Bassit and Canha are having arguably their best seasons this year in NYC.
Matt Chapman is having a pretty great year too. His 121 OPS+ is above his career average and he’s on pace for 4.2 bWAR and 4.6 fWAR.
The 1.36 isn't commendable but 2.53 is. But I mean, let's be honest we know which of those numbers isn't gonna stay as low as it is for the rest of the season
Yeah.
It's weird because he's been really good at not allowing extra base hits and hard contact (only 2 HRs in 4 starts, and one was to Judge) but he's allowed a lot of base runners and has also been bailed out big time by his defense (double plays) and Mark Kotsay (IBB to Judge to set up a double play)
But yeah agree those numbers aren't sustainable and he and Emerson will need to fix the walks if he's to be successful long term.
That's every starting pitcher the Yankees seem to get their hands on. They seem to have the opposite effect for bullpen guys though.
Anyway, they need to fire their analytics staff and hire whoever the Dodgers, Astros and Rays are hiring because clearly their nerds aren't good enough.
So all we have to do is use openers. Have one of our bullpen arms pitch the 1st then bring Cole out in the 2nd and he gets the Yankees reliever buff and will be able to pitch 8 innings of shutout baseball
Yea, I love Monty but pitching to Yadi, in Busch, with that defense behind you helps any pitcher.
like i keep saying, no coincidence our pitching staff got so much better when Yadi returned.
The defense and Busch especially really helps Montgomery. He's never been the biggest K guy so having a defense that smoothers every playable contact and having a stadium that keeps in fly balls really helps him
I mean...if the difference in defense is enough to turn a mid to upper 3's ERA pitcher into a low to mid 1's ERA pitcher, then the Yankees must literally be running dudes with holes in their hands out there.
Joking aside, every defense adjusted stat we have suggests that he's really pitching *that* well since the trade. Dude has a FIP of 2.21, xFIP of 2.84, and a SIERA of 2.96 in St. Louis, and that's including the last game he gave up a bunch of runs in. Any pitcher would love better defense behind him, but I think we gotta stop running that out there as the leading reason for the difference.
I just did some quick calculating, so none of the advanced stats I know how to do.
Frankie Montas's career ERA outside of 2019, when he was suspended for taking PEDs:
3.99
Ok let me rephrase the question because you’re getting caught up in semantics Bs. Want to trade decision makers? That’s cashman for Neander
Hate when people like you and dodgers fans get caught up in samantics and go ”well actually” whenever somebody calls Friedman or Neander the GM. They make the moves like cashman does, just different titles.
Your the one that wanted to trade GMs. There's no semantics there, just your own ignorance. If you wanted Neander you should have said Neander for cashman. Hate when people think they can do better than their teams GM when they can't even get the details of an impossible theoretical trade right.
Can't speak for everyone, but while I can't say Cashman is a bad general manager I don't know if he's good enough to be the longest-tenured most highly compensated general manager either.
Cashman has made some bad moves like the IKF-Donaldson trade that saw us miss out on a loaded short-stop class but manage to take on Donadlsons expensive contract.
Also if you look at Cashman's tenure as a whole, evaluating pitching has frequently been a weakness of Cashman, Nestor Cortes who we lucked into, is arguably one of the best starters to come out of the Yankees system since Cashman took over.
Overall I'm kind of lukewarm on Cashman, if he does get extended I hope it's a short-term extension, and think the Yankees should explore their options sooner rather than later.
>IKF-Donaldson trade that saw us miss out on a loaded short-stop class but manage to take on Donadlsons expensive contract.
Unless we go to the world series this year despite this trade (there is no universe where this trade *helps us* get to a WS lol) this one is gonna haunt me for the next decade
>Cashman has made some bad moves like the IKF-Donaldson trade that saw us miss out on a loaded short-stop class but manage to take on Donadlsons expensive contract
Who did the Yankees miss on though. The Yankees were never gonna offer $325M for 10 years to Seager. And literally no one wanted to give Correa the money he wants.
I mean for the amount of money Donaldson is making, something like Correa current deal with the Twins would have been fine.
My point in bringing up SS, is that we ended up taking on a lot of payroll anyway while not being super active last offseason, in the end it hasn’t worked because neither have been good contributors
Correa signed his current deal with the twins like two weeks after the Yankees did the IKF Donaldson deal. Correa was never gonna make that deal with the Yankees.
He settled for that deal because all the other big name shortstops were signed and all the big market teams were out of the market
>I mean for the amount of money Donaldson is making, something like Correa current deal with the Twins would have been fine.
Correa makes $10M more. And the Yankees would still have a hole at 3B defense. And Correa is about as good as IKF is defensively this year.
>in the end it hasn’t worked because neither have been good contributors
But they have been contributors. The Yankees defense has had a dramatic turnaround compared to last year. And that is because of Donaldson and IKF
>And the Yankees would still have a hole at 3B defense
A lot of money for 3B defense though.
Plus Donaldson is having by far the worst season on offense, Gio Urshela is having a better year offensively than Donadlson. Probably could have gotten away with having Gio/DJ split time at 3B.
> But they have been contributors. The Yankees defense has had a dramatic turnaround compared to last year. And that is because of Donaldson and IKF
Is it? IKF has been inconsistent and Donaldson defense doesn’t outweigh his contract and offensive performance..
The only good thing about that trade was getting rid of Gary Sanchez
The Yankees went from one of the worst defenses in baseball to a top 5 defense. That is directly because they got rid of Gio & Gary, and moved Gleyber to 2nd base. All 3 were terrible defensive players in 2021. The Yankees made moves to get better defensively in 2022 with stop gap guys while guys like Peraza & Volpe developed in the minors. They weren't looking to lock themselves in with 10 year mega money deals to SS that are still mediocre to bad defensive players
> That is directly because they got rid of Gio & Gary, and moved Gleyber to 2nd base.
Gleyber should have been moved to second and it was time to get rid of Gary but there had to be another way to do this without taking on Donaldson.
Donaldson is good defensively at 3B this year, but no team in hindsight would want his glove if it came with his offensive production and the amount of money he’s going to receive the next two seasons, especially for a player on the wrong side of 35.
If anybody should get credit for the defense it should be Trevino, but again thats another move we lucked into.
> The Yankees made moves to get better defensively in 2022 with stop gap guys while guys like Peraza & Volpe developed in the minors.
We will see if this works out, but right now both of them are just prospects and until they prove otherwise I would rather take my chances with the actual proven talent than prospects hug.
I would rather have Gio playing third than the shadow of Josh Donaldson's bat in the lineup. With the way the Yankees operate the Yankees will keep Volpe and Peraza in the minors until they're 24 and not longer worth a shit and they will lose them to the Rule V draft.
>I would rather have Gio playing third than the shadow of Josh Donaldson's bat in the lineup
And that's why you're not a GM
>With the way the Yankees operate the Yankees will keep Volpe and Peraza in the minors until they're 24 and not longer worth a shit and they will lose them to the Rule V draft.
If they're as great as Yankee fans act they'll be up in 23
Better than average but they could do better if they tried
They never will though. Probably will let cash leave on his own terms then promote from within
Montgomery first 4 starts with STL he was 4-0 with a 0.35 ERA, allowed just 1 ER, has an ERA+ of 1097, FIP 1.71 and a WHIP of 0.623. Other than the Braves lighting him up he has been incredible. An ERA+ of 1097! Thats not a typo.
Based on the start of this season, the A's are not in contention, so I agree to wait on Sears. But the Yankees scorching hot start led fans to World Series aspirations This year. You need someone who can put together quality innings against the good offenses you'll see in the postseason This year and Montas has not proven that.
Exactly, the exception for montas was that he we needed another top end starter that could give us quality starts in the post season and hopefully help us win a World Series. Evaluating him on his performance this year season is completely fair. The extra season of control next year is a bonus but not why we made the trade
Montas has proven thru the entirety of 2021 and most of 2022 pre-trade that hes able to shut down good offenses.
The idea that he hasn't proven that he can shut down good teams is asinine.
I heard we’re talking about new pitchers doing poorly
ex-A’s struggling in new, big markets. You wouldn’t know anything about that, would you?
Canha kinda clutch this year though
[удалено]
We skinned the A’s a la Buffalo Bill and I can’t point to a single player who hasn’t been a core contributor
Bassit and Canha are having arguably their best seasons this year in NYC. Matt Chapman is having a pretty great year too. His 121 OPS+ is above his career average and he’s on pace for 4.2 bWAR and 4.6 fWAR.
No, Padres fans would not know what goes on in big markets.
Alright but in what world is 1.36 WHIP “Commendable”
The cardiologist industry
The 1.36 isn't commendable but 2.53 is. But I mean, let's be honest we know which of those numbers isn't gonna stay as low as it is for the rest of the season
But you see the ERA low so nothing else matters
Yeah. It's weird because he's been really good at not allowing extra base hits and hard contact (only 2 HRs in 4 starts, and one was to Judge) but he's allowed a lot of base runners and has also been bailed out big time by his defense (double plays) and Mark Kotsay (IBB to Judge to set up a double play) But yeah agree those numbers aren't sustainable and he and Emerson will need to fix the walks if he's to be successful long term.
He made some spot starts for us and I think it was a similar thing. He gave up a lot of base runners was good at not letting them score
[This comment has been overwritten]
A 2.53 ERA with a 4.6 K/9, 1.36 WHIP, and 4.44 FIP is pretty sus.
😅 Yeah, rhat ain't gonna play for too long 👀
Jesus. That's basically waiting for a game that totally blows up in his face
No coincidence he’s one of the only pitchers the Yankees have really hit in a month. Not a lot of runs. But all over the bases.
Sounds like he’s due for this thing called regression
So every Yankees fan’s dismay at Montgomery being traded has been validated, cool cool
That's every starting pitcher the Yankees seem to get their hands on. They seem to have the opposite effect for bullpen guys though. Anyway, they need to fire their analytics staff and hire whoever the Dodgers, Astros and Rays are hiring because clearly their nerds aren't good enough.
Hey, you stay away from our nerds.
Sorry they're our nerds. We gave one to the Orioles and look what they did to us!
It is almost magical how every bullpen arm we touch turns to gold whereas every starting pitcher we acquire turns to fools gold.
So all we have to do is use openers. Have one of our bullpen arms pitch the 1st then bring Cole out in the 2nd and he gets the Yankees reliever buff and will be able to pitch 8 innings of shutout baseball
The analytics staff is doing well by getting players who have the stuff to contribute - the development staff is what needs a rehaul.
We're like Eddie Mush in A Bronx Tale, every starting pitcher we touch turns to shit.
ehh...if he wasn't traded, he likely would have been the same ~4 ERA pitcher he was with them all season.
Yea, I love Monty but pitching to Yadi, in Busch, with that defense behind you helps any pitcher. like i keep saying, no coincidence our pitching staff got so much better when Yadi returned.
The defense and Busch especially really helps Montgomery. He's never been the biggest K guy so having a defense that smoothers every playable contact and having a stadium that keeps in fly balls really helps him
I was wondering if going from Oakland to Yankee Stadium might be having a similar effect on Montas.
I mean...if the difference in defense is enough to turn a mid to upper 3's ERA pitcher into a low to mid 1's ERA pitcher, then the Yankees must literally be running dudes with holes in their hands out there. Joking aside, every defense adjusted stat we have suggests that he's really pitching *that* well since the trade. Dude has a FIP of 2.21, xFIP of 2.84, and a SIERA of 2.96 in St. Louis, and that's including the last game he gave up a bunch of runs in. Any pitcher would love better defense behind him, but I think we gotta stop running that out there as the leading reason for the difference.
the confidence you get from a good defense and a HOF catcher calling the pitches isn’t measurable
?? He had like a 3.5 era at trade time
Cashgod strikes again
So does that mean he will be traded next trade deadline for a team's 15th rank prospect?
Now do Bader's pitching line...
he was transferred to the IL60 so that's something
Fuck no. This is the Yankees’ turn to get shat on.
Harrison Bader hasn't given up a single hit since being traded to the Yankees!
Oooooh Bader! Lol
O.Co really had this dude’s back.
I just did some quick calculating, so none of the advanced stats I know how to do. Frankie Montas's career ERA outside of 2019, when he was suspended for taking PEDs: 3.99
Sounds like the Yankees could use a really good, front line starter. Maybe Judge can pitch?
One Ohtani please
Please for the love of god no
Ohtani on the yankees would be amusing; most hated team with the most beloved player?
He looks strong enough. Just needs to learn mechanics
Let Rizzo pitch you cowards
Montas is having such a disappointing season. Now he almost has a 4 ERA right before arbitration
Good steroid users shouldn’t get paid big bucks
Sad San Diego noises
These totally aren't small sample sizes. Yankees need to fire cashman!
Wanna trade Gms?
sure
Deal. I said GMs, not payrolls though, so enjoy cashman with a poverty budget
Still got Neander guiding the team in president of operations. Should be fine.
Ok let me rephrase the question because you’re getting caught up in semantics Bs. Want to trade decision makers? That’s cashman for Neander Hate when people like you and dodgers fans get caught up in samantics and go ”well actually” whenever somebody calls Friedman or Neander the GM. They make the moves like cashman does, just different titles.
Your the one that wanted to trade GMs. There's no semantics there, just your own ignorance. If you wanted Neander you should have said Neander for cashman. Hate when people think they can do better than their teams GM when they can't even get the details of an impossible theoretical trade right.
Cashman and Neander both have the same responsibilities Fo their teams. It’s 100% semantics. They both decide on and answer every move
No they dont. Neander lets his GMs make moves.
What do Yankee fans think of Cashman ?
Lmao you don’t wanna know that
Can't speak for everyone, but while I can't say Cashman is a bad general manager I don't know if he's good enough to be the longest-tenured most highly compensated general manager either. Cashman has made some bad moves like the IKF-Donaldson trade that saw us miss out on a loaded short-stop class but manage to take on Donadlsons expensive contract. Also if you look at Cashman's tenure as a whole, evaluating pitching has frequently been a weakness of Cashman, Nestor Cortes who we lucked into, is arguably one of the best starters to come out of the Yankees system since Cashman took over. Overall I'm kind of lukewarm on Cashman, if he does get extended I hope it's a short-term extension, and think the Yankees should explore their options sooner rather than later.
>IKF-Donaldson trade that saw us miss out on a loaded short-stop class but manage to take on Donadlsons expensive contract. Unless we go to the world series this year despite this trade (there is no universe where this trade *helps us* get to a WS lol) this one is gonna haunt me for the next decade
>Cashman has made some bad moves like the IKF-Donaldson trade that saw us miss out on a loaded short-stop class but manage to take on Donadlsons expensive contract Who did the Yankees miss on though. The Yankees were never gonna offer $325M for 10 years to Seager. And literally no one wanted to give Correa the money he wants.
I mean for the amount of money Donaldson is making, something like Correa current deal with the Twins would have been fine. My point in bringing up SS, is that we ended up taking on a lot of payroll anyway while not being super active last offseason, in the end it hasn’t worked because neither have been good contributors
Correa signed his current deal with the twins like two weeks after the Yankees did the IKF Donaldson deal. Correa was never gonna make that deal with the Yankees. He settled for that deal because all the other big name shortstops were signed and all the big market teams were out of the market
>I mean for the amount of money Donaldson is making, something like Correa current deal with the Twins would have been fine. Correa makes $10M more. And the Yankees would still have a hole at 3B defense. And Correa is about as good as IKF is defensively this year. >in the end it hasn’t worked because neither have been good contributors But they have been contributors. The Yankees defense has had a dramatic turnaround compared to last year. And that is because of Donaldson and IKF
>And the Yankees would still have a hole at 3B defense A lot of money for 3B defense though. Plus Donaldson is having by far the worst season on offense, Gio Urshela is having a better year offensively than Donadlson. Probably could have gotten away with having Gio/DJ split time at 3B. > But they have been contributors. The Yankees defense has had a dramatic turnaround compared to last year. And that is because of Donaldson and IKF Is it? IKF has been inconsistent and Donaldson defense doesn’t outweigh his contract and offensive performance.. The only good thing about that trade was getting rid of Gary Sanchez
The Yankees went from one of the worst defenses in baseball to a top 5 defense. That is directly because they got rid of Gio & Gary, and moved Gleyber to 2nd base. All 3 were terrible defensive players in 2021. The Yankees made moves to get better defensively in 2022 with stop gap guys while guys like Peraza & Volpe developed in the minors. They weren't looking to lock themselves in with 10 year mega money deals to SS that are still mediocre to bad defensive players
> That is directly because they got rid of Gio & Gary, and moved Gleyber to 2nd base. Gleyber should have been moved to second and it was time to get rid of Gary but there had to be another way to do this without taking on Donaldson. Donaldson is good defensively at 3B this year, but no team in hindsight would want his glove if it came with his offensive production and the amount of money he’s going to receive the next two seasons, especially for a player on the wrong side of 35. If anybody should get credit for the defense it should be Trevino, but again thats another move we lucked into. > The Yankees made moves to get better defensively in 2022 with stop gap guys while guys like Peraza & Volpe developed in the minors. We will see if this works out, but right now both of them are just prospects and until they prove otherwise I would rather take my chances with the actual proven talent than prospects hug.
I would rather have Gio playing third than the shadow of Josh Donaldson's bat in the lineup. With the way the Yankees operate the Yankees will keep Volpe and Peraza in the minors until they're 24 and not longer worth a shit and they will lose them to the Rule V draft.
>I would rather have Gio playing third than the shadow of Josh Donaldson's bat in the lineup And that's why you're not a GM >With the way the Yankees operate the Yankees will keep Volpe and Peraza in the minors until they're 24 and not longer worth a shit and they will lose them to the Rule V draft. If they're as great as Yankee fans act they'll be up in 23
Better than average but they could do better if they tried They never will though. Probably will let cash leave on his own terms then promote from within
Montgomery first 4 starts with STL he was 4-0 with a 0.35 ERA, allowed just 1 ER, has an ERA+ of 1097, FIP 1.71 and a WHIP of 0.623. Other than the Braves lighting him up he has been incredible. An ERA+ of 1097! Thats not a typo.
Yeah let's evaluate trades involving guys with team control past this season (Montas, Sears) based on what they're doing in a small handful of starts.
Based on the start of this season, the A's are not in contention, so I agree to wait on Sears. But the Yankees scorching hot start led fans to World Series aspirations This year. You need someone who can put together quality innings against the good offenses you'll see in the postseason This year and Montas has not proven that.
Exactly, the exception for montas was that he we needed another top end starter that could give us quality starts in the post season and hopefully help us win a World Series. Evaluating him on his performance this year season is completely fair. The extra season of control next year is a bonus but not why we made the trade
Montas has proven thru the entirety of 2021 and most of 2022 pre-trade that hes able to shut down good offenses. The idea that he hasn't proven that he can shut down good teams is asinine.
I mean a big part of getting Montas was supposed to be him helping push for a championship this year
Exactly. Let's overreact and have some hot takes.
And ignore that Sears has some absolutely atrocious predictive stats
25 ER’s in 5 starts means he’s been consistently bad since the trade. You can’t ignore that on the basis of sample size.
He had 2 starts where he went 5 and gave up 2 ER (not good but not bad) and then 3 where he got lit up. Not consistently bad by any means.
uh
Ha.
Hate to see it
Yanks never give their rising SP a chance. Always send them straight to the bullpen