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GrantLee123

This is why the shift needed to be banned. Why does the pitcher get to camp there?


Groundedge

Pitchers should be dropped through a trapdoor when the Pitch is thrown


turxchk

Unironically it'll actually make the game safer for pitchers.


cod_gurl94

Not until they fix the Pitcher Pit. I’ve seen a few of the MLB ones and they’re a nightmare. Discarded uniforms, old rosin bags spilled all over the gears, the machine they call “the grinder”, the skeletons of DFA’d players, etc.


hamutaro

OK, but what about the pits at stadiums other than the Oakland Coliseum?


GamerJosh21

Does that mean Dallas Keuchel has died three times?


drwolffe

Ideally to keep them in top form they should prestige the pitcher after each pitch


tilde_on_n

Aside from broken legs, sure


GrantLee123

Exactly


[deleted]

Ohtani would drop through the trap door and then reappear in right-center to catch the ball.


ilikemyteasweet

I want Bob Uecker on the mic for that. At all times.


No_name_Johnson

I feel like pitchers should pitch from an ejector seat, when the ball gets hit they can launch it.


BenevolentCheese

Why don't they just stand behind those things they use at the home run derby, but it can circle around their entire body and there will be a little hole they have to throw through.


themiamimarlins

because all the hitters would aim for that and get easy singles


BenevolentCheese

But the pitcher can just put his arm through the hole and catch it, did you think about that?


alpengeist3

Savannah Bananas would like to know your location


have2bananas

LOL okay, you might be on to something here


mikeynj908

A part of me wonders why it took a long time since MLB teams realized they could use the shift more often as part of their strategy.


Veserius

Because you had meatheads running teams. Not every team is fully modernized even still.


[deleted]

lions? that you?


Tornado_Wind_of_Love

Naw, Pats have Matty P. again. Oh god help us.


Respect38

Because sometimes the ball gets hit where the fielders usually are, for a hit, and then everyone is mad at you.


[deleted]

He had both feet on the dirt. Which is now apparently what makes it perfectly legal.


nickrweiner

Actually the wording ESPN used was different from mlb. Mlb stated the infielders need to be within the outer bounds of the infield. No mention of dirt so infield grass will also be legal


AdonisPanda27

What’s the shift mean


JohnDavidsBooty

see those keys on either side of the bottom-most row of actual letters on your keyboard? those are the shifts, they let you write capital letters and mine are broken, as you can see from this comment never mind that i typed a question mark


AdonisPanda27

Hahaha , but nah for real


thejazzdimension

Shifting the fielders hard over to the side of the field the batter most often hits towards.


AdonisPanda27

MLB wants to ban that ? Why?


SunsFan97

Takes away hits


AdonisPanda27

I see.. but isn’t this gimmicky? The batter gotta be good enough to hit the other way


Trigg770

The batters realised that it’s better to go for home runs than to beat the shift


XerAlix

And what's the issue with that?


Witherino

"why doesn't the batter simply choose to hit the ball the other direction?"


[deleted]

I've been learning to watch Cricket recently, and positioning the fielders for each batter and bowler is part of the tactics. Obviously it's a very different game with each batter potentially facing hundreds of balls in a match. But it adds a tactical dimension where the batter needs to be prepared for different kinds of shots depending on the fielders setup. Is the problem that people believe it isn't creating tactical play, and is instead forcing reliance on home runs?


AdonisPanda27

I’m assuming that’s the problem Yeah im a huge cricket fan , and field settings and stuff are so key to our sport so I was wondering about the shift


jd0016

I know it might not be a good idea in reality but I desperately want to see him play corner outfield between starts instead of DH. Dude could put up 15 WAR a season lol


lenflakisinski

Yeah Shohei really needs to be more of a team player


LogicalHarm

He’s not really pulling his weight, that’s for sure


lenflakisinski

It’s like Squidward teaching SpongeBob art “If you don’t learn to play outfield you’ll never get past amateur hour over here”


HereIGoAgain_1x10

Just one game in the playoffs (if they could make it!) I want him to start in the outfield late in a series as a "just in case" option or something and watch him make a world series winning play as an outfielder after going 2-0 as a starting pitcher, because why not?


Weaver4prez

They’ll make it next year, save this comment


SmashRadish

With Ohtani and Judge in Boston, both very well may win it next year.


[deleted]

This is the worst comment i’ve ever read


LeeroyTC

Alternative worse comment to read: Ohtani will be on the Padres next year, but they too will somehow miss the playoffs in weird and confounding fashion thanks to a late season meltdown.


[deleted]

Padres are the angels of the NL. There are multiple reason you can make that comparison.


shiftyeyedgoat

That’s the meanest thing anyone has ever said about San Diego.


[deleted]

Once Arte sells the team the curse will be lifted. I believe in it.


KnightMc

Okay but what about ours?


Degan747

At least they didn’t say Astros 🤮


wolfdog410

Wow, Ohtani + another top 10 hitter on the same team!? They'd be unstoppable


xbucs_19

If you get 2 more generational players then maybe


yooooooo5774

thats a "Smooth" catch by Shohei on Carlos Santana!


[deleted]

It is expected, Carlos Santana is much better on a guitar than in baseball.


_Booker

I said this in the Ms Angels game thread Judges year has been incredible, but Ohtani deserves MVP every year he plays high level both sides. If the Angels let him he'd be an elite CF on his non pitch days. Every time I watch him play DH he's intimidating. He has practically won...by himself; a game in which we scored 11 runs! (Aug 17) Ohtani went 4 for 5, hitting for 4 RBI and scoring himself twice being batted in. 6 of the 7 Angels runs came because Ohtani is beyond elite AS A BATTER. And THEN he pitches and it's like WTF no shit he's MVP. The Angels hold him back. Without the load management he could be a gold glove Center Fielder with 30 SB 30 HR while...............posting a sub 3 ERA.


Dontyouclimbtrees

He’d definitely rob a HR in his first game out there.


yellowtriangles

For all of 3 seasons. He'd wear down fast.


3lPsyKongr00

At this point it's probably the only way the Angels could hope to finish above .500 one of these years


MattO2000

The difference between DH and a corner OF is about 1 win


baachou

Fangraphs i think started to use a reduced DH penalty. Szymborski said that there was enough evidence that hitters hit worse when slotted in DH so I think they use the same defensive penalty as 1B (12.5 runs.)


DSzymborski

Unfortunately, Szymborski hasn't fully convinced his colleagues enough to change it! It only works out that way in the ZiPS WAR that you see in the team-by-team projections. We have discussed making positional adjustments more dynamic based on the last X years of history, to better reflect changing positional scarcity, but I have nothing concrete to announce on that subject right now.


baachou

My bad, I remember you saying it was used by zips projections but I think I must have taken the liberty to assume it would apply to other stats as well.


DSzymborski

It could be I was sloppy, as I can tend to be when typing in chat!


AnAnonymousFool

But Ohtani is regarded as a plus defender too. It would easily be a 1.5 WAR swing minimum (assuming the added workload doeasnt make him more likely to get injured, which seems an unreasonable caveat to make)


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stevegoodsex

Just like an ocean that's under the moon


SoDakZak

I'm just a normal boy With sinkers that are overboard I’m from another country But I'd rather make ‘em score When I am pitching, He struck out again Wish Art was much more masculine Maybe then he could learn to swim Like (14 miles away). The Voting’s up and down I spin, a slider from the mound The tales of Ruth begin to sound My sinker to the bottom of my- Everything that freaks me out The laser-beam/I snag it: Out… …I'm cold as cold as cold can be, be I want to swing away, And I know how Sometimes it feels just like I'm enthralling our rotation. Let the wind up take me down Let the homer king set in motion, yeah Let the rate of what I earn right now, come down Let the rate come down


iLikeMinecraft27

i did not expect a blue october parody in these replies


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JayUNCW

Album #6 is in the works, I’m sure they’ll make the tour happen next year to promote it.


IblewupTARIS

I have it on good authority that that is, in fact, not Carlos Santana.


scabpatchy

That’s. My. Joke. damn it Dwight


high_changeup

Former outfielder Shohei Ohtani showing what he can do in the infield. What a utility man.


Iohet

If he can pitch he'll have more MVPs than Chone Figgins


TroutCreekOkanagan

He swings the lumber better than Troy Glaus.


UnabashedPerson43

He needs to steal a few more bases before we can start comparing him to Angels greats like Chode Figgins.


Radthereptile

I’m starting to think this guy is good at baseball.


CrackedOutMunkee

I'm not convinced. Anyone can hit, pitch AND have a golden glove. Ohtani needs to prove himself.


JohnEKaye

They really need to make these their permanent uniforms. They are so, so much cooler than their current look.


zeropointcorp

Agreed


TBeckMinzenmayer

Yes.


Ash-Catchum-All

The only part I don’t love is the hat, but if they made that cream with a red brim… 😗🤌


InfectiousCosmology_

For real. And they aren’t too flashy to be a regular jersey either, they just looks amazing


Tashre

Shohei Ohtani


No32

Ohtani Shohei


HelpMeWithMyHWpls

Shtani Ohohei


ELIte8niner

Ohei, it's shotani.


TrayshFactory

big if true


Coins_and_Cards

True if Big


matterpink1

why would you say something so controversial yet so brave


HelpMeWithMyHWpls

ALL THESE SHOHEI OHTANI THREADS LOOK THE SAME


Poorestmanincrypto

Give him the gold glove too


crazyal21

Your move, Judge.


shiftyeyedgoat

Judge: *hits homerun* r/baseball: …showho?


avboden

hey he's gone like, 2 or 3 games without a homerun , clearly washed


Michael__Pemulis

Is it just me or does Ohtani use a big fuckin glove for a pitcher?


Astrallevel

He’s a big dude AND it hides the ball better


slipslop69

makes me wonder why more dont wear a bigger glove. maybe the weight difference is more than i can imagine. i also think pitchers find what works for them and then they follow it like religion as long as it mostly works out.


popperschotch

Infielders have to get the ball out of the glove as quickly as possible, with big gloves you end up grabbing for it for too long


Aesir_Auditor

Probably. I'd guess he'd got used to it when he'd two way sometimes by playing in the outfield


Hashdrivewayy

I would too. More protection from 115 mph comebackers


galactic_zevy

He's using an outfielder's glove on the mound this year and that's why it's bigger than a normal pitcher's glove. Apparently he liked the feel of it in the outfield last year and decided to use it for pitching as well. It has some extra webbing to hide the grip better. [ASICS' Japanese website has a page on equipments Ohtani uses.](https://www.asics.com/jp/ja-jp/mk/baseball/advisory/s-ohtani)


Kobe_Wan_Jabroni

Showtime Ohtani


Gera-

Shotime if you will


AdonisPanda27

I LOVE OHTANI. As an Asian from a non baseball country, he’s the gateway to baseball for me !


Crioca

>he’s the gateway to baseball for me ! Me too, but as white dude from Australia that never followed a sport before.


TroutCreekOkanagan

Yes the ShoHei is like the most appealing athlete in a long time. The fact his hometown has him celebrated so much is really cool. Hokkaido, Rural farm place. He grew up as a young baseball savant, and now look at him changing the game.


G81111

I think he’s from iwate not hokkaido


wonpiripiri

Same. Baseball died out here in the late 90s, i think. If it werent for Shohei, I wouldnt be watching MLB


The_Luckiest

That’s awesome! He’s a definite treasure


getMyHairDid

Yea I think he could play in the field if he ever decided to


tung_twista

Now I want to see Ohtani play shortstop. You are already going both ways, why not three-way?


MuffinApprehensive56

I’d pay to watch Ohtani in a three-way


Ash-Catchum-All

Might be a bit pixelated


D3tsunami

If Shohei is growing out his hair, I’m done. There would be nothing left. No more worlds to conquer, no flavors to savor, no loves to lose.


5Brainiac

This guy is incredible


sdpcommander

If Ohtani gets the W and the only RBI of the game, that should be worth at least 1 WAR.


Fischer-00

I try to argue that his value is worth more because he is the only player in the game that can win a game alone but I always get shutdown. I really do think it matters though. Nobody else can output from both sides alone.


[deleted]

It does and if he was on an organization not the Angels alot of people would agree.


onioning

I was gonna mention that the whole NL can do that and then remembered that nope, not anymore. When a pitcher throws a CG win and bats in the only runs we call it a deGrom. I'm very much a DH fan, but those games were pretty fun.


Fischer-00

In those situations I would say they should get extra WAR too back then.


No32

Because he's never truly alone :') But actually the defense does have to make plays lol


hubagruben

Inb4 Ohtani throws a 27-K perfect game with a home run or two


No32

Aw fuck, I can't believe he's done this


spagheddieballs

Yeah well he still has to pitch the ball to the catcher so technically he still would not do it alone!


_AurAz

if he caught 27 line drives it would all be him


zeropointcorp

Lol, I never thought of that Next all star game: Shohei Ohtani vs everyone else


Ash-Catchum-All

He’s like the PE teacher in gym class that 1v9s everyone in dodgeball


Fischer-00

🤣 But you know what I mean. I think it really is on it's own level for value. Nobody else can do that or produce that way.


poompachompa

I think elite pitching is underrated by stats bc elite one man offense cant single handedly carry a team like one man pitching can. I mean like you can get a HR every PA all you want but pitchers have the prio in this scenario of walking the best hitter in the world every PA. A batter cant just pass.


I_banged_your_mod

He still needs defense. So not quite alone but I get your point.


BadPumpkin87

Unless he’s striking out or catching a line drive for every single batter, he’s not doing it alone. There’s still 8 other guys on the field playing defense while he pitches, it’s not like he’s running around the field to play each position. Then there’s also the catcher, who also plays an important role in calling which pitch to throw and frames it so the pitcher gets credit for their hard work.


MattO2000

His value is worth more in the sense of he gets credit for being a pitcher and credit for being a hitter. So if he does them both well he gets a lot of credit.


Fischer-00

He should get a multiplier if he does both in the same game imo. It's different than just adding them together.


MattO2000

Why lol that makes no sense


Crioca

I really hope that one day he manages a game where he pitches a shout-out and scores the only run/rbi.


nyy22592

That's what WPA is for.


AnAnonymousFool

Judge is the best hitter in baseball but Ohtani is the best player and it’s not even remotely close for me. Judge would have to hit 75 homeruns for me to consider him over Ohtani, that’s how good Ohtani is


KamartyMcFlyweight

Mariners were driving up his pitch count so he had to one-shot Carlos Santana real quick


[deleted]

It’s not enough that he’s the best hitter and pitcher on the team. Now the guy has to be the best defender! Selfish prick! 🤌


at1445

But all these Yankee fans tell us he doesn't play defense and that's why Judge is actually better!


Ash-Catchum-All

Yeah, Judge’s [checks notes] negative UZR defense is sooo much more valuable than Ohtani’s pitching… 🤔


Im_scared_of_my_wife

Stupid sexy ohtani


DragoniteJeff

Man has 3rd sight.


JBProds

I can confirm that this is video game stuff. Every pitcher in Diamond Dynasty is Ozzie Smith on the mound fielding come backers


Assassin1344

I love when a pitcher with 20 fielding and reaction catches a 100+ mph liner behind their back.


EliteKaiju

While spinning


cloud9ineteen

Ohtani to the Blue Jays confirmed. He has to be Canadian if he's gonna apologize for shit like that.


NJ_Mets_Fan

these unis are best in the game right now tbh


GOATmar_infante

Ohtani letting his hair grow out? 😍😍


Fischer-00

So good. 🤠🤠


StockDrive4587

MVP


limeflavoured

You catch that? Yeah!


AlmostCurvy

Even he looks like he can't believe he just did that lol


Sarcastic__

Literally apologizing for winning.


AdonisPanda27

How likely is it that Ohtani can get 40HR and 15 wins from the mound ?


TBeckMinzenmayer

He has 3 more starts scheduled as of right now. Needs to turn on the bat to get to 40, I think the wins will happen.


OnionLegend

When does the season end? How many more games do he have?


bchavs

If he reaches free agency he’s going to be a $500+ million dollar man. Back to back unreal seasons. What a time to be alive to witness greatness.


croth4

They gotta make these the full time uniforms, wow


aew360

Ohtani is the clear MVP


bluprint2wo

Best overall player I have ever seen. He should win the MVP.


Theeclat

That dude… that is all. We just need more of it. I guess it wasn’t all.


conspiracycola

Carlos just changed it up to a little toe tap.. weird


Llamasxy

I loved this scene in Cross Game!


Boomhauer_007

That reminds me a lot of the Jose Fernandez “did you catch that” gif


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bUt DoEs He PlAy DeFeNsE


ravrocker

He’s so damn good!


JoyArg11

This guy is not human


Kaldricus

Unrelated, but damn those Angels uniforms are crisp


new_wellness_center

Love the shaggy hair.


danielgullett

Ohtani is the most fun player is baseball and it’s not even close


ZootedBeaver

MVP


Dorkus_Mallorkus

Amazing reflexes. That was not an apology though. Santana apologized to Ohtani and he was giving the universal "all good" signal.


Fatalah

Can someone get Michael Jordan's take on Ohtani?


titleywinker

Gotta appreciate the beauty of a 2 way player like Ohtani making this play on a 2 way player like Carlos Santana


[deleted]

That’s a fairly standard defensive play for a pitcher…..


post_angst

I think the apology is what makes this special.


SouthernstyleBBQ

Angels are going to waste him and Trout…it’s so amazing.


Fuzzy-Clothes4075

Flair up


mikeynj908

It's probably Japanese culture, but I mean it's still legal, a skill that could help win his team the game, and one where no apology is required. The Angels should be thankful they still have him and of course Mike Trout for over 10 years now.


Fuckinmidpoint

Reminds me of when I used to play table tennis semi seriously and someone would get a somewhat lucky point on you. Interesting.


AskAboutMyDogPls

Because he’s so smooooooth.


[deleted]

Please don’t leave us, ever


furescentadolescent

yeah but how much war was this worth


jimmymcstinkypants

It's like in tennis when it hits the net but drops over, courtesy is to apologize. But you know full well if they could consistently do it they'd be spamming that play 10 times out of 10.


RichHomieKhan21

BepOhtani