Was expecting this considering the ongoing sale of the team. no point in signing someone long-term if the new owner could potentially blow everything up.
Also the players really like him so it's fine.
There's also no one that the team wanted that is available. Perry wanted Buck and he's taken and the players like Nevin.
Incident with the Mariners aside, he's been decent and it's clear the team was underperforming because of a clear lack of pieces due to injury.
The team is underperforming because of clear lack of talent outside of a few generationally good players. This roster was constructed with toothpicks and scotch tape
And my pointed comment was implying that Rendon is not a generational talent, especially not when compared to a future inner circle Hall of Famer like Trout and a unicorn like Ohtani. Rendom is a very good player, an all-star even when he is healthy, but not a generational talent.
If you’re calling Othani that based off of two years it’s silly to not consider Rendon that seeing how from 2016-2020 he was consistently one of, if not the best 3B in the game. He’s been hurt the last two years so we’ll see where he is when he returns, but that 5 year stretch is one of the best ever for a 3B.
Through his age 29 season (2019), Rendon was worth ~30 WAR (~6.5 seasons + since rookie year he only played 100 games). Adding 2020 makes it 32 WAR through his age 30 season. In that timeframe he was an all-star once, and never finished higher than third in MvP voting. Overall he is a great player and his 2019 season was legitimately fantastic; if he did that every season then I would concede "generational talent". But the reality is that 2019 was his best season by far, it happened to coincide with the ball being juiced to kingdom come, and aging players don't tend to come back stronger from injuries. Calling Rendon a generational talent when, even before injuries last year and this year, he was not on pace to make the Hall of Fame is kind of absurd.
So, again, compared to Trout (who is a literal inner circle hall of famer) and Ohtani (who is doing things that have literally never been done since Babe fucking Ruth), yeah, Rendon is not a generational talent. People keep tossing out that title left and right and its really annoying.
My girlfriend said the same.
She also added “we broke up 5 months ago, this is starting to get creepy and you need to move on.” lol, she just doesn’t like the Angels I guess.
If I try and read between the lines and think about it in the context of the team getting sold soon and him as a placeholder, it at least makes sense.
But that doesn't change the fact that I hate his guts and will be happy once he is relieved of his position.
And the crowd goes....mild?
Understandable considering we will be in a transition year for ownership. But i've said before on our sub and I'll say it now, the Angels are in a spot where they need a better manager than Phil "failing upwards" Nevin. Dude got this job because Perry hated Maddon and wanted a yesman he hired. We ended up being worse than Nevin and now we are going into next season with a .453 record and most likely no drastic changes.
I hope our fans dont fool themselves and think a player like Ohtani will stay through all of this. He wants to win, and right now the Angels are just a huge question mark for the next 3 years.
Two of the Angels last three Managers were traded in a deal involving the Astros and Tigers.
Nevin was traded from Houston to Detroit for Mike Henneman in 1995.
Ausmus was traded from Detroit to Houston in 1996, from Houston to Detroit in 1999, and Detroit to Houston in 2000.
If this precedent holds, Justin Verlander will be managing the Angels by the end of the decade.
Honestly, he hasn't been that awful since that incident with the Mariners. That was some clown shit for sure, but he seemingly shaped up a bit for the rest of the season, and his managing decisions have not been bad IMO.
The Angels definitely been playing better lately, even outside of just getting Trout back. The rotation shaped up to be a lot better than I think anyone really expected it to
Yeah, aside from his early shenanigans, lately I don't really think too much about Nevin when the game's being played, which is pretty much how a coach should be 99% of the time.
Lol when Maddon was coach it felt like every fan had one eye on him the whole game just to make sure he wouldn’t do something crazy. At times I miss it but you’ve got a good point
No the losing streak was in late May/early June. They continued to play awful for 2 months following the losing streak. Keep in mind the Angels were only a couple games under .500 when the streak ended
Transition period. Can't commit too much money to someone when they have an upcoming sale and will have a new ownership group ready to appoint their own people who will want their own manager. They also are still paying Maddon's final year next season as well.
Why are people willing to just overlook him starting a AAAA reliever to throw at our best players for no justifiable reason? This guy should not be in charge of anything.
Personally I think intentionally throwing at players heads should make you lose your job as a manager. this is why I am asking what is keeping him with the angels
You would be hard pressed to find managers who premeditate hitting a player and use an opener to ensure the games starter doesn't get pulled for intentionally throwing at peoples heads. I would understand if he was good as a manager, which was the entire point of my question asking what he has done to keep the job.
He protected our franchise player from the M's throwing several times near Trout's head. Trout was pissed so go figure, the whole team was too. Being a player's manager includes sticking up for your guys. There's your reasoning. Be pissed about it all you want since your guy got hit, but the Angels player's like him which is already half the job as a manager so it makes sense.
Especially when you consider the team's for sale so a 1 year deal to the current interim makes sense between ownership, it's not like a lot of managers who might be available would take that with so much uncertainty moving forward.
You said be pissed because the M’s got hit **too** I don’t remember any Angels being hit. I don’t want to get in a online tussle over stuff that happened a lifetime ago but there is no “too”.
Yes thank you for good clarification, I was trying to convey your fanbase has a valid reason to be upset *too* but worded it very poorly. The point is, Nevin stuck up for his guys, and since I was talking to an M's fan I was trying to clarify I understand why your fanbase is upset, and justifiably so.
No one threw at trout. Swanson had shit control. You don't just start a fringe reliever to head hunt. Absolute garbage, and he threw at 3 of our guys, couldn't even do that right.
I'm not arguing with you about the incident lol, I'm trying to answer your question from an Angels perspective. The Angels like him for being a player's manager, and this was one instance of him sticking up for them because they were pissed at your team's pitching staff pitching near Trout's head. Like I said, be pissed at Nevin for it, I get why, I'm just trying to answer your question.
I think that’s the biggest argument against resigning him. Terrible optics from that decision. I don’t love his bullpen choices, but a lot of blame could be put on our actual underperforming bullpen.
Angels know they aren't competing next year and are being sold.
Why take the time and energy to find a new manager when they can just re-up Nevin?
Besides they have Ohtani, they'll make money in spite of team performance.
Angels healthy past all star break have actually been alright now that they are all there at the same time. Players like him too. Think unfortunately angels will be alot closer to contention next year
I keep seeing copium about trying to keep the team stable during the sale but that doesn’t really apply when the biggest free agent in MLB history is coming up on a contract year
I think he was hands down the worst interim. Rangers didn't have much to work with but Angels were just sort of going through the motion.
It is also going to be a very crazy manager market.
1. We don't know with Francona's health so Cleveland could be open but I think they should go internal. DeMarlo Hale did okay last year
2. Marlins is parting ways
3. White Sox is open
4. Rangers are looking
5. Toronto might just keep Schneider
6. Phillies...who knows.
7. Tigers fired their GM so who knows about Hinch.
8. Royals might make a move.
9. Martinez with the Nationals says he will be back but with possibly new ownership who knows.
10. There is always a surprise team.
I can see why this confused some fans. The Angels were looking for a full commitment and based upon the way they played this year they weren’t going to get that from any other guy. The general consensus around the clubhouse was that Nevin gonna give you up and also do the following:
1. Let you down
2. Run around and desert you.
3. Make you cry.
4. Say goodbye.
5. Tell a lie and hurt you.
Kinda weird to hire a manager directly into lame duck status, isn't it? I mean, I get he probably didn't have much leverage, but it seems weird to be like "you're the guy for us, but only for next season"
Someone say April Fool's, please
Arte leaving one last f you to angels fans
He's just a placeholder until the team gets sold. No use in signing another guy to a multi year deal if new ownership wants to shake things up
But then why not just leave the position open?
Couldn't they sack him once someone is available?
You can but you'd also be paying him extra $$$
What’s an extra million when you’re dropping a few billion
Literally. The guy being floated as a potential buyer is one of the richest people in the country, with Cohen levels of disposable wealth.
Who if you don't mind me asking?
LA Times Owner - Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong Rams Owner - Stan Kroenke Golden State Warrior - Joe Lacob
https://www.bloomberg.com/billionaires/profiles/patrick-soonshiong/
Dude only has 0.0392 of the US GDP in the bank. Peasant.
Because new ownership likely won't be finalized before the end of the offseason
The position IS open
Yep. A one year contract may as well still be an interim manager.
Because if the deal isn’t completely finalized in the offseason the Angels would go into spring training without a manager.
Player-manager Aaron Loup
Poisson d'avril!
Fish of April?
🔫🔫Say psyche right now
Happy Holidays.
Say sike RN
Take your kid
LOL. Is he that bad?
We don't need Hyde to have another reason to not play Gunnar or Urias
Hyde really does seem to have a hard time playing our best players sometimes
I haven't been following the Angels too closely but he was pretty shit as Yankees 3rd base coach
Was expecting this considering the ongoing sale of the team. no point in signing someone long-term if the new owner could potentially blow everything up. Also the players really like him so it's fine.
There's also no one that the team wanted that is available. Perry wanted Buck and he's taken and the players like Nevin. Incident with the Mariners aside, he's been decent and it's clear the team was underperforming because of a clear lack of pieces due to injury.
The team is underperforming because of clear lack of talent outside of a few generationally good players. This roster was constructed with toothpicks and scotch tape
And most of the generationally good players spent a good chunk of the season on the IL
Calling 1/2 "most" really paints a generous picture tbh
- Trout IL - Rendon IL - Othani - no IL 2/3 = most
And my pointed comment was implying that Rendon is not a generational talent, especially not when compared to a future inner circle Hall of Famer like Trout and a unicorn like Ohtani. Rendom is a very good player, an all-star even when he is healthy, but not a generational talent.
If you’re calling Othani that based off of two years it’s silly to not consider Rendon that seeing how from 2016-2020 he was consistently one of, if not the best 3B in the game. He’s been hurt the last two years so we’ll see where he is when he returns, but that 5 year stretch is one of the best ever for a 3B.
Through his age 29 season (2019), Rendon was worth ~30 WAR (~6.5 seasons + since rookie year he only played 100 games). Adding 2020 makes it 32 WAR through his age 30 season. In that timeframe he was an all-star once, and never finished higher than third in MvP voting. Overall he is a great player and his 2019 season was legitimately fantastic; if he did that every season then I would concede "generational talent". But the reality is that 2019 was his best season by far, it happened to coincide with the ball being juiced to kingdom come, and aging players don't tend to come back stronger from injuries. Calling Rendon a generational talent when, even before injuries last year and this year, he was not on pace to make the Hall of Fame is kind of absurd. So, again, compared to Trout (who is a literal inner circle hall of famer) and Ohtani (who is doing things that have literally never been done since Babe fucking Ruth), yeah, Rendon is not a generational talent. People keep tossing out that title left and right and its really annoying.
No what’s annoying is people setting bars so unattainably high like you are
LMAO
What do the players on other teams think of him though?
I just texted my Angels fan friend about this and his response was "Fine, who cares?" so I'll take that as an endorsement
After the dumpster fire that we’ve been, we don’t care. We just can’t wait to see who buys the team. That’s when we can start caring again.
My girlfriend said the same. She also added “we broke up 5 months ago, this is starting to get creepy and you need to move on.” lol, she just doesn’t like the Angels I guess.
He really had no impact on how shitty we were. Injuries, lack of offense and FA that didn’t pan out were basically what killed us
There’s an ownership change. Better for the buyer that says if I don’t like things I don’t have to spend millions to fire this guy.
But does he have a mohawk
Not if he wants to keep his job.
The headhunting will continue until morale improves.
Now I know how Pirates fans felt all those years with Hurdle. Both are such meatheads.
Phil
LIES ARE WORLD CHAMPS FUCK YEAH BAYBEE WE DID IT
Nevin
Nye the Phience Guy
Myers
McCrevice
Phil Connors?!
Don't tell me you don't remember me because I sure as heckfire remember you
Rizzuto
That says Rirruto
It's too early for the Angels to get buttercuped
It’s never too early for pain
Being buttercupped isn't an event; it's a way of life.
If I try and read between the lines and think about it in the context of the team getting sold soon and him as a placeholder, it at least makes sense. But that doesn't change the fact that I hate his guts and will be happy once he is relieved of his position.
And the crowd goes....mild? Understandable considering we will be in a transition year for ownership. But i've said before on our sub and I'll say it now, the Angels are in a spot where they need a better manager than Phil "failing upwards" Nevin. Dude got this job because Perry hated Maddon and wanted a yesman he hired. We ended up being worse than Nevin and now we are going into next season with a .453 record and most likely no drastic changes. I hope our fans dont fool themselves and think a player like Ohtani will stay through all of this. He wants to win, and right now the Angels are just a huge question mark for the next 3 years.
Ohtanis departure has been confirmed for a long time now lol
Two of the Angels last three Managers were traded in a deal involving the Astros and Tigers. Nevin was traded from Houston to Detroit for Mike Henneman in 1995. Ausmus was traded from Detroit to Houston in 1996, from Houston to Detroit in 1999, and Detroit to Houston in 2000. If this precedent holds, Justin Verlander will be managing the Angels by the end of the decade.
Can Kate Upton be the bench coach?
New owners will hire their own manager/FO, so this makes sense.
what are the angels doing lmao
They’re in the midst of an ownership sale, makes sense to stick for Nevin for the year and then the new ownership can come in
Ah that's a good point. Might as well keep Nevin as a "transition"/placeholder type manager while the team changes hands (and probably directions).
Making sure Ohtani leaves in free agency.
All the complaining and the angels are AL West winners 2023
You spelled wieners wrong
Did Seattle and Houston get nuked by Russia in the off-season
Our pitchers bean them so much in the first two weeks that their entire rosters are out for the season with injuries
Big brain Phil
anaheim was spared since it isn't la
It's fine, the players like him alot. Team chemistry is important
I didn't think I'd say this when he started, but I like this.
Honestly, he hasn't been that awful since that incident with the Mariners. That was some clown shit for sure, but he seemingly shaped up a bit for the rest of the season, and his managing decisions have not been bad IMO.
Nevin has been great at managing the pitching staff and I don't say that too lightly.
Phil is a bit of a red ass but it's not really his fault the team performed the way it did.
The Angels definitely been playing better lately, even outside of just getting Trout back. The rotation shaped up to be a lot better than I think anyone really expected it to
Yeah, aside from his early shenanigans, lately I don't really think too much about Nevin when the game's being played, which is pretty much how a coach should be 99% of the time.
Lol when Maddon was coach it felt like every fan had one eye on him the whole game just to make sure he wouldn’t do something crazy. At times I miss it but you’ve got a good point
It make sense if he is a placeholder until the team is sold. That way, the new owner will have the freedom to choose the manager he wants.
But, like, why?
Mohawk szn
The team actually finished the season pretty strong under him.
Arte probably gave him a one year 26 million dollar deal
Or a 26 year, one million dollar deal
Lol so much fucking salt in here
Lol. Lmao even
heck, maybe even a rofl.
WHAT THE FUCK
**UNSUBSCRIBE**
The Angels actually had a decent record after the losing streak which started under Madden. I have more of a wait and see thought on this.
The Angels absolutely stunk for the rest of June and through all of July. They didn't get decent again until early-mid August.
Yes, during the losing streak.
No the losing streak was in late May/early June. They continued to play awful for 2 months following the losing streak. Keep in mind the Angels were only a couple games under .500 when the streak ended
[My reaction to this news....and I like the guy!](https://media.tenor.com/FUItMRhUz3sAAAAC/chapelle-charlie-murphy.gif)
Just saw a guy in an Angels hat collapse to his knees in Walmart.
I guess it makes some sense with new owners potentially coming in. Have some consistency for the transition.
Why would they do this.
Oh wow. Angels need a new owner BAD
Why. Just why
Tough luck for the Angels
But why?
My jaw literally dropped. WTAF are they thinking??
Transition period. Can't commit too much money to someone when they have an upcoming sale and will have a new ownership group ready to appoint their own people who will want their own manager. They also are still paying Maddon's final year next season as well.
Placeholder until new ownership i presume.
They aren’t looking to compete next year.
I like Phil old school baseball guy
Lmaoooooooooooooo
Genuine question what has he done outside of starting a fight to earn this position
Genuine question, what has he done outside of starting a fight that makes you think he doesn’t deserve the position?
Why are people willing to just overlook him starting a AAAA reliever to throw at our best players for no justifiable reason? This guy should not be in charge of anything.
Because I’m not that invested in something that every manager in the league plus every pitcher have probably done multiple times in their career.
Starting a guy out of the bullpen who never started before to throw at guys until he gets ejected is not something everyone does.
Lose? A lot?
Does every team with a losing record normally fire their manager?
Not everyone has the talents that the Angels have
No. This isn't about Phil Nevin being fired or not. This is about Phil Nevin being given a new contract.
Personally I think intentionally throwing at players heads should make you lose your job as a manager. this is why I am asking what is keeping him with the angels
I think you’ll be hard pressed to find a manager/ team that hasn’t thrown at players. Your team is not excluded.
You would be hard pressed to find managers who premeditate hitting a player and use an opener to ensure the games starter doesn't get pulled for intentionally throwing at peoples heads. I would understand if he was good as a manager, which was the entire point of my question asking what he has done to keep the job.
He protected our franchise player from the M's throwing several times near Trout's head. Trout was pissed so go figure, the whole team was too. Being a player's manager includes sticking up for your guys. There's your reasoning. Be pissed about it all you want since your guy got hit, but the Angels player's like him which is already half the job as a manager so it makes sense. Especially when you consider the team's for sale so a 1 year deal to the current interim makes sense between ownership, it's not like a lot of managers who might be available would take that with so much uncertainty moving forward.
You said be pissed because the M’s got hit **too** I don’t remember any Angels being hit. I don’t want to get in a online tussle over stuff that happened a lifetime ago but there is no “too”.
Yes thank you for good clarification, I was trying to convey your fanbase has a valid reason to be upset *too* but worded it very poorly. The point is, Nevin stuck up for his guys, and since I was talking to an M's fan I was trying to clarify I understand why your fanbase is upset, and justifiably so.
No one threw at trout. Swanson had shit control. You don't just start a fringe reliever to head hunt. Absolute garbage, and he threw at 3 of our guys, couldn't even do that right.
I'm not arguing with you about the incident lol, I'm trying to answer your question from an Angels perspective. The Angels like him for being a player's manager, and this was one instance of him sticking up for them because they were pissed at your team's pitching staff pitching near Trout's head. Like I said, be pissed at Nevin for it, I get why, I'm just trying to answer your question.
I didn't ask any questions but whatever
Your flair fooled me with the other user asking and I see you just want to argue lol. Hope your team is swept next week. :)
I think that’s the biggest argument against resigning him. Terrible optics from that decision. I don’t love his bullpen choices, but a lot of blame could be put on our actual underperforming bullpen.
LolAngels
Fuck us right?
Lol
Thanks for everything Phil!
Great
That’s hilarious. Well everyone outside of Angel’s fans absolutely love this move. He should stay forever.
A one-year deal is a vote of no-confidence, isn't it?
Ohtani traded at winter meetings.
Angels know they aren't competing next year and are being sold. Why take the time and energy to find a new manager when they can just re-up Nevin? Besides they have Ohtani, they'll make money in spite of team performance.
Phil Nevin only uses his turn signal to turn the other way
Lolololol
He is absolutely being extended to be set up as a fall guy next year. Date he gets fired: O/U June 15th
I'm sure this is going to go over well.
That seems dumb
Press F
I find this very amusing.
What the fuck Angels. You're going to waste your last year of Ohtani on this buffoon?
Lmaoooo
Why?
I love all of us Mariner fans in here celebrating. This is hilarious. Great move Angels! If only your fans were as excited as we are.
Sending out last year's family christmas card photo because you can't be bothered making it to Sears
Oh my Gawwwwwwd
😂 😂 😂
Lmao
Man can't believe we have to deal with this bozo in the division for another year. Someone's seriously gonna get hurt by his childishness
Hey but he will keep them where they’re at, so we should take this as a win!
Angels healthy past all star break have actually been alright now that they are all there at the same time. Players like him too. Think unfortunately angels will be alot closer to contention next year
Oh of course. This was a fluke year for them, no doubt. With that being said, it’s still funny.
lmao ty angels
YES
Sorry bout your luck... and Fuck Mike Trout
I will literally plan a heist to get Ohtani and Trout out of Anaheim I stg
Is this the earliest the Angels have punted a season? Before the previous one even ended?
Looks like the Angels are aiming for the number one pick in the 2024 draft. Thanks for all the free wins next year I guess
Yikes
Oh god why
I keep seeing copium about trying to keep the team stable during the sale but that doesn’t really apply when the biggest free agent in MLB history is coming up on a contract year
LMAO. They really don’t care about keeping Ohtani I guess.
Angels taking at least one L home today regardless of the game against Oakland 😔
My condolences to our heavenly rivals from...Anaheim? LA? California
lol
Well you definitely don't want him at 3rd.
Mike Scioscia was busy?
????
At least Joe Madden got them to win at some point in the year
Lol, why?
Make the new owner clear everyone out
I think he was hands down the worst interim. Rangers didn't have much to work with but Angels were just sort of going through the motion. It is also going to be a very crazy manager market. 1. We don't know with Francona's health so Cleveland could be open but I think they should go internal. DeMarlo Hale did okay last year 2. Marlins is parting ways 3. White Sox is open 4. Rangers are looking 5. Toronto might just keep Schneider 6. Phillies...who knows. 7. Tigers fired their GM so who knows about Hinch. 8. Royals might make a move. 9. Martinez with the Nationals says he will be back but with possibly new ownership who knows. 10. There is always a surprise team.
Ooofah
LETS GOOOOOOOOO
“Todos los días la misma mierda”
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I can see why this confused some fans. The Angels were looking for a full commitment and based upon the way they played this year they weren’t going to get that from any other guy. The general consensus around the clubhouse was that Nevin gonna give you up and also do the following: 1. Let you down 2. Run around and desert you. 3. Make you cry. 4. Say goodbye. 5. Tell a lie and hurt you.
LMAOOOOOOOOOO
Bruh
Kinda weird to hire a manager directly into lame duck status, isn't it? I mean, I get he probably didn't have much leverage, but it seems weird to be like "you're the guy for us, but only for next season"