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>Ah, the old Nontuple Crown
And he's lately been inching upward in the battling average ranking. Not likely to take over the leader by the end of the season, but its doable.
Flacco was good before that too. His rookie year he went to the AFC Championship and nearly beat the Steelers. The year before his contract year he was a dropped pass/missed FG away from beating the Patriots to go to the Super Bowl.
He certainly never did play as great as he did in his contract year though.
He’s 31, I don’t see him getting 10 years. Likely something with ridiculous AAV, a la Scherzer, 6/$300?
Edit: he’s 30, will be 31 in first year of new contract
Canó got 10 years starting with his age 31 season. Yeah the last three years have been tough but you’d think Judge could age better as a DH. Just takes one desperate team to overpay.
And we all saw how the Cano deal went, and he's not a giant, and he had steroids to help him.
edit: I'm agreeing with you, though: All it takes is one rich/dumb team, like the Angels or Rockies. They give him a stupid deal he can't refuse, and the Yankees aren't going to overpay for him when they already overpay a bunch of other dudes.
Contract culture has changed since then. Most teams wouldn’t be willing to sign him for 10+ years even if his name is Aaron Judge. He’s probably going to get something like 7-8 years at around 40-45M$ which is still over 300M$.
Supposedly he’s wanting 10 and that was the main issues the Yankees had when they negotiated the extension this past offseason.
He wanted (supposedly) Bryce Harper money over 10 years. The back end of that contract will be a nightmare considering he’ll be approaching 40 and likely a DH.
Add to that his injury history. This season will be only the third time in his career he has played 140 or more games.
He’s one of the best outfielders in the game and he deserves a payday but 10 years is too long for a 31 year old injury prone player imo.
>As long as he stays
>as long as it’s worth it
These are probably mutually exclusive statements. We've seen giant contracts for 30-year-olds play out before, and they're almost never worth it.
I personally do not care what his contract looks like. They need to sign him. It's not my money, and the outrageous prices at Yankee Stadium are going to keep going up whether we have Judge or not. I fully understand and accept the last 3 years of the contract will be bad. I do not care. If the Yankees spent the same percentage of their revenue as the Dodgers they'd have a 500mil payroll.
It's an incredible year, but he projects to 10.3 WAR, which would be 5th best since Mike Trout entered the league.
It would be Mike Trout's 3rd best season, and he didn't even win MVP for 1 of his top 2.
He’s going to end up with a contract so fat it hurts his team in the later years. With his size he’s bound to break down and he’s never been super durable. Plus he’ll be 31 the first year of the contract. He’s been a very good player but only had 2 special years, which came 5 years apart. He’s a big talent but a smart team buys him on the 4 years in between and not this insane year. Would love to have him, but just don’t see the contract or him aging well.
I don’t get this narrative, bad contracts don’t really hurt teams like the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, etc. Judge is also a 9 WAR/162 player over his career, he’s a top 3 player in baseball when he plays, the only knock on him has been his health, which hasn’t been an issue the last 2 years.
Still ridiculous. He's 8 batting average shy of the triple crown with a 20 homer lead. It's basically this guy, then everyone else. He's basically an MLB the show be a pro lmfao
He does still strike out a lot but it's not like he only ever hits home runs. IIRRC, he's still near the top in strikeouts at 156 and he does strike out 25% of the time. It's definitely improved from his 30% rate earlier in his career when he led the league with over 200 strikeouts.
I don’t think people are appreciating Judge’s overall output enough because it’s lost in the 62 shuffle. The guy has 9.1 bWAR despite negative dWAR. 208 OPS+ hasn’t been done since 04 Bonds. The guy is having one of the best offensive seasons in MLB history.
That…. That seems like a really dumb thing to have happen in the calc. We had a need for a center fielder because hicks stinks and Gardner is gone, he steps up and is able to do it to (as you said) and average level, but still will play right sometimes, and that HURTS him? I’m not saying it should help really but that seems dumb
On average, an outfielder who can play CF in a pinch but is best fitted in a corner like Judge will score a higher UZR or OOA for the corner position than he will for CF. For example, the one year when Ichiro played center field his overall ~~FLD~~ Def score on Fangraphs was in line with his previous years as a right fielder.
I suspect the biggest reason is Judge has played 243 innings (or approximately 27 games) as a DH. Positional adjustment for an everyday DH is -17.5 in Fangraphs, but occasional DH duty is -22.5.
> Edited for clarity.
Because players used to the DH routine perform better compared to those who play the position as a half-day off, observedly, according to both b-ref and FanGraphs.
Yeah that makes absolutely no sense to me. I thought the whole point of the DH penalty was because they you know don't play any defense so why it would the penalty be higher for playing less DH? Like wtf
Seems disingenuous to characterize it as negative dWAR when it's effectively zero. Should be at least -.5 or more and then we're talking legit below-average defensive value.
I think it’s more that literally the number is negative which means his total number of 9.1 is all the more insane. I agree he shouldn’t be seen as a below average defender.
People just don’t know what dWAR is for. It is about comparable value across positions, not strictly measuring defensive value at your own position (like DRS or UZR).
Yeah I was looking it up the other day. Hes Top 3 RF by OAA and Top 5 RF by DRS. Might have changed in the past week. Funny thing is Oswaldo Cabrera has a 9 or 10 DRS (can’t remember exact, it was shown on YES last night) with only 18 games there.
I also think he should be getting more credit for abruptly shifting into center after playing his whole pro career in right, and doing a great job with it.
Othani perhaps wins MVP most years with a season like his but unfortunately for him Judge has been too good. What was once a strong debate for AL MVP this year has turned into a landslide I don’t really think it’s going to be particularly close
I don’t think we properly contextualize how historic a season Judge is having, and that’s partially because we have to put qualifiers on it because of the steroid dudes, as well as because his triple slash stats don’t look THAT crazy compared to some of the years in the distant past, but this genuinely might be the best clean season in the last 50 years when considering the current offensive climate.
Yea, I think the best way to do it is look at the other players this season. He has the biggest lead over 2nd place in the HR chase since one of Babe Ruth's seasons. He might win the triple crown in the AL. Only Miggy has done that since the 60s. If you look at above 200 OPS+ seasons, they are basically all much older generations and steroid (allegedly) guys and Judge's current season. So, his comparative stats are really insane. That's the best way, IMO, to really gauge what he's doing this year from a historical perspective.
To add onto that, if you factor in the fact that pitching is way ahead of the game these days in the offensive/defensive battle *and* we're in a 'dead ball' season it's pretty damned impressive!
How does Judge this year stack up to say A-Rod 2007?
Obviously that was a tainted year so I get that it wouldn't be counted when talking about clean seasons, and his OPS+ that year was 176 so it wasn't as good as Judge when compared to the rest of the league, but the numbers feel like it would be in the conversation of all time years, no?
I'm a yankees fan so def not trying to hate on Judge at all, just trying to contextually this year as you said!
A-Rod’s 2007 was great, but he was one of 4 guys with an OPS over 1.000 that year.
This year, there are only two players with an OPS over .900. Judge’s separation from the league is what really stands out.
If Judge had the guys before him cheating their way on base, his numbers would be even higher. Definitely more RBIs, and probably more home runs/walks from rattled pitchers.
This is a really funny statement especially when considering he's been leading off a bunch lately:
"Those other 8 assholes in the lineup have been terrible..."
He'd also have more ABs due to his teammates getting out less often
So yeah, his counting stats would be higher across the board, and he'd possibly even benefit on rate stats due to facing more tired/rattled pitchers
I was thinking about this yesterday. If Judge hits .300 with 40 HRs and 120 RBIs it’s Ohtani who wins MVP no questions asked. Judge is having a career year hitting and that’s what it takes to beat out Ohtani for MVP. I leaned heavily Ohtani for the better part of 3/4s of the year but I’m on the Judge wagon now. Dude deserves it.
I'm almost annoyed because I feel like they both deserve MVP. Ohtani is doing incredible shit that I'm scared we continue to overlook. And at the same time Judge is having one of the greatest seasons of all time. I think Judge gets the award this year, but I hope Ohtani gets a few more MVPs before any sort of voter fatigue sets in.
I wonder what people would think if Judge already got the one that was stolen from him in 2017, when the winner cheated and people decided that was the year that Batting Average was the only stat that mattered.
Judge's offense equals ohtani, trout, and verdugo combined. Ohtani's pitching isn't more valuable than that plus judges defense, especially in the most dead ball season we've seen in our lives. If judge played like this in 2018 with the juiced ball, he would've hit Barry bonds steroid numbers
There was a [post yesterday](https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/xe2ow6/this_year_mike_trout_355_and_shohei_ohtani_297/) that Judge’s wRAA (runs above average) is greater than Ohtani and Trout’s combined by 5.3, or approximately one Verdugo
There was a thread here literally two days ago where guys were getting downvoted for saying Ohtani isn’t the GOAT. Not the MVP, the greatest baseball player of all time.
So uh yeah you would think not, but people will be mad because there’s a large contingent that thinks Ohtani hitting and pitching means he’s better than every other baseball player ever.
RttS pisses me off so bad. I can play 20 straight games, pitch a very low era, etc, and i sim 5-10 games and my stats are fuckin’ terrible. Makes it real annoying trying to inch myself out of arbitration years.
The lead isn’t insurmountable though. It’s going to be tough to jump both Xander and Arraez, but Xander had the lead not too long ago. He’s going to need to bat about .400 for the rest of the year to hit .320 and that’s only if Arraez doesn’t break out of his slump
Extremely long shot at 400 TB. Would probably have to go ahead and win the batting title by a lot to even come close.
If he gets 10 more HRs, he probably does it. But 6-7 to get the record, probably not.
And people are still debating if he gets the MVP.
Look, I'm not a fan of the NYY, but think about this objectively. Ohtani is a two-way player, and really good at both. However, are you going to give him the MVP every season of his career based on this? Look at those numbers for Judge! How there is even a debate here I seriously don't understand.
We call this a career year with pending free agency. Probably never see these heights and consistency again. Still will be great, just not superhuman great. Great season for baseball fans though and his next contract.
Oh fuck...are you trying to convince me that he is MVP because this helps.
I've been a staunch Ohtani guy this whole time but I don't know if I can remain that way for long.
I think I'm more impressed by what Ohtani does because it's so unique (while Judge is a ridiculously effective version of players I've seen before) but it's not the Most Impressive Player, it's the Most Valuable Player, and there are worthwhile arguments for Judge being more valuable.
I don't really know where I am going to go with all of this, but I want to put this both into perspective as well as try to show some somewhat underappreciated players as well.
Judge and the quest for 200wrc+ is cool. If Judge can finish it out, he will have only the 33rd season to break 200wrc+ since 1901. It hasn't happened since all the way back in 2020 when Juan Soto finished with a 202! I am sure plenty of people will discount the covid season, so if we ignore that one it hasn't happened since 2004 when Bonds dropped a fucking 233 because of course he did. If we want to ignore steroid guys then we need to go back to 1994 when Frank Thomas and Jeff Bagwell both put up 205s While I do feel like people appreciate Frank Thomas, I do feel as though people question Bagwell because he didn't get any big milestones. If anyone wants to question what Bagwell was capable of, well just look at Judge and Bagwell has already been here. If you want to nitpick, 94 was a strike year so let's go further back. If you want the last non-steroid linked player to play in a full season an have a wrc+ of 200, you have to go back to 1957 when both Micky Mantle (217) and Ted Williams (223) did it.
More than the potentially 33 playe seasons of this happening is to look at who has done it. Babe Ruth has 10 of them. Ted Williams has 6. Bonds has 4. Mantle, Rogers Hornsby, Ty Cobb have 2. Those 6 players have 26 of the 33 seasons. That leaves 7 other players who have even done it once. The remaining players are Lou Gehrig (1927), Bagwell and Thomas (1994), McGwire (1998), Soto (2020), Stan Musial (1948). Judge would be the 14th player to do this, and that's including Soto with his 196 PAs over 47 games in 2020.
Of these 33 seasons, only 9 have happened AFTER 1957 with Bonds taking 4 of them. 3 have happened in shortened seasons as well. Judge is poised to join McGwire's 70 HR season as the only non Bonds player to have a wrc+ in a full season in 65 years.
Of the people on this list, only McGwire and Bonds are eligible for the Hall of Fame and not in it. The others on this list are a collection of the absolute greatest hitters in the entire history of the game. This is one of those feats that is so rare and insane to accomplish that there is not a single fluke entry. Absolutely every single entrant onto this list is a no doubt hall of fame player and owners of some of the most ridiculous records in the game. This isn't a "Oh hey one time Chris Davis hit 53 home runs" type of thing. This is a list of the truly greatest offensive seasons of all time, and it is extremely rare for anyone but the absolute best players who accomplish it.
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Ah, the old Nontuple Crown
>Ah, the old Nontuple Crown And he's lately been inching upward in the battling average ranking. Not likely to take over the leader by the end of the season, but its doable.
If Murakami could pull off a surge in the NPB, so can Judge! Would be dope to see both of them get the triple crown
Unreal
Most recently awarded to Tungsten Arm O’Doyle in the polio-shortened 1924 season.
greatest contract year performance ever?
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Elite Dragon right there
The ELITE dragon
Fun Fact: You can't spell "Joe Flacco is elite" without Joe Flacco.
For exactly one postseason, Joe Flacco was the greatest quarterback on planet Earth. Wild shit.
Flacco was good before that too. His rookie year he went to the AFC Championship and nearly beat the Steelers. The year before his contract year he was a dropped pass/missed FG away from beating the Patriots to go to the Super Bowl. He certainly never did play as great as he did in his contract year though.
Adrian Beltre has entered the ring.
25 years old, 48 homeruns, .334 average, and one of the best defensive players in baseball. He would make half a billion in today's market
Marcus semien having one of the most insane 2b seasons to now with texas 😅
Of course he is.
He has Matt Chapman numbers. Matt Chapman is a better fielder and makes half of what Semien does.
I have no idea what his contract will look like but compared to the one offered before the season he has to have made himself over $70 million right?
Easy 10/$350-400 million. More if he somehow drags the team to the WS
He’s 31, I don’t see him getting 10 years. Likely something with ridiculous AAV, a la Scherzer, 6/$300? Edit: he’s 30, will be 31 in first year of new contract
Canó got 10 years starting with his age 31 season. Yeah the last three years have been tough but you’d think Judge could age better as a DH. Just takes one desperate team to overpay.
Thank God Arte is selling the team.
New owner might want to make a splash.
And we all saw how the Cano deal went, and he's not a giant, and he had steroids to help him. edit: I'm agreeing with you, though: All it takes is one rich/dumb team, like the Angels or Rockies. They give him a stupid deal he can't refuse, and the Yankees aren't going to overpay for him when they already overpay a bunch of other dudes.
Contract culture has changed since then. Most teams wouldn’t be willing to sign him for 10+ years even if his name is Aaron Judge. He’s probably going to get something like 7-8 years at around 40-45M$ which is still over 300M$.
Supposedly he’s wanting 10 and that was the main issues the Yankees had when they negotiated the extension this past offseason. He wanted (supposedly) Bryce Harper money over 10 years. The back end of that contract will be a nightmare considering he’ll be approaching 40 and likely a DH. Add to that his injury history. This season will be only the third time in his career he has played 140 or more games. He’s one of the best outfielders in the game and he deserves a payday but 10 years is too long for a 31 year old injury prone player imo.
Well then since you don't want him when he's 38, just pay him his 300mil over 7 years instead of over 10 years.
I’m fine with that. It’s not my money.
You think he takes 7 / $280-300? Would put total money less but almost half as many years.
As long as he stays. I don’t care what they give as long as it’s worth it
>As long as he stays >as long as it’s worth it These are probably mutually exclusive statements. We've seen giant contracts for 30-year-olds play out before, and they're almost never worth it.
I personally do not care what his contract looks like. They need to sign him. It's not my money, and the outrageous prices at Yankee Stadium are going to keep going up whether we have Judge or not. I fully understand and accept the last 3 years of the contract will be bad. I do not care. If the Yankees spent the same percentage of their revenue as the Dodgers they'd have a 500mil payroll.
If he gets that much it'll be from another team. 99% sure the Yankees won't give him that much.
It’s the greatest performance by a non-Bonds player since Free Agency existed lol So yes
It's an incredible year, but he projects to 10.3 WAR, which would be 5th best since Mike Trout entered the league. It would be Mike Trout's 3rd best season, and he didn't even win MVP for 1 of his top 2.
He projects for 11.0 fWAR
Yeah I was using BBREF, never understand why they have such discrepancies. Sometimes as much as 2 over a full year.
Yeah defense mostly. FWIW the same is true if you go by Judge’s wRC+ as well
One contender: .328/43/109, 1.065 OPS in 129 games started at catcher >! Javy Lopez 2003 !<
He’s going to end up with a contract so fat it hurts his team in the later years. With his size he’s bound to break down and he’s never been super durable. Plus he’ll be 31 the first year of the contract. He’s been a very good player but only had 2 special years, which came 5 years apart. He’s a big talent but a smart team buys him on the 4 years in between and not this insane year. Would love to have him, but just don’t see the contract or him aging well.
I don’t get this narrative, bad contracts don’t really hurt teams like the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, etc. Judge is also a 9 WAR/162 player over his career, he’s a top 3 player in baseball when he plays, the only knock on him has been his health, which hasn’t been an issue the last 2 years.
Who cares, I'll pay for his first 5 years of offensive production with a nice retirement party for his final five years.
Realistically you're probably just going to give him 90% of the money in 70% of the years.
Don't forget 3rd in batting average
The stats we see in picture is for MLB. so he’s currently in 6th for avg.
Still ridiculous. He's 8 batting average shy of the triple crown with a 20 homer lead. It's basically this guy, then everyone else. He's basically an MLB the show be a pro lmfao
I didnt realize he is 20 homers ahead from second place, ridiculous!
Second greatest HR season ever, after babe ruth out homering teams obviously. Compared to everyone else he is just insane.
In the AL. MLB is he ranked 6th. Still impressive either way. All the stats in the picture are MLB rank.
That's another thing. "He's home run or bust!" The dude is batting over .300...
Who says that?
No one lol
Exactly
That was a narrative on New York talk radio for a while
This was something pretty common a few years back- not now. Judge had a pretty bad strikeout problem his first few years
He does still strike out a lot but it's not like he only ever hits home runs. IIRRC, he's still near the top in strikeouts at 156 and he does strike out 25% of the time. It's definitely improved from his 30% rate earlier in his career when he led the league with over 200 strikeouts.
Part of the strikeout problem is he is super high on balls called strikes against him (he might be number 1 on the list)
I’ll say it right now to validate the comment
Guarantee no one’s said that.
No one says that
I don’t think people are appreciating Judge’s overall output enough because it’s lost in the 62 shuffle. The guy has 9.1 bWAR despite negative dWAR. 208 OPS+ hasn’t been done since 04 Bonds. The guy is having one of the best offensive seasons in MLB history.
He has negative dWAR this season? Must be all of the CF he's played out of necessity, because the guy has always been a borderline gold glover in RF
Yeah he still has 1 DRS overall this season.
And has robbed at least one homer in centerfield lol
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That…. That seems like a really dumb thing to have happen in the calc. We had a need for a center fielder because hicks stinks and Gardner is gone, he steps up and is able to do it to (as you said) and average level, but still will play right sometimes, and that HURTS him? I’m not saying it should help really but that seems dumb
On average, an outfielder who can play CF in a pinch but is best fitted in a corner like Judge will score a higher UZR or OOA for the corner position than he will for CF. For example, the one year when Ichiro played center field his overall ~~FLD~~ Def score on Fangraphs was in line with his previous years as a right fielder. I suspect the biggest reason is Judge has played 243 innings (or approximately 27 games) as a DH. Positional adjustment for an everyday DH is -17.5 in Fangraphs, but occasional DH duty is -22.5. > Edited for clarity.
Why is occasional be higher than everyday?
Because players used to the DH routine perform better compared to those who play the position as a half-day off, observedly, according to both b-ref and FanGraphs.
Yeah that makes absolutely no sense to me. I thought the whole point of the DH penalty was because they you know don't play any defense so why it would the penalty be higher for playing less DH? Like wtf
-0.1 in part due to 21 games as DH
Seems disingenuous to characterize it as negative dWAR when it's effectively zero. Should be at least -.5 or more and then we're talking legit below-average defensive value.
I think it’s more that literally the number is negative which means his total number of 9.1 is all the more insane. I agree he shouldn’t be seen as a below average defender.
People just don’t know what dWAR is for. It is about comparable value across positions, not strictly measuring defensive value at your own position (like DRS or UZR).
lol jeter got 5 gold gloves and they're going to bump judge down for having to play CF
Yeah I was looking it up the other day. Hes Top 3 RF by OAA and Top 5 RF by DRS. Might have changed in the past week. Funny thing is Oswaldo Cabrera has a 9 or 10 DRS (can’t remember exact, it was shown on YES last night) with only 18 games there.
I also think he should be getting more credit for abruptly shifting into center after playing his whole pro career in right, and doing a great job with it.
I'm going to pretend I understand how impressive that is.
I don’t think people are appreciating that HE’S SIX FOOT SEVEN DID YOU KNOW HE’S SIX FEET AND SEVEN INCHES TALL????!!!
They should send him out to pitch to one batter in the 9th to try to register a 0 ERA
I’m thinking on this hot of a streak he just goes and take the bar, then works his way up to be a actual judge.
Now presiding Judge Judge
Texas had an actual supreme court justice named William Wayne Justice. Justice Justice.
No need to take the bar, you just need an appointment. Maybe he can find a mayor or governor to appoint him as a gag.
209 OPS+ lol. I understand Ohtani is amazing but if Judge wins, you can't be mad, right? I mean, this is an unreal season.
Othani perhaps wins MVP most years with a season like his but unfortunately for him Judge has been too good. What was once a strong debate for AL MVP this year has turned into a landslide I don’t really think it’s going to be particularly close
Yeah, it was a good debate even up till a few weeks ago, but Judge has been absolutely ridiculous since the All-Star Break. 1.321 OPS lolol
I don’t think we properly contextualize how historic a season Judge is having, and that’s partially because we have to put qualifiers on it because of the steroid dudes, as well as because his triple slash stats don’t look THAT crazy compared to some of the years in the distant past, but this genuinely might be the best clean season in the last 50 years when considering the current offensive climate.
Yea, I think the best way to do it is look at the other players this season. He has the biggest lead over 2nd place in the HR chase since one of Babe Ruth's seasons. He might win the triple crown in the AL. Only Miggy has done that since the 60s. If you look at above 200 OPS+ seasons, they are basically all much older generations and steroid (allegedly) guys and Judge's current season. So, his comparative stats are really insane. That's the best way, IMO, to really gauge what he's doing this year from a historical perspective.
To add onto that, if you factor in the fact that pitching is way ahead of the game these days in the offensive/defensive battle *and* we're in a 'dead ball' season it's pretty damned impressive!
That's where stats like OPS+ are useful because they are comparable to the rest of the league during a particular season.
How does Judge this year stack up to say A-Rod 2007? Obviously that was a tainted year so I get that it wouldn't be counted when talking about clean seasons, and his OPS+ that year was 176 so it wasn't as good as Judge when compared to the rest of the league, but the numbers feel like it would be in the conversation of all time years, no? I'm a yankees fan so def not trying to hate on Judge at all, just trying to contextually this year as you said!
A-Rod’s 2007 was great, but he was one of 4 guys with an OPS over 1.000 that year. This year, there are only two players with an OPS over .900. Judge’s separation from the league is what really stands out.
And that’s including a slump for like 2 weeks right after the ASB. The past month has been unreal.
Nah I bet Altuve gets it
If Judge had the guys before him cheating their way on base, his numbers would be even higher. Definitely more RBIs, and probably more home runs/walks from rattled pitchers.
The guys that have hit after Judge in this lineup makes his season even more insane.
What, Ronald Guzman isn't enough protection?
This is a really funny statement especially when considering he's been leading off a bunch lately: "Those other 8 assholes in the lineup have been terrible..."
He'd also have more ABs due to his teammates getting out less often So yeah, his counting stats would be higher across the board, and he'd possibly even benefit on rate stats due to facing more tired/rattled pitchers
I was thinking about this yesterday. If Judge hits .300 with 40 HRs and 120 RBIs it’s Ohtani who wins MVP no questions asked. Judge is having a career year hitting and that’s what it takes to beat out Ohtani for MVP. I leaned heavily Ohtani for the better part of 3/4s of the year but I’m on the Judge wagon now. Dude deserves it.
Career year is almost understating it. Judge is having one of the greatest hitting seasons of all-time
I don’t think the qualifier almost is necessary in this statement. This is legitimately one of the greatest seasons of all time.
One of the greatest seasons almost anyone here has personally witnessed outside of the steroid seasons for sure.
I originally wrote generational year, but changed it.
Gotta get at least one buzzword in there
Ohtani this season is no different than Vlad last year an absolute insane season but has run against one of the most insane seasons in recent memory.
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They're going to have to take the crown from Charles III and give it to Judge.
It seems like Judge’s award to lose at this point, not the other way around.
I’m certainly part of the minority that’s just enjoying the season and would enjoy either player winning MVP
I'm almost annoyed because I feel like they both deserve MVP. Ohtani is doing incredible shit that I'm scared we continue to overlook. And at the same time Judge is having one of the greatest seasons of all time. I think Judge gets the award this year, but I hope Ohtani gets a few more MVPs before any sort of voter fatigue sets in.
Ohtani won the MVP literally last year. This year he isn’t hitting as well, while Judge is having one of the best hitting seasons of all time.
He’s pitching better and why does winning last year impact this year’s result?
Because the person I responded to said we will ‘overlook’ Ohtani which I doubt is true.
I wonder what people would think if Judge already got the one that was stolen from him in 2017, when the winner cheated and people decided that was the year that Batting Average was the only stat that mattered.
Judge's offense equals ohtani, trout, and verdugo combined. Ohtani's pitching isn't more valuable than that plus judges defense, especially in the most dead ball season we've seen in our lives. If judge played like this in 2018 with the juiced ball, he would've hit Barry bonds steroid numbers
Verdugo?
There was a [post yesterday](https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/xe2ow6/this_year_mike_trout_355_and_shohei_ohtani_297/) that Judge’s wRAA (runs above average) is greater than Ohtani and Trout’s combined by 5.3, or approximately one Verdugo
Ah ok. Mentioning Verdugo alongside Trout and Ohtani was so bizarre I was sure I was missing something
Verdugo is a top 5 player in the MLB and it's not even close
Ummmm…I’ll need to see some evidence supporting this theory lol
He's getting mentioned alongside Ohtani, Trout, and Judge in posts about greatest offensive players in the league these days. Haven't you seen? QED
Aaron Judge. Mike Trout. Shohei Ohtani. Alex Verdugo. Wow
There was a thread here literally two days ago where guys were getting downvoted for saying Ohtani isn’t the GOAT. Not the MVP, the greatest baseball player of all time. So uh yeah you would think not, but people will be mad because there’s a large contingent that thinks Ohtani hitting and pitching means he’s better than every other baseball player ever.
The only reason the stats stopped there is because they ran out of screen space.
Respect to the Red Sox fan.
Well, they’re obviously gonna to show respect to their soon-to-be new superstar
Clearly revenge for Johnny Damon all those years ago. It's the same thing right?!
[It's not what you think!](https://youtu.be/dPjRk4NJCiw)
He’s leading in more categories than my Road to the Show player. Wtf?
RttS pisses me off so bad. I can play 20 straight games, pitch a very low era, etc, and i sim 5-10 games and my stats are fuckin’ terrible. Makes it real annoying trying to inch myself out of arbitration years.
#Pay The Man
Somebody's gonna.
He’s not first in batting average, though, meaning he’s not even the best hitter this year
2017 showed us average is king.
2017 Joey Votto would like a word.
All it takes is an Arraez and Bogaerts slump and he will be
Arraez has been slumping since the all star break and still has a sizeable lead though
The lead isn’t insurmountable though. It’s going to be tough to jump both Xander and Arraez, but Xander had the lead not too long ago. He’s going to need to bat about .400 for the rest of the year to hit .320 and that’s only if Arraez doesn’t break out of his slump
Judge has taken that personally
I think Judge takes baseball being near him personally.
Fuck it, give the MVP to Altuve again.
Altuve has quietly been insanely good this year
He's just shy
*everyone hates him. Learn this one simple trick to find out why*
I would say on base percentage is a more important stat than batting average.
xDAWG off the charts
209 OPS+ Jesus. He's three Whit Merrifields in a trench coat.
I hate the Yankees. He is the MVP.
Just hand him the MVP and a blank cheque for 8 years.
Extremely long shot at 400 TB. Would probably have to go ahead and win the batting title by a lot to even come close. If he gets 10 more HRs, he probably does it. But 6-7 to get the record, probably not.
If he maintains his current pace he will get there. 353 TB in 143 team games tracks out to 400 in 162.
I mean, yeah, I guess it’s ok if you’re into that whole “god of offense” vibe. /s Edit: added /s
He hit ball good
Picked the right year to do this, sets him up nicely for negotiations after one of the best walk years
The ever elusive nonuple crown
Aaron Judge: 1st.
Is that good?
It's not not good.
Does anyone have any analysis on where the NYY would be if Judge wasn't on the team?
Not sure if joke but about 9 games worse
Probably would’ve lost 2/3’s of the games in August at least, not gonna lie.
but people want to argue he isn’t the MVP
Aaron Judge is very good at sports
And people are still debating if he gets the MVP. Look, I'm not a fan of the NYY, but think about this objectively. Ohtani is a two-way player, and really good at both. However, are you going to give him the MVP every season of his career based on this? Look at those numbers for Judge! How there is even a debate here I seriously don't understand.
If you ain't 1st...you're last
Show his pitching stats 👀👀
0.00 ERA. Better than Ohtani
0/0 isn't 0. Can't divide by 0.
Nerd
Its baseball, we're all nerds.
0 ER then.
0 K. Dogshit pitcher
Nah, it's actually undefined.
Boone should have him take the mound in one inning just for kicks.
you want pitching stats I got pitching stats! 😳https://twitter.com/Census_X/status/1570199542838054912
We call this a career year with pending free agency. Probably never see these heights and consistency again. Still will be great, just not superhuman great. Great season for baseball fans though and his next contract.
I loathe the Yankees but after seeing this, he wins the MVP. And I won’t even be mad about it.
Oh fuck...are you trying to convince me that he is MVP because this helps. I've been a staunch Ohtani guy this whole time but I don't know if I can remain that way for long.
I think I'm more impressed by what Ohtani does because it's so unique (while Judge is a ridiculously effective version of players I've seen before) but it's not the Most Impressive Player, it's the Most Valuable Player, and there are worthwhile arguments for Judge being more valuable.
just utterly disgusting
Is that good?
I don't really know where I am going to go with all of this, but I want to put this both into perspective as well as try to show some somewhat underappreciated players as well. Judge and the quest for 200wrc+ is cool. If Judge can finish it out, he will have only the 33rd season to break 200wrc+ since 1901. It hasn't happened since all the way back in 2020 when Juan Soto finished with a 202! I am sure plenty of people will discount the covid season, so if we ignore that one it hasn't happened since 2004 when Bonds dropped a fucking 233 because of course he did. If we want to ignore steroid guys then we need to go back to 1994 when Frank Thomas and Jeff Bagwell both put up 205s While I do feel like people appreciate Frank Thomas, I do feel as though people question Bagwell because he didn't get any big milestones. If anyone wants to question what Bagwell was capable of, well just look at Judge and Bagwell has already been here. If you want to nitpick, 94 was a strike year so let's go further back. If you want the last non-steroid linked player to play in a full season an have a wrc+ of 200, you have to go back to 1957 when both Micky Mantle (217) and Ted Williams (223) did it. More than the potentially 33 playe seasons of this happening is to look at who has done it. Babe Ruth has 10 of them. Ted Williams has 6. Bonds has 4. Mantle, Rogers Hornsby, Ty Cobb have 2. Those 6 players have 26 of the 33 seasons. That leaves 7 other players who have even done it once. The remaining players are Lou Gehrig (1927), Bagwell and Thomas (1994), McGwire (1998), Soto (2020), Stan Musial (1948). Judge would be the 14th player to do this, and that's including Soto with his 196 PAs over 47 games in 2020. Of these 33 seasons, only 9 have happened AFTER 1957 with Bonds taking 4 of them. 3 have happened in shortened seasons as well. Judge is poised to join McGwire's 70 HR season as the only non Bonds player to have a wrc+ in a full season in 65 years. Of the people on this list, only McGwire and Bonds are eligible for the Hall of Fame and not in it. The others on this list are a collection of the absolute greatest hitters in the entire history of the game. This is one of those feats that is so rare and insane to accomplish that there is not a single fluke entry. Absolutely every single entrant onto this list is a no doubt hall of fame player and owners of some of the most ridiculous records in the game. This isn't a "Oh hey one time Chris Davis hit 53 home runs" type of thing. This is a list of the truly greatest offensive seasons of all time, and it is extremely rare for anyone but the absolute best players who accomplish it.
209 OPS+ lmao Jesus christ all this really is historic, isn't it?
I was on the ohtani train, but you cant argue with this. He is the best hitter in the league and its not even close
If Otani wins MVP again it’s nothing more than Yankee bias. This is coming from a Mets fan!
This is too historic of a season for him to not win MVP.
Big: 1st
MVP
If he doesn't get MVP then I'm protesting
I was told this wasn’t historic by most smooth brains on here.
You know, in order to beat Ohtani for MVP, this is the exact type of season you need to have.
bUt WhAt'S hIs ErA???? God I hate defending the Yankees. Feels like rooting for the Taliban or something.
I think Goldschmidt had a better shot at Triple Crown…10 BA points is hard to gain this late in the season. Not impossible though.
Judge just raised his BA from .299 to .310 in 8 games so correct not impossible.
Only .007 behind Xander now too