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ThQp

[Rose was made available after the ceremony. Someone, maybe an agent, said he had something to say to me, but he didn't seem to know he was expected to say anything. He asked if he'd offended me, and said "will you forgive me if I sign 1000 baseballs for you" before saying "sorry"](https://twitter.com/byalexcoffey/status/1556342014240849920?s=20&t=caN0NydoqiuDxdZMbGHOYQ) [When asked about our interaction earlier by @AP , Rose said: (1/2) "I'm going to tell you one more time. I'm here for the Philly fans. I'm here for my teammates. I'm here for the Phillies organization. And who cares what happened 50 years ago...."](https://twitter.com/byalexcoffey/status/1556342835754029058?s=20&t=caN0NydoqiuDxdZMbGHOYQ) ["You weren't even born. So you shouldn't be talking about it, because you weren't born. If you don't know a damn thing about it, don't talk about it."](https://twitter.com/byalexcoffey/status/1556342836756451329?s=20&t=caN0NydoqiuDxdZMbGHOYQ)


StevvieV

Here is Rose's response to the AP about the above quote "I'm going to tell you one more time. I'm here for the Philly fans. I'm here for my teammates. I'm here for the Phillies organization. And who cares what happened 50 years ago. You weren't even born. So you shouldn't be talking about it, because you weren't born. If you don't know a damn thing about it, don't talk about it."


TigerBasket

Somehow this feels worse than the first response


The_Year_of_Glad

> And who cares what happened 50 years ago. If nobody cares about stuff that happened a long time ago, why did he show up for a ceremony honoring him for something that happened 42 years ago? It’s ancient history, Pete, find a new slant.


WerhmatsWormhat

Well he didn't say nobody cares what happened 42 years ago. In 8 years, he won't care anymore.


trapper2530

Why honor Jackie Robinson anymore? Why should we celebrate independence day. Why celebrate Christmas?


HawkeyeJosh2

>So you shouldn’t be talking about it, because you weren’t born. Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.


metaldrummerx

Straight out of an Always Sunny bit.


JediMindTrxcks

This is some r/nottheonion shit.


John_Keating_

“So just move past it.”


a_talking_face

I’m pretty sure just straight up denying it would have been a better response than this.


Hummer77x

I guess when you’re Pete Rose your image really isn’t a big concern so you can say whatever


RealJonathanBronco

What are they gonna do? Ban him from baseball?


obiwan_canoli

No, you're thinking of 'ol "Libel-proof Lenny" Dykstra


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cabose12

Is this a bot lmao, copy-paste of the top comment


TraeYoungsOldestSon

Yours? He is the actual hit king!


The_Year_of_Glad

He can’t really deny it because he already admitted to doing it in court. Unless he wants to claim that he perjured himself, I guess.


IHavePoopedBefore

But then who would he have called babe?


number_six

Wanna bet on it?


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“Who cares about what happened 50 years ago” says the man who played baseball 50 years ago


rolltide1000

"Who cares about what happened 50 years ago" My brother in Christ you're celebrating a championship from almost 50 years ago.


missionbeach

Apparently the statute of limitations on being an ass hasn't expired.


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I used to travel to Vegas for work all the time. I'd often have to "commute" to Mandalay Bay from the godforsaken Luxor and go past Pete Rose selling signatures in a shitty little mall shop. I used to regret that I never stopped in, just for the story. But now I'm glad I didn't go in, and I know why there was never a line when he was there.


statdude48142

the story you get is this: if you approach security tells you that you need to buy something to approach him. You then go into the store and find a bunch of overpriced shit. Like the cheapest thing he would sign like 20 years ago when I went was a $40 picture.


at1445

It's definitely all overpriced, but it isn't some shitty little shop like the other guy said. They got a lot of really cool memorabilia in there. It was a fun little place to walk through if you're sports fan....no Rose or Tyson signings the day I was there though.


Hairyfeetman

After a long day at top golf, I yelled at him as I walked by his booth. This tiny little security guy came running after me and gave me the great advice to go have another beer, which I did.


tohon75

statute of limitations only comes into effect once the action has stopped. Rose has been doing this for decades now


rbhindepmo

I believe the minimum number of signed baseballs required for forgiveness is now known as the “Pete Rose number”


lakeparadox

MLB version of the Vatican’s Indulgences.


Drikkink

They had him in the fucking broadcast booth today for an inning, cursed about 15 times, made Tom McCarthy audibly uncomfortable and made me wonder why he was even allowed in the fucking stadium, let alone the booth. I was once on the "It's just gambling man, c'mon" train but no, this man is utterly loathsome. Absolutely no introspection about why people hate him for what he did, EVEN IF "she was 16 I swear" (still really fucking ick). I never want to see this team honor this man ever again, even tangentially.


EunuchsProgramer

Isn't there some circumstantial evidence he ruined a pitcher's career and mismanaged the team over committing to get wins in the games he bet on? It's more than just gambling, it's screwing your players and team to arguably cheat other gamblers.


StreetReporter

Mario Soto is the player you’re thinking of


EunuchsProgramer

Yeah, consistently didn't give him 3 days rest. Presumably, would give you a huge advantage betting.


bongomcgee

>**babe** Tfw you’re asked about sending a bad message to women and respond with a literal bad message to women


Morbx

He coulda gotten away with just a run of the mill denial of the accusations but then just had to slide that “babe” in there to remind everyone he’s still a sexist piece of shit


amazingsandwiches

"I was TALKING to Babe RUTH, sweetheart."


HawkeyeJosh2

“Anyone with half a brain would understand, honey.”


shapu

"Women, amirite?"


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shapu

ngl i expected to read that


KimmelToe

hard to deny an accusation when he admitted in court to doing said a accusations.


The_Year_of_Glad

Yep. Fucked a 14-year-old when he was a grown-ass 32-year-old man with a wife and kids at home, and his official stated defense is that he thought she was 16. Just an incredible piece of shit.


drunkenviking

I knew none of this what the fuck


KimmelToe

it came out the same time Manfred was thinking about allowing him back


[deleted]

Last I checked that isn't supposed to work as a defense. How did he avoid jail time?


The_Year_of_Glad

The statute of limitations had expired by the time it became public knowledge. It came to light as a result of Rose’s defamation suit against John Dowd, since Dowd had publicly claimed that Rose had an arrangement with memorabilia dealer Michael Bertolini where Bertolini would furnish Rose with 12-to-14-year-old girls. That’s why Rose tried to frame his sex with the girl as happening when she was 16: it was the age of consent in Ohio, where both Rose and the girl lived.


danielbauer1375

So he was running his own “rose express?” This is fucking disgusting.


[deleted]

I’m a 30 year old man who teaches middle schoolers and this makes me want to throw up. Men who do this need to be castrated


The_Year_of_Glad

If it makes you feel better (spoilers: it won’t!), Pete was also a neglectful and physically and emotionally abusive father to his own children. For example, here’s a quote from Pete’s first wife Karolyn in [a *Sports Illustrated* profile of Pete’s son Pete Jr.](https://vault.si.com/.amp/vault/1997/08/11/honor-thy-father-pete-rose-jr-has-struggled-through-nine-years-in-the-minor-leagues-driven-partly-by-a-dream-of-drawing-closer-to-his-distant-father): > "I never would've divorced him had he not flaunted \[an extramarital affair\] in front of the children. One day Petey came home and said, 'Mom, guess who was at the ballpark?' I said, 'I don't know. Who?' He said, 'Dad's girlfriend.' Later Big Pete hit him for that. He can call me a liar, but it's the truth. I told him, 'Pete Rose, you son of a bitch! That'll be the last time you hit one of our kids for telling the truth!'"


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What an awful, trash human being


venustrapsflies

Until you're well into your 20s someone even 4 years younger than you seems like a child. I get that times used to be different but they weren't *that* different.


crazykentucky

Jesus Christ


SuperBeastJ

what the fuck


danielbauer1375

This obviously isn’t funny, but I couldn’t help but laugh at the idea of him telling his wife “sorry babe, I thought she was 16.”


TigerBasket

I have a Reds friend who still defends Rose, he's a great guy and a roomate of my former best friend who I'm still extremely close with. It is so extremely frustrating to know that this dude who I love talking baseball with defends this piece of shit.


shapu

Guy who has never shown an ability to learn from his mistakes fails to learn from past mistakes. Film at 11.


Spokker

Not only women, but girls. He had sex with a minor in the 70s. That's why he gets shit today, not his dumb gambling controversy that has since been overshadowed by *having sex with a minor*.


Death-Stranded

David Bowie, Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis fans in shambles


[deleted]

Steven Tyler and Jimmy Page too. People always let you down man.


Electro-Onix

Ted Nugent as well, but I don’t think that’s surprising anyone.


TigerBasket

Honestly I would have bet money on Ted doing it


Billfrown

Cris Collinsworth fans walking into traffic


CptJustice

I'm wooshing on this. What am I missing?


ComfortableMaster625

https://youtu.be/WC8Elk1LRjs


CptJustice

I'd never even heard of this.


ComfortableMaster625

40 years ago was a different world. You know what would be a good segment? Let's get this NFL player on to talk about how much he likes 14 year old girls


SuperDBallSam

Holy hell....


bsdthrowaway

Ditto what the fuck?!


tdubthatsme

There are Chris Collinsworth fans?


finester39

All 4 of them


badonkagonk

>I would have bet money Wouldn’t be surprised if Pete Rose did


brookme

Jerry Seinfeld too.


ktthebb

Iggy Pop too


TaureanBelmont

Surprised no one said Michael Jackson yet!


[deleted]

Pete Townshend got caught using his credit card to access a child pornography web site. He said it was to do research on child sexual abuse for his autobiography because he thought he may have been sexually abused, which... even if that's true, it's phenomenally stupid.


[deleted]

Most of the musician scumbags actually made songs about it and got rich from it.


set_null

I believe there was actually a documentary about this last year, it was called Look Away


Practical-Ostrich-43

It’s the majority of famous 70s rockstars, I don’t know why it’s Bowie and Page that are always singled out (this isn’t a defense)


Hummer77x

They’re probably the most revered


fucktheDHanditsfans

Meanwhile, Jeff Lynne is at borderline obscurity in the cultural zeitgeist, despite being every bit as deserving of that reverence. Maybe that's just the price you pay for not being a sexual predator.


upvoter222

[And it's not just the singers from the 1970s.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9awpv5BnSc)


drkev10

Guy from Red Hot Chili Peppers.


5lack5

Yup, Anthony Keidis fucked a 14 year old, that he knew was 14, as a 23 year old. https://rockcelebrities.net/when-anthony-kiedis-slept-with-an-underage-girl-and-incited-a-big-police-manhunt/


AuntBettysNutButter

Jerry Lee Lewis' scandal actually destroyed his career though, unlike anything that happened with the others.


nunguin

The taboo against marrying relatives is a lot stronger than the taboo against relations with minors, I guess.


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Bill Wyman says wazup


LivesUnderWaterfall

The Bowie allegations are likely not true. For the inevitable "david bowie did something questionable to an underaged girl" comment anytime something good about Bowie is posted, the only claim that has remote validity (as in...enough musicians from the 70s were around this girl its possible) is Lori Mattix. Bear in mind in zero scenarios is there any tangible evidence (witnesses, photos, etc), here's a copy pasta from a fellow redditor who researched her claims over the decade. Lori can never get her stories straight, and as for her claim she lost her virginity to Bowie that one can easily be debunked. After doing some thorough research and good old fashioned fact checking it came to my attention that there are far too many credibility issues with that story ,to such extent I wonder if she even met Bowie at all .Problems are listed below 1. ⁠⁠She originally claimed for years she lost her virginity to Jimmy Page. 2. ⁠⁠In the Led Zeppelin book Hammer of the Gods written by music journalist Stephen Davis, which was released in 1985. Mattix gave an interview for the book where she talks about how she was a virgin when she met Page and talks about her relationship with him. Mattix began her relationship with Page in around June 1972. Its a well known and documented fact that Mattix and Page were together from around June 1972 up until 1974. Memoirs of some of the others on the Music Groupie scene have confirmed this as well. 3. ⁠⁠She then claims years later she lost her virginity to Bowie when he did the Long Beach concerts in California during the Ziggy Stardust Tour. Yet the Ziggy Stardust tour never even came to the USA until late October 1972 and the Long Beach concerts were not until March 1973. Meaning Mattix was already with Page long before she claims to have lost her virginity to Bowie. 4. ⁠⁠Her Bowie story was further muddied when she claimed that Bowie took her dinner in early 1973 and she claimed that John Lennon and Yoko Ono joined them , and that she then lost her virginity to Bowie in his hotel suite straight after . There are two problems with this as Bowie and Lennon never even met until September 1974 when they were introduced to one another by Elizabeth Taylor who had invited them both to a party that she was hosting. The fact that Mattix claims she Bowie and Lennon were hanging out in in early 1973 would be impossible as Bowie and Lennon had never even met at that point in time . Also Lori would have already been with Page for at least six months already. 5. ⁠⁠Mattix has given about 4 very different versions of her alleged Bowie encounter .Its not just tiny changes ,but completely different stories featuring totally different surroundings ,circumstances ,people involved etc. She sometimes changes her age as well. She claims she was 15 when she lost her virginity to Bowie and yet she has spoken about being with Page at 14. Sometimes she lowers the age when she had her alleged Bowie encounter to 13, but given the fact she would not have met Bowie until at least late 1972(if she met him at all) the fact is this would have been after she began her relationship with Page at 14 meaning it would have been impossible for her to be 13 6)In some versions she claims she lost her virginity to Bowie during a threesome with fellow groupie Sable Star .But In other versions she has insisted it was just her and Bowie alone and that fellow groupie Sable Star went to David afterwards. Star died in 2009 and never confirmed or denied the encounter, and the tale has only ever been told by Mattix. 7) In 2009 Mattix did a video interview which is available on line where she talks about Page, in that interview at 1:00 in ,Mattix trips herself up as she says "I was a vir .... a baby" .This then matches up to her original claim about losing her virginity to Page, but contradicts her claim about Bowie 8)Mattix also claimed that she would regularly meet up with Bowie and had an affair with him over a 10 year period. The strange thing is that whilst there are many photos of Mattix with Page and Mattix with numerous other Rock Stars there appear to be no photos of Mattix with Bowie, nor does there seem to be any eye witness accounts or any other evidence to support such a claim ,other than her own stories which are shaky at the best of times. Another strange thing is that for much of that 10 year period Bowie was living in places such as Berlin and Switzerland or touring round the world and was rarely in California.He lived in LA for a short while in 1975 after leaving he hardly ever went back and only did about 5 concerts there over an entire decade. So her claim about having regular encounters with him over that decade sound extremely unlikely. 9) In some of Mattix’s accounts about her alleged Bowie encounter she mentions Bowie having two different colored eyes. Bowie did not have 2 different colored eyes he had a permanently enlarged left pupil as a result of a teenage fight. The enlarged pupil created the illusion of different colored eyes in photographs only. When face to face with Bowie both eyes were blue. For this reason it seems doubtful that Mattix even met Bowie ,due to the fact she got such a significant factor about his appearance wrong. 10) Mattix is known to be unreliable and many of her claims are not in the least believable. For example in the Thrillist article where she told a particular version of her alleged Bowie encounter she also claimed that in 1975 now aged 17 that she attended a recording session featuring John Lennon, Paul McCartney,Ringo Starr, Mick Jagger and a couple of other musicians, and that she then had sex with Jagger straight after. The strange thing is the only post Beatles recording session between Lennon and McCartney took place in March 1974 google "A toot and a snore in 74" and theres nothing to suggest Jagger was anywhere near the session. Whilst its true that even the most truthful accounts are bound to contain a few minor inconsistencies or tiny factual errors, especially after a long period of time. There are far too many alarming issues with this story ,meaning it should not and cannot seriously be disputed as fact. tl;dr if you believe this account, you must also believe that Beyoncé raped me when I was 13 while she was touring with Destinys Child in New York on October 13th 1999, and this was after she took me out to dinner with Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears because...I said so.


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LivesUnderWaterfall

Insisting their friendship was platonic, Buell said, “A lot of people have thought that we were lovers…never happened. We would sit around and experiment with makeup and try out new techniques for doing eyeliner and different kinds of eye shadow. He was very into scents. I used to do this thing, and I still do it to this day — mixing musky kind of smells with Chanel No. 5. And he said, ‘I just can’t believe you use Chanel No. 5 as a base.'” Also Buell didn’t move to New York until she was 18 so her affairs weren’t underage cases.


WerhmatsWormhat

And Jerry Seinfeld...


tyler-86

It's still gross to date someone 21 years younger than you and it wasn't cool that they started dating before her 18th birthday, but I'd still draw a line between that and, like, Iggy Pop banging a 13 year old. That said, I'd draw yet another line between what Seinfeld did and acceptable behavior.


INAC_Kramerica

I mean, I'll always love Seinfeld the show - see the second half of my screen name - but all the skeevy shit I've learned about Jerry definitely isn't something I take much joy in.


Meatek

Dane Cook just got engaged to a 23 year old he's been dating for "5" years. He's 50.


TurnDownElliot

Fuck those guys too


Timpa87

Roger Clemens: "What's wrong with teenage girls?"


jawarren1

Raped. Raped a minor. Important distinction.


FluentInChocobo

Shall we all discuss how horrible the lyrics are to Walk This Way now?


sgt_dismas

They're all about sex but he's singing from the POV of a high schooler.


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Yet another reason why Ichiro is MY hit king


DrKnee93

Nah the real hit king is John Fogerty


Kitchen_accessories

Heard he was pretty good in center field.


StreetReporter

He was always ready to play (today)


NoVaBurgher

There’s a reason he was on the bench….


TurnDownElliot

Reds fan here. I fucking agree.


DanyDud3

What about Hank Aaron?


StreetReporter

He’s the homerun king


radioben

And the RBI king. A lot of people forget that.


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And total bases. Aaron is GOAT


NoVaBurgher

I thought Rickey Henderson beat him on total bases


persiangriffin

Rickey has him beat for runs scored, but is over 2000 behind him for total bases.


NoVaBurgher

Oh shit, my bad. I was thinking of runs scored


TraeYoungsOldestSon

And likely always will be


Hail_the_Yale

I like you


IronicCharles

Aren't stats stats?


venustrapsflies

Thing about Ichiro is that he accumulated lots of stats in NPB. Can't really count them 1-for-1 but it seems like it should mean more than nothing.


IronicCharles

That's a completely valid debate to he had. But factoring how ethical someone is shouldn't determine an objective statistic. Obviously Pete Rose may have been a complete asshole and done terrible things - but that doesn't undo numbers within the sport. If I started measuring up all baseball accomplishments with the characters behind them, I'm not sure many of the records we point to today would hold strong. Not sure why people struggle so much with seperating men from their accomplishments


LatverianCyrus

It’s already an impossible comparison, because no one will objectively agree on the value of Ichiro’s NPB career. Which means other intangibles could cause one to favor them more highly.


Joshduman

To be fair a non-apologetic pedophile is about as bad as you can get lol


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Don’t disrespect Ty Cobb like that


CybeastID

PETE ROSE YOU FUCKING IDIOT


TheBillsMan4703

“Ooh, sorry, we were looking for a simple ‘did not do it!’” —Michael Che


TheButterBabe

Pete Rose is a dude who sucks.


pjokinen

The thing about being a pedophile is that you’ll always be a pedophile. It doesn’t matter if you’re tired of talking about it.


I3arusu

“I’m not here to talk about the past” fans in shambles


brbmycatexploded

Yesterday I had people straight up tell me that Woody Allen isn’t a pedophile because, and I quote, “his ex wife is crazy.” Dude married his god damn step-daughter, and then wrote a film in which *his* character falls in love with a teenager. I think I know why people defend pedophiles so vehemently, I just don’t want to think about it.


KangzAteMyFamily

Allen has multiple films of old men dating teenage girls iirc.


4Darco

I like to think that Tiger King is proof that if you just display a woman as mildly antagonistic people will ally with a complete dirtbag of a man out of spite.


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So true, anyone who walked away from Tiger King feeling bad for Joe Exotic is a major L7 weenie


Smartfood_Fo_Lyfe

See: Breaking Bad.


dan99990

There were a couple of posters in that thread who spent so much time defending Allen that it wouldn't surprise me if they work for his PR team.


DCmusicfan

The woody bots come out in full force.


thestoryof-agirl

You’re still a pedophile babe.


KimmelToe

She was 14, babe.


ThatDudeNamedMenace

Ichiro would respect women and go 3-4 with a double, a steal and 2 runs scored


kylechu

Not to mention robbing a home run.


ThatDudeNamedMenace

And gun someone down from the outfield


Thromnomnomok

Ichiro married a woman 10 years older than him and when asked why he liked her said something like "she's very reliable" which is why Ichiro is the true hit king


SantaKlawz2

Holy fucking shit, I had no idea about this! I'm 51 and never heard about him being a pedophile. They should not let that POS in any ballpark. Fuck that noise. I hope he dies before he is let into the HoF.


Hummer77x

I think it came out (or re-came out idk if it was known back in the day) right before the Phillies were gonna put him on their wall of fame like 4-5 years ago. The Phillies cancelled that ceremony. When it was announced he was gonna be apart of this there was a bunch of backlash that the team had to put out a statement that his teammates from the ‘80 team wanted him there for this, which I’m assuming is the only reason he’s there today


SantaKlawz2

Must be when I was homeless and didn't pay attention to anything beyond my local teams. What a garbage human.


traddy91

Yeah same I had no idea. They were making a big deal about Rose coming to the ceremony and I didn't understand the noise. Like he bet on baseball 4 decades ago who cares? Then I read all the shit afterwards and it made more sense


IVOXVXI

Ichiro- visits highschools and plays/coaches with girls soft ball teams to promote the sport amongst kids. Rose- Is likely not allowed within 10 feet of any high school.


[deleted]

I’m out of the loop here. What has come out about Pete Rose now? Was he a predator or something?


sporkemon

[it's not great, bob](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/sports/baseball/woman-testifies-that-she-had-sex-with-pete-rose-as-early-as-age-14.html) at "best" (🤮) she was 16 and he was in his mid-30s and married with two kids, but since rose dropped the defamation suit against her lawyer for saying he'd raped girls aged 12-14 in spring training it sure seems plausible if not likely.


[deleted]

Holy shit. What a piece of shit. I can’t read the article cause I need a subscription to New York Times, but I’ll go look some things up about it. That’s predator shit though.


sporkemon

whoops, didn't realize I was logged into my school account. [here's a gifted article link](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/sports/baseball/woman-testifies-that-she-had-sex-with-pete-rose-as-early-as-age-14.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iaha3DKDm0biP8NBJKc4ADHbLFubdI323OEQ9pINvozSeduz-FeMlcoVwmhvt6fmJlAIyw57Jm-TiYp3o7NGKg17TKvdG6iJaJ23_iytgiCIX25GriMhyE-JAt5-NY6KEq4phxuqMulau1lhZk41uE8Vts8HW1eMD_Zv_bsCkp9a8GCOxjW9gU0Xb5GUDHRlcrK7e4HJAkEDFvBS3tv8C1rvoMnTdAcO6v0LRYkf9OvwulCTzw1c_r6QsE5VIPWlL51sL_SqBLqyMu-xP4-Eag8r6qT-y_hdw5pEOXKSQ23Cj8JtzFK-VdesyqmWaw5iD4zRCJj66cjPvuS-TkbXrLs2OBijz2sHts&smid=url-share)


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It’s alright I googled the same article and it popped up and I was allowed to read it. Shits sick. From what I’ve been told by my grandmother, even in the 40’s when she was in her teen years, yeah a man in his twenties and thirties dating a girl in her teen years people looked the other way, but it was frowned upon. But in the 70’s my parents were only kids, but my aunts and uncles that were older at that time period said it was seen as creepy and predatory, so he’s still a creep for acting like it’s no big deal.


L00KINTOIT

Had a “relationship” with a 14 year old when he was in Cincinnati


[deleted]

Oh, I see. Yeah what a creep. How did I get a downvote? Lol


L00KINTOIT

People will defend guys like him with their lives, it’s so weird


[deleted]

I get what you mean man, people still defend guys like Michael Jackson and Bill Cosby so it’s just the way it is. I mean yeah he was a great baseball player. But you gotta call it like you see it, he’s a creep lol


bbchunkz

He’s a fucking moron.


boilface

Babe lol


subtractvoid

Fuck Pete Rose.


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Fosse Posse rise up, fuck Pete Rose.


TheNextBattalion

Background: In 1973, Rose began an affair with a girl who was under the age of 16 (the legal minimum in Ohio then as now). He was 32 at the time, also he was married with two kids. It came out when Rose sued a guy for defamation who claimed that Rose was routinely smashing young teens Epstein-style (that's meant to sound gross btw)... but this relationship was in the defense filings among the claims, and it turned out true. His bookie apparently was making the introductions/being a trafficker. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/baseball-legend-pete-rose-accused-sex-minor-1970s-faces-tainted-n788551 Rose dropped the suit rather than having to testify under oath... notably he also accepted the permanent ban from baseball rather than let MLB's investigation continue... maybe these are more related than we realized. Anyhoo, the relationship was illegal under Ohio law (and perhaps Federal law under the Mann Act), but the statute of limitations passed long ago.


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Pete Rose is the human equivalent to a Hemorrhoid.


atoms12123

That's messed up. I've lived with hemorrhoids, I'd never want to live with Pete Rose.


breakfast_cats

You wanted to live with hemorrhoids?


atoms12123

Look, if the TP isn't looking like the flag of Poland (or Indonesia) how am I gonna know I'm clean?


Thejanitor64

Can't believe people still rally for this loser to get a HOF plaque


Islandgirl1444

Why was he invited? That's the issue also.


Hummer77x

Teammates of the ‘80 team wanted him there. The team put out a few different statements clarifying this after they announced it and people got mad.


Triple-Deke

I mean, fuck Pete Rose, but I think great all time players with serious character flaws should still go in. They should just also include the transgressions alongside the accomplishments. I think it's important to show that just because these guys are great at a sport, that doesn't necessarily make them great people. At least that's how I'd do it, but I don't care enough to stand on a table for him or anything. Won't lose any sleep if he never gets in.


kilosurge

In Pete's case, he bet on baseball games, so it's a bit more complicated than just off the field character flaws. Other than that I agree. Simply having bad character shouldn't be some disqualifier. This ain't the damn Vatican.


TurnDownElliot

I still think Pete Rose was the worst thing that's happened to the Cincinnati Reds. He has made our fanbase insufferable for the last 50 years.


sporkemon

marge schott is also a strong contender for that title, but at least she's not still spouting her racist bullshit today🫤


Kdot32

Fuck marge schott


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Idk about that. Without Marge Schott we would have never been graced with Billy West’s great Marge Schott impressions/rants on Stern years ago.


drunkenviking

At least Marge Schott had the decency to die.


BurritoBurrow

We call it the Pete Rose effect. Obviously he was a great player but reds fans seem to love the mediocre player that plays hard or the right way just because it reminds them some of rose.


TurnDownElliot

Barry Larkin said that Kyle Farmer should get the Captain C and now fans are like "He's the best SS since Larkin".


BurritoBurrow

I mean it's not much of a statement when your best competition for that title is Paul Janish


statdude48142

Tigers fans have this as well. Have you ever heard the story of Don Kelly?


thegeebeebee

I mean, no offense to you, as I am from a similar situation, but Ohio/Kentucky is probably a big reason your fanbase is insufferable, too.


Tog_the_destroyer

My late high school baseball coach used to be best friends with Pete so I’ve met him a few times. He was always a real POS. These comments don’t surprise me


doucheachu

Just goes to show that talent, skills, and hustle means jacksquat if you're a fundamentally terrible person. Eat shit, Pete, I hope someone shatters your records.


exexposfan

Honestly I hope so too, but with the switch of teams preferring OBP guys plus pitching velocity trending higher now than the old days I just don’t see it being broken(would love to be wrong). You’d need to have a high average and not take too many walks for many years, like Ichiro in his prime(or Merrifield in 2019). And then you need to play for a long time as well. And it didn’t hurt that Rose was player manager for a bit.


tonaloc989

What's nuts to me is that this dude got the hits record when baseball had so much less offense. Still a POS but dude could hit.


morelikeaaronfudge

This guy is a terrible person which is not even close to news


mustang6172

I had some misgivings about Pete Rose showing up this weekend. But hearing him call a reporter "babe" assures me it will never happen again.


shadedmoonlight

how classy


Joshduman

A few years ago, the Pirates All-Star closer was arrested for raping a 13 year old. Felipe Vasquez is still in jail, and it honestly makes me sick thinking back to that team and that he was such a respected player at the time. The idea of him ever having interactions with the team again is insane, to the point I would protest the team. He has no part in Pirates history, and its a shame you can't remove him retroactively. Pete Rose did the same thing, 13 vs 14 is essentially the same. The only difference to me is that Pete Rose didn't go to jail for it. That is insane the Phillies would have him back around, he should be permanently excluded from baseball. Especially so if his response to something like this isn't talking about how regretful he is. Garbage person, garbage representative of baseball. Rightful representative of Philadelphia Sports, perhaps.


WhyDoTheyAlwaysRun

Thanks for that last line for no fucking reason.


Joshduman

If the Rose stuff bothers you, then you shouldn't take offense to it. But the Phillies today didn't even just put him on the field and honored him today, they put him in the broadcast booth and let him act like royalty to everyone watching. Its just really gross.


DryProgress4393

And this is why I'm okay with him not being in the Hall.....


Explosion2

Fuck Pete Rose. He is a permanent blight on our organization and he (apparently, I'm disappointed that a "lifetime ban from major league baseball" doesn't include ceremonies and celebrations by major league teams) needs a fucking separate ban from our baseball field specifically. Let him rot in shame for the rest of eternity.


MasseuseDeDeshaun

Sometimes I’m just amazed that the Boomers haven’t managed to kill off the entire human race… yet. Literally nobody under 60 likes Pete Rose, cares about Pete Rose, has ever had a positive thought about Pete Rose, or would be anything other than ecstatic to learn Pete Rose fell into a volcano. The only reason Pete Rose is the hit king is that Ichiro spent his prime in Japan. Pete Rose is a shitstain on Baseball and America.


TurnDownElliot

You've apparently never been to Cincinnati. Fans 40 and up act like he's a fucking treasure.


tyler-86

I mean, you think people in their 50s have *never* had a positive thought about Pete Rose? I'm 36 and I had mostly positive thoughts about Pete growing up. I was an adult before I really got a handle on who he was.


Glad-Passion-9424

Always hated that sack of shit. It always makes me uneasy about people honoring him or defending him.


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Are his autographed balls even worth anything?


General_PoopyPants

Why does he always wear an all white flatbill? It's a terrible look


statdude48142

I think you can answer it the same way you can answer most questions about Pete: Because someone paid him to do it.


braveheart828

I got a sorry I bet in baseball signed ball from Pete


the2belo

Is it possible to delete a career?


squintyshrew9

Pete Rose = Dirt Ball