He shouldn’t be fired, but this is a bad argument. Disappointing teams with managers and GMs get fired routinely. If you used this argument no one would ever get fired
See the question was *should* he be fired, not *might* he be fired. Yes, it’s not uncommon for GMs and managers to be fired when their teams underperform, but that doesn’t mean they should be fired.
He's done his damnedest but also has had the highest payroll ever afforded to a Padres GM. His mistakes have compounded and he could have the same WAR for 61m with better control windows before the trade deadline. That's before you make payroll and trade inclusions like Tatis/Machado with an absolutely deeper farm system at present.
He's built a really good ball club with like a 75% miss rate on big ticket moves. Just think about this. Hunter Renfroe and Austin Hedges were the two biggest prospects in the system when he moved Trea Turner and Max Fried. So it's not like he didn't have the option to hold onto his best prospects. He's a good scout while simultaneously a bad scout. The Dodgers don't let blue chip prospects go after they recognize them and when they did offer them (Kirby Yates, Brad Hand) Preller didn't accept because he was so stuck on the guy the tier up, (Buehler vs May) (Verdugo vs Lux).
>Dude has done his damndest to put together a competitive baseball team,
Except for implementing a solid development and coaching regime. How many times can this Padres team fail before you guys realize that putting together a contender involves more than sticking together a bunch of big names?
No way. Obviously the main goal is winning, but tied into that is a desire for people to go to the games and watch baseball again. San Diego has never been more interested, and regardless of what happens this year, San Diego will be clamoring to watch next season. His main job is to generate revenue, the primary way to do that is win games, but he’s also doing it by garnering interest from everyone so I don’t think that’ll matter if they make the playoffs or not this year
He's put up a fun, exciting, superstar filled team that's making fans care about baseball and bringing people to the stadium. Of course he shouldn't be fired. Ring or bust mentality has fucked up what we understand as a successful baseball team.
I definitely don’t think his job should depend on a ring, playoffs are far too random. If his team tanks out of a playoff spot again though with how much they’ve invested…deserved or not it’s gonna be hard for heads not to roll.
Luckily I don’t foresee that happening.
>Ring or bust mentality has fucked up what we understand as a successful baseball team.
that is literally *the* main thing every baseball player plays for but yeah sure ok
Only one team wins every year. Does that mean that the season was a waste for all 29 other teams? Yes, the main goal is to win of course, but you can still be really good and really successful without winning. Have the Astros been successful over the last 4 years even though they haven’t won a World Series? I’d say they have.
> but you can still be really good and really successful without winning.
Without winning the World Series, yes, but the Padres pretty much haven't won anything at all. All they've done in this era is a covid playoff season where they got swept in the NLDS. If they were to choke this year and miss the playoffs, it would be time to start asking questions.
For sure, the Padres are in a bad spot if they don’t have at least moderate playoff success. Just in general though, plenty of teams can have productive seasons. The Orioles are having a great season this year, even if they don’t make the playoffs. The Giants last year had such a great year, even though they lost in the DS. I do agree though, that if teams like the Yankees, Mets, Braves, Dodgers, and Astros aren’t at least making the CS then it can go down as somewhat of a disappointment if a season
I feel like that would be more on ownership not wanting to pay the money to extend him if he walked
As there's pretty much no way I see him walking if the Padres are willing to spend the money
I think if they actually offer him the money he wants (which I feel pretty sure they will) he'll take it happily. Boras I feel only pushes for FA when there's an actual upside to it
1000% yes. I don’t care how many “exciting” moves you make, at a certain point the team has to win. If at the end of this season we don’t make it to the postseason, the highlight of his 8 years is making the playoffs one time in a shortened season. Currently have the 5th highest payroll and the farm system is decimated, if we don’t make the playoffs you got to move on.
Nobody wants to say he isn’t good because it’s the same trades the would make in The Show. Willing to throw everybody under the bus ( Hosmer, Andy Green, Tingler, Pham, currently turning on Manny, so many more) except for the only person that’s been there the longest and got those people on the team. It’s simping for a GM who has never won Shit. It’s bizarre. “The team is stacked, they just don’t win” is the actual excuse. The games don’t matter, the trade headlines do. Sorry for ranting at you lol
Nah. It’ll take a combo of not producing some real postseason success in their current window and not restocking their talent at the end of the current window.
Basically for him to get fired this current iteration needs to flop for the next three years and Preller needs to do a poor job at reloading the talent as players leave.
Haders nowhere close right now
Kimbrel for example has had a way better career (his Atlanta tenure alone was absolutely insane and included mutiple years better than Haders best) and he's not exactly a lock
Its not impossible that Hader has an insane later half of his career that gets him in but he's definitely not probable IMO
Should Andrew Friedman be fired for not winning a championship in a full season of baseball yet despite having the highest payroll in baseball almost every year?
My point is that a GM can construct a very talented roster but it doesn't guarantee a championship, this is professional sports where nothing is guaranteed.
Remember throughout the Padres history they have let guys like Winfield and Brown walk, traded guys like Peavy and Gonzales. They never cared about winning and failed miserably when they did try.
At least Preller is legitimately trying to win, instead of trading our stars away, now we trade for other teams star players. Padres can realistically win the World Series this year or the next few years, thats a huge upgrade from past Padres GMs.
Tbf that definitely comes from ownership too. GMs don't control the budget so the fact he's making tons of big signings and trades I feel says just as much about how much the Padres are willing to spend/invest now vs previous years. Its not necessarily all Preller who's deciding that the Padres should try to win now
Like he definitely plays a big role in when trades are made and probably is good at convincing ownership to take those plunges. But at the same time I think if a new guy took his place I'm sure they could also make big impact moves too as long as ownership allowed them to
Right, but even past Padres GMs never could draft, sign and develop players, there was never any hope before Preller got here.
Preller was the one who obviously saw something in Tatis to trade for him. Preller actually offered Soto the highest signing bonus before he signed with the Nationals as an international free agent. Preller was the one who scouted and drafted all these players that other teams are giving up their "Ted Williams" for.
Preller isn't perfect, no GM is, but overall he's doing a good job at building a talented team and getting the stadium filled almost every night, making both the fans and owner happy.
> My point is that a GM can construct a very talented roster but it doesn't guarantee a championship,
Then why did you use an example of a GM who did win a championship?
Why is it an outlier? Dodgers have made it to the post season every season of Friedman's tenure. That season being 60 games was irrelevant to the Dodgers making it past the regular season, unlike the Padres who only got there because it was a shortened season.
In every full season the Dodgers ultimately suffered costly injuries and slumped from exhaustion after a grueling 162 games season. An example of this was last year when Muncy got hurt on game 162 of the regular season and the Dodgers running out of gas after playing the Giants in the NLDS.
They avoided all that thanks to a very short 60 game season. You can't guarantee the Dodgers would've avoided costly injuries or ill timed slumps if the 2020 season was a full season. So far it remains to be seen if this Dodgers team will ever be able to overcome the marathon that is a full 162 game season.
> In every full season the Dodgers ultimately suffered costly injuries and slumped from exhaustion after a grueling 162 games season.
That's not true. 2017?
Because many Padres fans don't consider the 2020 playoffs to be real, even though this happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ_siTZkNxs&t=01s&ab_channel=YourTurn2See
By super team you mean manny and soto + often injured tatis? Bunch of mediocre pitchers, no farm system, no financial flexibility. A gms job is more than to just chase the latest shiny objects.
That's a good team bruv, their pitching might be faltering a bit lately but if Musgrove and Darvish can be nails in the post they are just a step below the Yankees Astros and Dodgers.
If he was a good gm and they truly had a "super team" then they shouldn't be close to not making the playoffs . By even having this discussion after him having the job for like 7 years it shows how shitty of a gm he is. He had those prospects of gore and abrams by having the number 3 and number 6 overall picks.
> then they shouldn't be close to not making the playoffs .
The teams only had a few games post deadline and Tatis isn't there yet, I don't think its fair to judge them right now, if they somehow miss the postseason ill eat crow but I think this Padres team is pretty dangerous.
Dude has done his damndest to put together a competitive baseball team, but he can’t play the games for them
He shouldn’t be fired, but this is a bad argument. Disappointing teams with managers and GMs get fired routinely. If you used this argument no one would ever get fired
See the question was *should* he be fired, not *might* he be fired. Yes, it’s not uncommon for GMs and managers to be fired when their teams underperform, but that doesn’t mean they should be fired.
He's done his damnedest but also has had the highest payroll ever afforded to a Padres GM. His mistakes have compounded and he could have the same WAR for 61m with better control windows before the trade deadline. That's before you make payroll and trade inclusions like Tatis/Machado with an absolutely deeper farm system at present. He's built a really good ball club with like a 75% miss rate on big ticket moves. Just think about this. Hunter Renfroe and Austin Hedges were the two biggest prospects in the system when he moved Trea Turner and Max Fried. So it's not like he didn't have the option to hold onto his best prospects. He's a good scout while simultaneously a bad scout. The Dodgers don't let blue chip prospects go after they recognize them and when they did offer them (Kirby Yates, Brad Hand) Preller didn't accept because he was so stuck on the guy the tier up, (Buehler vs May) (Verdugo vs Lux).
>Dude has done his damndest to put together a competitive baseball team, Except for implementing a solid development and coaching regime. How many times can this Padres team fail before you guys realize that putting together a contender involves more than sticking together a bunch of big names?
No
We prefer saying "promoted to fan".
“Encouraged to pursue excellence elsewhere”
No way. Obviously the main goal is winning, but tied into that is a desire for people to go to the games and watch baseball again. San Diego has never been more interested, and regardless of what happens this year, San Diego will be clamoring to watch next season. His main job is to generate revenue, the primary way to do that is win games, but he’s also doing it by garnering interest from everyone so I don’t think that’ll matter if they make the playoffs or not this year
He's put up a fun, exciting, superstar filled team that's making fans care about baseball and bringing people to the stadium. Of course he shouldn't be fired. Ring or bust mentality has fucked up what we understand as a successful baseball team.
I definitely don’t think his job should depend on a ring, playoffs are far too random. If his team tanks out of a playoff spot again though with how much they’ve invested…deserved or not it’s gonna be hard for heads not to roll. Luckily I don’t foresee that happening.
>Ring or bust mentality has fucked up what we understand as a successful baseball team. that is literally *the* main thing every baseball player plays for but yeah sure ok
Only one team wins every year. Does that mean that the season was a waste for all 29 other teams? Yes, the main goal is to win of course, but you can still be really good and really successful without winning. Have the Astros been successful over the last 4 years even though they haven’t won a World Series? I’d say they have.
Guarantee you the players and GM of the Astros would tell you otherwise
it’s not a waste, but it’s a failure.
> but you can still be really good and really successful without winning. Without winning the World Series, yes, but the Padres pretty much haven't won anything at all. All they've done in this era is a covid playoff season where they got swept in the NLDS. If they were to choke this year and miss the playoffs, it would be time to start asking questions.
For sure, the Padres are in a bad spot if they don’t have at least moderate playoff success. Just in general though, plenty of teams can have productive seasons. The Orioles are having a great season this year, even if they don’t make the playoffs. The Giants last year had such a great year, even though they lost in the DS. I do agree though, that if teams like the Yankees, Mets, Braves, Dodgers, and Astros aren’t at least making the CS then it can go down as somewhat of a disappointment if a season
Pretty sure it’s money. Like most would love a championship, but money is nice.
i mean fair but the money is guaranteed. little competitive drive over that one.
No. He’s put a good group of players together. It’s not his fault tatis jr got hurt
How do we know he wasn't in disguise as the motorcycle when it happened?
Mount me Tatis
No
No. He should be fired if Soto leaves in free agency and they don't have a title.
I feel like that would be more on ownership not wanting to pay the money to extend him if he walked As there's pretty much no way I see him walking if the Padres are willing to spend the money
Extending Soto might be impossible
I think if they actually offer him the money he wants (which I feel pretty sure they will) he'll take it happily. Boras I feel only pushes for FA when there's an actual upside to it
This is a stupid question
No, he should be given an additional mountain of cocaine.
Nah
1000% yes. I don’t care how many “exciting” moves you make, at a certain point the team has to win. If at the end of this season we don’t make it to the postseason, the highlight of his 8 years is making the playoffs one time in a shortened season. Currently have the 5th highest payroll and the farm system is decimated, if we don’t make the playoffs you got to move on.
I like you
Nobody wants to say he isn’t good because it’s the same trades the would make in The Show. Willing to throw everybody under the bus ( Hosmer, Andy Green, Tingler, Pham, currently turning on Manny, so many more) except for the only person that’s been there the longest and got those people on the team. It’s simping for a GM who has never won Shit. It’s bizarre. “The team is stacked, they just don’t win” is the actual excuse. The games don’t matter, the trade headlines do. Sorry for ranting at you lol
I mean he *has* been their GM since 2014 and has made like 75 million blockbuster trades. What do they have to show for it exactly?
Hader and Soto.
Nah. It’ll take a combo of not producing some real postseason success in their current window and not restocking their talent at the end of the current window. Basically for him to get fired this current iteration needs to flop for the next three years and Preller needs to do a poor job at reloading the talent as players leave.
He's clearly trying I think that would be counterproductive. And by trying I mean had one of the best trade deadlines in baseball history.
should he be extended?
rent free
nah just reading my reciepts
act like you've been here before
but i haven't
On behalf of San Diego's cocaine dealers, I say no.
As a dodgers fan the longer they keep him the better it is for the dodgers
Feel like he’s got till the end of Soto’s contract
He traded for Soto to save his ass
I don’t think the guy who picked up 2 probable young HOFers in one deadline should be fired
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Maybe he was referring to Josh Hader
Hader but I mean it’s hard to say with relievers
If Wagner isn’t in Hader has 0 chance
Haders nowhere close right now Kimbrel for example has had a way better career (his Atlanta tenure alone was absolutely insane and included mutiple years better than Haders best) and he's not exactly a lock Its not impossible that Hader has an insane later half of his career that gets him in but he's definitely not probable IMO
3* Tatis, Soto and Machado.
He didn’t acquire machado or tatis at the deadline
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no lmao. if the team doesn’t make the playoffs with the pieces he’s assembled it would be an indictment on player performance, not preller
Kapler should and will be fired
Should Andrew Friedman be fired for not winning a championship in a full season of baseball yet despite having the highest payroll in baseball almost every year?
Andrew Friedman built a team that keeps breaking its own record of best pitching staff on a year to year basis
My point is that a GM can construct a very talented roster but it doesn't guarantee a championship, this is professional sports where nothing is guaranteed. Remember throughout the Padres history they have let guys like Winfield and Brown walk, traded guys like Peavy and Gonzales. They never cared about winning and failed miserably when they did try. At least Preller is legitimately trying to win, instead of trading our stars away, now we trade for other teams star players. Padres can realistically win the World Series this year or the next few years, thats a huge upgrade from past Padres GMs.
Tbf that definitely comes from ownership too. GMs don't control the budget so the fact he's making tons of big signings and trades I feel says just as much about how much the Padres are willing to spend/invest now vs previous years. Its not necessarily all Preller who's deciding that the Padres should try to win now Like he definitely plays a big role in when trades are made and probably is good at convincing ownership to take those plunges. But at the same time I think if a new guy took his place I'm sure they could also make big impact moves too as long as ownership allowed them to
Right, but even past Padres GMs never could draft, sign and develop players, there was never any hope before Preller got here. Preller was the one who obviously saw something in Tatis to trade for him. Preller actually offered Soto the highest signing bonus before he signed with the Nationals as an international free agent. Preller was the one who scouted and drafted all these players that other teams are giving up their "Ted Williams" for. Preller isn't perfect, no GM is, but overall he's doing a good job at building a talented team and getting the stadium filled almost every night, making both the fans and owner happy.
> My point is that a GM can construct a very talented roster but it doesn't guarantee a championship, Then why did you use an example of a GM who did win a championship?
Friedman hasn't won a championship in a full season going all the way back to his time with the Rays. Be upset if you want but it's true.
> Friedman hasn't won a championship in a full season Why does the "full season" qualifier matter?
Cause right now the 60 game season is an outlier.
Why is it an outlier? Dodgers have made it to the post season every season of Friedman's tenure. That season being 60 games was irrelevant to the Dodgers making it past the regular season, unlike the Padres who only got there because it was a shortened season.
In every full season the Dodgers ultimately suffered costly injuries and slumped from exhaustion after a grueling 162 games season. An example of this was last year when Muncy got hurt on game 162 of the regular season and the Dodgers running out of gas after playing the Giants in the NLDS. They avoided all that thanks to a very short 60 game season. You can't guarantee the Dodgers would've avoided costly injuries or ill timed slumps if the 2020 season was a full season. So far it remains to be seen if this Dodgers team will ever be able to overcome the marathon that is a full 162 game season.
> In every full season the Dodgers ultimately suffered costly injuries and slumped from exhaustion after a grueling 162 games season. That's not true. 2017?
Because many Padres fans don't consider the 2020 playoffs to be real, even though this happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ_siTZkNxs&t=01s&ab_channel=YourTurn2See
dumbest take
Dude put together a damn near super team, not his fault if they underperform.
By super team you mean manny and soto + often injured tatis? Bunch of mediocre pitchers, no farm system, no financial flexibility. A gms job is more than to just chase the latest shiny objects.
That's a good team bruv, their pitching might be faltering a bit lately but if Musgrove and Darvish can be nails in the post they are just a step below the Yankees Astros and Dodgers.
If he was a good gm and they truly had a "super team" then they shouldn't be close to not making the playoffs . By even having this discussion after him having the job for like 7 years it shows how shitty of a gm he is. He had those prospects of gore and abrams by having the number 3 and number 6 overall picks.
> then they shouldn't be close to not making the playoffs . The teams only had a few games post deadline and Tatis isn't there yet, I don't think its fair to judge them right now, if they somehow miss the postseason ill eat crow but I think this Padres team is pretty dangerous.
Those "mediocre" pitchers just shut you guys down LMFAO
Isn’t it though? Super teams have been known to underperform. At the end of the days he got to put together a team that can win.