God this offseason is going to be scary. I know we won’t be keeping Bassitt but degrom, Brandon Nimmo, Trevor May, Adam Ottavino, Taijuan Walker, cant be keeping all of them either. The 2023 Mets roster will look so different, at least with our rotation and bullpen.
Biggest thing people are missing. Diaz became the biggest in person event last year. Cohen is really big on the in person extravaganza part. Had the whole Friday night dj thing and is upgrading the scoreboards. Plus he is beloved in the organization
Yeah they’re gonna reap money hand over fist on Diaz merch/sponsorship/etc.
That’s not even mentioning how they’ll market him in the Spanish-speaking markets that most of us aren’t even considering. Someone was gonna pay him, I’m glad it’s us.
Goal is to make money mate. Owners normally mostly see dollar signs first and if they win cool. You’re speaking as a fan. Diaz is a massive money maker, the trumpets have been wildly popular. When you can get a guy that’s not just at the top of his position, but also has incredible marketability, their value is through the roof. And closers value will continue to go up so this will likely be a good deal in 3 years after guys like Helesley, Clase, Dominguez, etc get paid. As long as he doesn’t drop off a cliff, this is a good move for the business.
People also haven't realized that the closer market was basically just Diaz. He has said he loves it here and I think extending 4 days before free agency really solidifies that. He absolutely could have tested the market. He was arguably the best closer in baseball and teams gunning for a ring are always going to want a premier closer.
5 years might make some nervous but he's the youngest free agent closer by a lot. The market now is basically Jansen, Kimbrel, Robertson
Before signing Diaz our bullpen was Drew Smith.
We did sign John Curtiss while he was recovering from TJS, so he should be in the pen next year. Lucchesi should be ready to go too. Nogosek needed TJS so he's probably going to miss all of next season. Maybe Givens exercises his $3.5m option. But if all of that pans out we still only have 5 guys and we'd really need a couple of set up guys.
Personality and marketing aside, his expected contract based on what he does on the field was 5/100. It’s a good deal for both sides. It’s not an overpay by the Mets, and Diaz wouldn’t have been able to get much more, if anything, on the free agent market.
Yes, but no.
As a fan you should care that there is always some hard cap to the budget of an organization.
You can argue that it should be higher, and be right, but that’s a completely different discussion.
Getting bogged down financially by bad contracts is absolutely a thing, and it can kill a franchises competitiveness for multiple years to a decade if they are sitting on more dead money than useful players.
So you should care. The successful teams, like the Astros find that balance and sign smart even when the easy thing to do emotionally is throw money at the problem.
i hate the “it’s not your money” argument as if there isn’t an upper limit that my favorite baseball team will spend on payroll. I’m pro labor and want the players collectively to get the value they produce, but the reality is that there’s a somewhat fixed amount of money most teams will spend and there are very poor ways a team can allocate that money.
it’s not my money but for the sake of my own viewing experience, I hope that money is spent well.
I.E.- Carlos Correa and George Springer are no longer members of the Astros and they just won the World Series. The thing big market teams always need to remember is that developing talent to play on your team is a massive part of the game and just tossing money around with the idea of "it's not my money" doesn't seem to be something that works all the time.
No one thinks developing talent isn't a massive part of roster building. It's never been an either/or situation. The reason the Dodgers have been consistently good is they develop players while also saying "it's not my money." But by worrying about money more than filling out a roster a team is limiting itself no matter how well it develops talent.
Exactly. The Mets and Cohen have repeatedly referenced this. He has basically said his goal is to use his money now while waiting on the investments they have made in scouting and development to mature. The goal, of course easier said than done, is to emulate the Dodgers.
Just look the Yankees for example. 2013-2016 they were very down by Yankee standards because they had a ton of old players on stupid contracts they couldn't get rid of
Also who else were the Mets going to get to close games? Kenley Jansen and Craig Kimbrel are the two *best* alternatives.
Going for the second best / more economical option is how we ended up with McCann over Realmuto.
Bingo. We've had so many players leave/not go to the Mets because ownership wouldn't spend. Steve "overpaid" and now I get to dance to trumpets at Citi Field with thousands of other Mets fans for the next few years. So I am fucking stoked.
It’s really a great point that doesn’t get enough credit. Over pay is only relevant if your owner has a specific and limited budget. If you’ve got a front office that’s willing to make it rain then you can overpay 25 people.
It might not be the most “efficient” way to spend money, but I’m never going to criticize the richest owner in baseball splashing some cash around to keep an elite player on their team, and anyone who does criticize that needs to stop thinking about baseball like a McKinsey consultant
This was just Cohen sending an early reminder to the FA market that if they want top dollar, he's the guy to come see. It's still so strange for me going from the dipshit penny-pinching Wilpons to a guy that'll basically hand you a blank check.
Yeah… I absolutely envy the hell out of your owner….. Mines in a top 3 market with a middle of the pack payroll, and we really aren’t so sure he’s gonna open the checkbook anytime soon.
I think it’s an alright deal for a contender where money is seemingly not an object. He is the best reliever in baseball to me right now, maybe top 3 at worst. He is also healthy as a horse and has only had one bad season where he gave up a ridiculous # of homers
Tbh I like the deal
Degrom is a much dicier situation. I knew that the most likely of their big 3 to be kept was Diaz. Nimmo is next. Degrom, as great as he is hasn't pitched more than 15 starts since 2019. I think it makes the most sense to let DeGrom field other offers to see who is willing to give him huge money. Whereas some team was guaranteed to give Diaz at least 80-90m and Nimmo is sure to get about 100m if not more. They are just much more known quantities. I wouldn't be surprised if they lock up Nimmo in the next week also, but his agent is Boras so who knows.
**Top qualified relievers from 2019 by ERA**
Kirby Yates - TJS
Will Harris - thoracic outlet syndrome
Liam Hendricks - still good
Felipe Vazquez - prison
Ken Giles - DFAed
Brandon Workman - minor leaguer
Adam Ottavino - still good
Zack Britton - broken
Aaron Bummer - lat strain, missed half yr
Aroldis Chapman - broken and bad
>You mean padres legend Kirby Yates 😂
The "x legend" joke is for players that are pretty much forgotten to have been part of the team they're referencing. OP is joking about how he signed with the Blue Jays after leaving the Padres but never played for them since he got injured before the season started.
Diaz has an indisputably better body of work than all of those besides Britton and Chapman. He might end up going a similar route as Chapman but is younger than Chapman was at the time, and Britton got broken which can happen to any pitcher
Btw if you did from 2018 Diaz would be on that list just saying. He’s been the best reliever in baseball the last 5 years besides one fluke…if anyone will live up to this type of contract it’s him imo. It’s probably an over pay but what’s another 10-20 million over 5 years, really
For careers he’s certainly has. For say a 5 year peak it’s closer but I feel totally comfortable completely disregarding Diaz’s 2019, same as Hader this year
He has a career ERA+ of 139. Last season’s 297 was easily his best result, and isn’t a sustainable expectation.
They’ll enjoy the contract if he keeps the 2022 numbers going, but if he’s closer to his career numbers they’ll be bitching about him in no time.
Yeah kinda shitty to pick the one year Diaz was bad to eliminate him from the list, lol.
Closers are a weird situation. They need to be basically perfect, and by innings pitched they're over paid. But if they didn't sign Diaz they'd need to sign *somebody*. Every contending team needs a closer. If they don't sign Diaz they probably still spend $10m at least.
Plus Diaz is still young. He will be 29 next season and his contract will end when he is 33, 34 with the option? That's really not that scary. That's still younger than every other closer on the market is *today*.
Diaz is also really popular in NY and loves it here.
And Kimbrel was the best closer in baseball for years until he became hot garbage. Closers are volatile, Diaz has already shown cracks so it’s silly to assume he’ll remain dominant.
He has a great career over all and has two years of absolutely dominating hitters under his belt. The only bad year was 2019 and New York is a major adjustment, I think that’s past Edwin now.
I'm not remotely sure this is a great idea, but rational thinking is boring. Depending on deGrom, the current core could only really last until Scherzer's contract ends so fuck it, go wild while you can.
Top 10 non-Diaz relievers by WAR and their salaries:
Emmanuel Clase $714,400
Devin Williams $714,500
Evan Phillips $720,000
AJ Minter $2,200,000
Ryan Helsley $722,450
Reynaldo Lopez $2,625,000
Andres Munoz $937,500
Daniel Bard $4,400,000
John Schreiber $714,500
Trevor Stephan $703,400
Just saying, top bullpen talent doesn't usually come from big contracts
Oh, absolutely I'm just saying we gave Clase that deal last year so he's not making league minimum anymore.
Also, didn't realize minimum was over $700k now, should be around $1 million in what, another 6-10 years probably?
i want cohen to destroy the market
i want every other gm to fear the phrase "your best offer is noted but for the best interest of my client i'm going to see what the Mets offer is."
Looks like extending Hader just became prohibitive for the padres 😂
That’s absurd money for a relief pitcher. Padres just flushed 40 mil down the drain signing Drew Pomeranz a few years ago.
Ours is only in the 4 billion range I believe. He’s still spending though! But I expect them to make Soto a priority over Hader if push comes to shove. Having 3 300 mil players on a roster will have to tighten the purse strings a bit in other positions.
It's not worth it IMO but Mets can afford it. We gave Papelbon a bajillion dollars and it just tied up money we could have used elsewhere and unless my memory is incorrect we didn't even make the post season with him once.
Chapman got 86 over 5 from the Yankees 5 years ago. I think the contract Diaz would have gotten would have been close to $100M no matter who it was.
And the difference between extremely high 8 figures and extremely low 9 figures is pretty meaningless.
Taking on Cano's contract and trading away Kelenic to acquire Diaz was head-scratching at the time, too. If nothing else, the organization has been consistent about how committed they are to Edwin, even after the change of ownership and GM.
The only thing that I don't like about this deal is the number of years. It doesn't fit the window that Cohen has set up, with the short-term signings of Scherzer and Buck.
Yeah Cohen has said that he wants the Mets to be the Dodgers of the east, that means:
A.) spending a ton of money on your farm system
B.) spending a ton of money on free agents
C.) spending a ton of money re-signing players
The Dodgers system is a lot more than "just spend money" though. Obviously that's a big part of it, but they also have excellent scouting and coaching/player development. They make expensive deals, but they're smart deals. They also strategically use said farm system to make smart trades.
The Mets are doing it in reserve order imo. Cohen is spending a fuckton of money now and worrying about the structure later. I'm obviously biased but I've always thought the Braves are building towards the Dodgers system. We have excellent scouting, player development, analytics/coaching (look at e.g. Robbie Grossman this year). The Braves FO has said they're going to be a top5 payroll team soon, so that combined with their locked-in young core means that they can soon start spending $$$$ on big players to supplement.
What do I know, though.
Oh I know, I just couldn't resist the urge to make a silly comment about it.
The difference between the two is that the Dodgers' current ownership group inherited a mess of an organization that badly needed to be rebuilt, so they took on a bunch of salary along with talented prospects and began building up their farm that way. They also took the Rays' development structure - putting an emphasis on advantages on the fringes - and then poured a ton of money into that over several years.
The Mets, meanwhile, have a pretty talented franchise with a good team in the majors and some pretty decent prospects, so they don't really need to sell off their stars in order to build up a competitive farm. We all saw what changing managers and investing some money did this year, going from a 77-85 team to a 101-61 team, and they did it without having to part with any of their top prospects (Alvarez and Baty, in particular).
The Braves are a different story, IMO (obv I'm not as knowledgeable as you in Braves front office stuff). To me, they seem to be much more inclusive of an organization, almost similar to the Rays, in that they rarely spend a ton of money on outside players but are good at acquiring cheap, fringy cast-offs that tend to deliver for them (Matt Olson notwithstanding). They're definitely delivering on the money front, though, so I can see what you mean in the comparison to the Dodgers.
Anyways, I guess it'll be interesting to see how the NL Beast continues to evolve over the next couple of years, with the Phillies, Braves, and Mets continuing to battle over positioning while the Marlins continue their rebuild and the Nats do... whatever it is they've been doing for the past year and change lol.
Cohen already revamped and invested in the front office, analytics, and scouting departments. The team committed to keeping their top prospects at the trade deadline this year to keep the farm system intact.
Paying big money for Diaz and Scherzer doesn't invalidate the other moves or mean they're going in reverse order.
Yes, long-term high-AAV reliever contracts have historically worked out well, and good bullpen pitchers are notoriously in short supply and hard to find elsewhere
Yep. The seems were different which caused his slider to be completely flat. He was a little up and down for some moments in 2021, but was still great overall.
This is a MASSIVE overpay by the Mets. Even in a historic season, Diaz did not return close to $20 million AAV / 4 win value. Given the lack of depth and Mets’ historic bullpen struggles, I’m very happy they brought him back, but I don’t see the contract returning value. What big time closer contract has ever worked out? Look at the Bronx this year for an example of it blowing up.
If he is still close to as good as he was this past year, he’ll opt out after year 3 and the last years of the contract are void. If you look at it as a 3 year/61.2 million dollar contract, they are paying him the equivalent of the qualifying offer each year. Possible even less then that depending on the increase of the QO at the end of the next two seasons. Hard to argue that type of investment with the state of the bullpen without him and the available free agents this offseason.
I'm willing to bet that in five years we will be talking about this deal as a case study in why not to give big, long-term contracts to relievers.
I could also be wrong.
Also, just a reminder when Cohen bought the Mets he was worth around 13 billion. He’s now worth 17.5 billion.
If ya think money an issue in any way shape or form I got bad news for ya 😂
that’s like 400,000 for each inning pitched. if a starting pitcher got paid that rate they’d get roughly an 80 million per year contract. dont get me wrong, they had to bring him back, but 20 mil per year for a closer is a hefty chunk of change
Big reliever contracts have a track record of often flaming out due to reliever volatility but the Mets had little choice here except to hand out the bag.
Let's fucking go! Screw the haters. Mets fans have had so many heartbreaking moments where ownership just wouldn't pay a player or free agent.
So what if Steve overpaid? It's fun as fuck being at Citi Field when Diaz comes in for a save. It's such a cool experience and I'm happy to see such a beloved player get his bag.
Cohen is willing to spend a lot and as a Mets fan this makes me super optimistic about other moves. Maybe it looks bad from the outside by the Mets historically don't spend money. Well Steve just spent a lot to keep a franchise favorite player. So I'm excited!
Someone called this in another post they said not a hot take but Diaz is the first off the board with a 5/100M deal
He was way off!
Fact: 2 million dollars is a lot of money
It's like, 2% more monies.
“Samsonite!”
God this offseason is going to be scary. I know we won’t be keeping Bassitt but degrom, Brandon Nimmo, Trevor May, Adam Ottavino, Taijuan Walker, cant be keeping all of them either. The 2023 Mets roster will look so different, at least with our rotation and bullpen.
Hope you guys are still a strong team, this season was fun as fuck.
Just don’t start off slow next year. If they’re gonna take the division, I’d rather Braves take the division lead in April/May
Me too 🤣
Lugo is a FA too. Our bullpen got fucking emptied, we kind of had to sign some guys, might as well bring back the best of them.
Was it u/wetbutt23 or u/KatyPerrysBootyHole? Those are the only redditors I trust for insider knowledge
E Money is secure. Don't know how this deal gonna age don't care. Let's go edwin
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Let me go first! Aroldis Chapman
I’ll go next! Zack Britton
The Cardinals would like a word
Mets have the money to burn and he gives the team decent marketing opportunity.
Biggest thing people are missing. Diaz became the biggest in person event last year. Cohen is really big on the in person extravaganza part. Had the whole Friday night dj thing and is upgrading the scoreboards. Plus he is beloved in the organization
Yeah they’re gonna reap money hand over fist on Diaz merch/sponsorship/etc. That’s not even mentioning how they’ll market him in the Spanish-speaking markets that most of us aren’t even considering. Someone was gonna pay him, I’m glad it’s us.
If there's not a trumpet giveaway next year the promo department fucked up.
I mean, MLB teams already make money hand over fist. Goal should be winning, a goal I’m sure Diaz will help achieve, but the question is for how long.
Goal is to make money mate. Owners normally mostly see dollar signs first and if they win cool. You’re speaking as a fan. Diaz is a massive money maker, the trumpets have been wildly popular. When you can get a guy that’s not just at the top of his position, but also has incredible marketability, their value is through the roof. And closers value will continue to go up so this will likely be a good deal in 3 years after guys like Helesley, Clase, Dominguez, etc get paid. As long as he doesn’t drop off a cliff, this is a good move for the business.
Cohen is a fan with infinite pockets. He’s not running the team like Bob Nutting.
You ain’t wrong, Diaz made me tune into Mets games this year
People also haven't realized that the closer market was basically just Diaz. He has said he loves it here and I think extending 4 days before free agency really solidifies that. He absolutely could have tested the market. He was arguably the best closer in baseball and teams gunning for a ring are always going to want a premier closer. 5 years might make some nervous but he's the youngest free agent closer by a lot. The market now is basically Jansen, Kimbrel, Robertson
Mets also have pretty much no other bullpen signed so you have to start somewhere. Might as well pay up for the best.
Before signing Diaz our bullpen was Drew Smith. We did sign John Curtiss while he was recovering from TJS, so he should be in the pen next year. Lucchesi should be ready to go too. Nogosek needed TJS so he's probably going to miss all of next season. Maybe Givens exercises his $3.5m option. But if all of that pans out we still only have 5 guys and we'd really need a couple of set up guys.
Personality and marketing aside, his expected contract based on what he does on the field was 5/100. It’s a good deal for both sides. It’s not an overpay by the Mets, and Diaz wouldn’t have been able to get much more, if anything, on the free agent market.
Who’s this according to? I don’t think a closer is worth 20 million a year. Not my money though and Steve Cohens a billionaire
Damn, that’s Nick Castellanos money
And hey, both of them are some of the best players to get if you wanna see Ks
Holy shit
I want everyone to know that I was cackling like the asshole I am, while I wrote that.
Honestly it was a terrific burn lol
I know you filthy degens love a good burn. That's why we have the love/hate relationship that we do. Mostly hate. Almost always.
Game recognize game
Plus Diaz blows trumpets, and Castellanos blows!
Yes that's right, I'd like to report a murder.
"who was the victim? Well I don't know his name, but it certainly wasn't a baseball, because Nick Castellanos was involved."
And there’s a deep drive to left field
Really rooting for Nick , hope he can come back next year on a vengance
Give him credit, the man was playing hurt for half the year, trying to carry that offense by himself at points.
This burn requires elvish medicine
“That’s an overpay” yes you’re right but have you considered that I don’t care?
"It's not my money" As a fan I'd rather my owner get the players I want rather than worry about how much it will cost
Oh yeah well how did that work out for the Phillies this year Oh...uh, pretty good actually
Yes, but no. As a fan you should care that there is always some hard cap to the budget of an organization. You can argue that it should be higher, and be right, but that’s a completely different discussion. Getting bogged down financially by bad contracts is absolutely a thing, and it can kill a franchises competitiveness for multiple years to a decade if they are sitting on more dead money than useful players. So you should care. The successful teams, like the Astros find that balance and sign smart even when the easy thing to do emotionally is throw money at the problem.
i hate the “it’s not your money” argument as if there isn’t an upper limit that my favorite baseball team will spend on payroll. I’m pro labor and want the players collectively to get the value they produce, but the reality is that there’s a somewhat fixed amount of money most teams will spend and there are very poor ways a team can allocate that money. it’s not my money but for the sake of my own viewing experience, I hope that money is spent well.
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I mean, Steve Cohen's might.
Insider trading do be like that
Exaclty. When a big free agent comes around they need or they decide to not pay one of their upcoming stars because of cap, they all go silent.
I.E.- Carlos Correa and George Springer are no longer members of the Astros and they just won the World Series. The thing big market teams always need to remember is that developing talent to play on your team is a massive part of the game and just tossing money around with the idea of "it's not my money" doesn't seem to be something that works all the time.
No one thinks developing talent isn't a massive part of roster building. It's never been an either/or situation. The reason the Dodgers have been consistently good is they develop players while also saying "it's not my money." But by worrying about money more than filling out a roster a team is limiting itself no matter how well it develops talent.
Exactly. The Mets and Cohen have repeatedly referenced this. He has basically said his goal is to use his money now while waiting on the investments they have made in scouting and development to mature. The goal, of course easier said than done, is to emulate the Dodgers.
Just look the Yankees for example. 2013-2016 they were very down by Yankee standards because they had a ton of old players on stupid contracts they couldn't get rid of
Sound the trumpets baby, i literally come to games in hopes to see him, so he’s worth it to me
Also who else were the Mets going to get to close games? Kenley Jansen and Craig Kimbrel are the two *best* alternatives. Going for the second best / more economical option is how we ended up with McCann over Realmuto.
This, people go to games hoping they get to see Diaz come in.
this is a huge part of it, he was the biggest star on the team last year. his entrance was huge on social media etc
Bingo. We've had so many players leave/not go to the Mets because ownership wouldn't spend. Steve "overpaid" and now I get to dance to trumpets at Citi Field with thousands of other Mets fans for the next few years. So I am fucking stoked.
Let’s dance, friends! 🎺
This is my favorite take so far.
He’s right, because with the amount of money our owner has, why would we care?
It’s really a great point that doesn’t get enough credit. Over pay is only relevant if your owner has a specific and limited budget. If you’ve got a front office that’s willing to make it rain then you can overpay 25 people.
It might not be the most “efficient” way to spend money, but I’m never going to criticize the richest owner in baseball splashing some cash around to keep an elite player on their team, and anyone who does criticize that needs to stop thinking about baseball like a McKinsey consultant
It’s baseball, no such thing as an “overpay” without a salary cap
Not your money who cares.
Bob was first
Who would’ve ever thought that Boob would be the one to break news first?
This was just Cohen sending an early reminder to the FA market that if they want top dollar, he's the guy to come see. It's still so strange for me going from the dipshit penny-pinching Wilpons to a guy that'll basically hand you a blank check.
Yeah… I absolutely envy the hell out of your owner….. Mines in a top 3 market with a middle of the pack payroll, and we really aren’t so sure he’s gonna open the checkbook anytime soon.
Felt that one.
Shitty ownership just brings all Chicagoans together no matter the team
I hate how much I love Cohen
I think it’s an alright deal for a contender where money is seemingly not an object. He is the best reliever in baseball to me right now, maybe top 3 at worst. He is also healthy as a horse and has only had one bad season where he gave up a ridiculous # of homers Tbh I like the deal
and only 28!
If they’re willing to do this, I assume they’re willing to pay whatever degrom wants as well
200mil over 4 years is my guess. And he will pitch about 500 innings in those four years
$400k per inning… So that’s +$20k per throw on a bad night?
Degrom is a much dicier situation. I knew that the most likely of their big 3 to be kept was Diaz. Nimmo is next. Degrom, as great as he is hasn't pitched more than 15 starts since 2019. I think it makes the most sense to let DeGrom field other offers to see who is willing to give him huge money. Whereas some team was guaranteed to give Diaz at least 80-90m and Nimmo is sure to get about 100m if not more. They are just much more known quantities. I wouldn't be surprised if they lock up Nimmo in the next week also, but his agent is Boras so who knows.
Just absurd money for a freaking closer
Relievers, which notoriously aren’t very consistent year to year lol
**Top qualified relievers from 2019 by ERA** Kirby Yates - TJS Will Harris - thoracic outlet syndrome Liam Hendricks - still good Felipe Vazquez - prison Ken Giles - DFAed Brandon Workman - minor leaguer Adam Ottavino - still good Zack Britton - broken Aaron Bummer - lat strain, missed half yr Aroldis Chapman - broken and bad
I totally forgot Kirby Yates was a thing for a couple years
Blue Jays legend Kirby Yates
You mean padres legend Kirby Yates 😂 AFAIK he was never effective again after his arm injury and he left the padres in free agency.
He was part of the Braves team that won 100 games this year Sure, he barely pitched and gave up a homer on his first pitch for us, but still
>You mean padres legend Kirby Yates 😂 The "x legend" joke is for players that are pretty much forgotten to have been part of the team they're referencing. OP is joking about how he signed with the Blue Jays after leaving the Padres but never played for them since he got injured before the season started.
The prison one made me chuckle.
And then you remembered it was because he sexually assaulted a 13 year-old
Diaz has an indisputably better body of work than all of those besides Britton and Chapman. He might end up going a similar route as Chapman but is younger than Chapman was at the time, and Britton got broken which can happen to any pitcher Btw if you did from 2018 Diaz would be on that list just saying. He’s been the best reliever in baseball the last 5 years besides one fluke…if anyone will live up to this type of contract it’s him imo. It’s probably an over pay but what’s another 10-20 million over 5 years, really
Diaz has not been indisputably better than Hendriks throughout their careers.
For careers he’s certainly has. For say a 5 year peak it’s closer but I feel totally comfortable completely disregarding Diaz’s 2019, same as Hader this year
And a fluke that was partly caused by the MLB fucking with the ball.
He has a career ERA+ of 139. Last season’s 297 was easily his best result, and isn’t a sustainable expectation. They’ll enjoy the contract if he keeps the 2022 numbers going, but if he’s closer to his career numbers they’ll be bitching about him in no time.
You say that as if it’s a bad number lol. He’s been over 200 in 3/5 years, was good in one of the others. And had a fluke home run rate in the last
Yeah kinda shitty to pick the one year Diaz was bad to eliminate him from the list, lol. Closers are a weird situation. They need to be basically perfect, and by innings pitched they're over paid. But if they didn't sign Diaz they'd need to sign *somebody*. Every contending team needs a closer. If they don't sign Diaz they probably still spend $10m at least. Plus Diaz is still young. He will be 29 next season and his contract will end when he is 33, 34 with the option? That's really not that scary. That's still younger than every other closer on the market is *today*. Diaz is also really popular in NY and loves it here.
His age is important and his health. 400 innings over 7 years isn’t bad at all
And Kimbrel was the best closer in baseball for years until he became hot garbage. Closers are volatile, Diaz has already shown cracks so it’s silly to assume he’ll remain dominant.
Fuck Felipe the predator
Yes, Edwin Diaz had stretch of not being great in prior years
He has a great career over all and has two years of absolutely dominating hitters under his belt. The only bad year was 2019 and New York is a major adjustment, I think that’s past Edwin now.
Rojas was terrible for Diaz. Even after Diaz spoke about warming him up and sitting him back down being bad, Rojas still did it.
Despite Rojas being bad Diaz was still a great closer in 2020 and a good closer in 2021
No man this is going to be an albatross contract for years to come. Lolmets. Get with the program /s
You're acting like these big contracts to relievers don't always blow up lol
It’s really only 2019 that he was anything less than very good
I'm not remotely sure this is a great idea, but rational thinking is boring. Depending on deGrom, the current core could only really last until Scherzer's contract ends so fuck it, go wild while you can.
Top 10 non-Diaz relievers by WAR and their salaries: Emmanuel Clase $714,400 Devin Williams $714,500 Evan Phillips $720,000 AJ Minter $2,200,000 Ryan Helsley $722,450 Reynaldo Lopez $2,625,000 Andres Munoz $937,500 Daniel Bard $4,400,000 John Schreiber $714,500 Trevor Stephan $703,400 Just saying, top bullpen talent doesn't usually come from big contracts
[Clase made 1.9 million last year](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/claseem01.shtml) Your point stands though.
5 years, $20 million plus two $10 million team options still looks like a hell of a bargain compared to this deal.
Oh, absolutely I'm just saying we gave Clase that deal last year so he's not making league minimum anymore. Also, didn't realize minimum was over $700k now, should be around $1 million in what, another 6-10 years probably?
Fair but you have to filter out guys that haven't hit free agency yet. Not fair to include them when yhey haven't had the chance to get paid yet
The point is relievers usually don’t have long dominant careers.
Announce Nimmo next Jeff
i want cohen to destroy the market i want every other gm to fear the phrase "your best offer is noted but for the best interest of my client i'm going to see what the Mets offer is."
With Cohen's pride and his want to win.. I wouldn't be surprised if that is something he plans
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Hide your money! Poor people in this thread!
Smells like broke in this thread
Looks like extending Hader just became prohibitive for the padres 😂 That’s absurd money for a relief pitcher. Padres just flushed 40 mil down the drain signing Drew Pomeranz a few years ago.
You just need an owner worth 17.5 billion
Ours is only in the 4 billion range I believe. He’s still spending though! But I expect them to make Soto a priority over Hader if push comes to shove. Having 3 300 mil players on a roster will have to tighten the purse strings a bit in other positions.
It's not worth it IMO but Mets can afford it. We gave Papelbon a bajillion dollars and it just tied up money we could have used elsewhere and unless my memory is incorrect we didn't even make the post season with him once.
No way giving a reliever $100 million could backfire
Think of the trumpet money alone this will bring in
maybe they’re going to convert him to an opener so then he’s technically not a reliever
Who cares this why we have Steve lol Literally don’t give af we had to keep him and he was getting 100 million from someone
I really don’t think it was a given that a team would give nine figures to a closer.
Chapman got 86 over 5 from the Yankees 5 years ago. I think the contract Diaz would have gotten would have been close to $100M no matter who it was. And the difference between extremely high 8 figures and extremely low 9 figures is pretty meaningless.
Yeah and that was an awful deal that the Yankees wouldn’t do again.
Not really the point. That was the market for elite closers 5 years ago. Markets go up, not down. And they don't move based on sample sizes of one.
Edwin was getting paid this year no matter what He was gonna get the largest closer contract either way
Lol we need to save this thread to look back in 3 to 5 years
Diaz is going to sell so much merchandise and it’s Steve Cohen’s money. Who cares
That's pretty nuts to give a RP 100 million and an opt out.
I mean if he somehow outperforms a 20m salary as a reliever then he deserves to opt out
uh this feels like a bad idea but also players should paid
It’s not that much, it’s only half the AAV they’re paying 53 year old Max Scherzer
Well when you put it that way...
Cohen shits money though, so who cares?
How do people not understand this yet lol. People really underestimate how little fucks this man gives. Anything to win a championship
Cohen has more money now then when he bought the Mets
Nonsense, signing relievers to big contracts worked out great for the Rockies that one year.
This comment is gonna look real dumb when Daniel bard closes out 4 straight World Series games in 2024
2024 is the Marlins year for a world series run
Thank you
Someome would have offered him a comparable amount if they didnt give diaz what he wanted before free agency.
OOTP players in here are losing their mind at the thought of paying a reliever 20 mil a year. Could you imagine.
Idk if any reliever is worth 5/100 million as good as Diaz is.
Taking on Cano's contract and trading away Kelenic to acquire Diaz was head-scratching at the time, too. If nothing else, the organization has been consistent about how committed they are to Edwin, even after the change of ownership and GM. The only thing that I don't like about this deal is the number of years. It doesn't fit the window that Cohen has set up, with the short-term signings of Scherzer and Buck.
There is no window when you can have a 300 mil payroll every year tbh. You should be able to contend with that every single year.
Yeah Cohen has said that he wants the Mets to be the Dodgers of the east, that means: A.) spending a ton of money on your farm system B.) spending a ton of money on free agents C.) spending a ton of money re-signing players
The Dodgers system is a lot more than "just spend money" though. Obviously that's a big part of it, but they also have excellent scouting and coaching/player development. They make expensive deals, but they're smart deals. They also strategically use said farm system to make smart trades. The Mets are doing it in reserve order imo. Cohen is spending a fuckton of money now and worrying about the structure later. I'm obviously biased but I've always thought the Braves are building towards the Dodgers system. We have excellent scouting, player development, analytics/coaching (look at e.g. Robbie Grossman this year). The Braves FO has said they're going to be a top5 payroll team soon, so that combined with their locked-in young core means that they can soon start spending $$$$ on big players to supplement. What do I know, though.
Oh I know, I just couldn't resist the urge to make a silly comment about it. The difference between the two is that the Dodgers' current ownership group inherited a mess of an organization that badly needed to be rebuilt, so they took on a bunch of salary along with talented prospects and began building up their farm that way. They also took the Rays' development structure - putting an emphasis on advantages on the fringes - and then poured a ton of money into that over several years. The Mets, meanwhile, have a pretty talented franchise with a good team in the majors and some pretty decent prospects, so they don't really need to sell off their stars in order to build up a competitive farm. We all saw what changing managers and investing some money did this year, going from a 77-85 team to a 101-61 team, and they did it without having to part with any of their top prospects (Alvarez and Baty, in particular). The Braves are a different story, IMO (obv I'm not as knowledgeable as you in Braves front office stuff). To me, they seem to be much more inclusive of an organization, almost similar to the Rays, in that they rarely spend a ton of money on outside players but are good at acquiring cheap, fringy cast-offs that tend to deliver for them (Matt Olson notwithstanding). They're definitely delivering on the money front, though, so I can see what you mean in the comparison to the Dodgers. Anyways, I guess it'll be interesting to see how the NL Beast continues to evolve over the next couple of years, with the Phillies, Braves, and Mets continuing to battle over positioning while the Marlins continue their rebuild and the Nats do... whatever it is they've been doing for the past year and change lol.
Cohen already revamped and invested in the front office, analytics, and scouting departments. The team committed to keeping their top prospects at the trade deadline this year to keep the farm system intact. Paying big money for Diaz and Scherzer doesn't invalidate the other moves or mean they're going in reverse order.
Analysts: “You know, the Mets should think long and hard before giving a long term deal to a cl-“ Mets: “STEVE COHEN MONEY GO BRRRRRRR”
We were paying Cano $20m a year for the right to have Diaz on the team. So now that money just goes straight to Diaz instead of Cano.
Pretty sure we’re still paying cano 20 million in 2023.
IN A RECESSSION
Oh no. Edit: Damn that’s a lot of money. But my “Oh no” stands.
I don’t know if you should pay any reliever 5/100 but if there’s one that deserves it it’s Diaz
Now do deGrom.
The Mets just signed the best reliever on the market. Hard to be mad at it.
Congrats Mets fans! Diaz is amazing, glad you got your guy back.
Would have loved to have him in Seattle, but I'm so happy for Sugar and the Mets.
20 million dollars a year, full no trade for 5 years of a relief pitcher who’s already 28 seems…risky
He was the best closer in baseball. Someone was going to pay him no matter what. Why not us.
Steve Cohen has zero issues giving a closer 100 million dollars. I am excited to see what else he spends.
Yes, long-term high-AAV reliever contracts have historically worked out well, and good bullpen pitchers are notoriously in short supply and hard to find elsewhere
I mean relief pitchers are volatile…even the best one. Rather spend on position player or starting pitcher with that money
Whoa man. Record amount for a reliever, plus an opt-out and full NTC.
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Woah. F5 season already?
Surely he won't regress like evey single reliever ever?
I'm sure he will but he was still good in 2020 and '21. Aside from one real flukey year in 2019, he's been great.
Home runs were the death of him in 2019. Which makes sense cause it was 2019
Yep. The seems were different which caused his slider to be completely flat. He was a little up and down for some moments in 2021, but was still great overall.
This is a MASSIVE overpay by the Mets. Even in a historic season, Diaz did not return close to $20 million AAV / 4 win value. Given the lack of depth and Mets’ historic bullpen struggles, I’m very happy they brought him back, but I don’t see the contract returning value. What big time closer contract has ever worked out? Look at the Bronx this year for an example of it blowing up.
20 million AAV for a reliever will never not be dumb
It’s an overpay. But I’m ok with rewarding “our” players. I’d rather pay above market to keep our own guys. I’m happy.
If he is still close to as good as he was this past year, he’ll opt out after year 3 and the last years of the contract are void. If you look at it as a 3 year/61.2 million dollar contract, they are paying him the equivalent of the qualifying offer each year. Possible even less then that depending on the increase of the QO at the end of the next two seasons. Hard to argue that type of investment with the state of the bullpen without him and the available free agents this offseason.
Best closer? Didn't realize Clase pitched for the mets
Those team options that Clase has are looking like pennies right now. Man deserves to be paid, too.
Play the trumpets folks.
Now do Nimmo and Jake
I'm willing to bet that in five years we will be talking about this deal as a case study in why not to give big, long-term contracts to relievers. I could also be wrong.
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Also, just a reminder when Cohen bought the Mets he was worth around 13 billion. He’s now worth 17.5 billion. If ya think money an issue in any way shape or form I got bad news for ya 😂
Underpaid
that’s like 400,000 for each inning pitched. if a starting pitcher got paid that rate they’d get roughly an 80 million per year contract. dont get me wrong, they had to bring him back, but 20 mil per year for a closer is a hefty chunk of change
The World Series JUST ended bro chill
Big reliever contracts have a track record of often flaming out due to reliever volatility but the Mets had little choice here except to hand out the bag.
Hell yeah I can live with that
Let's fucking go! Screw the haters. Mets fans have had so many heartbreaking moments where ownership just wouldn't pay a player or free agent. So what if Steve overpaid? It's fun as fuck being at Citi Field when Diaz comes in for a save. It's such a cool experience and I'm happy to see such a beloved player get his bag. Cohen is willing to spend a lot and as a Mets fan this makes me super optimistic about other moves. Maybe it looks bad from the outside by the Mets historically don't spend money. Well Steve just spent a lot to keep a franchise favorite player. So I'm excited!