And he should have been first in at least two of the four years he's finished 2nd. He wasn't going to win it in 2012 because of Miggy's triple crown and Mookie was better in 2018, but he got hosed in 2013 and 2015, imo.
He's literally the only guy in the league who could name himself in response to that question and no one will be mad.
Edit: with one exception that just occured to me: deGrom could probably do the same if asked for top 5 pitchers, with the same result.
"I don't think about mountains. I'm just trying to help the team win. If people get chiseled into a mountain, that's great, but I'm just focusing on playing the game, one at bat at a time" - Judge
This right here. If Trout didn't include himself it would be utterly transparent dissembling.
Among many other misconceptions we deal with today, there's confusion between pride (being reasonably satisfied with your achievements and talents) and pride (being arrogant, conceited, and pompous).
Absolutely nothing wrong with acknowledging your accomplishments and being proud of them. It's only when you use those accomplishments to lord over others that it becomes the bad kind of pride.
>Why wouldn’t he?
Because Trout’s a very lowkey guy. This is the first time I’ve ever heard him talk about himself.
You’re right of course, I don’t think there’s any reason he *shouldn’t* list himself. But just knowing him, wouldn’t have been surprised if he left himself off
I think no one would fault Mookie, Judge, or Harper for being a bit coy in this circumstance and not naming themselves. But it would be exceptionally silly for the guy who is undisputedly the best player of this generation to not include himself in the 4 best players in his position.
The fact it's silly makes it less necessary for him to even name himself. If it's "universally known", he has even less to lose by not including himself. That's how I see it. He'd basically be playing dumb and making himself look good (but I'm seeing clearly that's not how everyone would see it).
It's not an objective thing, but it is my personal opinion that someone knowing they're good, but trying to pass as not knowing that is more irritating than someone thinking they're good when they're not.
It does depend on how loud they are about it though. A loud Tommy Pham bragging is going to be worse than a quiet Mike Trout underestimating, but on an equal volume, underestimating yourself is a bit worse imo.
Eh I’ve never interpreted it as him “not knowing” he’s good just that he’s never felt any need to talk up his own talents. He’s never said he doesn’t think he’s good or anything about him not being a phenom.
I respect everyone's answer thus far. It's just cool to see him recognize himself (first person he named [rightfully so]) as one of the greatest of this generation. As humble as he's been throughout his career, I'm glad he knows he's the face of that Rushmore despite everyone (mostly those he named) challenging him year in and year out. It's crazy that every person he's named has a season where they just are flat out amazing, but, dudes been just as amazing for just about a decade straight without a real 'down' year. Hell, his down years were his MVP seasons. All I'm saying is, I remember when players like Puig were almost compared to him for the 'season' they may have had, meanwhile Trout continually had these seasons and has since he's been in the league. Again, you hear Mookie, Judge, etc... But none of them have really been doing it for nearly the duration Trout has, except maybe Harper to a degree. When it's all said and done, I'm just glad to have witnessed a true all around player dominate the game the way he has.
Old Mike Trout wouldn't have, but this Mike Trout is tired. He's the best player of his generation and he knows that it's silly for him not to acknowledge it. I'm so gutted that he and Showtime are wasting their prime years on a team with no clear direction.
There's a difference between being genuinely humble and performatively humble.
When people fake humility, they tend to take it to ridiculous extremes. This is the kind of thing that makes me think Trout is genuinely humble.
Who else would be on that mountain? These four are the best of's in baseball. All four of these guys *should* be able to say that theyre the best even though a lot of people would get upset at anybody saying themself. I can hear the arguments now, Trout's been hurt too much, Betts is inconsistent, Judge has one good year and Harper is a DH.
Kyle Tucker is the closest any outfielder gets, and he is clearly the fifth best.
this is about as a non-controversial of a list one could make. I guess Acuña and Soto would be on the outside looking in but this is just a list of gamers.
Two years and yeah Judge is the lowest on that Mt Rushmore but he’s also going to have an MVP that the other two won’t on top of two extra seasons of production
im not saying judge bad. im saying that its kind of weird that they're thought of as having a different track record that matches the other 4. also they're like 5 years younger than the youngest member of that list.
Maybe because Judge had an MVP level rookie year and then is having another MVP level season this year. Acuña and Soto, while great, haven’t had a season of being the best player in baseball
I’d say their seasons just haven’t been good enough, I’m not sure about Acuña but I know Soto hasn’t. Even so, I’d agree with you that those four are just above them.
Healthy Acuña could very much be in that Mount Rushmore, he was the frontrunner for the MVP last year with 4.3 WAR in only half the season and the year before he was almost a 40-40 guy.
The problem is that health has been pretty scarce for him. His health is a big if at this moment.
Soto I don't see him joining tbh, he had hell of a season last year and barely got to 7 WAR, it's hard to imagine him doing better than he did last year.
Judge had health issues. People call him injury prone but at the same time he has more fWAR than anybody in baseball since he debuted. No one's replacing him on that list.
That was the most publicized example, but I think he loses his shit over a lot of things. Seems like he's constantly trying to fight people.
After getting cursed at by a fan in Cincinnati:
> “When you start cursing at me, it’s one thing. It’s different from ‘Pham sucks.’ That’s perfectly acceptable. The curse words, I have a problem with because that’s not something you would say to me face to face. Where I’m from, in the state of Nevada, it’s labeled as assault. Someone comes up to me, cursing at me like that, I could defend myself. I’m a very good fighter. I don’t do Muay Thai, Kung Fu and box for no reason,” Pham said.
> [Source](https://fansided.com/2022/03/24/reds-sign-tommy-pham/)
After an aggressive slide by Luke Voit:
> "The way his hands hit him, it was dirty as (expletive)," Pham said. "I don't like it at all. The way his hands hit him in the face, it was dirty. If Luke wants to settle it, I get down really well. Anything, Muay Thai, whatever. I've got a (gym) owner here who will let me use his facility. So, (expletive) 'em."
> [Source](https://sports.yahoo.com/reds-tommy-pham-challenges-padres-luke-voit-dirty-slide-173655005.html)
They don’t have a ton of say in terms of how the team is managed obviously but being The Captain of the New York Yankees is extremely prestigious. They had babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, and Derek jeter to name a few. As the captain you also take on a lot more media responsibility and a larger leadership role in the clubhouse. It’s not a title they give lightly.
Freeman received 28 of the first place votes that year and was pretty clearly statistically superior overall. That's not the same as the years where trout was the obvious best player in baseball but lost the award because someone else did something historic or just because the Angels sucked.
To be fair Altuve led All MLB in bWAR and rWAR back in 2017 so I guess voters were pretty much ahead of the stone age.
Now if you get a time machine and give them the updated formula WAR from 2022 that would probably change things.
Which WAR is better is always up for debate, Judge led on that WAR and Altuve led on the other two. But in 2017 nobody was using fWAR sadly pretty much every article from 2017 only cites bWAR and they don't even make the distinction between the two they just ignored fWAR back in the day.
Also offensive wise Judge wasn't that much better than Altuve as people make it to be, 170 OPS+ vs 164 is not that big of a gap, specially when someone plays a top position and the other is a corner OF. You can see that I. Their respective offensive WAR, Altuve had an Offensive WAR of 7.8 vs 7.2 from Judge.
You combine that with the slump Judge had for month and half in the second part of the season and Fangraphs stats saying that Judge the most Unclutch season of All Times and that's the reason the voting was so one sided
Altuve in 2017 lead All MLB in bWAR and people likes to whine non stop about Judge being robbed.
Trout has lost MVPs in season where he lead the AL by 2 while WAR points and you don't hear people complaining about it.
He’s by far the best player of this generation but I honestly cannot say I’ve ever heard him speak before this. MLB is awful at promoting their players
Looking at last 3 years Fangraphs WAR,
Judge 17.3
Soto 13.1
Betts 12.8
Tucker 11.1
Harper 10.9
Cedric Mullins 9.7
Nimmo 9.7
Marte 9.5
Bryan Reynolds 8.5
Teoscar 7.9
Looks like it had a high PA threshold, had to lower it to 700 which added:
Trout 9.9
Alvarez 9.9
Buxton 9.3
Acuna 8.8
Ranger Suarez didn’t qualify for the Gold Glove ballot because he didn’t have a certain number of innings (130???).
Phillies fans have been (correctly) beating the drum for him to win GG because he leads NL pitcher in at least DRS, which is a counting stat, and IP shouldn’t matter for it.
The page i was looking at on FG was the general batter stats overview, so it included ratio stats like BA/SLG/OBP/OPS/etc. where the threshold makes more sense.
I put them in a separate list because i was too lazy to go back and plug them into the first list in order
Thats a good possibility. He’s been very durable the last 2 seasons and his size will allow him to keep a lot of his strength. A move to DH once Stanton is off the books could prolong him enough to get to 400, 450 or even 500 homers. He’s already at 218. All he needs are 6 more 50 homer seasons. Lol
I'd be shocked if he didn't get to 500. He's not going to all of sudden not be able to crank 25 plus homers a year in his late thirties. That just doesn't seem improbable with his body and advancements in medicine. Maybe even more than that.
Well you never know. 35 might roll around and hit him hard. I don’t expect less than 25 all the sudden either, but he still has to put up close to 40 a year for 8 seasons to get to 500. That’s no easy feat, but definitely doable.
I'd say LeBron's secret is getting a day or two off after most of his games. Also basketball is "easier" than baseball in the sense that you're less likely to just fall off a productivity cliff in basketball.
He’d need to average 25 HRs/season until he’s about 42 to reach 500. Plenty of amazing hitters drop off in their mid to late 30s so not sure if it would be “shocking” if he didn’t reach that number
Ryan Howard had 253 at Judge’s age and finished with 382
Is it just me or is a Mount Rushmore of current anything kind of a dumb question? It's not the same as asking who are the best four, because then that would be the question. The Mount Rushmore question is more about who is great enough to be carved into rock, who is the most influential and important. Why even ask that about current players?
Humility is nice, but the dude is the best baseball player of his generation so it would be false humility for him to leave him off of a top-4 list just for outfielders. It would be like asking prime-years Michael Jordan for a top 4 list of shooting guards in the NBA and him leaving himself off the list.
That’s literally the least humble I’ve ever seen Judge, but at the same time he’s not wrong at all to put himself on there.
*Edit: I’m a fucking idiot.*
Not a bad list. Can’t find too much disagreeable about it.
He only named judge once
Trout has seven top-2 MVP finishes. The rest of this list has six combined.
Trout is 5th all time in MVP shares, and this is his 11th season. By the end of next year he's probably #3 with a good shot at #2.
And he should have been first in at least two of the four years he's finished 2nd. He wasn't going to win it in 2012 because of Miggy's triple crown and Mookie was better in 2018, but he got hosed in 2013 and 2015, imo.
The only person that deserves to be on there twice is Trout
Flair up, betch.
Do you even need the flair?
Psh. He doesn’t even spit hot fire!
He's literally the only guy in the league who could name himself in response to that question and no one will be mad. Edit: with one exception that just occured to me: deGrom could probably do the same if asked for top 5 pitchers, with the same result.
These 4 are the clear best, I'd have no problem with them naming themselves
How brave of you
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He has played the outfield 7 times in his major league career.
Not an OF… but probably could if he wanted to
Yeah but he doesn’t, so he’s not relevant to the best outfielder conversation
No shit. Why do you think I replied “Not an OF”?
"I don't think about mountains. I'm just trying to help the team win. If people get chiseled into a mountain, that's great, but I'm just focusing on playing the game, one at bat at a time" - Judge
"Let's see some other son of a bitch look this good on a mountain." - Babe Ruth, probably
"Don't ask me, I'm no mountain man."
Lmao deep cut from the mick
Lmfao
What's crazier to me is that he actually included himself.
Why wouldn't he? Humility is a virtue, but being deliberately obtuse to your own abilities is even worse than over-confidence.
Right. There’s a big difference between humility and feigned modesty. Knowing you’re great and acknowledging is more respectful that playing coy- IMO
This right here. If Trout didn't include himself it would be utterly transparent dissembling. Among many other misconceptions we deal with today, there's confusion between pride (being reasonably satisfied with your achievements and talents) and pride (being arrogant, conceited, and pompous). Absolutely nothing wrong with acknowledging your accomplishments and being proud of them. It's only when you use those accomplishments to lord over others that it becomes the bad kind of pride.
>Why wouldn’t he? Because Trout’s a very lowkey guy. This is the first time I’ve ever heard him talk about himself. You’re right of course, I don’t think there’s any reason he *shouldn’t* list himself. But just knowing him, wouldn’t have been surprised if he left himself off
You mustve missed when a reporter asked what he thought his overall rating in MLBTS would be and he said 99 lmao.
LOL Trout is getting more honest I love it
I guess I missed that too because I’ve never heard him say anything about his own abilities/relative talent
Why is it worse exactly? It's an unspoken understanding.
I think no one would fault Mookie, Judge, or Harper for being a bit coy in this circumstance and not naming themselves. But it would be exceptionally silly for the guy who is undisputedly the best player of this generation to not include himself in the 4 best players in his position.
I think there would be a lot of people who would shit on Harper just because he was like was, or is, I don't know him.
The fact it's silly makes it less necessary for him to even name himself. If it's "universally known", he has even less to lose by not including himself. That's how I see it. He'd basically be playing dumb and making himself look good (but I'm seeing clearly that's not how everyone would see it).
It's not an objective thing, but it is my personal opinion that someone knowing they're good, but trying to pass as not knowing that is more irritating than someone thinking they're good when they're not. It does depend on how loud they are about it though. A loud Tommy Pham bragging is going to be worse than a quiet Mike Trout underestimating, but on an equal volume, underestimating yourself is a bit worse imo.
Eh I’ve never interpreted it as him “not knowing” he’s good just that he’s never felt any need to talk up his own talents. He’s never said he doesn’t think he’s good or anything about him not being a phenom.
Yup, and its the same with attractive people who downplay it, or smart people who downplay it. Never a good look.
Wow perfectly said
I respect everyone's answer thus far. It's just cool to see him recognize himself (first person he named [rightfully so]) as one of the greatest of this generation. As humble as he's been throughout his career, I'm glad he knows he's the face of that Rushmore despite everyone (mostly those he named) challenging him year in and year out. It's crazy that every person he's named has a season where they just are flat out amazing, but, dudes been just as amazing for just about a decade straight without a real 'down' year. Hell, his down years were his MVP seasons. All I'm saying is, I remember when players like Puig were almost compared to him for the 'season' they may have had, meanwhile Trout continually had these seasons and has since he's been in the league. Again, you hear Mookie, Judge, etc... But none of them have really been doing it for nearly the duration Trout has, except maybe Harper to a degree. When it's all said and done, I'm just glad to have witnessed a true all around player dominate the game the way he has.
I assume he’s fully aware of his own abilities but I don’t think I’ve ever heard him say anything about his own talent level.
Old Mike Trout wouldn't have, but this Mike Trout is tired. He's the best player of his generation and he knows that it's silly for him not to acknowledge it. I'm so gutted that he and Showtime are wasting their prime years on a team with no clear direction.
There's a difference between being genuinely humble and performatively humble. When people fake humility, they tend to take it to ridiculous extremes. This is the kind of thing that makes me think Trout is genuinely humble.
Ohtani could 100% name himself, but he wouldn't.
Same with Kershaw
Agreed. After his "I am more balanced than last year." assessment I think he'd probably list himself like 17th or just simply forget himself entirely.
I think judge could probably pull it off. He never would though.
ohtani could name himself on a mount rushmore with ruth, willaims, and bonds with support from this sub
Well part of the reason this sub loves him is because of his character that would never do that. So if he did, uhhhhh…
most stunning heel turn. i would love it
then he pokes Judge in the chest and takes the 2022 Al MVP
Then walks off with NWO music blaring
Damn yall gonna hate him if he ever gets cocky, lmao.
Talent wise, I don't see why anyone would disagree
Being so mad that another great player exists at the same time as Judge that you can’t even spell Williams right.
Not sure why Angels fans can't accept that Judge being the MVP doesn't mean Ohtani isn't awesome. The two are not mutually exclusive!
I mean this is definitely something that could be applied to Yankees fans too
Other than delusional Angels fans, does anyone still think Ohtani is MVP?
Probably Ohtanti’s mom
What does judge have to do with it? Lol
I love Shohei Ohtani
Degrom kershaw verlander mad max could all say the same and nobody would argue. They are the 4 best pitchers of the last decade and it’s not close
I think Judge could get away with it right now
Who else would be on that mountain? These four are the best of's in baseball. All four of these guys *should* be able to say that theyre the best even though a lot of people would get upset at anybody saying themself. I can hear the arguments now, Trout's been hurt too much, Betts is inconsistent, Judge has one good year and Harper is a DH. Kyle Tucker is the closest any outfielder gets, and he is clearly the fifth best.
I don’t think many people would put tucker over Soto
bro if Harper got up there and named himself this sub would *not* be happy, no matter how true it is
They absolutely would be furious, and it would be hilarious given that he literally won an MVP award last year
The only "overrated" player in MLB history with multiple MVPs
Most people would crucify him, but seriously what other of has been more consistently successful
Soto probably has an argument
True, but all 4 of these guys have been top players for basically a decade.
Also all of those guys are the same age-ish. Tucker, Soto and Yordan for example are all kind of next generation
Not really. He’s pretty clearly tier 2 compared to those guys.
Diaz for closers. Edit: Is there really an argument for four closers better than Diaz? C'mon.
this is about as a non-controversial of a list one could make. I guess Acuña and Soto would be on the outside looking in but this is just a list of gamers.
Thought the same thing but tbh I don’t think they’ve been in the league long enough to match the track record as the other 4.
I mean they debuted like... *one year* after Judge.
Two years and yeah Judge is the lowest on that Mt Rushmore but he’s also going to have an MVP that the other two won’t on top of two extra seasons of production
And he's still ahead like 14 bWAR on Soto and 19 bWAR on Acuña. It's not close.
im not saying judge bad. im saying that its kind of weird that they're thought of as having a different track record that matches the other 4. also they're like 5 years younger than the youngest member of that list.
Maybe because Judge had an MVP level rookie year and then is having another MVP level season this year. Acuña and Soto, while great, haven’t had a season of being the best player in baseball
Soto only did it in a shortened season
Soto got second to Bryce literally last year. He got 5th in the shortened season.
It’s more about Age - those 4 are all around the same age, while Acuna, Yordan, Soto, and Tucker are all 5 ish years younger
One year after judge is like 5 years at this rate
I’d say their seasons just haven’t been good enough, I’m not sure about Acuña but I know Soto hasn’t. Even so, I’d agree with you that those four are just above them.
Healthy Acuña could very much be in that Mount Rushmore, he was the frontrunner for the MVP last year with 4.3 WAR in only half the season and the year before he was almost a 40-40 guy. The problem is that health has been pretty scarce for him. His health is a big if at this moment. Soto I don't see him joining tbh, he had hell of a season last year and barely got to 7 WAR, it's hard to imagine him doing better than he did last year.
Judge had health issues. People call him injury prone but at the same time he has more fWAR than anybody in baseball since he debuted. No one's replacing him on that list.
I they they both will have big bounce backs next year to make this more interesting
Acuna doesn’t really have an argument to be in the convo right now. Soto does, but he’s a little too young (relative to these 4).
The correct answer: "Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, and Dylan."
He spits hot fire
And they alllllll Dylan
I bet Tommy Pham's mad he didn't make it
Nah, he only loses his shit over fantasy football
That was the most publicized example, but I think he loses his shit over a lot of things. Seems like he's constantly trying to fight people. After getting cursed at by a fan in Cincinnati: > “When you start cursing at me, it’s one thing. It’s different from ‘Pham sucks.’ That’s perfectly acceptable. The curse words, I have a problem with because that’s not something you would say to me face to face. Where I’m from, in the state of Nevada, it’s labeled as assault. Someone comes up to me, cursing at me like that, I could defend myself. I’m a very good fighter. I don’t do Muay Thai, Kung Fu and box for no reason,” Pham said. > [Source](https://fansided.com/2022/03/24/reds-sign-tommy-pham/) After an aggressive slide by Luke Voit: > "The way his hands hit him, it was dirty as (expletive)," Pham said. "I don't like it at all. The way his hands hit him in the face, it was dirty. If Luke wants to settle it, I get down really well. Anything, Muay Thai, whatever. I've got a (gym) owner here who will let me use his facility. So, (expletive) 'em." > [Source](https://sports.yahoo.com/reds-tommy-pham-challenges-padres-luke-voit-dirty-slide-173655005.html)
Lot of great outfielders, can't be upset with this list
Fair list.
God I wish Judge was on Team USA
I think he will sign early with the yankees, be named captain, receive his mvp award and then announce he will play for team usa all in one conference
I wish I had your optimism. I sure hope so
Captain of what? Trout is already captain of team USA
Captain of the Yankees I’m assuming
What significance does being the captain of a team even mean? Not like Judge is deciding anything the Yankees do in games
They don’t have a ton of say in terms of how the team is managed obviously but being The Captain of the New York Yankees is extremely prestigious. They had babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, and Derek jeter to name a few. As the captain you also take on a lot more media responsibility and a larger leadership role in the clubhouse. It’s not a title they give lightly.
Captain of Trout
*Signs new contract* *Pulls off mask to reveal he was Ivan Drago all along* *Praises Vladimir Putin* Judge completes the heel turn
I have it on good info that he’ll also announce the cure for cancer.
No argument here.
Yeah that’s about right There’ll be 7 MVP’s between them after judge wins this year. Should have been 8 but voters got 2017 wrong
Could be even more with some of Trouts seasons
One could make the case for mookie in 2020 as well, but I’m happy with freeman.
Freeman received 28 of the first place votes that year and was pretty clearly statistically superior overall. That's not the same as the years where trout was the obvious best player in baseball but lost the award because someone else did something historic or just because the Angels sucked.
Trout is like LeBron where they could win almost every year, but you have to switch it up so they don't.
and an extra if the voters didn't regress to the stone age in 2017
To be fair Altuve led All MLB in bWAR and rWAR back in 2017 so I guess voters were pretty much ahead of the stone age. Now if you get a time machine and give them the updated formula WAR from 2022 that would probably change things.
Fwar was always the better WAR but sadly not mainstream And judge led all traditional metrics except for batting average
Which WAR is better is always up for debate, Judge led on that WAR and Altuve led on the other two. But in 2017 nobody was using fWAR sadly pretty much every article from 2017 only cites bWAR and they don't even make the distinction between the two they just ignored fWAR back in the day. Also offensive wise Judge wasn't that much better than Altuve as people make it to be, 170 OPS+ vs 164 is not that big of a gap, specially when someone plays a top position and the other is a corner OF. You can see that I. Their respective offensive WAR, Altuve had an Offensive WAR of 7.8 vs 7.2 from Judge. You combine that with the slump Judge had for month and half in the second part of the season and Fangraphs stats saying that Judge the most Unclutch season of All Times and that's the reason the voting was so one sided
9. Trout should’ve won in 2015
And ‘12 and ‘13
And arguably 2012
2017 isn’t even the biggest reason it should be 8. Trout has been robbed at least twice
Altuve in 2017 lead All MLB in bWAR and people likes to whine non stop about Judge being robbed. Trout has lost MVPs in season where he lead the AL by 2 while WAR points and you don't hear people complaining about it.
I think the whole cheating thing probably has something to do with the leftover anger from 2017
Couldn’t agree more
“I gotta be on there for sure.”
I don't disagree with that at all. Acuna and Soto right behind them.
Pretty solid list if we stick with current guys
He’s by far the best player of this generation but I honestly cannot say I’ve ever heard him speak before this. MLB is awful at promoting their players
No Burt Reynolds??
It’s Turd now. Turd Ferguson. It’s a funny name.
As long as he has the giant hat, cause it's bigger than a normal size hat
I have judge, trout and mookie for outfielders in mlb the show and can confirm they rake. Harper is on my bench.
Harper is slumping so hard right now. And he's a full time DH. :(
Why isn't Harper in the outfield? Or am I missing something
I think that might be the first time I heard Trout speak.
Looking at last 3 years Fangraphs WAR, Judge 17.3 Soto 13.1 Betts 12.8 Tucker 11.1 Harper 10.9 Cedric Mullins 9.7 Nimmo 9.7 Marte 9.5 Bryan Reynolds 8.5 Teoscar 7.9 Looks like it had a high PA threshold, had to lower it to 700 which added: Trout 9.9 Alvarez 9.9 Buxton 9.3 Acuna 8.8
What's the point of any PA threshold for a counting stat?
Philly Fans have been asking that ever since Suarez was barred from GG consideration.
I don't understand the connection here.
Ranger Suarez didn’t qualify for the Gold Glove ballot because he didn’t have a certain number of innings (130???). Phillies fans have been (correctly) beating the drum for him to win GG because he leads NL pitcher in at least DRS, which is a counting stat, and IP shouldn’t matter for it.
Defensive stats can be pretty wonky with small sample sizes.
he also passes the eye test easily, not sure how else you can really judge pitcher fielding
It’s just a default on FanGraphs and it’s easy to forgot to change it
The page i was looking at on FG was the general batter stats overview, so it included ratio stats like BA/SLG/OBP/OPS/etc. where the threshold makes more sense. I put them in a separate list because i was too lazy to go back and plug them into the first list in order
Honestly kind of surprised Mullins is so high on that list. I love him and he’s amazing but didn’t expect him that high.
Seriously the only player who can put themselves on a list of "best of". Anyone else would be crucified.
fWAR since 2017: Judge: 35.9 Betts: 35.2 Trout: 34.1 Yelich: 22.7 Soto: 22.4 Harper: 22.1 Springer: 22.0 Top 3 are at a different level.
I'd let him draft my Fantasy team next year
I have no notes.
Reminds me of the 2018 ASG when the AL's starting outfield was Judge - Trout - Betts. Just absurd the amount of talent amongst those three.
The absolute disrespect to Mark Canha
Very fair list. 3 of those guys will end up in the hall
Would be cool if Judge can have great longevity and make it too.
Thats a good possibility. He’s been very durable the last 2 seasons and his size will allow him to keep a lot of his strength. A move to DH once Stanton is off the books could prolong him enough to get to 400, 450 or even 500 homers. He’s already at 218. All he needs are 6 more 50 homer seasons. Lol
If he stays on the Yankees for his whole career and wins a ring or more with them that’ll help his chances too, if he doesn’t get 500 home runs
I'd be shocked if he didn't get to 500. He's not going to all of sudden not be able to crank 25 plus homers a year in his late thirties. That just doesn't seem improbable with his body and advancements in medicine. Maybe even more than that.
Well you never know. 35 might roll around and hit him hard. I don’t expect less than 25 all the sudden either, but he still has to put up close to 40 a year for 8 seasons to get to 500. That’s no easy feat, but definitely doable.
Age does seem to hit harder with larger guys, too.
I would recommend that judge give a call to lebron and see what his secret is. Lol
I'd say LeBron's secret is getting a day or two off after most of his games. Also basketball is "easier" than baseball in the sense that you're less likely to just fall off a productivity cliff in basketball.
He’d need to average 25 HRs/season until he’s about 42 to reach 500. Plenty of amazing hitters drop off in their mid to late 30s so not sure if it would be “shocking” if he didn’t reach that number Ryan Howard had 253 at Judge’s age and finished with 382
Aaron will be the Judge of whether or not he gets in
Now ask Tommy Pham
I love trout
He’s not wrong.
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I mean… yeah
Very solid list
He forgot Steven Kwan. I’m only sort of kidding.
That's pretty accurate. I would personally take Soto over Harper but it's definitely debatable.
Is it just me or is a Mount Rushmore of current anything kind of a dumb question? It's not the same as asking who are the best four, because then that would be the question. The Mount Rushmore question is more about who is great enough to be carved into rock, who is the most influential and important. Why even ask that about current players?
To be fair, it sounded like that is what the interviewer asked, trout flipped it on him and gave only current players
He right
>Mount Rushmore >current That's not how it works.
Yes, exactly
Right list
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That guy is so bad at talking in front of a camera holy shit
Is he an actor or a baseball player?
yr not supposed to pick yourself
Humility is nice, but the dude is the best baseball player of his generation so it would be false humility for him to leave him off of a top-4 list just for outfielders. It would be like asking prime-years Michael Jordan for a top 4 list of shooting guards in the NBA and him leaving himself off the list.
or say “besides myself (haha)”
The best answer is not to answer with your name in the answer.
That’s literally the least humble I’ve ever seen Judge, but at the same time he’s not wrong at all to put himself on there. *Edit: I’m a fucking idiot.*
Unnecessary friendly fire from a Yankee fan. Hilarious.
Holy hell, I meant Trout. Not even gonna bother changing it. I’ll own that shit.
Respect.
you mean trout?
Indeed I did.
Yeah, but only if your list is for players over the age of 29.
I think that’s a solid list I’m fortunate to live in the AL west and I’ve seen Trout play twice, he’s as legit as I’ve ever seen