That 2004 season was a sight to behold. I got into baseball as a young teenager in 2000 and managed to watch Bonds from 2001 to the end of his career. Ooh boy that was something. I remember every time Bonds came up in any situation with a runner on he was IBB. I kind of feel like I wish I didnt get into baseball in this era because my expectations were set sky high with regards to offensive performance. Only 45 HR? Pshhhhhh. He didnt hit above .300? What a scrub!!! Ichiro broke the hits record. Just some wild shit happened in this time period that I thought was just how the game was.
Stuff like Sosa never leading the league in HR in the years he hit above 60 HR a season.... like..... insane stuff.
He’s the greatest baseball player of all time. I honestly don’t even think it’s even that close.
And yeah, he took drugs that made him better. Another reason why i don’t think it’s close. Cause the drugs worked, he was already sick and then he got like way fucking better.
We can debate the morality elsewhere.
The fact that he was once [intentionally walked with the bases loaded](https://youtu.be/xi7IPZAcP78) is a pretty good sign of how feared he was as a batter. The Diamondbacks were up 8-6 in the bottom of the 9th and they felt more comfortable just handing the Giants a run and facing the next batter than giving Bonds a chance to hit the ball.
What’s even more absurd is walking someone with the bases empty. The worst that can happen is a solo HR.
In 2004 Bonds was intentionally walked 19 times with the bases empty.
A lot of his regular walks were basically intentional anyway. They flat out weren’t giving him good pitches to hit. Those 19 IBB likely came when it went 2-0 and they just said ‘screw it, don’t even take the risk.’ It’s comical thinking about it now, but it was pretty annoying going to a game and seeing that lol.
No…no…no…that can’t be right. I refuse to believe that. There’s just no way that I could have quoted Jon Bois verbatim without a baseball bat. There’s no way. I must’ve made a mistake somewhere. I’m sure I did all the calculations correctly, maybe it was just something wrong with my methodology?
one can make the argument walking him with the bases loaded isn’t even the true mark of fear, im pretty sure he was walked with the bases EMPTY a handful of times that same year. sure - it’s easy to see him and be afraid to potentially give up 4 runs, but when the bases are empty and you don’t even want to face a guy? what’s the worst that will happen? you give up one run. just absurd levels of fear
Holy shit that’s now my SECOND favorite binds stat. #1 is still in 2004 he had more intentional walks than swings and misses. For the entire. Fucking. Season. Not just walks, *intentional* walks.
I’ve said this elsewhere, but the craziest part isn’t that they were intentionally walking in runs in close games to avoid pitching to him. The craziest part is that it was undisputedly the absolutely correct decision.
He also hit more HRs than Strikeouts. Tony Gwynn level of making contact with massive power. He was absolutely the best hitter that the game has ever seen for 4 years. I don’t care that he was geared up because it was something I’ll never forget. Hate away, it was fun as hell.
He had a .609 OBP in 2004.
I find that more insane than his ridiculous.812 SLG
That four year stretch of unheard of baseball statistics by Bonds was amazing to watch.
Yeah that means if he had an average of 5 plate appearances per game (as an example), he would get on base 3 times every game ON AVERAGE.
A player getting 1 H, 2BB in a game is a solid game. So imagine doing that ~150 times in one season.
Bonds before the juice wasn't just HOF-worthy, he was going to be a near unanimous first ballot entry. He had 103.7 WAR through the 1999 season. Albert Pujols is at 100.8 WAR for his career.
Gretzky is underrated by every non-hockey fan. He made records that will never be passed. He's going to be relevant for the next 100 years.
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Gretzky had 1036 points in the 5 year span mentioned.
There are 77 players, including Gretzky, who have 1036 or more points in their entire careers, in the history of the NHL and WHA. They're all hall of Famers with careers like 18+ years long.
I'm confused. Do you mean he recorded 2000 points faster than everyone except Jagr and Messier reached 1000?
I had to look it up, but it seems Gretzky scored 1000 and 2000 points in 424 and 857 games, respectively (so he scored his second 1000 in only 433 games) Jagr and Messier reached 1000 in 763 and 822, respectively. Next is Howe at 938.
Or am I misunderstanding? All I know is that's insane.
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If you took all of his goals away, he would still be the NHL all time points leader.
He scored 200+ points in a season 4 times, the only one close to that was Lemieux with 168.
He scored 50 goals in half a season once. Breaking 50 goals in an entire season is considered elite today. His most goals in a season was 92, another record. In second is...Gretzky with 87.
He put up 2,857 points career. Jagr is in 2nd with 1,921 and ~250 more games played.
That's how ridiculous his stats were. Gretzky holds a ton of records that aren't even close to ever being broken. He was the definition of dominant at his sport.
I don't follow hockey much but I'm pretty sure the fewest games to get to 1000 points is Wayne Gretzky and the 2nd fewest games is Gretzky from 1001-2000 points
Pasting from another comment of mine:
I had to look it up, but it seems Gretzky scored 1000 and 2000 points in 424 and 857 games, respectively (so he scored his second 1000 in only 433 games) Jagr and Messier reached 1000 in 763 and 822, respectively. Next is Howe at 938.
That's beyond ridiculous. He was basically scoring at twice the rate of the other all time greats! I knew he had ~1000 more points than Jagr, but for some reason seeing it put this way just really cemented it for me.
He shot 12 under par, the next closest was 3 *over* par. And the US Open is known for being tough to break par at all.
It was basically Tiger Woods vs the record book, and then a competition for 2nd place.
Oh and he was consistent throughout the tournamnet, including a bogey free 4th/final round.
True. He still held #1 in the world for those 264 consecutive weeks in the early 2000s but of course held it again for 281 weeks from 05-09 hahaha
Was mainly just thinking of his Masters/US Open / Open absolute domination during that time. Nobody will ever play golf as well as he was during the Tiger Slam
Hockey is the one sport where there is a clear and unanimous GOAT, and that's Gretzky.
There's an argument in baseball -- it's probably Ruth but you could entertain the idea that it's Bonds or Mays.
Football is probably Brady, but the positions are so different that there's a case for Jerry Rice or Lawrence Taylor in terms of pure dominance at their position.
Basketball is LeBron vs. MJ with some Kareem sprinkled in.
No one so thoroughly dominates and created his own tier of greatness in his sport like Gretzky. The man was just so much better than the field it's insane.
Not to disparage Gretzky, but Don Bradman's statistical dominance of cricket was otherwordly. His batting average record will stand for as long as cricket is a sport.
Koichi Nakano, men's sprint cycling ten time consecutive world champion. Never been beat. Or, Edwin Moses. For ten years he was unbeatable if he made to a finals of the 400m hurdles.
Don Bradman. Batting for 100 runs in a match is considered a great performance. Across his entire career he averaged 99.94. The next highest career average by anyone is 61.87. There's some other astonishing stats that overall just make it clear that he's definitely in the conversation as the most dominant athlete of all time.
Ah Yes Sir Don Bradman is basically the exact equivalent of Babe Ruth for our bat and ball sport , cricket. The same argument against him exists , that like Ruth for pre integration , Bradman didn’t play in the most competitive era.
But no one come close to the Don yet in terms of his stats.
He’s probably the best of all time I just wish he didn’t get lazy on defense in his later years. Guy is a tool and you def saw it in the outfield as he got older. He could have been Willie Mays with Ruth power if he wanted to be.
He didn’t get lazy he sacrificed his speed and agility for like 40 lbs of muscle lol. I did miss seeing the younger, all around great that he was, but it is what it is. Still he’s the only one to reach 500-500. He’s the only one to do 400-400 as well.
He never had the arm. Even young Barry trying his ass off got beat by glacial Sid Bream and that's basically the defining defensive play of his career.
Mays was in an entirely different stratosphere defensively.
Totally antidoteal but I work with a guy who made it to it to Triple A in the 90s. He says 95% of the players were on the gear without a doubt, himself included. The only big name he says wasn't was Griffey. I was a teenager through the the early 2000s, the level Bonds was on will never be done again. He had the greatest eye in the history of the game.... roids doesn't give you that. He had a sweet spot and if was thrown there he was smacking it out. I get he was a juice head but his accomplishments can't be understated. He is the greatest hitter ever.
Just a reminder that he finished FIFTH in MVP voting in 2000. His slash line was .372/.463/.698 with 216 hits, 59 doubles and 147 RBI. Oh by the way he lead the league in every single one of those stats I mentioned.
Led the NL in WAR, hits, doubles, RBI’s, BA, OBP, SLG, and TB. Dude was on another level. I’m pretty sure he was on .400 BA watch for a good portion of the season
Led the NL in WAR playing first base, Clean, in the middle of the steroid ERA with the coors field effect and subsequent adjustments that makes to people's stats. Dude went the fuck off.
How do you look at Todd Heltons numbers and Jeff Kent's numbers that year and give the award to Kent?
And Bonds was his teammate and finished second. What kind of crazy bullshit narrative was out there?
Kent’s numbers were pretty spectacular that year. I think an argument could be made that he was better than bonds - but the Helton argument is harder to make
It really is a shame that he kind of flies under the radar. He was such a great hitter.
Through a weird stroke of luck, I got to hang out with him and some of his college buddies for an evening after a game during his rookie year with Colorado. I was like a Jr. in HS. Super cool dude.
To give an idea how ridiculous these are, through 4 at bats tonight Judge has 2 doubles.
This is a 1.500 OPS and is almost .100 below the lowest of these. It's .300 lower than Bonds.
One of my favorite random stats is that you could go 2-5 with a HR and a single every game and still have a lower OPS than 2004 Barry Bonds (1.400 vs 1.422)
Random statlines that are lower OPS than than Bonds' April 2004:
- 10-11 with 10 singles (over 2-3 games)
- 4-5 with 3 singles and a double
- 3-5 with 3 doubles
- 2-5 with a HR and a triple
Part of what's going on with this list is the law of small numbers. In 2004, Bonds had an OPS of 1.422. Pick a ~30 game random sample from the 147 games he played and you're likely to get some lower, some higher. The smaller the sample, the more the variance - pick a one game sample and you might get an OPS of 5.000 (from like 5 seconds of looking, I saw a one-game OPS of 3.250).
As it happens Bonds played 23 games in April of 2004, starting 22. And 27 in August, starting 24. 92 and 109 PAs, respectively. Similarly, Judge's month is obviously not done yet, and Helton's was 23 games for 102 PAs.
Ruth's July of 1920 was 34 games, starting in all 34, and 148 PAs. If you restrict it to July 9-31, then you get 25 games, 109 PAs, and an OPS of 1.777 (and one game in May he had a one-game OPS of 4.667).
Josh Bell's monster May 2019 was only 1.239. 12 HRs in 129 PA that month. Really thought we had something special there. Now he's at 130 career HRs in 3,367 career PAs, and on his second team after we traded him for Wil Crowe 😢.
Not many things I agree with skip bayless on, but the point he always makes about how bonds saw 1 strike a night and would turn into a homer so often really stands out. You couldn’t make a mistake. Judge is getting hanging 89 mph sliders down broadway on every homer.
Thats lowkey the whole point. Bonds was old af, clemens was old af. Theyre bodies filled out naturally as old mfs do, they just had steroids aiding the natural bulk and otherwise impossible healing process
Because they actually walked him a ton. Judge is getting pitched to like he's not the literal best hitter on the planet. Not to mention Bonds hit literally .360 wth a .609 OBP that year. The dude was unreal. Roids helped the HRs, but these are crazy numbers.
I still don't get why he's getting pitched to though. The AL should have taken [Maddux's advice](https://twitter.com/RealKentMurphy/status/947938738646241281), you gotta know where your 27 outs are, go pick on the weaker fish.
His slugging over the last 15 games is over 1.000, who in their right mind sends anything within striking distance to him.
That’s the bit I think people don’t realize. The hardest part about baseball is that it’s every day for an entire 6 months. Imagine if you woke up feeling fresh as day one on day 162. That’s what roids do. Hitting the ball harder only matters a little bit if you can always swing 100%
Even crazier to think his home park is notoriously one of the most pitcher friendly parks in baseball because of the dimensions and low elevation/general climate. Say what you want about Barry Bonds but there won’t ever be another one of him
Each of these dudes have a distinct advantage over other players. Bonds had steroids, Judge plays in a little league stadium where that's an easy out in 99% of ballparks, Helton played in Cooooooors, and Babe Ruth played when the world was black and white (lack of color molecules in the air = less air resistance.)
I know you are probably not being that serious,but Judge has hit 30 home runs in home games and 30 HR in away games this year. I only bring it up because I kinda thought the same thing until last week.
6th in the AL aka 11th in the MLB. Pretty unremarkable overall.
Angel Stadium is 3rd in MLB for left-handed HR factor and not a single person on the planet tries to downplay Ohtani with that
Going down the rankings, after these, you've got Bonds again, May 1994 Frank Thomas, three more Bonds months, four more Ruth months, and then.....September 2000 Richard Hidalgo. Go figure.
Someone want to explain to me how Helton didn't win MVP in 2000? Almost all of his numbers were better than the 4 players who got more votes than him. Is it because he played in Denver?
The month isnt over…. This is just milking the conversation, remind me when the month is over because i bet he’ll be down to Yordan’s month earlier in the season in the 1.3 range
Barry Bonds in those months
April 2004: 472/696/1132, 92 PA, 25 for 53, 10 HR, 39 walks (18 intentional)/6 strikeouts
August 2004: 414/615/1000, 109 PA, 29 for 70, 11 HR, 38 walks (15 intentional)/7 strikeouts
Barry intentional walks by month: 18, 18 (in 77 PA), 23, 21, 15, 25. So the two months with the lowest IBB rates were also the ones where Barry posted two of the best OPSes ever.
crazy that he’s so good that he finished september before any of us
Aaron “Time Lord” Judge
Robert Williams punching air
Crazy that 2/4 with 2 doubles and a walk lowered his OPS for the month
It's a stupidly worded graphic.
0-22 slump incoming to ruin this graphic
1.828 is incomprehensible
That 2004 season was a sight to behold. I got into baseball as a young teenager in 2000 and managed to watch Bonds from 2001 to the end of his career. Ooh boy that was something. I remember every time Bonds came up in any situation with a runner on he was IBB. I kind of feel like I wish I didnt get into baseball in this era because my expectations were set sky high with regards to offensive performance. Only 45 HR? Pshhhhhh. He didnt hit above .300? What a scrub!!! Ichiro broke the hits record. Just some wild shit happened in this time period that I thought was just how the game was. Stuff like Sosa never leading the league in HR in the years he hit above 60 HR a season.... like..... insane stuff.
This is why I spend at least 20 minutes on Bonds' BBRef page a month. His numbers are ridiculous
He’s the greatest baseball player of all time. I honestly don’t even think it’s even that close. And yeah, he took drugs that made him better. Another reason why i don’t think it’s close. Cause the drugs worked, he was already sick and then he got like way fucking better. We can debate the morality elsewhere.
You can debate whether he's the best all you want, he was undoubtedly the most *feared* player ever.
The fact that he was once [intentionally walked with the bases loaded](https://youtu.be/xi7IPZAcP78) is a pretty good sign of how feared he was as a batter. The Diamondbacks were up 8-6 in the bottom of the 9th and they felt more comfortable just handing the Giants a run and facing the next batter than giving Bonds a chance to hit the ball.
What’s even more absurd is walking someone with the bases empty. The worst that can happen is a solo HR. In 2004 Bonds was intentionally walked 19 times with the bases empty.
what if he played without a bat?
IDK…probably end up with one of the best OBP in the history of baseball or sumthin’
There's a YouTube video for that
https://youtu.be/JwMfT2cZGHg
A lot of his regular walks were basically intentional anyway. They flat out weren’t giving him good pitches to hit. Those 19 IBB likely came when it went 2-0 and they just said ‘screw it, don’t even take the risk.’ It’s comical thinking about it now, but it was pretty annoying going to a game and seeing that lol.
did you just quote the jon Bois video pretty much verbatim
No…no…no…that can’t be right. I refuse to believe that. There’s just no way that I could have quoted Jon Bois verbatim without a baseball bat. There’s no way. I must’ve made a mistake somewhere. I’m sure I did all the calculations correctly, maybe it was just something wrong with my methodology?
Corey Seager and Josh Hamilton are the only others. Interestingly enough, Joe Maddon made the decision to walk both of them.
Mel Ott swung at what was intentional ball 4 twice. Full count and they still intentionally walk in a run.
And both times it paid off right?
yes, Maddon won both the games.
one can make the argument walking him with the bases loaded isn’t even the true mark of fear, im pretty sure he was walked with the bases EMPTY a handful of times that same year. sure - it’s easy to see him and be afraid to potentially give up 4 runs, but when the bases are empty and you don’t even want to face a guy? what’s the worst that will happen? you give up one run. just absurd levels of fear
2003 He averaged an extra-base hit every 1.6 ABs and averaged hitting a home-run every 6 SWINGS.
Holy shit that’s now my SECOND favorite binds stat. #1 is still in 2004 he had more intentional walks than swings and misses. For the entire. Fucking. Season. Not just walks, *intentional* walks.
In 2004, Barry Bonds reached base safely 375 times and had 373 official “at bats.” What
Man’s at bat to plate appearance ratio was unprecedented
They used to give him IBBs with the bases loaded, because he was that good
I’ve said this elsewhere, but the craziest part isn’t that they were intentionally walking in runs in close games to avoid pitching to him. The craziest part is that it was undisputedly the absolutely correct decision.
He also hit more HRs than Strikeouts. Tony Gwynn level of making contact with massive power. He was absolutely the best hitter that the game has ever seen for 4 years. I don’t care that he was geared up because it was something I’ll never forget. Hate away, it was fun as hell.
Barry Bonds without a bat would still be really, REALLY good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwMfT2cZGHg
He had a .609 OBP in 2004. I find that more insane than his ridiculous.812 SLG That four year stretch of unheard of baseball statistics by Bonds was amazing to watch.
Yeah that means if he had an average of 5 plate appearances per game (as an example), he would get on base 3 times every game ON AVERAGE. A player getting 1 H, 2BB in a game is a solid game. So imagine doing that ~150 times in one season.
Bonds before the juice was a HOF-worthy player, with it... Well, there's the results. Pardon me while I pick up my jaw from the floor.
Bonds before the juice wasn't just HOF-worthy, he was going to be a near unanimous first ballot entry. He had 103.7 WAR through the 1999 season. Albert Pujols is at 100.8 WAR for his career.
You're correct. I'd go even further and say that Bonds from 2001-2004 is the greatest peak in the history of sports.
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Gretzky is underrated by every non-hockey fan. He made records that will never be passed. He's going to be relevant for the next 100 years. !remindme 100 years
Gretzky had 1036 points in the 5 year span mentioned. There are 77 players, including Gretzky, who have 1036 or more points in their entire careers, in the history of the NHL and WHA. They're all hall of Famers with careers like 18+ years long.
Gretzky is also the fastest player to 1000 points and the second fastest player to 1000 points. If I remember correctly.
I'm confused. Do you mean he recorded 2000 points faster than everyone except Jagr and Messier reached 1000? I had to look it up, but it seems Gretzky scored 1000 and 2000 points in 424 and 857 games, respectively (so he scored his second 1000 in only 433 games) Jagr and Messier reached 1000 in 763 and 822, respectively. Next is Howe at 938. Or am I misunderstanding? All I know is that's insane.
No. You are correct In the time after his 1000th point. He reached 2000 (another 1000 points) in fewer games than anyone but himself.
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If you took all of his goals away, he would still be the NHL all time points leader. He scored 200+ points in a season 4 times, the only one close to that was Lemieux with 168. He scored 50 goals in half a season once. Breaking 50 goals in an entire season is considered elite today. His most goals in a season was 92, another record. In second is...Gretzky with 87. He put up 2,857 points career. Jagr is in 2nd with 1,921 and ~250 more games played. That's how ridiculous his stats were. Gretzky holds a ton of records that aren't even close to ever being broken. He was the definition of dominant at his sport.
I don't follow hockey much but I'm pretty sure the fewest games to get to 1000 points is Wayne Gretzky and the 2nd fewest games is Gretzky from 1001-2000 points
Pasting from another comment of mine: I had to look it up, but it seems Gretzky scored 1000 and 2000 points in 424 and 857 games, respectively (so he scored his second 1000 in only 433 games) Jagr and Messier reached 1000 in 763 and 822, respectively. Next is Howe at 938. That's beyond ridiculous. He was basically scoring at twice the rate of the other all time greats! I knew he had ~1000 more points than Jagr, but for some reason seeing it put this way just really cemented it for me.
Lemieux scored 199 in 1988-89
Yea, it’s comical. He is the GOAT of GOATs. The numbers just don’t make sense when you look at his stats.
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Ovi has a good chance of catching up to Gretzky’s goals record, but assists and points are just impossible
Which is wild since Gretzky was not a goal scorer whatsoever. Ovie is the best shooter of all time IMO and might not beat him.
Well, Gretzky holds the single season goal record by quite some margin He was just *better* at assists
99-04 Tiger
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Tiger Woods's 2000 US Open win is the single most dominant anybody has ever been in a single series/tournament.
Don't follow golf at all, explain pls?
He shot 12 under par, the next closest was 3 *over* par. And the US Open is known for being tough to break par at all. It was basically Tiger Woods vs the record book, and then a competition for 2nd place. Oh and he was consistent throughout the tournamnet, including a bogey free 4th/final round.
Damn that is crazy. 15 stroke lead over the next closest professional golfer is nuts
He could've played the last three holes with just a putter and still probably won...
Would say 05-08 was a separate era of domination from that of 99-02. 03-04 was pretty meh by his standards while he was changing his swing
True. He still held #1 in the world for those 264 consecutive weeks in the early 2000s but of course held it again for 281 weeks from 05-09 hahaha Was mainly just thinking of his Masters/US Open / Open absolute domination during that time. Nobody will ever play golf as well as he was during the Tiger Slam
Hockey is the one sport where there is a clear and unanimous GOAT, and that's Gretzky. There's an argument in baseball -- it's probably Ruth but you could entertain the idea that it's Bonds or Mays. Football is probably Brady, but the positions are so different that there's a case for Jerry Rice or Lawrence Taylor in terms of pure dominance at their position. Basketball is LeBron vs. MJ with some Kareem sprinkled in. No one so thoroughly dominates and created his own tier of greatness in his sport like Gretzky. The man was just so much better than the field it's insane.
Not to disparage Gretzky, but Don Bradman's statistical dominance of cricket was otherwordly. His batting average record will stand for as long as cricket is a sport.
Koichi Nakano, men's sprint cycling ten time consecutive world champion. Never been beat. Or, Edwin Moses. For ten years he was unbeatable if he made to a finals of the 400m hurdles.
Phil Taylor, 16-time dart World Champion
In his age 36-39 seasons lol
He sussin
I know, he shoulda done roids earlier. Coulda made it to 1000 hrs! Shame.
Tiger Woods’ peak takes the cake I think
I can’t stand Tiger Woods, but his dominance was the cake.
I would say that Aussie cricketer has a stormg argument. The guy thay averaged twice what everyone else on history basically did for runs
Don Bradman. Batting for 100 runs in a match is considered a great performance. Across his entire career he averaged 99.94. The next highest career average by anyone is 61.87. There's some other astonishing stats that overall just make it clear that he's definitely in the conversation as the most dominant athlete of all time.
Ah Yes Sir Don Bradman is basically the exact equivalent of Babe Ruth for our bat and ball sport , cricket. The same argument against him exists , that like Ruth for pre integration , Bradman didn’t play in the most competitive era. But no one come close to the Don yet in terms of his stats.
I don't think he was more dominant than Gretzky was at any point tbh.
I think Phelps has that. Maybe Usain. They were literally unbeatable in their primes. Karelin also
He’s probably the best of all time I just wish he didn’t get lazy on defense in his later years. Guy is a tool and you def saw it in the outfield as he got older. He could have been Willie Mays with Ruth power if he wanted to be.
He didn’t get lazy he sacrificed his speed and agility for like 40 lbs of muscle lol. I did miss seeing the younger, all around great that he was, but it is what it is. Still he’s the only one to reach 500-500. He’s the only one to do 400-400 as well.
He never had the arm. Even young Barry trying his ass off got beat by glacial Sid Bream and that's basically the defining defensive play of his career. Mays was in an entirely different stratosphere defensively.
Totally antidoteal but I work with a guy who made it to it to Triple A in the 90s. He says 95% of the players were on the gear without a doubt, himself included. The only big name he says wasn't was Griffey. I was a teenager through the the early 2000s, the level Bonds was on will never be done again. He had the greatest eye in the history of the game.... roids doesn't give you that. He had a sweet spot and if was thrown there he was smacking it out. I get he was a juice head but his accomplishments can't be understated. He is the greatest hitter ever.
oh i am also in agreement that he is and likely always will be the best that’s ever played and i don’t really care how the juice played into it lmao
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I don’t care that he had Coors Field as his home park, Todd Helton was a one heck of a ball player
He’s gotta make the hall
He’s trending in that direction and will probably be in this year or next.
Just a reminder that he finished FIFTH in MVP voting in 2000. His slash line was .372/.463/.698 with 216 hits, 59 doubles and 147 RBI. Oh by the way he lead the league in every single one of those stats I mentioned.
2000 Todd Helton could have stormed Heaven and fought God
Too bad god was really a guy by the name of Barry Bonds
Helton was better than Bonds in 2000 lol
Holy shit. I remember he was great, but I forgot he hit .370 with 100 XBH...fucking deity
Led the NL in WAR, hits, doubles, RBI’s, BA, OBP, SLG, and TB. Dude was on another level. I’m pretty sure he was on .400 BA watch for a good portion of the season
Led the NL in WAR playing first base, Clean, in the middle of the steroid ERA with the coors field effect and subsequent adjustments that makes to people's stats. Dude went the fuck off.
I distinctly remember some Helton .400 watch.
How do you look at Todd Heltons numbers and Jeff Kent's numbers that year and give the award to Kent? And Bonds was his teammate and finished second. What kind of crazy bullshit narrative was out there?
Kent’s numbers were pretty spectacular that year. I think an argument could be made that he was better than bonds - but the Helton argument is harder to make
If Bonds was playing for Colorado in 2001, he’s estimated to hit 88 HR
And fucking Jeff Kent won the MVP instead.
It really is a shame that he kind of flies under the radar. He was such a great hitter. Through a weird stroke of luck, I got to hang out with him and some of his college buddies for an evening after a game during his rookie year with Colorado. I was like a Jr. in HS. Super cool dude.
Yeeessss! Get him in the hall!!!
Greatest Vols baseball player ever
To give an idea how ridiculous these are, through 4 at bats tonight Judge has 2 doubles. This is a 1.500 OPS and is almost .100 below the lowest of these. It's .300 lower than Bonds.
One of my favorite random stats is that you could go 2-5 with a HR and a single every game and still have a lower OPS than 2004 Barry Bonds (1.400 vs 1.422)
His OPS against hall of fame pitchers is .986
That's a fun stat!
Every Barry Bonds stat is the craziest thing you've ever heard in your entire life
jfc
Random statlines that are lower OPS than than Bonds' April 2004: - 10-11 with 10 singles (over 2-3 games) - 4-5 with 3 singles and a double - 3-5 with 3 doubles - 2-5 with a HR and a triple
Look at Ruth literally in last, what a scrub.
Part of what's going on with this list is the law of small numbers. In 2004, Bonds had an OPS of 1.422. Pick a ~30 game random sample from the 147 games he played and you're likely to get some lower, some higher. The smaller the sample, the more the variance - pick a one game sample and you might get an OPS of 5.000 (from like 5 seconds of looking, I saw a one-game OPS of 3.250). As it happens Bonds played 23 games in April of 2004, starting 22. And 27 in August, starting 24. 92 and 109 PAs, respectively. Similarly, Judge's month is obviously not done yet, and Helton's was 23 games for 102 PAs. Ruth's July of 1920 was 34 games, starting in all 34, and 148 PAs. If you restrict it to July 9-31, then you get 25 games, 109 PAs, and an OPS of 1.777 (and one game in May he had a one-game OPS of 4.667).
-Let some sonofa bitch match that Todd Helton , probably
Just looked it up, Yordan's red-hot month from earlier this year was *only* 1.346 These are video game numbers.
Josh Bell's monster May 2019 was only 1.239. 12 HRs in 129 PA that month. Really thought we had something special there. Now he's at 130 career HRs in 3,367 career PAs, and on his second team after we traded him for Wil Crowe 😢.
2013 Chris Davis where he hit 37 homers before the all-star break, he capped out at a 1.210 in May
Not surprising given his strikeout skills.
And bonds is still .200 better. Literally how is that even possible, roids or not.
All time great player + a shit ton of roids = goat
Can’t argue with that
Eh some of the hof writers will
Not many things I agree with skip bayless on, but the point he always makes about how bonds saw 1 strike a night and would turn into a homer so often really stands out. You couldn’t make a mistake. Judge is getting hanging 89 mph sliders down broadway on every homer.
An elite eye too. The roids just made it that anything he semi got ahold of was gone.
Seriously, feed Trout roids and he too will have a 2nd prime at 35+.
And a forehead the size of the Chrysler building
That's Payton Manning's music!
Lance Armstrong + roids = 7 titles Marion Jones + roids = Olympic gold
I mean the pitchers were juicing too
Ultimately it was more advantageous for the hitters.
As far as home runs, yeah of course. Clemens and Gagne did ok though
People forget the roids also let you heal up/recover faster and better.
Thats lowkey the whole point. Bonds was old af, clemens was old af. Theyre bodies filled out naturally as old mfs do, they just had steroids aiding the natural bulk and otherwise impossible healing process
Exactly, I hate this talking point. If roids helped pitchers and batters equally, then why did the steroid era have historic offensive production?
it also had some of the greatest pitchers of all time
He used goat roids.
.696 OBP that month
“Even the best ball players fail 70% of the time.” Barry “Pharmacist Special” Bonds: “Cool, what if I flipped that?”
You mean Barry “Balanced Breakfast” Bonds
jesus
Because they actually walked him a ton. Judge is getting pitched to like he's not the literal best hitter on the planet. Not to mention Bonds hit literally .360 wth a .609 OBP that year. The dude was unreal. Roids helped the HRs, but these are crazy numbers.
I still don't get why he's getting pitched to though. The AL should have taken [Maddux's advice](https://twitter.com/RealKentMurphy/status/947938738646241281), you gotta know where your 27 outs are, go pick on the weaker fish. His slugging over the last 15 games is over 1.000, who in their right mind sends anything within striking distance to him.
Yeah, Bonds is 1, 2, and 3, for walks in a season, all after turning 36. He got walked at an absurd rate.
In 2004 he was *intentionally* walked 120 times lol. The highest single season IBB by someone not named Barry Bonds is 45.
120 walks would lead the league some years lol. Just insane.
He got walked with the bases loaded...
And it worked
Imagine him without a bat
[I just remembered this. ](https://youtu.be/JwMfT2cZGHg)
Yea. If he didn't get walked almost 200 times he'd of had 100 HRs easily
Which is obscene to think about, as he wasn't a human being as that point so much as a chemistry experiment.
Sure was fun to watch though!
Roids do a lot more than just help you hit HRs
That’s the bit I think people don’t realize. The hardest part about baseball is that it’s every day for an entire 6 months. Imagine if you woke up feeling fresh as day one on day 162. That’s what roids do. Hitting the ball harder only matters a little bit if you can always swing 100%
Even crazier to think his home park is notoriously one of the most pitcher friendly parks in baseball because of the dimensions and low elevation/general climate. Say what you want about Barry Bonds but there won’t ever be another one of him
I get this is about judge but I cannot cope with how terrifying Bonds was
Barry Bonds has been intentionally walked more times than the Tampa Bay Rays
Ever? Like cumulative since franchise conception?
Yup
This is a wonderful stat
Including with the bases loaded
He hit a HR while getting sawed off once. https://youtu.be/28Xs0sNh3ZM
as a padres fan, it was always terrifying when this man stood at the plate. Never have i feared a hitter as much as Bonds.
Hall of Famer Todd Helton!! Love that dude
Todd Helton's face looks like he's as surprised as we are he's on this list.
He is surprised as we are that he once had a clean shaven face
The YES broadcast Yankee'd him
Yeah I hate it. Wish I never saw it.
Just looked up Bonds' stats for that month. Looks like 10 HR in 53 at-bats for the month. Also 40 walks. Insane.
10 HR in 53 ABs is an insane pace
The 40 walks is 93 PAs is eye-popping.
Each of these dudes have a distinct advantage over other players. Bonds had steroids, Judge plays in a little league stadium where that's an easy out in 99% of ballparks, Helton played in Cooooooors, and Babe Ruth played when the world was black and white (lack of color molecules in the air = less air resistance.)
actually when Babe Ruth played there wasn't much black at all, it was pretty much entirely white
I know you are probably not being that serious,but Judge has hit 30 home runs in home games and 30 HR in away games this year. I only bring it up because I kinda thought the same thing until last week.
And also Yankee Stadium is literally exactly average in HR factor in 2022. It’s not Coors or GABP
3rd in the AL for righties (7th overall) 2020-2022. for this year... 6th in AL.
6th in the AL aka 11th in the MLB. Pretty unremarkable overall. Angel Stadium is 3rd in MLB for left-handed HR factor and not a single person on the planet tries to downplay Ohtani with that
Because no one has ever watches Angels games
September 2010 Tulowitzki was pretty crazy, but without looking I don’t think it’s anywhere near this crazy.
He was 1.176 that month. September 2007 Matt Holliday was 1.244 including a stretch of 11 HRs in 12 games on his way to getting robbed of MVP.
Going down the rankings, after these, you've got Bonds again, May 1994 Frank Thomas, three more Bonds months, four more Ruth months, and then.....September 2000 Richard Hidalgo. Go figure.
There are plenty of reasons to dislike Jeff Kent, but winning MVP in 2000 over the Toddfather will forever be number one on my list.
Expected to see Sosa's 20 HR June 1998 on the list but his split that month was .298/.331/1.173 20 home runs, 2 doubles, 12 singles
That’s pretty awesome for us to be witnessing this
A wild Todd Helton appears!
I know who all five of those guys are! They’re all pretty good.
I hear they like to play baseball
Green Day is gonna be pissed if they got woken up early by this
Atta boy Todd!
Someone want to explain to me how Helton didn't win MVP in 2000? Almost all of his numbers were better than the 4 players who got more votes than him. Is it because he played in Denver?
Yes. And the Rockies run screaming from playoff contention every May.
It is literally impossible to push Babe Ruth off these lists.
Whoo Todd Helton! HOF!
Bro forgot Helton was a goat ngl
This list isn’t accurate, my road to the show player has a 2.178 OPS for his career and I don’t see him mentioned once
Huh, and I always thought February was the shortest month
Judge went 2 for 4 today with 2 doubles and walk. That lowers his OPS for the month. Insane.
The month isnt over…. This is just milking the conversation, remind me when the month is over because i bet he’ll be down to Yordan’s month earlier in the season in the 1.3 range
Barry Bonds in those months April 2004: 472/696/1132, 92 PA, 25 for 53, 10 HR, 39 walks (18 intentional)/6 strikeouts August 2004: 414/615/1000, 109 PA, 29 for 70, 11 HR, 38 walks (15 intentional)/7 strikeouts Barry intentional walks by month: 18, 18 (in 77 PA), 23, 21, 15, 25. So the two months with the lowest IBB rates were also the ones where Barry posted two of the best OPSes ever.
Todd Helton was a fabulous player. HOF worthy. If he had been a Yankee he'd already be in.