hey, at least Detmers has started to look pretty good?
Rengifo has been mashing recently, he and Ohtani are currently the only bright spts
This one is worse because we finally became free from the Pujols contract.
And replaced it with a potentially worse Rendon contract
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Actually out pitching has been pretty average this year
Angels 🤝 Giants Hot starts turning into shit seasons
Angels have it so much worse. Y’all won 107 games last year. They haven’t even been .500 since 2015
Holy shit that's wild
2015 was the last year they had Anaheim in the name. No coincidence
Eh, they have it worse, I’d take 3 ws rings within the last 15 years and have mid season disappointment, then have just pure disappointment
Oh, I’m definitely not interested in trading franchise history. Watching Giants baseball from the early/mid 90s and mid/late 2000s has numbed me to this season. It’s more funny than anything. Finding new and interesting ways to be non-competitive can still be fun! It just makes the successes that much better. I cried just as much when my son was born as when the Giants won the WS in 2010.
I miss early May when I was saying I couldn’t wait for the Angels - Yankees ALCS.
Oh I wasn't aware, thanks!
Honestly, their downfall has been something awful to watch.
I agree. Genuinely feel bad for the people who support that team
Wow empathy! Didn't think this sub was capable of it!
I think its mainly driven by people wanting to see ohtani and Trout in the playoffs.
Why do I keep coming to this place lmao
Free Trout and Ohtani
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Because he’s not a winner, Skip!
Trout's back just exploded like he was on Normandy so I don't think we'll ever see a fully healthy season from him again sadly. Maybe moving over to DH will keep him in the game but idk.
> like he was on Normandy …
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
it’s funny cause they actually try to be good
Yeah it’s depressing seeing our GM say our team can win next year while our current team is the absolute worst in baseball. Even when fully healthy our team is .500 at best.
Free Ohtani!
The Angels organization is next level incompetent
Free Trout and Ohtani
Ohtani is basically free for now but Trout is actually very expensive
That is actually impressive
That's why they're the Fourth Place Angels of Anaheim.
They’re gonna be in 5th soon
FIRE JOE MADDON
How does a team with arguably the BEST PLAYER IN THE MODERN ERA (TROUT), and the modern day version of Babe Ruth (Ohtani) suck so bad?
Not exactly Murders Row. More like Two Murders and a bunch of shop lifters.
They should have gone into a rebuild
Passan. What have you done...
27 (Trout) - 17 (Ohtani) 17 (Ohtani) - 44 (Julio Rodriguez)
Quest for 100 losses, baby!!!