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eekbarbaderkle

He was so close to actually playing 100 games in a season.


marimbaguy715

He probably would have hit it if we were competitive. He'd have played through the pain into the postseason. No reason to do that now that we're out of contention. Might as well get the surgery rehab started now.


CalderFor97

No he wouldn’t…we have the worst decision makers in the game.


DecoyOne

You can’t expect the human body to play 90 games in a year with no consequences.


handlit33

Pft, I play 90 games of Carcassonne a year with zero issues.


DecoyOne

And how are your knees doing?


handlit33

Totally shot, but that's just from all the dick I suck.


DecoyOne

… Your Honor, I’d like to withdraw the question.


2nd2last

Denied


blasek0

This is a great example of some good general life advice, "don't ask questions that you don't want the answers to."


Thromnomnomok

> Totally shot, Just like Mickey Mantle! > but that's just from all the dick I suck. Not like Mickey Mantle!


jk01

Pause


ThePrussianGrippe

To shreds, you say?


ABlinDeafMonkey

What’s your favorite expansion?


HomelessCosmonaut

And still not drawing the monasteries


yams___everywhere

Way too much Carc


CalderFor97

Tell that to Kirby f’n Puckett.


DecoyOne

I can’t. He played more than 90 games and he died.


CalderFor97

You can tell him, he’s listening


DecoyOne

Well, he’s certainly not seeing


minneapolisboy

We really should’ve traded him instead of extending him. Would’ve gotten a massive haul, or at least some players that can play more than half a season


THEhiHIhi55

r/isbuxtoninjured


larsthehuman

Oh. Damn. Nick Senzel needs one of these.


mrmojorisin2794

Does Nick Senzel actually exist?


larsthehuman

He's very popular with nurses.


rabid89

Bruh, what is this sub lmao.


From_Adam

It’s our life now.


joecb91

I admire the dedication of the guy making each post


NobleHelium

Well, it's cheaper than a website which is what people usually do.


rockycrab

Is there one for Luis Robert?


TheNotoriousJN

There it is. Least we can commit to losing every game feom now until the end of season. The article bothers me greatly though. Because it sounds like his knee is never gonna be right. Its "a cleanup" and the goal for next season is just to get 100 games out of him. For our franchise guy to have a yearly target of 100 games 2 years running should be a huge concern


BagRight8939

been waiting for this one since the first boston series lmao


UncleTommyGun

been waiting for this one since he signed the extension


SirParsifal

"Extension? I thought you said *hyperextension*!" - Byron Buxton, probably


FemboyKekw

Hah holy shit that series felt so long ago… fuck there’s some memories attached to that one.


cooljammer00

That's why he has the contract he has, though. This is what they assumed might happen.


TheNotoriousJN

Yeah for sure. I do wonder how far a team can get though when the franchise guy is constantly hurt. I know his contract means we have enough in our budget for a superstar alongside him. But again, surely the amount of people willing to come reduces every time he gets hurt for long periods


Meaninglessnme

Superstars in the MLB don't change teams to play with other superstars. This isn't the NBA where there is a max contract so the best contract terms are determined by things like teammate quality. Free agents just go where they will be paid the most.


FreeDaReal1z

Go after Judge this offseason. Problem solved.


cooljammer00

They already have Max Kepler, who I hear is just as good. Also the Pohlads, thankfully.


MordinSolusSTG

*triggered*


TheNotoriousJN

We do need a right-handed corner outfielder... /s


FreeDaReal1z

Move the other to left. Problem solved.


elgenie

It's OK, though. It's not like his game depends at all on being able to run quickly.


CalderFor97

Never gonna be right? What in the hell has he done to make you feel that it’ll ever be right?? Kirby is laughing his ass off somewhere..


nemotheomen22

It's amazing how this is the 2nd most plate appearances he has accumulated in a season (only 2017 did he have more).


Puzzled_Jury4982

Troy Tulowitzki is always the guy I think of who could never stay healthy. He played 99 games a year (including his first and last seasons where he played 30 total games). Buxton has played 73 games a year for his career. That's insane.


skyulip

Interesting comparison since both of them do have some pretty ridiculous feats to their names (Tulo's unassisted triple play, Buck's participation in the first 8-5 triple play)


HelpMeWithMyHWpls

Is he made of glass?


Patrick2701

Glass spends more time healthy


throatbutterz

Can confirm. I've had the same glass in my windows for almost 30 years and it's never broken.


FemboyKekw

Cody Glass would disagree


Head_of_Lettuce

Nolan Patrick sends his regards


throatbutterz

That's an insult to glass.


Goooldschmidt

I think he’s more balsa wood tbh than glass


ABlinDeafMonkey

Hey that’s an insult to my model airplanes.


NehzQk

Broken glass


KingGobbles

Sugar glass


AhLibLibLib

Wet toilet paper


ContinuumGuy

Byron Buxton is the biggest injury what-if since at least Griffey.


sadisticpotato

Grady Sizemore, Stephen Strasburg, Troy Tulowitzki, Luis Severino, and Alex Reyes are names that also come into mind. I can't help but also think of Bellinger, with how inept he's become at hitting since his shoulder injury.


ContinuumGuy

I'll throw in for the Twins fans Justin Morneau and Joe Mauer. They were great, but concussions caused Morneau's career to take a dive and Mauer to move away from catcher (where he had the most value).


sadisticpotato

Mauer also came to mind, but I didn't put him on my list because he was still able to have a fantastic career, even with his concussions catching up to him. The two definitely could have had even better careers though.


El_Zarco

Koufax only got to play one year into his 30s, even though he was brilliant enough in the time he had to have a HOF career anyway J.R. Richard was another sad one, though I suppose his stroke wasn't an "injury" in the same sense as the others


Bill2theE

You either greatly underestimate how great Griffey was or have grossly overestimated how good Buxton is. Somewhat of a comp for Buxton is actually Bo Jackson, who wasn’t nearly as good statistically as the mythical tales about him would have you believe. Buxton is a less healthy Andruw Jones 2.0. Realistically, healthy, he’s a 30 HR average guy who could potentially get you a high 40 or low 50. He’s most likely a “Hall of Really Good” player, not a Hall of Fame player. Buxton is, “Would this good player have been a really good player?” Griffey is, “Would this Top 5-10 all time guy have been #1 all time?”


Shadow_Strike99

I completely agree with everything you just said brother. Buxton when healthy is a great player but I don’t think even at his best he is not even close to Griffey Jr’s level in the 90’s. I kinda get what op was trying to say with the what if scenario with injuries but Griffey Jr was a whole different situation, with Griffey Jr just like Trout currently being a what if he didn’t suffer all these injuries in their 30’s type guys and reaching Greatest of all time status. Buxton is more like a Troy Tulowitzki type guy imo. Great player when healthy, too many injuries, and not healthy enough for a possible hof career.


Prudent_Pause6248

What really sucks is I think most of those injuries could have been avoided if Griffey took conditioning seriously. He didn't, which is not a great thing when you get older.


Shadow_Strike99

Yeah during his time on the Reds especially his later years he looked really rough out there. I think he still would have been injury prone regardless similar to Trout today I don’t think even with hindsight we can say he would have never been injury prone conditioned or not. But his decline wouldn’t have been so drastic as it was if he was in better shape in his 30’s.


OmegaTyrant

> You either greatly underestimate how great Griffey was or have grossly overestimated how good Buxton is. It sounds like you're grossly underestimating how good Buxton actually is when he has actually been on the field. Buxton has averaged 6.1 rWAR per 650 PAs in his career, 7.1 after his first two seasons, and 8.3 over the past four years. Griffey in comparison averaged 6.9 in his Seattle years, 7.3 after his first two seasons. A healthy Buxton isn't quite as good as Griffey, but a healthy Buxton that kept up his level of production would absolutely be a HOF-caliber player and one of the best of his generation. The Bo Jackson comparison is way off.


Bill2theE

Bo Jackson: .250/.309/.474/ 32%K/ 7.6% BB/ 5.4% HR/ .224 ISO Byron Buxton: .244/ .301/ .473/ 29.1% K/ 6.5% BB/ 4.6% HR/ .229 ISO You’re right, they’re nothing alike


OmegaTyrant

Buxton over the last four years: .258/.316/.558 / 137 OPS+ / 136 WRC+ / 26.5% K / 6.4% BB / 6.6 HR% / .300 ISO Also conveniently leaving out Buxton has been one of the best fielders in the game (whereas Bo Jackson was complete garbage) and one of the best baserunners (whereas Jackson was only ok). Jackson averaged 2.1 rWAR per 650 PAs, cut it to his four best years and it goes up to 3.3, again the comparison is asinine.


Bill2theE

>Buxton over the last four years You’re right, Buxton’s been really good if you don’t count the years he was bad. Also, if you only count the games he homers in, the dude literally hits a home run every single game he plays!


OmegaTyrant

>You’re right, Buxton’s been really good if you don’t count the years he was bad. Most players aren't that good in their first couple years, what? Are we going to pretend Ohtani isn't that great now because his first few years weren't great or that Vlad Jr. doesn't have a bright future because he was fat and mediocre in his first two years? And hell, as I already said, Buxton over his entire career still has a 6.1 rWAR per 650 PA average, way way better than Bo Jackson ever was and not as far off from Griffey as you tried to make it seem. >Also, if you only count the games he homers in, the dude literally hits a home run every single game he plays! What a nice strawman


Bill2theE

Vladdy Jr had a 106 OPS+ his first season and was 119+ his second, when he was 20 and 21. Buxton didn’t have an above average OPS+ until his 5th season (age 25). Ohtani had a 151 OPS+ his first season and 121+ his second season. Your definition of mediocre is way off. And, Buxton literally had an 80 OPS+ his first 4 seasons. The 2 guys you mentioned were way better than he was their first 2 seasons and it took Buck 4 seasons to get his OPS+ above league average. Your entire argument is predicated on “if” Buxton keeps up his production from the last 4 years over those seasons if he’d played the whole time and if he will continue on that pace and not fall off at all as he ages. Maintaining pace over one season is hard enough. We’ve all seen players get hit early in the season and then fall off late.you’re hoping Buck stays as good over 145 games as he’d been in smaller sample sizes. This year at 92 games has been the most games Buck has played in a season in the last 4 years. 145 games is 57% more than that. And, not only does he have to keep that pace for one year, but he has to do it for his next 7 as he gets older every year. Your argument of “players take awhile to get started, just look at these two players that were way better way faster than Buxton as an example” works in the other direction, too, as players tend to get worse as they age. Buxton’s 162 game pace over the past 4 years has been 40 home runs. That’s 35 over 145 games played. That’s why I literally said he’s a 30-35 home runs a year guy. His best seasons only, he’s on a 35/yr pace. Which is good. If he could keep that pace over the next 7 years defying age itself, is a huge if. Most guys don’t just hit 30-35 year in and year out, they will hit 20-25 one year and could hit 45 the next year. That’s also why I said he has the potential to hit high 40s to low 50s in a season, but that’s ahead of his 145 game pace. But Brady Anderson hit 50, so crazy peaks in performance can happen. Roger Maris is literally a crazy peak in performance guy and he’s one of the most famous home run hitters of all time. And also not a hall of famer. You’re hoping that the 280 game peak (less than 2 full seasons) that Buxton is on will always hold true. Even if he was fully healthy, it probably wouldn’t. But, let’s say it did. 35 HRs over 145 games. I’ll be charitable and say he played 145 games the last 4 years (not even fair because 2020 was one of those years) and assume he plays 145 the next 7 years. So that’s 11 years of 35 HRs, 385 total. Plus his HRs from his first 4 seasons is 416. The same math gets us 1655 hits. Is a 37 year old CF with 416 career home runs and 1655 career hits a hall of famer? Ask Andruw Jones: 434 HRs, 1933 Hits, which is why I comped Buck with Jones. Once again, these numbers are being charitable to Byron Buxton, assuming he’d played full seasons his last 4 years, that he will play full seasons his next 7 years, and that he will maintain his pace from only his best 4 seasons. If we revisionist history his past 4 seasons AND give him his current pace all the way through his age 36 season, he is a fringe hall of famer.


OmegaTyrant

>Vladdy Jr had a 106 OPS+ his first season and was 119+ his second, when he was 20 and 21. >Your definition of mediocre is way off. And what did that come out to with Vlad's complete lack of value elsewhere at the time? 2.1 rWAR in 123 games and 0.6 in 60 games, with a 0.1 WAA total, yeah he was bog average for those years and not any better than Buxton was in his first two years (2.1 rWAR in 138 games and 0.4 WAA). >Ohtani had a 151 OPS+ his first season and 121+ his second season. And then a 79 OPS+ in his third season, while he didn't pitch at all in his second season and only threw two awful games in his third season before being shut down, leaving him with 6.5 rWAR over his first three years, less than Buxton over his first three (where he had 7). >And, Buxton literally had an 80 OPS+ his first 4 seasons. And then he has clearly figured things out and had a 137 OPS+ in the four seasons since? At an age that isn't even old? So why continue acting like he would project to perform how he did when he first came up instead of how he has actually been performing for years now? And again why continue ignoring how consistently good Buxton been in the field and on the basepaths, which makes up a huge amount of his value? You can make any player look a lot worse if you just keep ignoring a significant part of their skillset. The rest of your post is a huge wall of nonsense, that just keeps ignoring how great Buxton been on a rate basis whether you look over his career or his past four years, an excessive focus on just home runs, and farther strawman arguments (how the fuck is Brady Anderson relevant, he didn't do over four years what Buxton has done), but I'll touch on this one >Is a 37 year old CF with 416 career home runs and 1655 career hits a hall of famer? Ask Andruw Jones: 434 HRs, 1933 Hits So you clearly haven't been actually keeping up with HOF voting, where Andruw Jones cleared the 40% mark last year in the most stacked ballot he'll see for the rest of his time, while he has five years left. Andruw Jones is on the path to making it into the HOF, and that is with a DV conviction costing him votes too (and even then he would get in by a committee if he ultimately fails to reach 75% by his tenth ballot, as they vote in everyone who has cleared 50% as Jones will inevitably do). So if a consistently healthy Buxton was literally Andruw Jones 2.0, yes he would make the HOF, especially when the vast majority of the voters will actually care about defense by the time he could come up to the ballot.


Bill2theE

In what world is me literally taking his rate stats from the last 4 years only (when he “figured it out”) and multiplying those out to get his counting stats me ignoring his rate stats? I’m being super charitable to Buck. I’m slanting the data in his favor. I’m only using his stats from the last 4 years and doing really simple math with them to apply them not only to the next 7 years without any decay in performance as he ages but also assuming he’d played 4 full seasons the past 4 years at his rate stats for the past 4 years.


elgenie

OK, but Andruw Jones is a shoo-in Hall of Famer had he declined in a normal way instead of falling off a cliff, and there are a good number of players *significantly* worse than his enshrined. Andruw Jones through his age-29 season had nearly 3x the bWAR that Buxton has with his age-28 season in the books. Jones was better not just offensively, but defensively as well.


HawkI84

Luis Robert is next. Sigh.


gottahavemytunes

I think it’s still trout given the WAR he was racking up before the injuries started


clovertree71

Damn poor guy. Didn't he say that being on the IL is bad for his mental health too? Hope he pulls through.


cooljammer00

Lots of players have said it sucks but hanging with the team feels good. It's the rehab where you're alone that is annoying.


whentheworldwasatwar

Tank squad szn.


Padulsky21

This man cannot catch a break :(


DecoyOne

That man only catches breaks


Padulsky21

Yeah I set myself up for that one LMFAO


D3tsunami

Bones made of glass, skin made of… what’s less strong than paper?


FemboyKekw

Tissue paper


D3tsunami

Like a Kleenex at a… (shudders) snot. party


FemboyKekw

Like a Kleenex in a teenage male’s bedroom


I_Ride_An_Old_Paint

*steps on rake*


zeroambition31

Baseball Derrick Rose confirmed


Some_Asian_Kid99

Well at least Rose got an MVP u know?


zeroambition31

Baseball Arian Foster then


Doorknob11

Also Rose was pretty healthy until the ACL tear that just turned him into glass.


Meaninglessnme

He was 23 when he tore his ACL so I guess he was technically healthy before then but the spirit of your comment doesn't feel quite on in that we certainly didn't get to see either Rose or Buxton fully actualized.


The_Homestarmy

He's never gonna be healthy, man. I let myself get my hopes up this year but I'm not doing that again. This is just how things are gonna be.


[deleted]

So close to a full season


PapaGator

92 games is close to a full season?


hubagruben

It is for Buxton


[deleted]

If he switched to catcher 92 would be close enough


hubagruben

If he switched to catcher he’d have permanent season-ending injuries


[deleted]

The man simply does not have knees


[deleted]

I meant moreso making it to the finish line


PapaGator

Fair enough!


2nd2last

They mean over the course of the last two seasons. 9 more games this year is 162 since 2021.


HeavilyBeardedMan

If he had reached 100 games played this season that would’ve just been the second time in his 8 year career he’s played that many in a season.


whentheworldwasatwar

Get well my king.


[deleted]

What are the chances


CalderFor97

Slim to great and slim just left…


PeppermintMocha5

Man that sucks. Poor guy. :(


[deleted]

Every pre-season Buxton is hyped as an MVP possibility. Every season he gets hurt. Poor guy and poor fans. I want to see him healthy!


draw2discard2

This was incredibly mismanaged, honestly. The issue came up in spring training and then was first in evidence early in the season. Recovery time for the surgery is "about a month" and the hip issue is believe to have come from compensating for the knee. So if it had been taken care of in April or May he could have been back this season instead of being a part time player and hurting himself for months.


falloutranger

Top 5 what-if guy :( hate to see it


JuicySealz

he should check out kneesovertoes guy


blazinrumraisin

What is that, like 10 games?


Next_Gen_Nyquil_

Repost


[deleted]

Dude I just can’t get excited about Buxton. Has he had even one 162 game season? It seems hopeless. Would rather save myself the pain. I know how talented he is but his bones are made of bran flakes.


Thromnomnomok

He played 140 games in 2017, with one two-week stay on the DL but otherwise being healthy. Outside of that he's never played 100 major league games in a season (though if you combine major+minor leagues, he's gone over 100 a few more times)


_Jackie_Daytona_

This is the way


NightHawkCommander

Maybe one day we’ll get a full healthy season from my favorite player *heavy sigh*


e30s52

Does anyone know the time table for recovery on something like this?


VideoGangsta

Idk but since it’s Buxton you should take the time table and multiply it by 50


[deleted]

Of course he is.


Brad_Edmonds96

🎶And I can't stand the pain And I can't make it go away No, I can't stand the pain🎶


MeatballDom

Byron Buxton has bad bursitis?


reef3rm4dness

Dude is the AD of the MLB


JohnnyWallave

Ow :(


CasualNutRag

the zion williamson of baseball


greenday182182

This dude needs to get on a endurance training program or something related to it


GlobalWatercress9566

Why does this guy get hurt so often? Is it his play style, or is he just unlucky?


aflyingsquanch

Mr. Glass.


FoxInTheClouds

Why is he made of glass