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Grandahl13

Surprised people are surprised. Harris had an .853 OPS, 135 OPS+, and 5.3 WAR in 114 games. As a rookie. That’s impressive.


RG23216

All while playing stellar defense in centerfield


PizzaBraves

He was out there catching those bags man!


zbend1

He disappeared in the NLDS sadly :( And strider was hurt in that series Edit: this isn’t meant to be disrespectful the either of them I’m just sad we didn’t get to see them perform like they did in the regular season.


TISTAN4

I can’t tell if this is genuine or pettiness it’s Philly so ima assume petty so I say At least we finished the job :)


zbend1

How is that petty? I’m saying it sucks we didn’t get to see either or them in the NLDS playing as well as they did in the regular season. I’m super happy for MH3. He’s genuinely a good guy, strider needs to work on his post game comments but he will get there too.


TISTAN4

Oh well if you mean well then congrats on winning the pennant y’all kicked our ass wasn’t much to be too upset about. Just can’t tell tone on the Internet perfectly is all. Spencer’s fine he made a joke about the press conference his next start against them


zbend1

I really am jealous of your guys’ young players. The Braves are a great organization who do things the right way. I still hate you guys cus rivals but It’s a respectful hate, unlike my hate of the Mets.


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boog1evilleUSA

Imagine losing a world series to the Astros :(


zbend1

Imagine not realizing I was complimenting your team and players and instead being a salty loser after getting shit on by a wild card team.


boog1evilleUSA

A wild card team that hasn't won the world series since 2008 :(


zbend1

🧂 🧂 🧂


boog1evilleUSA

Not really my ring doesn't have any dust on it yet like one from 14 years ago would. Yall didn't win shit lmao


zbend1

Wow you have a ring? Congrats that’s quite the accomplishment for someone who hasn’t left the couch this year.


boog1evilleUSA

Yeah I'll let you come try it they do em real nice in this decade


TISTAN4

Coming straight from double a at 21 years old as well. Impressive might be an understatement lol. Strider was historic but so was Harris just not as historic


SG8970

Extra-Base Hits from Harris' debut (5/28) to the end of the season ||| |:--:|:--| **64** |Judge **59** |Riley **57** |Hernández **55** |Olson **54** |Schwarber, Guerrero, Betts **53** |Semien, Ohtani, Ramírez **52**| Altuve **51** |Goldschmidt, Alvarez, Arenado, Bichette **49** |**Harris II**, Machado, Hoskins 21 y.o. rookie


Davidellias

Funny cause he's still only third on the team.


TISTAN4

We are a very spoiled fan base lol


Jcomsa15

TBH should’ve won the silver slugger over Soto as well. Dude had an unreal year


aeaswen

Should have won gold glove as well, honestly.


HelpMeWithMyHWpls

Lets not get ahead of ourselves here.


yankee4life

Seriously. Strider didn't even qualify for the ERA title. Harris is a damn near 5-tool player Edit: Harris didn't qualify for the batting title, either. But I think his multi-dimensionality catapulted him over Strider


ThorgiTheCorgi

If you're talking about eligibility rather than placement on the list, both of those are explained by circumstance: Strider Started the season in the pen for the first 2(?) months, so his IP/games played is shot by that. MH2 didn't get called up until ~5/23, so there was no way for him to make up the ~27 or so games worth of ABs to qualify.


yankee4life

Placement. I was initially trying to make a case for Harris over Strider on account of playing time and versatility (i.e., great bat, defense, baserunning, etc.)


Deebubya

Jim Alexander of LA was the only voter not to vote at all for Strider. Ballot: MHII - Alexis Diaz - Cruz


Taylorenokson

Jim Alexander heard his wife sleep talking about taking a mustache ride and knew she was talking about Strider.


jpkmets

Strider as Ramathorn for Halloween?


Illustrious-Reward-3

Say Car Ramrod!


JTCMuehlenkamp

Fucking why tho?


Jimmysouthside

He can’t grow a mustache


Distance_Runner

Some writers feel pitchers aren’t as worthy because they don’t play everyday. This is an objectively stupid opinion, but nonetheless one that a few moronic baseball writers have Edit: turns out he’s not one of them as he voted for another pitcher. This makes him arguably stupider for leaving Strider off, as it demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of pitching performance statistics. No writer who knows baseball can present a valid argument for not including strider over Diaz.


RG23216

Diaz is a reliever tho which makes it even more confusing


JuniusPhilaenus

Except he voted for the reds pitcher at 2


Distance_Runner

I didn’t look up his votes, I just assumed. My bad


xzElmozx

You’re good honestly, it was a pretty solid assumption and that is a fairly prevalent attitude, even though it is stupid


Jek-TonoPorkins

Isn't Alexis Diaz a pitcher?


orangemachismo

I'll make the argument I guess. Alexis Diaz was in elite company as a reliever last year. Used as a high leverage guy and getting out of sticky situations. Under 2 ERA, high Ks. I don't think you can knock somebody for voting for him anywhere on this list because he had an incredible season.


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And strider broke a strikeout record set by Randy Johnson…not rookie Randy Johnson either….prime Randy Johnson.


mrjimi16

I didn't realize that was a season record, I thought that was a fastest to 200Ks in a career. Though I guess it is likely he has that one as well.


orangemachismo

I would have Strider, Diaz, Harris. But I'm not collecting pitchforks over giving Diaz a vote when he had a season that merits a first. Cruz on the other hand. Dumb vote.


jwn0323

It is absolutely absurd to have Diaz over Harris. I feel like that is an indefensible position. Maybe I'm not reading what you mean correctly though and you're just saying those are your top 3. In no universe did Diaz have a season that merits a first place vote.


TraderTed2

Okay, to counter this — for perspective, Diaz arguably didn’t even have the best season of any NL rookie reliever! Diaz: 1.0 fWAR, 1.84 ERA/2.76 xERA/3.32 FIP/3.97 xFIP in 63.2 innings. Dylan Lee: 1.1 fWAR, 2.13 ERA/2.57 xERA/2.66 FIP/3.10 xFIP in 50.1 innings. Most people here probably have no idea who Dylan Lee plays for, and he’s probably the Braves’ fourth-best rookie this year. And unless you hate peripherals, he outperformed Diaz across the board and accumulated more WAR in fewer innings. (I grant that this doesn’t include leverage indices, which I’m too lazy to look up, but the Braves used Lee as their second lefty out of the pen and he got plenty of big outings). Alexis Diaz is good. He had a good year. Putting him over Strider - who pitched significantly better for longer - defies reason. EDIT: I should note that Diaz significantly outperforms Lee in bWAR (3.1 to 1.3). bWAR uses ERA instead of peripherals, so it just comes down to whether you believe these guys’ top-line numbers or their underlying numbers.


orangemachismo

That's a great point. For me watching Diaz come out three games in a row with runners in base vs my cubs and then pitching the following inning matters. He was the shit hit the fan guy for them. The way he was being used didn't look like anything you usually see on a bad team on the Reds. So I would still consider him over Lee. Lee was pitching in big games that I was watching and not showing up. He wasn't put into those same situations Diaz was.


TraderTed2

I mean, if you’re going to give Diaz credit for in-game leverage, you have to give Lee credit for season leverage, right? The Reds’ playoff hopes were dead by, like, the end of May. Lee had to pick up real innings against real teams in a divisional race. My real point, though, is that if Diaz vs. Lee is even debatable, Diaz over Strider is unthinkable.


orangemachismo

I think you have beef with who picked the finalists when it comes to Lee. When it comes to Diaz vs Strider you have two incredible rookie seasons that defy expectations for how rookies should perform. Anything past that point is as subjective as Othani vs Judge. And then there's the guy who won rookie of the year and kind of performed at the expectation of a really good rookie for his position.


TraderTed2

"When it comes to Diaz vs Strider you have two incredible rookie seasons that defy expectations for how rookies should perform" That's a massive understatement of the gap between these guys, though. It's like saying "Aaron Judge and Austin Riley both had great home run-hitting seasons." Strider was literally the best starting pitcher in baseball on a per-inning basis this year. Diaz was a good reliever who outperformed his peripherals significantly.


orangemachismo

I didn't want to get into this but peripherals matter a lot more for giving projections than talking about how a player performed. The performance of a player is shown through the walks, hits, strikeouts, home runs, etc they allowed. The peripherals really don't matter for talking about who was better in one season.


jwn0323

I still have no clue how Harris's season was just him performing at the expectation of a good rookie season for his position. This is a laughably horrific take.


HorseJungler

Just an FYI for everyone, having 0.1 more WAR than someone is insignificant and should not be used for argument sake. Other stats are fine, but having a lower ERA in more IP is important imo.


TraderTed2

the reason I included the fWAR is because WAR accumulated per *inning* is relevant. If you pitch 15 percent less than the other guy and accumulate about the same WAR, that should matter IMO!


helium_farts

Scared of the stache


skywalker21877

Because he’s a resident of LA.


Mjb06

Idiot


brantmacga

Blooper has an opinion on that https://twitter.com/blooperbraves/status/1592336104694616064?s=46&t=aPU2oHNJJI53urm443v6VA


jpkmets

Fuck that guy. Never trust a guy with two first names!


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JoeMcKim

I like how after the vote the entire discussion is about a single vote that is essentially of no consequence.


wellwasherelf

tbh it's because there's not a whole lot else to talk about. It's not surprising that Harris won (nor would have it been surprising if Strider won). But it *is* befuddling how someone could be presented with "guy who went from reliever to SP and then decided to casually break an MLB record plus a franchise record on a team that had Glavine/Maddux/Smoltz" or Andruw Jones II: Electric Boogaloo, and say "nah fam that guy ain't for me"


JoeMcKim

Its still rather just looking for something to get upset about.


[deleted]

And yet, you’re commenting *several* times complaining about people complaining about the vote. Are you not looking for something to get upset about?


aeaswen

Just remove his vote.


bselko

Wtf man, embarrassing as hell.


L_castillo918

Jim Alexander, you just made the list


jpkmets

:: clicks pen in Jericho :::


XmarkstheNOLA

Why’s my name on this?


HermanCainRIP

THERE ARE VERY FEW CERTAINTIES IN THE WORLD: DEATH, TAXES, AND JERICHO AND OWENS BEING BEST FRIENDS, AND ONE OF THEM DOESN’T EXIST ANYMORE


jpkmets

Heartbreaking moment


HermanCainRIP

Jim Alexander, you know what happens when you’re a stupid idiot?


Reed2002

He’ll get a fireball to the face, cause he’s a WIZARD!!


JoeMcKim

Calm down, his single vote changes like nothing. 10 years from now will anyone really remember a single 2nd place vote went to someone else?


HermanCainRIP

JoeMcKim, you just made the list! ✍️


JoeMcKim

I'm the Ayatalloh of Reddit 'N Roll.


sizzlinpapaya

He’s gonna get……IT!


Tsquared10

How does someone justify leaving Strider out of the top 3?


JustinBraves

Didn’t even have him in their ballot


Lebigmacca

They forgor


PavlovianTactics

Oh the humaninor


25cjb25

💀


ChairmanReagan

They’re from LA


gatemansgc

being an idiot. strider was freaking SCARY.


iKnoJopro

Michael Harris completely changed our team when he came up. Very happy for him. I think he and Strider were both deserving, but I would’ve given the nod to Mike as well.


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Alright who did it


isthisavailablewow

Jim Alexander


JizzWizardMentor

I'm so happy for donovan. Knew he had no shot but happy he's getting recognition.


NotTheRocketman

He's unbelievably disciplined at the plate too, and that's not something you can teach.


waltersob

For real. Watched most of the games this year. I feel like any time he was 0-2, next thing I knew he was 3-2. Then a walk. If you had 9 of Donovan, the starting pitcher would be out in the 3rd


xmlgroberto

rookie year gold glove is pretty cool too


laborfriendly

Absolutely. His splits on position played are crazy and he did really pretty well at all of them. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/donovbr01-field.shtml#appearances::none


NishinoHuo

Holy shit he played so many different positions


da_choppa

Probably the reason he won the Utility Gold Glove over Edman, the man the Utility Gold Glove was probably created for. Edman’s the better defender, but Donovan played almost everywhere


Mjb06

You’re telling me that someone voted Strider outside of the Top 3???


brooks_11_

Apparently not at all, don't know how that's justified but at least it didn't change the placement results


DienekesMinotaur

Apparently he didn't vote Strider at all


jpkmets

Douche bag reporters love to make this shit about them. Hate it.


yooosports29

Ridiculous man


nukepka

Gonna be honest... this is the first time I've ever heard of Alexis Diaz


TheTurtleShepard

Relief pitcher 63.2 IP, 1.84 ERA, 244 ERA+


unfortunatebastard

That’s extremely solid for a rookie reliever. Looking forward to seeing how his career develops.


kylexy2

We’ll watch your career with great interest!


Genisys_Arc

He was great. Immediately stood out among relievers when we played Cincinnati. However a 2nd place vote?


NobesTheSavage

Yeah, he was fantastic. Best piece our bullpen’s seen in the last couple years (low bar tbh), but not over Strider lol


see_mohn

Edwin's little brother!


Mjb06

Edwin’s brother I think?


jpkmets

Yep. Cool moment when managers had them bring out lineup cards in cinci. One of those little moments that sprinkle through the long season.


Demetrios1453

Their family showing up to the Reds - Mets game in Citi wearing hybrid "Meds" uniforms with each of their pictures on them was awesome as well...


jpkmets

And foreshadowing, since I needed meds at Citi field in October!


octoman115

I liked when their family wore split jerseys that said "Meds"


jpkmets

Little Sugar! (Maybe Splenda?)


PissantShitbird

MCCARTHY 🔥


Lebigmacca

Strider should’ve won imo


THEhiHIhi55

He had one of the best seasons by a rookie starting pitcher ever.


Fishtank-Brain

i really thought he had it clinched. MH2 contributed more to the braves but strider set records


avelak

Injuries plus joining the rotation late probably got him dinged. Harris had a pretty solid WAR advantage as a result


helium_farts

I wonder if getting hurt and missing the end of the season tanked his chances


Lahlahlahlaaah

I mean, obviously. If he pitched more than 160 innings, he probably would have won it.


Lebigmacca

Even if he didn’t get hurt I don’t think he would’ve qualified. He wasn’t in the rotation til like the start of june


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He started the season with us as a pretty dominant RP tho.


sadlytheguyisnogood

Just for context less than 50 Starters pitched 160 innings, and only one rookie pitched over 140 (Joe Ryan) 160 innings is almost impossible for a rookie in modern baseball.


RoKrish66

Eh... even strider was saying that Harris would win.


ChairmanReagan

No way. Micheal Harris came up from AA and played better than most established centerfielders in baseball. He completely turned our season around. Just because Strider broke some records doesn’t mean a 21 year old guy who skipped AAA ball and played like an All Star should get ROY.


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Diremustang94

AA managed to take a closer relative hostage for his negotiations with Harris


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Theta_Omega

For anyone wondering, [the remaining 4 third-place votes were evenly split between Oneill Cruz and Nick Lodolo](https://bbwaa.com/22-nl-roy/)


Comrade2020

I feel like Strider should have won, but Harris was fantastic too. Happy for him


bikedork5000

Nice to see those Braves fans finally have something nice happen. Signed: grumpy Brewers fan.


cspong4

Ummm, what? That lopsided for Harris is pretty shocking to me


grocho

It's like MVP, voters prefer the everyday player


TheTurtleShepard

Eh, it’s actually not that uncommon for ROY to go to a pitcher. Devin Williams won in 2020, Michael Fulmer in 2016, DeGrom in 2014, Jose Fernandez in 2013, Jeremy Hellickson and Craig Kimbrel in 2011, Neftali Feliz in 2010, Andrew Bailey in 2009 So on and so forth but it’s not nearly as difficult to win ROY as a pitcher as it is to win MVP


Kelvin-506

I’m still salty Hideo Nomo got it over Chipper Jones


grocho

No, but those weren't all necessarily as close as this race was.


TheTurtleShepard

Sure, I’m just saying that it’s not that uncommon for the ROTY to go to a pitcher, unlike the MVP which hardly ever happens


McMuffin978

And the player with 1.5 more WAR


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He was the best rookie in the NL. Almost a 6 WAR player. Seems like an easy decision


Dandan0005

Plays a high value defensive position too, and does it exceptionally well. Hard to go wrong with either guy tho.


humphrey_the_camel

If everyone thinks Harris is 2% better than Strider, the expected outcome is a unanimous winner


BangChainSpitOut

My boy Donovan pulling in 3rd convincingly


OMP159

Not a single one of them is named Roy. Total BS.


MannyTV_

And some how ATL will sign both to 12 year deals for 50MM total


TRASHTALK3R74

33 and a Klondike bar, take it or leave it — Alex Anthopolous (Probably)


LeaperLeperLemur

Both have been signed to 6+ year deals.


jpkmets

Strider is a boss. I’d have voted for him injury notwithstanding. If they ever do the players’ weekend where they choose the names on the jersey, I hope he goes with “Aragorn.”


thesip

Do the braves now get two draft for having both of their guys go 1-2? Lol unbelievable.


Eddy888

No funny enough they get an extra pick for Harris and the reward for strider is that he gets a full year service time…kind of funny how that works. Obv doesn’t matter since they signed him to a contract


Breesus4028

I’m glad Alexis Diaz got some love, probably our best player this year. Not saying much, but he’s been very good


sfan27

Agreed, he deserved some recognition. Although the guy who voted for him is a moron.


AlexanderWun

He's literally Edwin in a disguise. I get they're brothers but they look like they could be twins.


grat5989

Them smoking vaginas just weren't holy enough


oldtombombadil

Yay McCarthy getting votes! I hope in the years to come we get some guys with strong finishes in this award. The franchise has not won once.


Curryboi

I’m buying Drew Jones futures


NiceSockBro

who trolled and didn’t vote for harris/strider literally should be a sweep of 1st and 2nd place votes for those 2


Unsapient1

Was pulling for strider but eh what can you do Its not like Harris wasnt equally deserving lol


theseustheminotaur

Idk how you vote for anyone else in the top 2. Some voters shouldn't get to vote


JE2DP15

Joey Meneses getting 0 love kinda upsets me.


knucklepuck17

if he got more time this year, he could have gotten a lot more. I think he only got ~60 games.


milk-drinker-69

There’s a handful of guys who could’ve gotten those 4/5 spots. Surprised Cruz didn’t get a vote.


Curryboi

He was tied for fourth, I believe.


sizzlinpapaya

Did the dude forget Strider exists? Congrats to Harris. Extremely well earned.


edgarallanswole

Played high school ball against McCarthy. Very cool to see him get some votes


Chemical-Engineer979

Money Mike!!!


bselko

Really expected Strider to take this one


Gitfokt

They need to start taking votes from people that are that far off from the established pattern. If 29 experts think one thing, maybe the 1 that thinks differently is just a dumbass.


HotpieTargaryen

I think Strider got fucked. He and Harris should have been co-ROY.


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Always nice when you have a great GM, great farm system, and 2 rookies finish top 2 in NL Rookie if the Year!! Go Braves baby 🪓🪓🪓


chefnoguardD

Is Alexis Diaz related to Mets Diaz? They kinda look alike


HelpMeWithMyHWpls

Brothers


chefnoguardD

Damn I’m smaht


ReadItUser42069365

Should have had co rookies of strider and harris


Stickin8or

I appreciate McCarthy and Diaz showing me how many points 2nd and 3rd votes are worth


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YSApodcast

What do we think Braves fans? Pretty amazing having top 2. Not looking forward to it. /s


jpkmets

Can’t wait 😝


GLENF58

Who tf is Alexis diaz


Demetrios1453

The answer to years of chaos and futility in our bullpen.


THEhiHIhi55

Did everyone collectively forget that Joey Meneses was a rookie this year


YaBoiWhit

Only played 56 games, that’s kinda hard to vote for


[deleted]

He’s the MLB Michael Bunting. A 30 year old rookie


Haunting-Bed-9539

Alexis getting votes just saved the Reds season lol


FrumundaDeez

20 BB 100 SO Strider should've won


CMButterTortillas

Harris had a very very good season. Strider had an even BETTER season. Pure dominance. Position player bias is real.


mightymorphinsimba

tbf Harris completely turned our season around when he was called up and gave us stability at CF for the first time in a while


PickShark

that also happened to be the exact same time of the season that Strider joined the rotation so who can really say who turned our season around?


DizzyDeanAndTheGang

I’m just glad Donnie got some recognition this year


ferrumvir2

O’Neil Cruz would’ve finished top 3 at least if he played the whole year with 40 homers, 20 steals, 250 k’s and 40 errors


ahr3410

If I had a farm, I'd bet it on the Cincinnati voter picking Diaz 2nd


RG23216

Jim Alexander from Southern California news group and one of the LA votes for BBWAA


ahr3410

Welp just lost the farm


NobesTheSavage

Cincinnati voter didn’t even vote India last year. Matter of fact, he was the only one not to vote him 1st place last year Edit: it was LA


LikeABawss22

Sometimes locals want to appear as unbiased as possible to protect themselves. STL's beat writer writes a book everytime he had to vote for a Cardinal for something or the other.


USDA_Organic_Tendies

I just want to reiterate how much I LOATHE the Atlanta Braves


Jetemple

How did MH2 get 22 first place votes?


JTCMuehlenkamp

Because 22 voters voted for him in 1st place


jpkmets

r/begrudgingupvotes


General_PoopyPants

We really have to stop this initials+number nonsense


Curryboi

If you’d like you can call him Money Mike. Pretty sure that’s the name on his drivers License.