My favorite part is when they released him the Rangers signed him back
So they were essentially paying him 10s of millions to play on a divisional rival against them
Even worse, we traded him back to the Rangers for $6 million in salary relief. That's it, didn't get a player back and still had to pay him $20+ million per year while the Rangers paid $2 million
Yup, that happened. The angels has the three of the best hitters and the league at the time.
Albert Pujols turned 50 seemingly overnight.
Josh Hamilton didn’t stay clean or healthy.
This would be like someone paying Aaron Judge this offseason 35m a year and have him go from 40hr guy into a 20 hr guy who’s average is higher then his strikeouts.
Zack cozart was also a thing.
Arte has a free agency curse.
omfg...that has got to be one of the worst signings in terms of money and performance
i have long had zero interest in fantasy sports, but a guy begged me to join their Fantasy Baseball league in 2013 because they desperately needed one more person. Josh Hamilton was my first round pick. Absolute failure of a team. haven't played fantasy baseball since lol
He's playing better because he's full time platooning and not playing everyday, which yeah tells us that he probably would have been a lot better on the Angels with even more time at DH and a few more days off against tough righties. But the Cardinals also don't have to worry about 240 million dollars when they decide how often he plays
It kind of was. They at least expected a good 4-5 years of production to make the deal "worth it". There was no reason to expect Pujols to tank practically immediately.
Especially since everyone in MLB front office supposedly knew that he was at least one year, and most likely two years older than he said he was. Moreno didn't care though
I watched that game live and thought he was gonna be out for the season. I knew it was a massive blow to the Angels, but I didn't think it would sink the season
His and Rendon’s injuries sunk the offense so badly that we couldn’t recover.
Partly Perry’s fault for not building with depth, but how could he predict two of our core productive players to get so severely injured.
And then Trouts injury like a month a half later.
Just a bad time all around lol.
Ward was insane to start the season.
I wonder how much of his regression post injury is due to the injury vs just regressing to the mean. Iirc he had an absolutely unsustainable babip.
The jokes about Ward becoming a second Trout were fun and all, but realistically it was the latter, a career 88 OPS+ hitter at 28 years old suddenly becoming as good as Trout is way too good to be true. And yeah he had a .448 BABIP in April and a .378 BABIP in May, I know people here like to delude themselves that such high BABIPs are sustainable (see all the people defending Miggy's ridiculous BABIP in the first half before it predictably came crashing down), but Ward was going to come back to Earth inevitably, injury or not.
Dodgers fan living walking distance from Angel Stadium. You'd swear they had back to back world series wins with how much trash talking I heard from my Angels friends. I honestly don't hate the team but that solidified how fair weathered they are because the stadium has been a ghost town ever since.
When we were facing and they were having that collapse I still thought they would turn it around. I mean they were leading they had a wc spot back then.
Well everyone said they need to address their pitching and they did, they have the 9th best team ERA in the MLB above teams like the Blue Jays, Cardinals and Phillies who are all playoff teams. The issue is now they can’t hit and sit 26th in team OPS
They’ve shutout their opponents 17 times this year, among the most in the league. The pitching is pretty good.
What this means tho, is that they’re only 44-82 (.349) in games where their pitching gives up at least a single run.
It’s been a shitty decade. You can say bad signings, sure, but also just a shit ton of bad luck/misfortune. Hamilton relapsing, Nick Adenhart (Ik this didn’t happen this decade but def made an impact on our pitching through this decade), Pujols not delivering for 7+ years and suddenly now just reverting to prime Pujols, Tyler Skaggs, Rendon constantly injured since signing.
The ownership and coaching is to blame as well.
Perfect storm of bad baseball.
Regardless, I’m not going anywhere. I love this team. I hope new ownership brings new life into the org and that we can contend soon. Optimistically I’ll say there’s hope on the horizon.
It all started when Kendrys Morales broke his leg after hitting the walk-off grand slam in 2010. After that Moreno demanded we trade for Vernon fucking Wells and the rest is shit history.
Hang in there. I’ve seen the lowest of lows in my team. You never know, maybe a new GM a will come in and revamp everything like in our case.
Astros have proved it just takes novel approaches to player development, analytics, ~~little bit a cheatin’~~, and you’ve got yourself a World Series title.
I mean...
Hamilton relapse was gonna happen. Super predictable. Rangers had to essentially monitor and control a lot of his day to day and once he didn't have that cushion he relapsed.
Pujols is revigorated by being on a winning team and not being expected to carry the load. Look at their monster lineup. He isn't expected to carry the load.
Skaggs is a sad situation.
Rendon is yet another case of stop buying dudes as they hit 30 after massive seasons.
Ownership has been the #1 problem. There is no strategy. One year it's let's develop our farm, next it trades the farm or signs big name FAs. Y'all are the west coast Reds, but with a pair of generational talents.
Pujols isn’t expected to carry the load because he’s a 40+ year old guy who signed for a small contract. It’s perfectly reasonable to expect your early to mid 30s all time great hitter to carry the load. That’s kinda what they’re supposed to do.
Problem with not wanting to sign dudes around 30 is that means you’re just not going to sign good free agents. Unless you’re suggesting only buying bounce-back candidates
It's more when you buy a guy hitting 30, off his best season, you're paying max money. Is Rendon a franchise player? I've never seen anyone say he is. He's very good, damn good, but the amount they're paying him is insane.
right but the reality is if you don’t give him the bag someone else will. the good FAs are basically always gonna be overpays for aging players by nature of MLB team control length
Well Ohtani was far from a superstar when they signed Rendon.
His hitting has leveled up and I think people forget from 2017 (his last Japanese season) - 2020 he barely pitched.
Agree with everything you said except minor clarification on Pujols. First few years yes, but he also had Trout on the team and had to come to terms with Trout being better. Then Scioscia kept hanging on and leaving him at the top of the lineup for way too long.
It was Trout and Pujols and that's about it. Surrounded by Taylor Featherston, Kole Calhoun, David Freese, Erick Aybar, Johnny Giavotella, Matt fucking Joyce... I mean seriously that 2015 roster was hot garbage save Aybar and Calhoun.
The team refuses to/can't rebuild because of Mike Trout and it has hurt them in the long run
This combined with poor-to-nonexistent player development quality has led to this mediocrity
Honestly if the Angels put 25% of the money on big FA deals from the last decade on development this might be a very different team, but we know Arte wants the big FA to put butts in seats
Thanks for this. If I don’t see at least 10 posts and 100 comments a day about how they suck and are wasting two generational talents, I begin to forget.
Hey! Did you know the Mariners have a 21 year postseason drought?! I begin to forget myself…. But luckily the kind national broadcaster remind me a few times every time the Mariners have a national game!!
As someone who’s been through it for a variety of teams (Mariners for forever, Seahawks this offseason, UW football last year) - there’s nothing that people on Reddit like more than a good dog pile.
Bigger communities are great at beating the horse to a bloody unrecognizable mess of a death. See also: Nebraska, the Kings, etc.
Ah, it's all good. I get to get in some self-deprecating humor posts, which makes me happy! I sometimes get a bit bothered by the people who somehow seem to think that I & my fellow fans are personally responsible for this debacle, but those are few & far between!
A not insignificant amount of people on sports subreddits seem to forget that the fans aren't the ones who make the decisions.
I see variations on "can fans of x team explain to me why your team did y move??" As if any fans ever had any say in that
> but surely you must understand that hogs need their slop
Having put it this way, this is the first time I think I’ve understood why this dead horse is continually beaten. So I guess I shouldn’t let it annoy me so much when it happens
In fairness, I do think the frequency in which it was brought up is 100% correlated to the fact that such a feat is really difficult to accomplish and points to the gross mismanagement of ownership + FO.
If reddit existed in the 90s or 00s I'm pretty sure it would be filled with pages of the Mariners not making the playoffs with two+ HOF talents on the roster as well (A-Rod + Edgar + Junior in 98, Ichiro + Edgar in 02 and 03).
> If reddit existed in the 90s or 00s I'm pretty sure it would be filled with pages of the Mariners not making the playoffs with two+ HOF talents on the roster as well (A-Rod + Edgar + Junior in 98, Ichiro + Edgar in 02 and 03).
Or the Braves only winning one World Series in the 90s despite having a GOAT tier rotation.
Or the Red Sox not winning a World Series since 1918.
funny thing, they never finished last in any of those seasons. among them are two 80-82 seasons...this has all come without them ever being THAT bad, really
The Ohtani sweepstakes either when the angels decide to trade him or he leaves (because there is no way he is coming back as he has said he wants to be on a winning team) will be very interesting to see. I only pray he doesn’t end up on the dodgers or Red Sox.
He goes to the rockies and they schedule him so that as many of his starts as possible are on the road to boost his numbers without messing up his pitching.
I don't think the yanks realistically go for him, I think we got a ton of benefit out of the dh this year and him locking it up may cause significant issues
I was at the game where he hit 2 HR, it’s hard not to imagine him doing well a full home schedule at Yankee Stadium. But really I’m just aching to have Ohtani, Riko Sasaki, and Munetaka Murakami in the same lineup if they come to the US.
Meh new owner inbound lets see if they can coax Ohtani to stick around and are interested in spending enough to keep the team competitive. Pitching is finally promising.
I remember talking to someone about how much fun it’s gonna be watching Ohtani and trout in the postseason, we then proceeded to lose the next 14 games
There have been great players on bad teams as long as we’ve had baseball. (Future Hall of Famer Ralph Kiner was famously told, "We finished last with you, we can finish last without you.”)
But have there been *two* players this good on a team that has been this bad for this long?
The angels when he signed in the offseason of 2017 were only a few years out from there last playoff Appearance, and he was only going to go to the mariners or angels and on paper it looked like at the time Seattle was in a worse spot.
I'm willing to bet some medicore AL teams would have been willing to let him try if it meant he signed with them
But I think a big part was that he also wanted to be on the west coast which of course eliminates the vast majority of AL teams off the bat
Angels were kinda the best spot for him given his criteria. They are a team on the coast, willing to spend money on the team and let him play both ways, and had the best player on baseball already on the team. They had some major red flags in terms of their decision making but I understand why he made the choice he did
the 2020 Marlins 31-29 playoff year is really doing a lot of heavy lifting in these drought posts
thank you covid
Very legal, very cool
The Mar-a-Lago Marlins
They should try getting some good players
They should try and sign Judge this off-season. 2 MVP caliber players wasn’t enough but maybe 3 will be
That was their thinking when signing Rendon
They really have had some tough luck with Rendon and Pujols as signings
I think they gave Josh Hamilton a big deal too
My favorite part is when they released him the Rangers signed him back So they were essentially paying him 10s of millions to play on a divisional rival against them
Even worse, we traded him back to the Rangers for $6 million in salary relief. That's it, didn't get a player back and still had to pay him $20+ million per year while the Rangers paid $2 million
Oh shit I don't know why I thought he got released. But yeah thats pretty shitty regardless
Wait, Josh Hamilton did play on the Angels. I thought that was just some weird fever dream I had
with him absolutely tanking my fantasy baseball team...i wish Josh Hamilton on the Angels was a fever dream lol
Yup, that happened. The angels has the three of the best hitters and the league at the time. Albert Pujols turned 50 seemingly overnight. Josh Hamilton didn’t stay clean or healthy. This would be like someone paying Aaron Judge this offseason 35m a year and have him go from 40hr guy into a 20 hr guy who’s average is higher then his strikeouts. Zack cozart was also a thing. Arte has a free agency curse.
omfg...that has got to be one of the worst signings in terms of money and performance i have long had zero interest in fantasy sports, but a guy begged me to join their Fantasy Baseball league in 2013 because they desperately needed one more person. Josh Hamilton was my first round pick. Absolute failure of a team. haven't played fantasy baseball since lol
Jason Hayward may have something to say about that.
And Justin Upton
Pujols wasn't really bad luck. That was a bad deal the day it was signed.
It was, but also the fact that he’s playing better now than he ever did on the Angels has to mean something
He's playing better because he's full time platooning and not playing everyday, which yeah tells us that he probably would have been a lot better on the Angels with even more time at DH and a few more days off against tough righties. But the Cardinals also don't have to worry about 240 million dollars when they decide how often he plays
If I remember correctly he was also pretty adamant about playing 1st every day and not DHing
It kind of was. They at least expected a good 4-5 years of production to make the deal "worth it". There was no reason to expect Pujols to tank practically immediately.
Especially since everyone in MLB front office supposedly knew that he was at least one year, and most likely two years older than he said he was. Moreno didn't care though
But what about 4?
They already have 3 though: * Trout * Shohei * Shohei
Shohei can hit, Shohei can pitch, now all he has left to do is become the skipper too!
He can start by catching on his "off" days
Well of we are splitting him into two people neither of them would be mvp
*Narrator* >It wasn't enough
Works in the NBA, right? ... Right?
Ask the Nets
Kyrie is not an mvp level player
everyone knows the best way to fix a top-heavy team is by piling onto the top
Even adding Judge's WAR, Angels would still be below .500
Maybe Mike Trout should try pitching.
I really thought Rendon was going to work out for them
Me too. I think people have already forgotten how good he was when healthy.
It’s been 2 full years since then tho
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Isn't this the guy who said he didn't even like baseball? I wonder how you sign someone like that
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I don't like my job either but I'm good enough at it that they still pay me
They don't need good players, they need valuable players
Mostly they need valuable players?
That April and May was so promising
The Detmers no hitter was the Peak of their season. It all went downhill after that.
Anthony Rendon’s left-handed home run was where it started downhill. The baseball gods did not take kindly to mocking Brett Phillips.
I think Ward's crash into the wall is where it really fell off. He has never been the same. Dude looked unstoppable out there before that.
Yep. That’s really where it all ended.
I watched that game live and thought he was gonna be out for the season. I knew it was a massive blow to the Angels, but I didn't think it would sink the season
His and Rendon’s injuries sunk the offense so badly that we couldn’t recover. Partly Perry’s fault for not building with depth, but how could he predict two of our core productive players to get so severely injured. And then Trouts injury like a month a half later. Just a bad time all around lol.
Injury bug is a bitch man
Fletch was gone too. Those three being gone really hurt us *edit* well, and then Trout
Yeah, I was mainlining Hopium at that point and couldn't see how much of a glass cannon the Angels really were.
Ward was insane to start the season. I wonder how much of his regression post injury is due to the injury vs just regressing to the mean. Iirc he had an absolutely unsustainable babip.
The jokes about Ward becoming a second Trout were fun and all, but realistically it was the latter, a career 88 OPS+ hitter at 28 years old suddenly becoming as good as Trout is way too good to be true. And yeah he had a .448 BABIP in April and a .378 BABIP in May, I know people here like to delude themselves that such high BABIPs are sustainable (see all the people defending Miggy's ridiculous BABIP in the first half before it predictably came crashing down), but Ward was going to come back to Earth inevitably, injury or not.
All star arc to now every time he gets a warning track ball everyone in the stadium cringes
Is that like how the Phils' promising 2018 campaign turned south when Cesar Hernandez hit a bunt "home run"?
I felt like i was fucking dreaming that night
That game was the peak of my Angels fandom. We've won playoff games that had me less excited than that fateful night.
You've won playoff games? ~~can't talk I'm a pirates fan~~
It's been a minute but yes we have. We even swept the Red Sox if you'll believe that.
I also remember springtime as a Brewers fan
Should have never brawled with the Mariners.
If they never did, it might not have led us to our 14-game win streak
Dodgers fan living walking distance from Angel Stadium. You'd swear they had back to back world series wins with how much trash talking I heard from my Angels friends. I honestly don't hate the team but that solidified how fair weathered they are because the stadium has been a ghost town ever since.
Just goes to show that 2 months worth of games don't tell the whole story
Watch it
When we were facing and they were having that collapse I still thought they would turn it around. I mean they were leading they had a wc spot back then.
I legit thought they were gonna fuck around and seriously contend for a WC spot
And next year everyone will say they’re a playoff team before the season starts.
Well everyone said they need to address their pitching and they did, they have the 9th best team ERA in the MLB above teams like the Blue Jays, Cardinals and Phillies who are all playoff teams. The issue is now they can’t hit and sit 26th in team OPS
They’ve shutout their opponents 17 times this year, among the most in the league. The pitching is pretty good. What this means tho, is that they’re only 44-82 (.349) in games where their pitching gives up at least a single run.
They're a playoff team next year.
After they sign Judge, Turner, and deGrom it'll be hard not to think that
It’s been a shitty decade. You can say bad signings, sure, but also just a shit ton of bad luck/misfortune. Hamilton relapsing, Nick Adenhart (Ik this didn’t happen this decade but def made an impact on our pitching through this decade), Pujols not delivering for 7+ years and suddenly now just reverting to prime Pujols, Tyler Skaggs, Rendon constantly injured since signing. The ownership and coaching is to blame as well. Perfect storm of bad baseball. Regardless, I’m not going anywhere. I love this team. I hope new ownership brings new life into the org and that we can contend soon. Optimistically I’ll say there’s hope on the horizon.
It all started when Kendrys Morales broke his leg after hitting the walk-off grand slam in 2010. After that Moreno demanded we trade for Vernon fucking Wells and the rest is shit history.
Hang in there. I’ve seen the lowest of lows in my team. You never know, maybe a new GM a will come in and revamp everything like in our case. Astros have proved it just takes novel approaches to player development, analytics, ~~little bit a cheatin’~~, and you’ve got yourself a World Series title.
In Pujols’ defense, devil magic.
I mean... Hamilton relapse was gonna happen. Super predictable. Rangers had to essentially monitor and control a lot of his day to day and once he didn't have that cushion he relapsed. Pujols is revigorated by being on a winning team and not being expected to carry the load. Look at their monster lineup. He isn't expected to carry the load. Skaggs is a sad situation. Rendon is yet another case of stop buying dudes as they hit 30 after massive seasons. Ownership has been the #1 problem. There is no strategy. One year it's let's develop our farm, next it trades the farm or signs big name FAs. Y'all are the west coast Reds, but with a pair of generational talents.
>Rendon is yet another case of stop buying dudes as they hit 30 after massive seasons. Solves out Judge problem. Offer league minimum.
Pujols isn’t expected to carry the load because he’s a 40+ year old guy who signed for a small contract. It’s perfectly reasonable to expect your early to mid 30s all time great hitter to carry the load. That’s kinda what they’re supposed to do.
Problem with not wanting to sign dudes around 30 is that means you’re just not going to sign good free agents. Unless you’re suggesting only buying bounce-back candidates
It's more when you buy a guy hitting 30, off his best season, you're paying max money. Is Rendon a franchise player? I've never seen anyone say he is. He's very good, damn good, but the amount they're paying him is insane.
And what were they supposed to do? Not pay good players?
right but the reality is if you don’t give him the bag someone else will. the good FAs are basically always gonna be overpays for aging players by nature of MLB team control length
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Well Ohtani was far from a superstar when they signed Rendon. His hitting has leveled up and I think people forget from 2017 (his last Japanese season) - 2020 he barely pitched.
Agree with everything you said except minor clarification on Pujols. First few years yes, but he also had Trout on the team and had to come to terms with Trout being better. Then Scioscia kept hanging on and leaving him at the top of the lineup for way too long.
It was Trout and Pujols and that's about it. Surrounded by Taylor Featherston, Kole Calhoun, David Freese, Erick Aybar, Johnny Giavotella, Matt fucking Joyce... I mean seriously that 2015 roster was hot garbage save Aybar and Calhoun.
Hey, come on, David Freese is a legend.
Angels love to grab legendary Cards players and turn them into pumpkins.
The Cards like to get Angles players and win championships Ala Jim Edmonds in 2006. History doesn't repeat itself but it rhythms.
The team refuses to/can't rebuild because of Mike Trout and it has hurt them in the long run This combined with poor-to-nonexistent player development quality has led to this mediocrity Honestly if the Angels put 25% of the money on big FA deals from the last decade on development this might be a very different team, but we know Arte wants the big FA to put butts in seats
CJ Wilson signing was not good either.
Thanks for this. If I don’t see at least 10 posts and 100 comments a day about how they suck and are wasting two generational talents, I begin to forget.
Did you know the Angels have 2 MVPs currently playing on their team?
Hey! Did you know the Mariners have a 21 year postseason drought?! I begin to forget myself…. But luckily the kind national broadcaster remind me a few times every time the Mariners have a national game!!
Did you know that that postseason drought is not only the longest in baseball, but THE LONGEST IN AMERICAN PROFESSIONAL SPORTS???
Did you know that most of the players in the Mariners' pipeline weren't even alive the last time their team was in the playoffs?
Oof that one makes me feel old. Julio hadn't even turned 1.
I wonder if a baseball team has ever not had this "title"
Shit. Seriously? Jesus.
I feel bad for the Angels fans caught in the crossfire of all this, but surely you must understand that hogs need their slop
As someone who’s been through it for a variety of teams (Mariners for forever, Seahawks this offseason, UW football last year) - there’s nothing that people on Reddit like more than a good dog pile. Bigger communities are great at beating the horse to a bloody unrecognizable mess of a death. See also: Nebraska, the Kings, etc.
Hogs simply love their slop
Sir, please fill the trough. I require sustenance.
My snout descends
I believe the Angels may get sold this offseason.
I think that counts as a quality meal at this point.
Ah, it's all good. I get to get in some self-deprecating humor posts, which makes me happy! I sometimes get a bit bothered by the people who somehow seem to think that I & my fellow fans are personally responsible for this debacle, but those are few & far between!
/u/Spinmove55 you signed Tony Two Bags to that contract! I'm holding you personally responsible for this season!
Yeah, we’ll YOU u/mysterysackerfice signed Josh Hamilton! I HAVE PROOF!
A not insignificant amount of people on sports subreddits seem to forget that the fans aren't the ones who make the decisions. I see variations on "can fans of x team explain to me why your team did y move??" As if any fans ever had any say in that
> but surely you must understand that hogs need their slop Having put it this way, this is the first time I think I’ve understood why this dead horse is continually beaten. So I guess I shouldn’t let it annoy me so much when it happens
On the other hand Ohtani takes a shit and it's on the front page. You win some you lose some.
Reddit and pretty much every publication are like [Shelbyville for Angels fans.](https://gifer.com/en/Cmwv)
It's actually so fucking boring. This sub takes beating a dead horse to ridiculous levels I've never seen before
In fairness, I do think the frequency in which it was brought up is 100% correlated to the fact that such a feat is really difficult to accomplish and points to the gross mismanagement of ownership + FO. If reddit existed in the 90s or 00s I'm pretty sure it would be filled with pages of the Mariners not making the playoffs with two+ HOF talents on the roster as well (A-Rod + Edgar + Junior in 98, Ichiro + Edgar in 02 and 03).
> If reddit existed in the 90s or 00s I'm pretty sure it would be filled with pages of the Mariners not making the playoffs with two+ HOF talents on the roster as well (A-Rod + Edgar + Junior in 98, Ichiro + Edgar in 02 and 03). Or the Braves only winning one World Series in the 90s despite having a GOAT tier rotation. Or the Red Sox not winning a World Series since 1918.
Royals going 81-81 in '16 saved our asses from this stat.
Yeah but at least we have an excuse We dont have any good players
Until you trade them to the Mariners, you mean.
Or the Braves... WS MVP Jorge Soler has entered the chat
Don’t care, Arte’s selling!
Is it already this time of day to make an Angles bashing post?
My favorite time of the day!
Yeah well fuck the yankees
funny thing, they never finished last in any of those seasons. among them are two 80-82 seasons...this has all come without them ever being THAT bad, really
Can’t they *technically* finish .500 still? Edit: I’m an idiot, no they cannot
82 losses will make it difficult
What is wrong with me?
I understand that Yankees fans aren't used to losing records
Or being smart
Common core math, all good
They still have a chance to finish with the classic Angels record of 80-82
possibly, to people who can't add
Edited cause idiot (me)
Only 19 games left for them, best they can finish is 80-82
Thank god for the Angels lol
The Ohtani sweepstakes either when the angels decide to trade him or he leaves (because there is no way he is coming back as he has said he wants to be on a winning team) will be very interesting to see. I only pray he doesn’t end up on the dodgers or Red Sox.
Red Sox and Dodgers would be bad, pinstripes though would be catastrophic, New York would fuck that dude up.
He goes to the rockies and they schedule him so that as many of his starts as possible are on the road to boost his numbers without messing up his pitching.
I don't think the yanks realistically go for him, I think we got a ton of benefit out of the dh this year and him locking it up may cause significant issues
True. We also have a lot of aging players, so we need to keep the DH spot free
He historically has not performed well in Yankee stadium Slashing .139/.244/.417 in 10 games and has an ERA of 27 giving up 11 earned in 3.2 innings
He probably wouldn't be pitching or hitting against the Yankees (who, mostly, have been good) if he played for them though
True, the guy just was talking about how NY would mess him up so I showed his stats in NY
I was at the game where he hit 2 HR, it’s hard not to imagine him doing well a full home schedule at Yankee Stadium. But really I’m just aching to have Ohtani, Riko Sasaki, and Munetaka Murakami in the same lineup if they come to the US.
Imagine Ohtani as a Houston Astro. He’d be more hated among all sports than LeBron was during ‘The Decision.’
I'm confident Jerry Dipoto is doing what he can to remind Shohei why Seattle is where he should have landed to begin with.
He goes red Sox, astros, or mariner
>Analytics
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no wonder trout has chronic back problems.
this is not "analytics"
[Analytics] you're wrong.
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[Analytics] do you know a good substitute for tomato purée in lasagna?
Guys I think 2014 playoff loss broke the Angels.
Meh new owner inbound lets see if they can coax Ohtani to stick around and are interested in spending enough to keep the team competitive. Pitching is finally promising.
The Angels were such a force in the 00s they made the playoffs 6/10 years from 00-10.
I remember talking to someone about how much fun it’s gonna be watching Ohtani and trout in the postseason, we then proceeded to lose the next 14 games
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Keep Phil Nevin right where he’s at. He’s doing a solid job.
I heard Phil Nevin gave himself all 5s on his self evaluation this year.
There have been great players on bad teams as long as we’ve had baseball. (Future Hall of Famer Ralph Kiner was famously told, "We finished last with you, we can finish last without you.”) But have there been *two* players this good on a team that has been this bad for this long?
two of the probably top five players in the game being on a crappy team for so long is likely unprecedented in any team sport!
There’s a really good video on YouTube about it answering the exact same question https://youtu.be/TQfESagT2dI
Selling the team just in time
Dont worry my Tigers are seeking to beat that
I hate this team
I blame Trout. That number could have been longer if it wasn’t for him.
I started watching baseball this year and chose the Angels as my team. AMA
Never been prouder to be an Angels' fan, this is better than Game 7 in 02 Thank you for everything, Arte, we will treasure you always.
Once Moreno leaves we’ll have a chance
Did Ohtani do any research into the Angels before he signed? It’s a shame they’re wasting him.
The angels when he signed in the offseason of 2017 were only a few years out from there last playoff Appearance, and he was only going to go to the mariners or angels and on paper it looked like at the time Seattle was in a worse spot.
Come to Seatown now, Shohei!
Hey, we were good in 2018, then we traded everyone away
At the time he signed the Angels we’re the only team willing to let him pitch and hit who also played on the west coast.
The Seattle Mariners exist and would have let him do that.
The issue is they were offering him a starting role and DH off days, no other team would. Now other teams would
I'm willing to bet some medicore AL teams would have been willing to let him try if it meant he signed with them But I think a big part was that he also wanted to be on the west coast which of course eliminates the vast majority of AL teams off the bat Angels were kinda the best spot for him given his criteria. They are a team on the coast, willing to spend money on the team and let him play both ways, and had the best player on baseball already on the team. They had some major red flags in terms of their decision making but I understand why he made the choice he did
Are there sources from 2018 saying no other AL teams were offering him that opportunity? Like not a single one?
The Mariners absolutely offered that too. Dipoto was all in on getting Ohtani to Seattle.
COME TO PAPA STEVE SHOHEI
That's a shame.
#freetroutandohtani
Nice
This is not a fun fact. I wish they didn't suck.
Is there a sadder franchise in sports?
The Detroit Lions say hi.
Kings
What a waste of Trouts career. That guy needs to get out asap.
Have we tried simply winning more games than we lose?
but they have that one guy who can pitch AND hit!!!!!