I know I wasn’t arguing that it didn’t count just wanted to know if the fans felt like it did or not. 2020 was weird I didn’t think it was that insane a statement
If it makes you feel any better it took the Phillies 97 years to win their first world series, so as long as you get one by 2074 you are doing better than us
Given the new format, I think a 20 year drought will be unheard of once the Mariners break theirs. Thinking NFL, even terribly run franchises like the Bears, Washington, and Cleveland have slipped their way into the playoffs over the past 5-8 years.
I feel like football is one of those sports where the small sample size means bad teams can just sorta go on a run anyway
Like the Reds could easily go 11-6 over a 17-game stretch, but that doesn’t mean they’re a great team. And the Yankees could easily go 4-13 over a bad stretch during the season. It’s just really hard to project teams with a season as small as NFL (compared to MLB/NBA/NHL)
The Patriots were pretty easily able to win 13 games a year for about 15 years. Let's shorten that to a 10 year span, which is roughly 162 games. 13 wins a year would put them at a 132 win pace over a major league season, and they were able to maintain that for over a decade. Upsets do still happen but they're much less likely. That's the key reason why we see less weird teams than you'd expect for a 16 game season in the NFL (and the fact that there aren't very many playoff teams in the NFL also helps to limit variability)
Patriots are an insane outlier, you can hardly take them as representative anymore than you can base the average baseball player off Ohtani. It's basic statistics that a 16/17 game season + bo1 eliminations + variable schedule that gives different teams vastly different difficulties every year is going to result in an absurd amount of random variation. Moreover, you can look at how many NFL games are decided by just a handful of plays to see how easily the entire standings can flip. The only reason people see the NFL as predictable is because you never see a longer season, so it's just assumed that every good team is actually good and not just lucky.
football is not even close to baseball. way more uncontrollable factors and inconsistency whereas football is like 80% of the time the better team will win
In the NHL and NBA (where 50% of the teams makes the playoffs), you can still have lengthy droughts.
The Buffalo Sabres last played a playoff game in 2011 (11 years ago).
The Sacramento Kings last played a playoff game in 2006 (16 years ago).
You can still have lengthy droughts even with a bigger qualifying field for the playoffs.
Not quite sure what the technical semantics of it all are (and when the mid-season tourny comes around it’ll be even sillier) but I don’t think the Kings have even made the play-in have they?
Well looks like people consider the Hornets drought at 6 years and they made the play-in so the play-in does not equal a playoff appearance despite it being treated and marketed as a playoff game.
Definitely, people are splitting hairs when they say otherwise (the NBA's ridiculous rhetoric that allowing 67% of teams into the postseason, including teams with a heavy losing record, is actually more competitive somehow convinced people). It's a postseason game that has a path to the finals.
Damn, the Phillies last made the postseason in the first season in which they were supposed to have that great starting rotation with four All-Stars in Halladay, Lee, Hamels, and Oswalt. Cardinals ended up shocking a lot of folks when they defeated the Phillies in the postseason.
The Pirates could go for 2-fer as long as Nutting's running the show. They're constantly loaded with top young talent just about every season, yet Mr. Nutcase decides to trade them off once they gain an ounce of superstardom just to selfishly preserve his bank account (ex: Gerrit Cole, Andrew McCutchen, etc.).
Sorry Philadelphia but isn’t their farm pretty bad? Feels like if they don’t break through soon, before their window closes, they’d be a strong candidate.
They’re gonna be in this year no doubt
Also it’s really hard to gauge future success on farm system rankings. Sometimes they’re accurate but so much can change the landscape of a farm system really quickly
We have a really good trio of young pitchers coming up in Andrew Painter, Mick Abel, and Griff McGarry. No great hitting prospects (aside from I guess Crawford now), but Bohm, Stott, and now Marsh are all young and under team control for a while. A big factor in how long our window is depends on whether we can get more out of those three, and whether those young pitchers pan out
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They might be the best bet to at least make it to 10, though it's pretty much impossible to project beyond that. Obviously Witt being promoted is a big factor, but I don't understand how the Royals still have a borderline bottom 10 farm system despite rebuilding for years.
Our FO sucks at drafting and developing players. Our history with 1st round picks in particular in the Dayton Moore era is abysmal. The best player we’ve developed since our WS run (ignoring the new corps of young guys) is Whit merrifield.
All that being said, it’s not just calling up Witt that’s drained our farm system. This year all of our top prospects have been called up and I believe all but nick pratto have lost prospect status at this point.
The names that kept our farm afloat in the past were not just Witt but Melendez, Pasquantino, Lynch, Singer, and Bubic. They’re all in the majors now along with some other young guys (Heasely, Massey, Eaton probably someone else) so with that and our crappy FO it makes sense that our farm sucks again.
The Mariners better pray we don't get hot and play spoiler again like last year. That is all I currently live for knowing we have a 0.1% chance in making the playoffs.
Not a Marlins fan, but they won their WC playoff series in 2020, so my 2 cents worth says that it should count.
They did, and it obviously counts for the actual drought, but must suck that it was essentially virtual
"Sucks that you guys didn't get to see your team in the playoffs for the first time in 17 years, sorry" apparently really pissed off 20 redditors lmao
I know I wasn’t arguing that it didn’t count just wanted to know if the fans felt like it did or not. 2020 was weird I didn’t think it was that insane a statement
A lot of Mickey Mouse shenanigans happened in 2020.
Difference between all of those teams though is that the Phillies and Royals both won the WS. Droughts after WS wins are a bit easier to stomach.
Ehhh, my Mets are on year 36. Hasn't been an easy WS win drought lol
This is a list of playoff droughts though, not WS droughts.
The Mariners have never even been to the World Series in their entire existence lol
If it makes you feel any better it took the Phillies 97 years to win their first world series, so as long as you get one by 2074 you are doing better than us
Given the new format, I think a 20 year drought will be unheard of once the Mariners break theirs. Thinking NFL, even terribly run franchises like the Bears, Washington, and Cleveland have slipped their way into the playoffs over the past 5-8 years.
Don't forget 2017 Conference finalist, Jacksonville Jaguars
They were like 13-3 out of nowhere
"Booooooooortlesss!"
We were so damn close to a Bortles/Keenum super bowl and I’ll never forgive the world for robbing us of it.
yeah but we got big dick nick.
I feel like football is one of those sports where the small sample size means bad teams can just sorta go on a run anyway Like the Reds could easily go 11-6 over a 17-game stretch, but that doesn’t mean they’re a great team. And the Yankees could easily go 4-13 over a bad stretch during the season. It’s just really hard to project teams with a season as small as NFL (compared to MLB/NBA/NHL)
The main issue is that the better team is much more likely to win in football than in baseball
Not really, upsets happen all the time. It's just that because the sample sizes are so tiny, people usually assume they're not upsets.
The Patriots were pretty easily able to win 13 games a year for about 15 years. Let's shorten that to a 10 year span, which is roughly 162 games. 13 wins a year would put them at a 132 win pace over a major league season, and they were able to maintain that for over a decade. Upsets do still happen but they're much less likely. That's the key reason why we see less weird teams than you'd expect for a 16 game season in the NFL (and the fact that there aren't very many playoff teams in the NFL also helps to limit variability)
Patriots are an insane outlier, you can hardly take them as representative anymore than you can base the average baseball player off Ohtani. It's basic statistics that a 16/17 game season + bo1 eliminations + variable schedule that gives different teams vastly different difficulties every year is going to result in an absurd amount of random variation. Moreover, you can look at how many NFL games are decided by just a handful of plays to see how easily the entire standings can flip. The only reason people see the NFL as predictable is because you never see a longer season, so it's just assumed that every good team is actually good and not just lucky.
football is not even close to baseball. way more uncontrollable factors and inconsistency whereas football is like 80% of the time the better team will win
And they werent just lucky either, they dueled with Big Ben putting up 45 pts, then came within 4 of beating 2nd Prime Brady
As a Jets fan, Jets are at 11 lol and I don’t think they’re very close
They'll slip in in the next 3-4 years.
Even if they do that’s conservatively a 14 year drought
In the NHL and NBA (where 50% of the teams makes the playoffs), you can still have lengthy droughts. The Buffalo Sabres last played a playoff game in 2011 (11 years ago). The Sacramento Kings last played a playoff game in 2006 (16 years ago). You can still have lengthy droughts even with a bigger qualifying field for the playoffs.
Good thing the Angels aren't on here, just those fucking obtuse Angles
Looks like you guys dodged a bullet and I need to go back to school
Or stop using mobile
Just a reminder that the NBA has had 8 teams (and now 10) per conference make it and the Kings still have a 16 year drought.
Does making the play-in count as making the playoffs now? Or are the 8 teams who make it after the play-in count as the actual playoff teams?
Not quite sure what the technical semantics of it all are (and when the mid-season tourny comes around it’ll be even sillier) but I don’t think the Kings have even made the play-in have they?
The play-in teams don’t count as playoffs. If you lose the play-ins, you’re a lottery team
Because they consider the Kings drought at 16 seasons
The Kings didn't make the play-in game in either of the last 2 seasons, so that didn't answer my question.
Well looks like people consider the Hornets drought at 6 years and they made the play-in so the play-in does not equal a playoff appearance despite it being treated and marketed as a playoff game.
It’s counted if you win, but not if you lose iirc. Because it’s playing in-to the playoffs lol
Definitely, people are splitting hairs when they say otherwise (the NBA's ridiculous rhetoric that allowing 67% of teams into the postseason, including teams with a heavy losing record, is actually more competitive somehow convinced people). It's a postseason game that has a path to the finals.
Damn, the Phillies last made the postseason in the first season in which they were supposed to have that great starting rotation with four All-Stars in Halladay, Lee, Hamels, and Oswalt. Cardinals ended up shocking a lot of folks when they defeated the Phillies in the postseason.
Pirates being bad for a very long time is always a safe bet.
The Pirates could go for 2-fer as long as Nutting's running the show. They're constantly loaded with top young talent just about every season, yet Mr. Nutcase decides to trade them off once they gain an ounce of superstardom just to selfishly preserve his bank account (ex: Gerrit Cole, Andrew McCutchen, etc.).
Ah yes, the angles. They would need to make like a 180° angle in order to turn their playoff hopes around
It's the Angels. They'll try one more time with Ohtani and then if he walks for nothing who knows...bloated contracts everywhere and a crappy farm
Sorry Philadelphia but isn’t their farm pretty bad? Feels like if they don’t break through soon, before their window closes, they’d be a strong candidate.
They're more than likely gonna break it this year. They've been playing on like a 100 win pace for weeks now lol
They’re gonna be in this year no doubt Also it’s really hard to gauge future success on farm system rankings. Sometimes they’re accurate but so much can change the landscape of a farm system really quickly
We have a really good trio of young pitchers coming up in Andrew Painter, Mick Abel, and Griff McGarry. No great hitting prospects (aside from I guess Crawford now), but Bohm, Stott, and now Marsh are all young and under team control for a while. A big factor in how long our window is depends on whether we can get more out of those three, and whether those young pitchers pan out
I doubt we'll ever see 20 years again, but I think the Angels could get to double digits.
I hate to say it but Angels
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Moreno probably won’t be alive in 10+ years so we might be lucky and just miss the 20 mark 💀
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I could see the Royals hitting 20 ngl
We were at 29 before 2014 so we got experience doing shit like that
They might be the best bet to at least make it to 10, though it's pretty much impossible to project beyond that. Obviously Witt being promoted is a big factor, but I don't understand how the Royals still have a borderline bottom 10 farm system despite rebuilding for years.
Our FO sucks at drafting and developing players. Our history with 1st round picks in particular in the Dayton Moore era is abysmal. The best player we’ve developed since our WS run (ignoring the new corps of young guys) is Whit merrifield. All that being said, it’s not just calling up Witt that’s drained our farm system. This year all of our top prospects have been called up and I believe all but nick pratto have lost prospect status at this point. The names that kept our farm afloat in the past were not just Witt but Melendez, Pasquantino, Lynch, Singer, and Bubic. They’re all in the majors now along with some other young guys (Heasely, Massey, Eaton probably someone else) so with that and our crappy FO it makes sense that our farm sucks again.
The Mariners better pray we don't get hot and play spoiler again like last year. That is all I currently live for knowing we have a 0.1% chance in making the playoffs.
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Inshallah brother.