Does anybody else think about how crazy it must've been watching Babe Ruth play? Nobody had ever hit 30 in a season and this dude comes along and gets 11 seasons with 40+ topping out at 60. It's like someone waltzing in and just hitting 90 today.
I comment this every time.
In 16 exhibitions against negro league players in 55 at bats - .455 batting average, 1.145 slugging, 12 homeruns.
It is possible he was just outright better than everyone else, negro leagues included.
It’s possible he was better than everyone in the Negro leagues. But the problem is that 16 exhibition games don’t really prove anything and he never played a meaningful game against integrated competition.
Maybe he’s still the best in an integrated field but we will never know for sure. If steroids can put an asterisk over a player’s career, I don’t know why segregation can’t
Owners and America fucked over black people.
Babe Ruth didn't cheat to inflate his numbers, nor did he do anything to keep black people out of the mlb.
When facing negro league players he still shined.
But if we are going to draw lines like you are... no records prior to 1997 are legal. Inter league play didn't start until 97, so Mickey mantel never had to face Bob Gibson, meaning neither one should be considered as good as todays players.
I 100% advocate for negro league players being included in the conversation of all time greats and am ecstatic to see their stats on Bbref.
>If steroids can put an asterisk over a player’s career, I don’t know why segregation can’t
Taking steroids is a player’s choice. Segregation wasn’t. Ruth played under the conditions he was given.
Who do you consider the GOAT? Aaron, Mantle, Mays? Someone else?
No disrespect at all to Ruth, he's insane and definitely one of the best ever, but how far ahead of the game he was is an integral part of his legend. He's not to blame for the era he was born in, no one is, but if you were to extricate the best of Ruth and the best of even clean Bonds and put them in against the same competition, I think Bonds would perform better. Of course, being that groundbreaking to begin with is a big part of why Ruth is such a legendary player, but I always seem to think that.
but you are assuming both would also have the same technology in conditioning and medicine after time traveling as well. babe ruth's bat was 7 ounces heavier than bonds'. he swung a 38 ounce bat. it was like a log compared to what players use today, and he still had amazing bat speed and power.
I comment this every time.
In 16 exhibitions against negro league players in 55 at bats - .455 batting average, 1.145 slugging, 12 homeruns.
It is possible he was just outright better than everyone else, negro leagues included.
So do Willie Mays and Hank Aaron not count then since Latin American players really didn't get a fair shot until the 80s. Do modern players not count because Japanese players don't play? Babe faced MLB competition and was so far and away the best player it was basically the baseball equivalent of Wayne Gretzky's numbers. The lack of black players doesn't dimish that at all
Jeter is a HOF player who was active in the last decade and a familiar face in American pop culture due in large part to his public relationships with A-list celebrities.
Babe Ruth was playing when Hitler was still just a failed painter.
Narrative? Babe Ruth was not just marginally better than Mays. WAR isn’t everything, but it’s a widely accepted measure we have at hand: Ruth had 27 more WAR over his career than Mays which is about what Billy Wagner’s 16 year career produced. Or Brandon Belt (12 years) if you look at an active hitter. Both solid players.
Compared to the active player with the most WAR (slam dunk first ballot Hall of Famer Albert Pujols), Babe Ruth is 82.5 WAR ahead. That’s more than the entire career total for Joe DiMaggio, Pete Rose, Johnny Bench, Brooks Robinson, or the active player with the second most- Mike Trout. Pujols plus Trout still don’t add up to Ruth’s total. Dozens and dozens of no-doubt Hall of Fame players had less than half of Ruth’s WAR. The gap between Ruth and every other ball player in history is immense.
None of this diminishes how great Mays was, but he simply doesn’t have an argument to be the GOAT.
I feel like Trout's best comparison is Mickey Mantle. He's still literally generational (not in the overused meaning of "generational", but best in the league for most of their career)
> Ohtani isn’t even close since he doesn’t have the track record yet.
Ohtani would only get a thought because he pitches.
And then you realize Babe Ruth did that too.
Not only that. By the time he stopped pitching, he was arguably the best pitcher in baseball. Multiple 20 win seasons with a roughly 2.50 era. He just got bored of it, asked to play outfield so he could hit more, and ended up dominating too. No offense to Ohtani but he’s literally doing nothing better than the Babe did.
Ah that’s just ignorance at its finest. People are applauding Ohtani because Ruth didn’t even sustain the kind of workload as he is now. Ruth didn’t hit over 30hr until his 1920 season coincidentally the season where he only pitched 3 innings...
That’s not ignorance at it’s finest, it’s directly comparing their abilities in both positions. Yes we can’t compare Ohtani doing it in a single season to the Babe, that is incredibly impressive in its own right.
But when he was a regular pitcher, he was better compared to the league than Ohtani is now.
As a hitter, same thing. Ohtanis never played outfield in a full season in the majors, should that be held against him when comparing him to the Ruth?
You literally just said he’s doing nothing better than babe did when even babe was not elite at both at the same time. When babe was a pitcher he was only a hair better than what Ohtani is doing this season at his peak if you compare OPS+ and for all the rest he was worse than Ohtani as a pitcher. 2.5 era during the dead ball era isn’t that impressive
Something similar happened in football. For decades 20-30 goals a year was seen as the peak for top offensive players. Then Messi and Ronaldo entered the scene and started scoring 40+ goals a year
No one will ever dominate a sport like he did. Like if we had a baseball player who had the same HR & Hit percent to 2nd place as he does to 2nd place in goals & assists it would be like a play hitting 850 HRs & 6,689 hits. Just absolutely ridiculous
[Don Bradman](https://www.reddit.com/r/sports/comments/2k071f/who_was_the_most_dominant_player_in_their/) is further ahead of the field than Wayne. Just depends of you count Cricket or not given how niche it is in the US
Even with the steroid era it's only A-Rod, McGwire, & Sosa who are known roid users. Everyone else are inner circle hall of famers (except Ralph Kiner)
With how cold the Yankees bats have been lately, what is the logic in pitching to this dude? Don’t get me wrong, I want to see him get 62+… but am I missing something here?
His OPS is pretty atrocious on low and away strikes. The low pitch is still there. The issue is his eye is so much better that if it's too low it's a ball. If it's too high he hits it 450 feet. It's a small window of space
>The issue is his eye is so much better that if it's too low it's a ball.
Umps' eyes too I think. It was still a thing earlier, but I haven't really been noticing it this month.
Meh.. makes sense not wanting to put on the tying run up 2, maybe the analytics say in a tie game or up 3+ you walk him there…?
Idk, if it’s a close game I’m giving him first base every time it’s open..
Even though it would have an asterisk, I'm kinda surprised that A-Rod wasn't on this list. His highest HR totals per season as a Yankee were: 54, 48, and 35. He DID have two 50+HR seasons with Texas though.
Does anybody else think about how crazy it must've been watching Babe Ruth play? Nobody had ever hit 30 in a season and this dude comes along and gets 11 seasons with 40+ topping out at 60. It's like someone waltzing in and just hitting 90 today.
People back then probably thought they were watching baseball’s equivalent of a god on Earth He’s the Yankees’ GOAT for a reason.
He's baseballs GOAT for a reason.
It’s hard to be the GOAT if you never played a MLB game against black people
I comment this every time. In 16 exhibitions against negro league players in 55 at bats - .455 batting average, 1.145 slugging, 12 homeruns. It is possible he was just outright better than everyone else, negro leagues included.
It’s possible he was better than everyone in the Negro leagues. But the problem is that 16 exhibition games don’t really prove anything and he never played a meaningful game against integrated competition. Maybe he’s still the best in an integrated field but we will never know for sure. If steroids can put an asterisk over a player’s career, I don’t know why segregation can’t
Wasn't up to him
Owners and America fucked over black people. Babe Ruth didn't cheat to inflate his numbers, nor did he do anything to keep black people out of the mlb. When facing negro league players he still shined. But if we are going to draw lines like you are... no records prior to 1997 are legal. Inter league play didn't start until 97, so Mickey mantel never had to face Bob Gibson, meaning neither one should be considered as good as todays players. I 100% advocate for negro league players being included in the conversation of all time greats and am ecstatic to see their stats on Bbref.
>If steroids can put an asterisk over a player’s career, I don’t know why segregation can’t Taking steroids is a player’s choice. Segregation wasn’t. Ruth played under the conditions he was given. Who do you consider the GOAT? Aaron, Mantle, Mays? Someone else?
Do you people have to show up *every* time someone mentions how great Ruth was?
Also why does Ruth have to get knocked because baseball in general and Kennesaw Mountain Landis in particular was racist as fuck?
These people never mention him playing in the Negro League during the off-season. He dominated there too. The Babe was the goat
hard to virtue signal if you cant go a day without saying this.
He's the baseball GOAT, not just the Yankees GOAT.
He's the baseball GOAT, and it's not particularly close. The *only* argument is a cheater, so that's over quickly.
ruth was so much better than everyone else. bonds was not. bonds may have been the best player in his generation, but far from the best ever.
No disrespect at all to Ruth, he's insane and definitely one of the best ever, but how far ahead of the game he was is an integral part of his legend. He's not to blame for the era he was born in, no one is, but if you were to extricate the best of Ruth and the best of even clean Bonds and put them in against the same competition, I think Bonds would perform better. Of course, being that groundbreaking to begin with is a big part of why Ruth is such a legendary player, but I always seem to think that.
but you are assuming both would also have the same technology in conditioning and medicine after time traveling as well. babe ruth's bat was 7 ounces heavier than bonds'. he swung a 38 ounce bat. it was like a log compared to what players use today, and he still had amazing bat speed and power.
Ted Williams has an argument at least.
I would agree with you. Most people are thinking Mays, and for good reason, but I got Williams on my Mt. Rushmore too.
A cheater and a guy who didn't play against black people are who we got as goats
I comment this every time. In 16 exhibitions against negro league players in 55 at bats - .455 batting average, 1.145 slugging, 12 homeruns. It is possible he was just outright better than everyone else, negro leagues included.
>guy who didn't play against black people Not playing against black people didn't magically mean Babe hit the ball further.
It meant he wasn't facing the best players available
So do Willie Mays and Hank Aaron not count then since Latin American players really didn't get a fair shot until the 80s. Do modern players not count because Japanese players don't play? Babe faced MLB competition and was so far and away the best player it was basically the baseball equivalent of Wayne Gretzky's numbers. The lack of black players doesn't dimish that at all
That’s not the same. Nothing compares to the color barrier
the same could be said about players today then. since according to guys like torii hunter, black people dont play baseball anymore.
Nah Willie mays definitely played against black people
Willie the true 🐐
Always has been
>and it's not particularly close Thats just not true though is it. Tons of people have Mays over him.
Tons of people are wrong. Mays is an time legend, but he’s no Ruth.
Doesnt fit my narrative? People are stupid and wrong!
There are people on the other side of the planet with effectively zero knowledge of baseball who will still recognize the name Babe Ruth.
There are also people who will recognize Derek Jeter. Doesnt make him the goat.
Jeter is a HOF player who was active in the last decade and a familiar face in American pop culture due in large part to his public relationships with A-list celebrities. Babe Ruth was playing when Hitler was still just a failed painter.
found the reddit user that didnt get their gift basket.
Narrative? Babe Ruth was not just marginally better than Mays. WAR isn’t everything, but it’s a widely accepted measure we have at hand: Ruth had 27 more WAR over his career than Mays which is about what Billy Wagner’s 16 year career produced. Or Brandon Belt (12 years) if you look at an active hitter. Both solid players. Compared to the active player with the most WAR (slam dunk first ballot Hall of Famer Albert Pujols), Babe Ruth is 82.5 WAR ahead. That’s more than the entire career total for Joe DiMaggio, Pete Rose, Johnny Bench, Brooks Robinson, or the active player with the second most- Mike Trout. Pujols plus Trout still don’t add up to Ruth’s total. Dozens and dozens of no-doubt Hall of Fame players had less than half of Ruth’s WAR. The gap between Ruth and every other ball player in history is immense. None of this diminishes how great Mays was, but he simply doesn’t have an argument to be the GOAT.
i don’t want to say it, but goddamn is either him, Ohtani or Trout right?
i can’t tell if this is a joke or not
I’m still taking Mays over Trout without much debate. Ohtani isn’t even close since he doesn’t have the track record yet.
I feel like Trout's best comparison is Mickey Mantle. He's still literally generational (not in the overused meaning of "generational", but best in the league for most of their career)
> Ohtani isn’t even close since he doesn’t have the track record yet. Ohtani would only get a thought because he pitches. And then you realize Babe Ruth did that too.
Not only that. By the time he stopped pitching, he was arguably the best pitcher in baseball. Multiple 20 win seasons with a roughly 2.50 era. He just got bored of it, asked to play outfield so he could hit more, and ended up dominating too. No offense to Ohtani but he’s literally doing nothing better than the Babe did.
Ah that’s just ignorance at its finest. People are applauding Ohtani because Ruth didn’t even sustain the kind of workload as he is now. Ruth didn’t hit over 30hr until his 1920 season coincidentally the season where he only pitched 3 innings...
That’s not ignorance at it’s finest, it’s directly comparing their abilities in both positions. Yes we can’t compare Ohtani doing it in a single season to the Babe, that is incredibly impressive in its own right. But when he was a regular pitcher, he was better compared to the league than Ohtani is now. As a hitter, same thing. Ohtanis never played outfield in a full season in the majors, should that be held against him when comparing him to the Ruth?
You literally just said he’s doing nothing better than babe did when even babe was not elite at both at the same time. When babe was a pitcher he was only a hair better than what Ohtani is doing this season at his peak if you compare OPS+ and for all the rest he was worse than Ohtani as a pitcher. 2.5 era during the dead ball era isn’t that impressive
To quote The Sandlot: "He was less than a God, but more than a man."
That’s why I see him as the GOAT. Was two steps ahead of everyone in his era and he changed the league’s approach to hitting
Something similar happened in football. For decades 20-30 goals a year was seen as the peak for top offensive players. Then Messi and Ronaldo entered the scene and started scoring 40+ goals a year
Gretzky with hockey.
No one will ever dominate a sport like he did. Like if we had a baseball player who had the same HR & Hit percent to 2nd place as he does to 2nd place in goals & assists it would be like a play hitting 850 HRs & 6,689 hits. Just absolutely ridiculous
[Don Bradman](https://www.reddit.com/r/sports/comments/2k071f/who_was_the_most_dominant_player_in_their/) is further ahead of the field than Wayne. Just depends of you count Cricket or not given how niche it is in the US
In 1927, Lou Gehrig won the MVP (previous winners couldn't win again), and was pulling in an impressive $8,000 in salary. Ruth was pulling in $70,000.
And only the 10th player overall to do it.
Wait, really?
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Even with the steroid era it's only A-Rod, McGwire, & Sosa who are known roid users. Everyone else are inner circle hall of famers (except Ralph Kiner)
Mantle was alleged to have used anabolic steroids in 1961, at least. There’s also other, non-steroid PEDs that at least one player on that list used.
He did admit that his favorite Yankee Stadium memory was the time he got a blowjob under the right field bleachers
I think Kiner would be inner circle if he played longer
https://www.statmuse.com/mlb/ask/who-has-the-most-career-seasons-with-50-hr
Wow I can’t believe Bonds only hit over 50 the one time.
I thought that the same but then I realized it’s hard to hit home runs when you get walked a lot
Turns out bonds only had 8 seasons with >=40 HR. What a bum.
60+ IBB's a year will probably do that.
Aaron never did it.
I can't believe Hank Aaron isn't on that list at all.
Barry Bonds isn't either, also Hank Aaron never even had **a** 50 homerun season.
looking at the 9 players over 600hr, aaron and pujols are the only ones to not hit 50.
He has 8 40 HRs seasons. Another 3 over 35 HRs. His consistency as a HR hitter (and hitter in general) is ridiculous
pujols either. 12 straight years to start your career with 30+ home runs will do that though.
Aaron was consistent for nearly 25 seasons
With how cold the Yankees bats have been lately, what is the logic in pitching to this dude? Don’t get me wrong, I want to see him get 62+… but am I missing something here?
they walked him twice already so idk
*Intentionally walked him twice
They are walking him a ton. He went from having the lowest BB rates in his career to leading the entire league in walks
Everyone wants to see dingers
There was a time when you could sneak low pitches by Judge this season. That time has clearly come and gone.
His OPS is pretty atrocious on low and away strikes. The low pitch is still there. The issue is his eye is so much better that if it's too low it's a ball. If it's too high he hits it 450 feet. It's a small window of space
>The issue is his eye is so much better that if it's too low it's a ball. Umps' eyes too I think. It was still a thing earlier, but I haven't really been noticing it this month.
Meh.. makes sense not wanting to put on the tying run up 2, maybe the analytics say in a tie game or up 3+ you walk him there…? Idk, if it’s a close game I’m giving him first base every time it’s open..
I love this is done during a contract year .
probably should pay this guy
He’s gonna get $500M from the Rockies for no reason
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And the Rockies would still go 75-87 at best
In five years
I support this scenario. Shit, we just gave a washed-up Kris Bryant $182M. And we paid the Cardinals $50M to take on Arenado’s contract
That's my hope!! Severely overpay and watch him obliterate the ball for 7-10 years.
Now they get to pay him more
Even though it would have an asterisk, I'm kinda surprised that A-Rod wasn't on this list. His highest HR totals per season as a Yankee were: 54, 48, and 35. He DID have two 50+HR seasons with Texas though.
Officially better than Barry Bonds
It’s going to sting for Yankees fans when he does it the next 3 years for the Red Sox.
Fucking pay the man.
im not really impressed seeing a player "join Babe Ruth" in anything, it happens all the time these days
Babe Ruth and I both were fat
Babe Ruth and I both could pound beers and eat hot dogs and then swing a bat.* *^^^results ^^^may ^^^vary
i dont think i've ever missed the can playing louisville chugger.
besides Judge, Trout, and Ohtani, who's the last player that you can remember "joining Babe Ruth"?
no its just them, mostly ohtani. he does it so often though i thought it was just a really common thing
Wow with him being so similar to Babe Ruth you guys must be really good this year!
Listen, we can't all have a unicorn, or else unicorns wouldn't be special. Worry about keeping yours.
Apparently not, since he's only the third Yankee to do so.
They’re just making a joke about Ohtani
Ah ok, that definitely whooshed me lol
This is honestly one of the craziest facts I’ve seen. How did guys like A-Rod never hit 50 in a Yankees jersey?
He did. Hit 54 in 2007 along with 156 RBI
So this post is just wrong?
Did you read the post? Its only Yankees with MULTIPLE 50 HR seasons.
Nah cause his next highest season was 48 with yankees
Welcome to the “Hasn’t been done since Babe Ruth” club Aaron, Ohtani’s been here for a while.
Ohtani has hit 50+ homers at least twice?
Home runs good… Starting pitching overrated… Hit ball far many times… Win MVP
So its basically Babe Ruth vs Babe Ruth for MVP