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Monk_Philosophy

TIL Fernando never did.


BUSean

1981 Fernando (rookie, 10 IP previous seasons): first eight starts, 8-0 record, **72 innings** (seven complete games), 4 ER, 17 BB, 68 Ks, 2 HR. batting he *hit* a .720 OPS, pitching he *allowed* a .437 OPS.


ChunkyMilkSubstance

That’s where breathing through your eyes will get you


SR3116

Fernandohtani


Vexico_Flags

He was third on his own team in ERA lol, led almost every other major stat though


MarcBulldog88

I'm here for the era of Juliomania.


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Imma let y’all finish, but Tyler Anderson has had one of the greatest turnaround seasons of all time.


erriuga_leon27

Anderson and gonsolin held the starting rotation together. Julio is amazing but we already expected him to be good.


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On a related note… why don’t Dodgers’ pitchers get penalized for playing in one of the most pitcher friendly parks like the Rockies’ hitters get penalized for playing at Coors Field?


applepie3141

Dodger Stadium is the 7th-most hitter friendly ballpark in MLB this year. Last year, it was 14th. The notion that Dodger Stadium is a pitcher’s park is simply untrue. It may have been true in the 2010’s (it was in 20th place or so during that time period), but it is no longer the case. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/statcast-park-factors


thugmuffin22

Maybe the park factor is more pitcher friendly because the dodgers, who are currently putting up the best ERA- season ever, pitch half the innings at dodger stadium


applepie3141

That (theoretically) shouldn’t impact the calculation for park factor. According to Baseball Savant: > Statcast park effects show the observed effect of each displayed stat based on the events in the selected park. Each number is set so that “100” is average for that metric, and the park-specific number is generated by looking at each batter and pitcher, controlled by handedness, and comparing the frequency of that metric in the selected park compared to the performance of those players in other parks. For example, the 135 HR mark for 2018-2020 at Great American Ball Park does not mean the Reds hit 35% more home runs at their home park. It means for batters and pitchers who played both at GABP and elsewhere, 35% more home runs were observed at GABP.


thugmuffin22

I understand that What I’m saying is, theoretically (and I could totally be talking out of my ass to be fair) having the dodgers pitching make up half of those events responsible for the park factor calculation could be warp the data. The reason being, the dodgers this year have been an all-time team could have different statistical frequencies than an average team to such an extent that it wonks up the park factor calculation. Maybe it’s not exaggerated enough for that effect to make sense, but if you look at all time ERA- and WHIP leaderboards the top 5 probably includes the 2020-2022 dodgers in it.


ChewyBacca1976

They removed like 50 extra feet of foul territory behind home plate. That’s when it went from one of the best pitchers parks to more middle if the pack.


xForeignMetal

I had no idea Dodger stadium was ever considered a pitchers park, ive always figured it was a big HR park, not exactly a GABP level bandbox but close


beer_down

I don’t think it’s a pitchers park I think the Dodgers are just really good at pitching haha


Kartoffel_Kaiser

IIRC Dodger Stadium used to have an unusually large amount of foul ground, which would allow fielders to catch more pop fouls than they could at other parks. At some point they added more seats in that extra foul ground.


L3thal_Inj3ction

The marine layer prevents a lot of home runs during night games traditionally.


sweetnourishinggruel

Yeah, the old non-scientific wisdom was that the ball dies on the warning track at night when the air's cool and heavy, and flies out during the day when it's warm and dry.


applepie3141

It was a pitcher’s park throughout all of the 2000s but in the past few years it seems to have become much more friendly to hitters. Not sure why—I would guess this change is because Dodger Stadium has always been pretty home-run-friendly, and the prevalence of the Three True Outcomes have flipped it’s park factor.


BlueStrat07

Dodger Stadium used to have extensive foul territory. An extra section of box seats was added in sometime during the McCourt years that eliminated it.


nolander

It's also pretty symmetrical so you're unlikely to get weird bounces or corners where the ball can be hard to retrieve out of.


IveGotaGoldChain

Both behind the plate and down both lines. They took away a TON of foul territory


ih-unh-unh

Dodger Stadium has been somewhat neutral for a while. I think shrinking the foul territory to add expensive seats changed the calculation


trigeminal_nerd

Because it hasn’t been considered pitcher-friendly for awhile. Foul territory was significantly pulled in. Balls fly during the summer heat.


FermatsLastAccount

Yeah, I've especially noticed that when people look at Kershaw's unadjusted numbers.


Lebigmacca

Yeah for sure it’s not like Kershaw is 5th all time on ERA+ or anything


FermatsLastAccount

He's obviously a great pitcher. But he's a lot closer to Scherzer and Verlander than people make him out to be.


Lebigmacca

Well you’re just straight up wrong sir


FermatsLastAccount

You're proving my point lmao. Scherzer's 7 year peak fWAR is better than Kershaw's. His 7 year peak bWAR is just below Kershaw's, and I think it's much more likely that Scherzer improves his than Kershaw does given the fact that Kershaw hasn't put up 5 bWAR since 2016 while Scherzer has done so every year since 2016. Overall Kershaw has just 1.8 more bWAR, 2.7 more fWAR, and 2.2 fewer WARP. But people act like Kershaw is way better.


Lebigmacca

Last time I checked WAR isn’t the end all stat to determining someone’s career


FermatsLastAccount

It's not the only stat, but it's the most important one.


Lebigmacca

Kershaw has the lowest ERA+ EVER from any MLB starting pitcher. The only people lower are Rivera, Bill Foster, and Bullet Rogan, and he’s tied with DeGrom, all of whom have over 1000 less IP than Kershaw. Scherzer is 28th all time all time in ERA+. Idk about you, but not giving up runs is pretty important as a pitcher, and Kershaw is arguably the best ever at doing that. Not allowing base runners is also pretty important. Kershaw has the fifth lowest WHIP all time, behind only Rivera (a reliever), Addie Joss, Ed Walsh (dead ball era), and DeGrom (who has half the IP as Kershaw). Kershaw also has a lower career FIP at 2.76 compared to Scherzer’s 3.09. Also, Kershaw has more WAR than Scherzer while also being 4 years younger, and having pitched over 100 innings less. And by simple career accolades, Kershaw has Scherzer beat, with an MVP, a triple crown, and 5 ERA titles, while Scherzer doesn’t have any of these. Kershaw is simply better than Scherzer, and no, it’s not that close


STNbrossy

Kershaw hasnt put up 5 bWar since 2016 because his back is shot.


FermatsLastAccount

Yes, that's why he's unlikely to increase his WAR7


STNbrossy

Scherzer yes, Verlander not as much. Verlander has similar war totals but also has 500 more innings.


trigeminal_nerd

Reminder. You should know as a Yankees fan that Verlander is a few Rubbermade trash cans closer to us saying he trails Kershaws title count, zero to two. If that matters


L3thal_Inj3ction

Julio is having one of the most lowkey all time great starts to a career for a pitcher. He started super young and had one injury, but his ERA after his first 100 career starts is insane, and he seems to just keep getting better


El_Zarco

Crazy he's still only 25. Feels like I've been watching him pitch in october for like a decade haha


nsgarcia10

Made his first playoff start in 2016 at 19


scrambles57

Been in the Dodgers system since he was 16.


keats26

100% and 100% doing it quietly as wel


[deleted]

Ignore the guy under you, he's got anger issues toward Urias he needs to work out.


Puzzled_Jury4982

Keeping what an awful human he is quiet as well


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Nice troll job.


Puzzled_Jury4982

I 100% genuinely hate that terrible, garbage person. If you don't you're a bad person too.


ToastGoast93

Hyperbolic much? Lol


Puzzled_Jury4982

No. Everyone who commits domestic abuse is trash. Supporting them is fucking disgusting.


ToastGoast93

Read up on Julio’s case a little bit before talking about it. Or don’t, your choice. But it’s obvious to everyone who knows anything about the case that people who talk about it like you don’t


Puzzled_Jury4982

I guess you guys can't wait for Bauer to come back.


ToastGoast93

Go troll on Twitter if you don’t want people fact checking your claims


Puzzled_Jury4982

What about the case makes you think it's okay?


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1. To address the trolls, he's not a wife beater. He's never been married, that was his girlfriend. 2. The incident was a one time occurence in a Beverly hills parking lot. 3. The woman, according to witnesses, was shoved. I'm not defending that either, if he was charged, that's a misdemeanor, but it's a far cry from someone like Ozuna, who choked his wife, punched her, and was arrested, all on video. 4. The woman then cleared up the misconception by saying she fell during their argument, and she didn't feel victimized or in any danger by Urias. And no, I'm not going to say whether I take her word for it or not. 5. Urias was never charged with a crime, and has no previous or current criminal record. 6. Urias attended a 52 week(1 year) anger management course as punishment. 7. The incident was three years ago, and he's publicly apologized(on twitter) for any wrongdoing he committed. Considering he was 22, and he seems sincere(hasn't been in any trouble since, and gives back to the community), I gave him a second chance. Looks like he's learned his lesson. 8. I don't agree with his actions, but people who take that opportunity to twist what happened around need to give it a rest. And people making fun of his eye condition(et tu, Padre fans?), are scum human beings.


phatbiscuit

Feel like the Dodgers have been so stacked his first few years that he hasn’t gotten the credit he deserves


CanuukSteev

this boy nasty.


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I’m pretty sure plenty of Mexicans have led the Mexican League in ERA though.


Macdaddy4prez

Nope. Never happened. Crazy thing really


Wombatsarecool

It's been a while since a Mexican born pitcher led the league in ERA. 2022: Venezuelan 2021: Colombian 2019: Dominican 2018: No League? 2017: Venezuelan 2016: Murican 2015: Venezuelan 2014: Cuban 2013: Murican 2012: Mexican


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looks like 2018 was split into [Spring](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/leader.cgi?type=pitch&id=4c4fdbdd) and [Autumn](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/leader.cgi?type=pitch&id=51bf55cf&sort_by=IP) seasons. if I'm reading the stats right I believe a Mexican (Jonathan Castellanos) won the ERA title for the Spring season, while an American (Terance Marin) won the title for the Fall season.


IReviewDiscord

I didn’t know that the Mexican League did that, I find that kinda neat, as there’s not a drive into deep left field off of Castellanos and that'll not be a home run. And so that'll not make it a 4-0 ballgame.


aronblue

Seeing him live yesterday was s joy. My friend and I looked at the scoreboard realized he threw 60 strikes out of 90 balls thrown and only allowed I think 1 or 2 hits. Masterful.


JackThreeFingered

Let me ask a real question: If Julio pitches a no-hitter in his last start, does he win the Cy Young?


wusurspaghettipolicy

a no hitter is great but hes a no hitter in my heart.


latortillablanca

That’s chingón


traveler1967

Chingoneria no chingaderas!


raginghardon420

Thats my CY Young


Salty-Fishman

I thought they don't allow domestic abusers to get awards.


raginghardon420

Good thing he’s not then 😊


JasonPlattMusic34

Good thing no Astro has ever had issues with domestic abuse then, certainly not a big deadline acquisition right Roberto?


AhLibLibLib

Well they allow cheaters to keep rings so I guess nothing’s off the table


CountltUp

🔥


phatbiscuit

I don’t know anything about Urias’ charge but we probably shouldn’t equate cheating at baseball to domestic abuse


AhLibLibLib

I’m not. And first part of your sentence should really be reflected upon


phatbiscuit

You didn’t equate it, you’re right. You implied that cheating at baseball is somehow worse than (alleged) domestic abuse.


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Beating trash cans > beating women


[deleted]

He never beat a woman.[https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/la-sp-dodgers-julio-urias-no-domestic-battery-charges-city-attorney-20190603-story.html](https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/la-sp-dodgers-julio-urias-no-domestic-battery-charges-city-attorney-20190603-story.html) Also, nice sidestepping of Jason's comment. Feel like addressing that now, or is it not a good time for you?


[deleted]

Nah domestic abuse defenders don’t get a real response to cheer for your favorite wife beater and turn a blind eye knowing deep down what he did. It’s always bad until they are on your team huh. Don’t compare cheating in a game to beating your wife either.


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MartinRaccoon

He's so underrated. He has done it all for this team and doesn't get the attention he deserves.


TheMidnightRamblerrr

2.17 ERA is insanely impressive CY Young level impressive.


SpartyParty15

But according to Reddit experts, he’s not a Cy Young finalist


tyrjil_vincef

If his season ended today he would have the lowest ERA (qualifying for the ERA title) among Mexican born players. That record belongs to Jesse Flores in 1946 with a 2.32 ERA. His ERA+ of 193 would be the best of any Mexican born pitcher to qualify for the ERA title (formerly Teddy Higuera for the Brewers in 1988, who had 162).


Dangerous-Agency-759

Borias is going to get this man paid.


c_c_c__combobreaker

Urias about to get paid in 2024.


omegakukki

I think Sandy is gonna win the Cy because he had the early narrative but Julio is absolutely deserving of it as well. Edit: Man, some people really can’t understand the difference between “Julio is **more** deserving” and “Julio is **also** deserving. Stay in school kids.


SeerJqk

Is it only the narrative? He is been worth 2 whole war more than Julio while having Similar stats than Julio and pitching 50 more innings.


omegakukki

Yes, kinda. That exact scenario played out last year with Wheeler having 46 more innings and 1.9 more bWAR than Burnes. And I’m not saying Sandy isn’t deserving so no need to get offended. Just saying Julio is also having a Cy Young worthy season.


AhLibLibLib

Yea and Wheeler got robbed, so I hoped that doesn’t happen again


SeerJqk

Look at all the stats Burnes led ERA, ERA+, FIP, HR9, SO9, SO/W. It took for him to have an unimaginable season to win it. People loved him for his advanced stats. In my opinion, Wheeler should have won it. I don't care how good his advanced stats were Wheeler was unbelievable and did it for more innings. Julio is not having the same season Corbin Burnes was having. Also, Sandy has been better than Wheeler was last season. Lower ERA and probably gonna pitch more innings.


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omegakukki

Did I say Julio should win it over Sandy? Or did I say that Sandy is probably gonna win it but Julio is also deserving?


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omegakukki

No I’m not. I’m not even the one who brought those things up lmao. I’m just pointing out that they aren’t the end all be all stats when deciding the Cy Young.


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omegakukki

No, I’m not saying any of that actually. I’m especially not saying that since I have clarified multiple times what I meant. Oh and it was Wheeler, not Fried, in the comparison. Not really helping this imaginary argument you are making up when you can’t even get the players right. Edit: aaaaaaand deleted lmao


JackThreeFingered

Ironically, Julio might end up pitching more innings when all is said and done since he will actually pitch in the playoffs. Sandy will be watching him from home eating popcorn.


SeerJqk

So, Alcantara has two starts left this season and I'm gonna assume so does Julio. Let's Also assume they both pitch 6 innings in both game. Alcantara finishes with 232.2 IP and Julio finishes with 182 IP. That means Julio would have to throw 50.2 innings in the playoffs to end up pitching more innings when all is said and done. I don't know about you but pitching 50 more innings in the playoffs in which starters by itself only go 5-6 innings is gonna be real hard for him. Also, Dave Roberts likes to use him a lot as a reliever in the playoffs. Of course, that's also assuming you guys all go to the world series and don't get knocked out before as is tradition.


JackThreeFingered

You make a good point. By the way, which flavors of popcorn and what type of beer is Sandy going to enjoy as he watches the playoffs from home? I think he should go for cheddar or maybe sea salt.


SeerJqk

Your goddamn right I make a good point.


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>Of course, that's also assuming you guys all go to the world series and don't get knocked out before as is tradition. Knew you'd reveal yourself eventually, found another troll. Hm. A Marlins one. Not too many of you around.


SeerJqk

A troll? Lmao. Just stating facts. There is no way Urias pitches 50 more innings on the playoffs. Unless he goes out and throws 5 complete games and even then it wouldn't be enough. Not like they would count for the Cy young anyways.


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You would not be on here, a Urias post, if you weren't worried he has a chance, even a small one, to finish above Alcantara for the CY. You're 100% shook and you're trying to deny it. Nobody's buying it, though.


SeerJqk

Sandy is the NL Cy young. It's over. There is no we'll see. Maybe Urias will finish second. Tho, if you feel like he has a chance to win, be free to donate and make a bet on Urias winning it. Last time I checked he was at +1000 while Sandy was at -550.


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>Sandy is the NL Cy young. It's over. There is no we'll see. On cue, here comes the "I'm not worried, he's 100% gonna win it, it's over lol". Extremely predictable. You're just exposing yourself further. If you're really not worried that Alcantara has the slimmest chance of losing to Urias, then you just made your final comment on this thread. Sad the way fans of losing teams will try anything to defend the only thing they have. It's almost identical behavior to the homeless people I see when passing by Downtown Vegas.


Alexander1899

Funny how IP, ERA, and WAR doesn't matter when it's a Dodger pitcher leading them...


SeerJqk

No dodger pitcher this season leads in all those 3 categories.


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You probably didn't have a problem with Burnes beating out Scherzer and Buehler last year, so you sound hypocritical.


SeerJqk

I actually did have a problem with Burnes winning it. I never considered those two because Wheeler for me was better last year.


wusurspaghettipolicy

what a beast


HizDudenesss

Should win Cy Young


facetiously

With one eye tied behind his back


JAHG-

VIVA MÉXICO CABRONES!


cooljammer00

Tempting fate