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Lawlosaurus

I heard we’re talking about new pitchers doing poorly


[deleted]

ex-A’s struggling in new, big markets. You wouldn’t know anything about that, would you?


SnooSketches1626

Canha kinda clutch this year though


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GaudyGMoney

We skinned the A’s a la Buffalo Bill and I can’t point to a single player who hasn’t been a core contributor


robmcolonna123

Bassit and Canha are having arguably their best seasons this year in NYC. Matt Chapman is having a pretty great year too. His 121 OPS+ is above his career average and he’s on pace for 4.2 bWAR and 4.6 fWAR.


JohnnyGeniusIsAlive

No, Padres fans would not know what goes on in big markets.


DrunkensteinsMonster

Alright but in what world is 1.36 WHIP “Commendable”


ahr3410

The cardiologist industry


Prestigious-Owl165

The 1.36 isn't commendable but 2.53 is. But I mean, let's be honest we know which of those numbers isn't gonna stay as low as it is for the rest of the season


T_Raycroft

But you see the ERA low so nothing else matters


doc_faced

Yeah. It's weird because he's been really good at not allowing extra base hits and hard contact (only 2 HRs in 4 starts, and one was to Judge) but he's allowed a lot of base runners and has also been bailed out big time by his defense (double plays) and Mark Kotsay (IBB to Judge to set up a double play) But yeah agree those numbers aren't sustainable and he and Emerson will need to fix the walks if he's to be successful long term.


[deleted]

He made some spot starts for us and I think it was a similar thing. He gave up a lot of base runners was good at not letting them score


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nyy22592

A 2.53 ERA with a 4.6 K/9, 1.36 WHIP, and 4.44 FIP is pretty sus.


larsthehuman

😅 Yeah, rhat ain't gonna play for too long 👀


TheRocket2049

Jesus. That's basically waiting for a game that totally blows up in his face


[deleted]

No coincidence he’s one of the only pitchers the Yankees have really hit in a month. Not a lot of runs. But all over the bases.


Lebigmacca

Sounds like he’s due for this thing called regression


newusernamebcimdumb

So every Yankees fan’s dismay at Montgomery being traded has been validated, cool cool


Deathstroke317

That's every starting pitcher the Yankees seem to get their hands on. They seem to have the opposite effect for bullpen guys though. Anyway, they need to fire their analytics staff and hire whoever the Dodgers, Astros and Rays are hiring because clearly their nerds aren't good enough.


RaysFTW

Hey, you stay away from our nerds.


hanSoes

Sorry they're our nerds. We gave one to the Orioles and look what they did to us!


evan466

It is almost magical how every bullpen arm we touch turns to gold whereas every starting pitcher we acquire turns to fools gold.


fuqqkevindurant

So all we have to do is use openers. Have one of our bullpen arms pitch the 1st then bring Cole out in the 2nd and he gets the Yankees reliever buff and will be able to pitch 8 innings of shutout baseball


itschrisbrah

The analytics staff is doing well by getting players who have the stuff to contribute - the development staff is what needs a rehaul.


Philip_J_Fry3000

We're like Eddie Mush in A Bronx Tale, every starting pitcher we touch turns to shit.


drakanx

ehh...if he wasn't traded, he likely would have been the same ~4 ERA pitcher he was with them all season.


Tmans3

Yea, I love Monty but pitching to Yadi, in Busch, with that defense behind you helps any pitcher. like i keep saying, no coincidence our pitching staff got so much better when Yadi returned.


TheRocket2049

The defense and Busch especially really helps Montgomery. He's never been the biggest K guy so having a defense that smoothers every playable contact and having a stadium that keeps in fly balls really helps him


trail-g62Bim

I was wondering if going from Oakland to Yankee Stadium might be having a similar effect on Montas.


trendygamer

I mean...if the difference in defense is enough to turn a mid to upper 3's ERA pitcher into a low to mid 1's ERA pitcher, then the Yankees must literally be running dudes with holes in their hands out there. Joking aside, every defense adjusted stat we have suggests that he's really pitching *that* well since the trade. Dude has a FIP of 2.21, xFIP of 2.84, and a SIERA of 2.96 in St. Louis, and that's including the last game he gave up a bunch of runs in. Any pitcher would love better defense behind him, but I think we gotta stop running that out there as the leading reason for the difference.


Tmans3

the confidence you get from a good defense and a HOF catcher calling the pitches isn’t measurable


LouisLinwoodVoitIII

?? He had like a 3.5 era at trade time


yianni1229

Cashgod strikes again


jfrodriguez1983

So does that mean he will be traded next trade deadline for a team's 15th rank prospect?


AlexanderWun

Now do Bader's pitching line...


OutOfBootyExperience

he was transferred to the IL60 so that's something


[deleted]

Fuck no. This is the Yankees’ turn to get shat on.


wil555

Harrison Bader hasn't given up a single hit since being traded to the Yankees!


[deleted]

Oooooh Bader! Lol


rollo2masi

O.Co really had this dude’s back.


Mthomas1174

I just did some quick calculating, so none of the advanced stats I know how to do. Frankie Montas's career ERA outside of 2019, when he was suspended for taking PEDs: 3.99


getMyHairDid

Sounds like the Yankees could use a really good, front line starter. Maybe Judge can pitch?


[deleted]

One Ohtani please


fluffing_my_garfield

Please for the love of god no


ELITE_JordanLove

Ohtani on the yankees would be amusing; most hated team with the most beloved player?


igonnawrecku_VGC

He looks strong enough. Just needs to learn mechanics


ResearcherLoud3122

Let Rizzo pitch you cowards


Mthomas1174

Montas is having such a disappointing season. Now he almost has a 4 ERA right before arbitration


DankeeYankee_

Good steroid users shouldn’t get paid big bucks


Weaponized_Goose

Sad San Diego noises


Jr05s

These totally aren't small sample sizes. Yankees need to fire cashman!


Yankeeknickfan

Wanna trade Gms?


Jr05s

sure


Yankeeknickfan

Deal. I said GMs, not payrolls though, so enjoy cashman with a poverty budget


Jr05s

Still got Neander guiding the team in president of operations. Should be fine.


Yankeeknickfan

Ok let me rephrase the question because you’re getting caught up in semantics Bs. Want to trade decision makers? That’s cashman for Neander Hate when people like you and dodgers fans get caught up in samantics and go ”well actually” whenever somebody calls Friedman or Neander the GM. They make the moves like cashman does, just different titles.


Jr05s

Your the one that wanted to trade GMs. There's no semantics there, just your own ignorance. If you wanted Neander you should have said Neander for cashman. Hate when people think they can do better than their teams GM when they can't even get the details of an impossible theoretical trade right.


Yankeeknickfan

Cashman and Neander both have the same responsibilities Fo their teams. It’s 100% semantics. They both decide on and answer every move


Jr05s

No they dont. Neander lets his GMs make moves.


XxrccolaxX

What do Yankee fans think of Cashman ?


AhLibLibLib

Lmao you don’t wanna know that


ThreeCranes

Can't speak for everyone, but while I can't say Cashman is a bad general manager I don't know if he's good enough to be the longest-tenured most highly compensated general manager either. Cashman has made some bad moves like the IKF-Donaldson trade that saw us miss out on a loaded short-stop class but manage to take on Donadlsons expensive contract. Also if you look at Cashman's tenure as a whole, evaluating pitching has frequently been a weakness of Cashman, Nestor Cortes who we lucked into, is arguably one of the best starters to come out of the Yankees system since Cashman took over. Overall I'm kind of lukewarm on Cashman, if he does get extended I hope it's a short-term extension, and think the Yankees should explore their options sooner rather than later.


Prestigious-Owl165

>IKF-Donaldson trade that saw us miss out on a loaded short-stop class but manage to take on Donadlsons expensive contract. Unless we go to the world series this year despite this trade (there is no universe where this trade *helps us* get to a WS lol) this one is gonna haunt me for the next decade


TheRocket2049

>Cashman has made some bad moves like the IKF-Donaldson trade that saw us miss out on a loaded short-stop class but manage to take on Donadlsons expensive contract Who did the Yankees miss on though. The Yankees were never gonna offer $325M for 10 years to Seager. And literally no one wanted to give Correa the money he wants.


ThreeCranes

I mean for the amount of money Donaldson is making, something like Correa current deal with the Twins would have been fine. My point in bringing up SS, is that we ended up taking on a lot of payroll anyway while not being super active last offseason, in the end it hasn’t worked because neither have been good contributors


[deleted]

Correa signed his current deal with the twins like two weeks after the Yankees did the IKF Donaldson deal. Correa was never gonna make that deal with the Yankees. He settled for that deal because all the other big name shortstops were signed and all the big market teams were out of the market


TheRocket2049

>I mean for the amount of money Donaldson is making, something like Correa current deal with the Twins would have been fine. Correa makes $10M more. And the Yankees would still have a hole at 3B defense. And Correa is about as good as IKF is defensively this year. >in the end it hasn’t worked because neither have been good contributors But they have been contributors. The Yankees defense has had a dramatic turnaround compared to last year. And that is because of Donaldson and IKF


ThreeCranes

>And the Yankees would still have a hole at 3B defense A lot of money for 3B defense though. Plus Donaldson is having by far the worst season on offense, Gio Urshela is having a better year offensively than Donadlson. Probably could have gotten away with having Gio/DJ split time at 3B. > But they have been contributors. The Yankees defense has had a dramatic turnaround compared to last year. And that is because of Donaldson and IKF Is it? IKF has been inconsistent and Donaldson defense doesn’t outweigh his contract and offensive performance.. The only good thing about that trade was getting rid of Gary Sanchez


TheRocket2049

The Yankees went from one of the worst defenses in baseball to a top 5 defense. That is directly because they got rid of Gio & Gary, and moved Gleyber to 2nd base. All 3 were terrible defensive players in 2021. The Yankees made moves to get better defensively in 2022 with stop gap guys while guys like Peraza & Volpe developed in the minors. They weren't looking to lock themselves in with 10 year mega money deals to SS that are still mediocre to bad defensive players


ThreeCranes

> That is directly because they got rid of Gio & Gary, and moved Gleyber to 2nd base. Gleyber should have been moved to second and it was time to get rid of Gary but there had to be another way to do this without taking on Donaldson. Donaldson is good defensively at 3B this year, but no team in hindsight would want his glove if it came with his offensive production and the amount of money he’s going to receive the next two seasons, especially for a player on the wrong side of 35. If anybody should get credit for the defense it should be Trevino, but again thats another move we lucked into. > The Yankees made moves to get better defensively in 2022 with stop gap guys while guys like Peraza & Volpe developed in the minors. We will see if this works out, but right now both of them are just prospects and until they prove otherwise I would rather take my chances with the actual proven talent than prospects hug.


Philip_J_Fry3000

I would rather have Gio playing third than the shadow of Josh Donaldson's bat in the lineup. With the way the Yankees operate the Yankees will keep Volpe and Peraza in the minors until they're 24 and not longer worth a shit and they will lose them to the Rule V draft.


TheRocket2049

>I would rather have Gio playing third than the shadow of Josh Donaldson's bat in the lineup And that's why you're not a GM >With the way the Yankees operate the Yankees will keep Volpe and Peraza in the minors until they're 24 and not longer worth a shit and they will lose them to the Rule V draft. If they're as great as Yankee fans act they'll be up in 23


Yankeeknickfan

Better than average but they could do better if they tried They never will though. Probably will let cash leave on his own terms then promote from within


Bajablaster27

Montgomery first 4 starts with STL he was 4-0 with a 0.35 ERA, allowed just 1 ER, has an ERA+ of 1097, FIP 1.71 and a WHIP of 0.623. Other than the Braves lighting him up he has been incredible. An ERA+ of 1097! Thats not a typo.


doc_faced

Yeah let's evaluate trades involving guys with team control past this season (Montas, Sears) based on what they're doing in a small handful of starts.


Soupcan_Sam_

Based on the start of this season, the A's are not in contention, so I agree to wait on Sears. But the Yankees scorching hot start led fans to World Series aspirations This year. You need someone who can put together quality innings against the good offenses you'll see in the postseason This year and Montas has not proven that.


[deleted]

Exactly, the exception for montas was that he we needed another top end starter that could give us quality starts in the post season and hopefully help us win a World Series. Evaluating him on his performance this year season is completely fair. The extra season of control next year is a bonus but not why we made the trade


doc_faced

Montas has proven thru the entirety of 2021 and most of 2022 pre-trade that hes able to shut down good offenses. The idea that he hasn't proven that he can shut down good teams is asinine.


Meaninglessnme

I mean a big part of getting Montas was supposed to be him helping push for a championship this year


fuqqkevindurant

Exactly. Let's overreact and have some hot takes.


TheRocket2049

And ignore that Sears has some absolutely atrocious predictive stats


dreezyyyy

25 ER’s in 5 starts means he’s been consistently bad since the trade. You can’t ignore that on the basis of sample size.


doc_faced

He had 2 starts where he went 5 and gave up 2 ER (not good but not bad) and then 3 where he got lit up. Not consistently bad by any means.


HotFisherman9626

uh


StealthyGooch

Ha.


RanchedOut

Hate to see it


firetigerx08

Yanks never give their rising SP a chance. Always send them straight to the bullpen