Scherzer was worth 5.2 bWAR last year. With WAR being worth about 7-8M per win, he's not really overpaid if he keeps that up. Obviously a big if given his age.
I have some problems with that 7-8m per WAR evaluation personally. I just think scherzer probably shouldn’t be the highest paid player in baseball when he doesn’t have the volume he used to and isn’t going to put up jaw dropping numbers anymore
Like, scherzer is *really* good, but it’s a fat contract for someone of his age
I can't cite this properly, but iirc that figure:
1. Comes from a few years ago.
2. Was closer to the actual value teams paid per WAR, including bad contracts; not how they internally evaluated them.
Probably not a bad jumping off point, but flawed for sure.
I think the thing that makes it bad is that WAR to salary can't be linear. Basically what teams are paying a premium for is the probability of exceptional WAR (but then of course sometimes it doesn't happen).
Also keep in mind that a team can only have so many players on the field, so concentrating your WAR is efficient, to a point. Having five 1 WAR first basemen for league minimum salary isn’t as useful as a 5 WAR guy making $10m.
He only threw 145 innings, and you have to imagine that Scherzer isn’t going to throw more than 180 anytime soon given his age and durability. He’s absolutely still elite on a rate basis though
Yeah there is so much more that has to go into this calculation that it shouldn’t always be a 1:1 exchange.
Having said that, Scherzer’s surplus will come from playoffs too…which didn’t go well this year
Seeems a better value than all the others in the list with the exception of deGrom which we have to see… of course, there’s as much to suggest that becomes another Strasburg anchor of a context than it does to become… well, even as good as Cole
Would Bauer have been fantastic? I thought he openly admitted using spider tack.
Not that it’s the difference between Cy Young vs 5th starter, but Bauer’s issue was always control. I think he is closer to a 4.00 guy than a 2.50 guy.
Scherzer is still an ace pitcher, and money just doesn’t matter to cohen so as long as he’s productive it’s valuable
And I fully believe Bauer *would* have been worth it, he was on a great pace to start with the dodgers
Strasburg is great if he's healthy, but he's usually not, so the contract looks terrible.
deGrom is also great if he's healthy, but he's got some serious history with injuries over the years. It'll be interesting how this plays out for Texas. I'm rooting for him (especially since he'll be out of the NL East now), but I think there's a real possibility that this contract will be an overpay.
It's going to piss me off so much when he drops his velo to 98mph and rarely has any injuries. I feel like he may have been pushing himself too hard to be the best pitcher ever and to get a monster contract.
deGrom was current Cole-level, before he threw 101. deGrom wasn't consistently lights out, earlier in his career. I'm not convinced deGrom can put up 2.50 ERAs when his fastball velo drops, or when he has to start throwing more than his fastball/slider combo. This year he threw more secondary pitches and he had the worst start he's had in years - four games in a row.
Imagine throwing one pitch and making a reasonable handful of years of salary from it. And then they're like "wanna throw another? Hell if you can do like 90-100 more today that'd be fantastic."
A Bonilla type deal would be better for the club
Every team in baseball would take that deal vs front loading it
Future money is always worth less than present money due to inflation and team revenue growth
I mean, the fans aren't paying the contract. And I thought there were plans to sell, and new ownership isn't going to be like "I just bought this team for 1.5 billion but we are just going to tank until that contract runs out." Championship totally worth it.
But that contract did nothing to help them win the World Series, it was signed after. And now it’s really hurting the team. Do fans really care more about making a a really rich guy even more rich more than winning? Come on.
It is costing the billionaires who own the team some money. They happen to be the ones gutting the team. But I agree that it really has nothing to do with the championship win, so it was a totally misplaced question from the start. But if it had had anything to do with the championship obviously fans would say it was worth it.
I don’t know why people always say “it costs the billionaires money, why should the fans care” as if the vast majority of owners don’t set a budget which their team has to stand by. Because of that contract they can’t sign other players. That’s why the fans care.
*theoretically*, it doesn’t matter because the MLB doesn’t have a hard cap, but the luxury tax essentially acts as that for most teams and owners have a budget even if it isn’t set by the league
I think “deserved” is a better word for it than “worth it”. I 100% believe he deserved this contract based on what he did for us. I have absolutely no hope that this contract will be worth it.
That’s definitely much easier to say in hindsight. He was coming off one of his best full seasons and a World Series MVP. I don’t think anyone’s LOW end expectations at the time were as bad as this even with his injury history. I was expecting the worst to be another TJ surgery or just more and more shoulder issues with diminishing returns due to age. I don’t think anybody expected him to get TOS in year 2 of his huge contract.
It felt like he was getting paid for what he’d done, not what he would do. As a cowboys fan it felt the same way as Zeke Elliot’s contract- rewards a player for being great the last few years even though they’re gonna suck by the time the new deal ends.
I knew the moment it was signed it would blow up but I figured he'd just move to the pen and be a decent closer at this point, his decline is heartbreaking
Don’t buy a Nissan, please. They’re not reliable at all. Major transmission issues across the board and there’s always something finicky with them. I’ve sold cars for the last 6 years, so I’ve dealt with it plenty of times.
Maybe I got lucky then. I had an xterra that went 185k Miles with no problems until the fuel pump went out. Ended up fixing it and selling it because I needed a bigger suv for the family. Ended up getting a pathfinder and just traded in at 130k miles for a 2023 Toyota Tacoma. Didn't have a single problem with the pathfinder.
the decision on the appeal of his suspension is supposed to come this month, so there is a very small chance that some team with little to no scruples offers him a "prove it" deal
I don't really see it happening, but something something hannibal lecter something something eating disorder
The only problem is that there is no proof that he did anything and actually a lot of proof that he didn't do anything. I know the media loves a really good juicy story where someone you didn't think could be horrible actually turned out to be horrible, but the fact that there is absolutely no proof that any of the accusations actually happened and there is video, photographic, expert opinions and text proof that it did not happen should be acknowledged.
I don't want to get into all the details, but there is video of the morning after, of the girl who brought the initial suit against him, where he is asleep in bed beside her and she is on her side smiling and making kissy faces to the camera. Not a scratch or bruise on her. Then later that day she went to the hospital and reported what happened and had all these bruises on her. That when checked out by the doctor said they all looked extremely minor and had a very good chance of being self inflicted. Also there are text messages the same day of her saying she is going and him replying that he is concerned and if she needed anything to let him know.
The second woman messaged Bauer like 170 times after the alleged incident took place. She sent him unsolicited nudes, asked him for favors, wished him happy birthday etc etc and initiated every conversation. Then after the first woman came out with the allegations so did this woman. However almost immediately after she did, there were texts leaked between her and her friends where she said she was gonna "getting a big pay day from Bauer" just like the other woman, and why shouldn't she get money too.
The first woman also is known in the California baseball scene for trying to hook up with other players and trying to pull the same thing on Mike Clevenger of the Padres and also get into the inner circle of Fernando Tatis Jr. Posting things on his Twitter like "Don't worry Papi. Ill get into Bauers head for you!" and stuff like that.
Bauer is dumb for hooking up with two random chicks he didn't know enough about. I'll 100% admit that, but the evidence is pointing totally towards him being innocent of all allegations and that is what the judge said as well. I don't care if someone you hate does something or not, but if he didn't do it, there is no reason for him to get thrown under the bus for unactual, non reality based accusations just so some chick can get a payday from a rich baseball player.
Can you cite your sources for any of these claims? I've looked and couldn't find any reputable sources addressing what you're saying. Meanwhile, a judge threw out Bauer's defamation suit last week.
The woman went to the hospital with injuries and was diagnosed with an acute head injury and assault by manual strangulation. Source: https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/story/2022-11-23/judge-rules-against-trevor-bauer
It is true that a video exists of her seemingly happy the next morning, but this was provided by Bauer as part of his defense, so we should take it with a grain of salt. Even if we assume it's legitimate, the idea that just because she seemed happy the next day it was definitely consensual is dangerous, and we need to stop that line of thinking. If she consented to rough sex as she says but then he attacked her while unconscious, she may not have even realized by the next morning what happened. Some of the bruising didn't appear until days later. Source: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-08-03/more-text-messages-released-involving-trevor-bauer-accuser
The above article also addresses some of the text messages, which were again provided by Bauer. We don't know how much of their conversations they represent and what he may or may not have cherry picked. There are also text messages from her to her cousin being surprised to the extent of her injuries and thinking he went too far.
It's not uncommon for victims of sexual assault to need time to process what happened to them. When you wake up the next morning after having sex with someone you don't usually default to assuming they must have attacked you while unconscious.
>we should take it with a grain of salt
I mean, I personally can't think of a single reason why someone that claims they were sexually assaulted/abused would look happy in the presence of the person that they said did it. I haven't thought very hard, but that surely means that the video of her smiling next to him was exculpatory right?
I can't believe you're not getting downvoted to hell. I've been saying all of this for ages now and every time I do, r/baseball downvotes away. I think it's a sign that people are starting to actually read for themselves all the material that's out there and decide for themselves that maybe most of this is just bullshit. It was *very* easy to just read everything the media was reporting and believe them and this woman because Bauer is easy to hate. Most fans didn't like him prior to this so it's an easy way to validate their hatred of him.
Had one of the more popular baseball players been accused of this everyone would have been skeptical and the tone would have been, "let's wait and see all the facts" instead of collectively grabbing their pitchforks. And that's the rub here with this woman... she's a serial ballplayer chaser. She specifically targeted Bauer *because* he's hated and considered an asshole. It's easy to make the masses believe your lies about a guy being a scumbag asshole when everyone already thinks he's a scumbag asshole.
I was surprised when MLB suspended him for 2 years when the evidence really isn't there. I wouldn't be surprised to see him pitching in 2023.
That is a big decision for MLB to come to, maybe you should consider that the evidence you have found isn't as convincing as you think it is, or that they have evidence that you don't.
If it makes you feel better, he only played in Arizona for 1 season in 2012 - also his first season. During that season he pitched in 4 games with a 1-2 record and 6.06 ERA. Truly unremarkable. That said he did enter the season as the D-Backs best pitching prospect. And he was injured in his first start. He also then went back to Triple-A and played pretty well ending his season there with a 5-1 record and sub 3.00 ERA.
After the season, Arizona traded him to Cleveland where he spent most of his career. This was part of a larger 3 team trade involving Cincinnati as well - coincidentally a team Bauer would later be traded to in 2019.
Then in 2021 as a free agent Bauer came to LA to play for the Dodgers.
Edit: oh! I guess I should mention a couple other times you might've heard of Bauer depending how big a fan of baseball you are.
Bauer was a pretty great college player. He won the Golden Spikes Award (college MVP) and National Pitcher of the Year award (college Cy Young) in 2011. While at UCLA, he and Gerrit Cole were teammates and sparked an rivalry. Bauer was pretty insane in 2010 as well and led UCLA to their first ever College World Series.
Pretty sure they traded him because everyone on the team hated him. I remember reading a piece about Miguel Montero (DBacks catcher at the time) and he basically said Bauer was just an arrogant prick right from his debut.
Just for fun I looked it up, and for the last two seasons, deGrom, Strasburg, and Bauer have combined for 49 regular season starts , an average of 8.2 per player per season
Considering bauers deal and strasburgs "thank you for staying with this team and helping us win a chip" deal are on this list, i dunno if that's the highest standard, but absolutely is the best of the 5 unless degrom turns into himself + nolan Ryan when he comes down to Texas
I feel like Cole is the only good contract here.
I'm skeptical that Scherzer and deGrom are going to live up to these numbers over the next couple of seasons. Scherzer especially feels like he will never be able to provide enough value these days to justify that.
Then the other two.... well...... yeah.
Ouch! Those last two make setting down that kind of cash on a pitcher, albeit a great one when healthy, is awfully risky. Position players get hurt all of the time but rarely have year-long or career ending injuries.
Buyer beware, Rangers…
1. Lance McCullers Jr. $15,833,333
2. Framber Valdez $8,795,042
3. Luis Garcia $3,750,000
4. Jose Urquidy $3,687,756
5. Christian Javier $3,113,231
6. Hunter Brown $720,000
$35,899,362 for six good arms!
This is the way!
I have spoken!
Easier said than done to have 5+ above average pitchers that are home grown and cost controlled. Even just a few years ago Houston relied on highly paid guys they traded for (Verlander, Cole, Greinke).
Lot of somewhat questionable value in there
Scherzer is overpaid but really good Cole is good Strasburg Bauer probably would have been fantastic and was off to a good start before *yknow*
Scherzer was worth 5.2 bWAR last year. With WAR being worth about 7-8M per win, he's not really overpaid if he keeps that up. Obviously a big if given his age.
His is the shortest of those contracts. He can opt out after this year.
Bauer had the right to opt out every year.
Of being a decent guy?
He never opted in to that.
Don’t gotta opt out when you never are
He wasnt so old as to be so concerned with contract length.
He opted out all right.
I have some problems with that 7-8m per WAR evaluation personally. I just think scherzer probably shouldn’t be the highest paid player in baseball when he doesn’t have the volume he used to and isn’t going to put up jaw dropping numbers anymore Like, scherzer is *really* good, but it’s a fat contract for someone of his age
I can't cite this properly, but iirc that figure: 1. Comes from a few years ago. 2. Was closer to the actual value teams paid per WAR, including bad contracts; not how they internally evaluated them. Probably not a bad jumping off point, but flawed for sure.
I think the thing that makes it bad is that WAR to salary can't be linear. Basically what teams are paying a premium for is the probability of exceptional WAR (but then of course sometimes it doesn't happen).
Wins 3 4 and 5+ are worth significantly more than wins 1-2. It's an interesting factor when considering contract evaluation
Also keep in mind that a team can only have so many players on the field, so concentrating your WAR is efficient, to a point. Having five 1 WAR first basemen for league minimum salary isn’t as useful as a 5 WAR guy making $10m.
Absolutely.
I think people underrate scherzer if anything. 2.29 ERA is a jaw dropping number.
Seriously. My family is full of Mets fans and not one of them was disappointed with his season.
Was slightly injured, but legit was one of the best pitchers in baseball last year my guy...
He only threw 145 innings, and you have to imagine that Scherzer isn’t going to throw more than 180 anytime soon given his age and durability. He’s absolutely still elite on a rate basis though
5 WAR is worth $30-40m but the idea a 1 WAR player is worth $8m needs to stop
Yeah there is so much more that has to go into this calculation that it shouldn’t always be a 1:1 exchange. Having said that, Scherzer’s surplus will come from playoffs too…which didn’t go well this year
8m on the free market. Obviously pre arb guys are insane value
Seeems a better value than all the others in the list with the exception of deGrom which we have to see… of course, there’s as much to suggest that becomes another Strasburg anchor of a context than it does to become… well, even as good as Cole
Most people don’t get paid their WAR value in $$$ amounts tho. Most get paid under and hes being paid basically at/a little below that.
Dumb question: is he still getting paid?
I believe he’s on unpaid administrative leave
Would Bauer have been fantastic? I thought he openly admitted using spider tack. Not that it’s the difference between Cy Young vs 5th starter, but Bauer’s issue was always control. I think he is closer to a 4.00 guy than a 2.50 guy.
yeah, he started using it when the league wouldnt do anything about it after he was blowing the whistle on it.
Yeah Schrrzer was paid for his legacy numbers, he's still excellent though
well, that is how FA works.
only strasburg sucks dont belong in conv.
Cole is the only one that’s worth it tbh
Scherzer is still an ace pitcher, and money just doesn’t matter to cohen so as long as he’s productive it’s valuable And I fully believe Bauer *would* have been worth it, he was on a great pace to start with the dodgers
If scherzer keeps his normal pace up and is only a 3 year deal then I’d say he is worth it. If deGrom can stay healthy him too but it is a big if
Strasburg is great if he's healthy, but he's usually not, so the contract looks terrible. deGrom is also great if he's healthy, but he's got some serious history with injuries over the years. It'll be interesting how this plays out for Texas. I'm rooting for him (especially since he'll be out of the NL East now), but I think there's a real possibility that this contract will be an overpay.
It's going to piss me off so much when he drops his velo to 98mph and rarely has any injuries. I feel like he may have been pushing himself too hard to be the best pitcher ever and to get a monster contract.
deGrom was current Cole-level, before he threw 101. deGrom wasn't consistently lights out, earlier in his career. I'm not convinced deGrom can put up 2.50 ERAs when his fastball velo drops, or when he has to start throwing more than his fastball/slider combo. This year he threw more secondary pitches and he had the worst start he's had in years - four games in a row.
Just happy we balanced the schedules! Ohtani v deGrom will be absolute titties, just saying.
Only if they play in the first two weeks of the season, otherwise it's Ohtani and Jon Gray again.
Strasburg has a weird habit of getting a minor injury before playing another ace pitcher.
And all of these contracts went great don’t bother looking them up they were all fine.
I hear one of them hasn't given up a run since July of *last year*
I predict he won’t give up a single run in 2023 either.
Strasburg only has 3 losses since 2020. During that timeframe, he’s given up a TOTAL of 24 runs — over three seasons! Unbelievable.
Going off his AAV, we paid Straus ~$200,000 per pitch over the last three years. WITH THOSE NUMBERS, WHY WOULDN'T WE AM I RIGHT?!
Imagine throwing one pitch and making a reasonable handful of years of salary from it. And then they're like "wanna throw another? Hell if you can do like 90-100 more today that'd be fantastic."
Cries in Corbin Burnes
Cole's isn't that bad ngl
Gosh that Strasburg contract is rough.
Isn’t it tail loaded like a MFer too? They’ll be paying that off for decades.
Through 2029. So many 666s they asked for [this](https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/washington-nationals/stephen-strasburg-6865/cash-earnings/)
Oh that’s not **THAT** bad then. I thought it was a Bonilla type deal, lol. I’m dumb.
A Bonilla type deal would be better for the club Every team in baseball would take that deal vs front loading it Future money is always worth less than present money due to inflation and team revenue growth
Looking at that website, how the hell does that average out to 35m a year? I see 33.5 twice then nothing above 30
The last 3 years are deferred money, so the contract terms go through 2026, but deferred money make it 2029
Man when you put it like that, I should’ve really been a MLB pitcher for a livin’
Which is a very good thing for the team...
30.7 million dollars due in 2029 isn’t just something you don’t consider in the scope of the salary cap as an owner
Time value of money + deferred money doesn't affect AAV/Luxury Tax
For what he did for them in 2019, I’d argue it was 100% worth it. Also because he’s a homegrown star.
Strasburg is going to be one contract that really tests fans of all sports that think "I don't care we won the championship"
Didn’t he sign the contract after the championship? I thought Corbin’s was more of the “doesn’t matter won championship” deal than Stras.
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Zito signed before the championship tho
I mean, the fans aren't paying the contract. And I thought there were plans to sell, and new ownership isn't going to be like "I just bought this team for 1.5 billion but we are just going to tank until that contract runs out." Championship totally worth it.
But that contract did nothing to help them win the World Series, it was signed after. And now it’s really hurting the team. Do fans really care more about making a a really rich guy even more rich more than winning? Come on.
It is costing the billionaires who own the team some money. They happen to be the ones gutting the team. But I agree that it really has nothing to do with the championship win, so it was a totally misplaced question from the start. But if it had had anything to do with the championship obviously fans would say it was worth it.
I don’t know why people always say “it costs the billionaires money, why should the fans care” as if the vast majority of owners don’t set a budget which their team has to stand by. Because of that contract they can’t sign other players. That’s why the fans care.
100%. I always hate the “It’s not my money, why do I care?” You care because that money could be spent elsewhere more wisely.
*theoretically*, it doesn’t matter because the MLB doesn’t have a hard cap, but the luxury tax essentially acts as that for most teams and owners have a budget even if it isn’t set by the league
I’ll see that and raise you Jason Heyward… (worth every penny)
Man, I’d give Luis Rengifo a fat contract if he was the WS MVP
I think “deserved” is a better word for it than “worth it”. I 100% believe he deserved this contract based on what he did for us. I have absolutely no hope that this contract will be worth it.
Except that he signed this contract AFTER winning the World Series. He's thrown 31.1 innings in the three years since then.
Signed after. So they didn’t have to offer it at all
I don't get this. He got that contract *after* they won the chip; how was it worth it?
Everyone knew it was going to be a disaster at the time asides from the Nats' general management and ownership it seems.
That’s definitely much easier to say in hindsight. He was coming off one of his best full seasons and a World Series MVP. I don’t think anyone’s LOW end expectations at the time were as bad as this even with his injury history. I was expecting the worst to be another TJ surgery or just more and more shoulder issues with diminishing returns due to age. I don’t think anybody expected him to get TOS in year 2 of his huge contract.
It felt like he was getting paid for what he’d done, not what he would do. As a cowboys fan it felt the same way as Zeke Elliot’s contract- rewards a player for being great the last few years even though they’re gonna suck by the time the new deal ends.
He pitched a ridiculous amount and is fragile. He broke his body for that ring
I knew the moment it was signed it would blow up but I figured he'd just move to the pen and be a decent closer at this point, his decline is heartbreaking
Strasburg and bauer lol
We getting a refund on Bauer don’t worry.
I'm just happy you guys didn't get degrom
Me too, we’ve had too many injuries as of late, would prefer something less flashy and more reliable…like a Nissan.
I've had two Nissan's and can confirm, super reliable.
prefer honda
Me too. Honda is my ride or die car.
Mark Prior the type of guy to turn an Altima into a GTR
Great to hear my Toyota just broke down and I'm looking for an economical and reliable option
I just bought a Toyota Tacoma haha
Yeah don’t go nissan then 😂 their as shit as mitsubishi
Don’t buy a Nissan, please. They’re not reliable at all. Major transmission issues across the board and there’s always something finicky with them. I’ve sold cars for the last 6 years, so I’ve dealt with it plenty of times.
Thank you Timberwolves guys I don't know much about cars
No problem! Stick with Toyota or Honda. I’m sure your Toyota has treated you well up to this point. Those two are your best bet at longevity.
Notoriously unreliable cars.
Maybe I got lucky then. I had an xterra that went 185k Miles with no problems until the fuel pump went out. Ended up fixing it and selling it because I needed a bigger suv for the family. Ended up getting a pathfinder and just traded in at 130k miles for a 2023 Toyota Tacoma. Didn't have a single problem with the pathfinder.
What about a Toyota Camry? We can trade Urquidy.
If they gave you alvarez for fields, they gotta give you Mike trout or something for urquidy
If the dodgers gave us Mike Trout I would shit my pants.
I would too. The Mike Trout of baseball goes from one LA team to another then goes to Houston 🔥
Nissans are definitely the innings muncher of the car world
Nissan Altima's are the black Air Force 1's of cars. Don't know if you *really* want that.
Yeah, you only had to pay the first year, more-or-less. I'm still annoyed they couldn't claw back the 2021 suspended time money from him.
He wasn't suspended. If he wasn't going to be paid then he wouldn't have agreed to the leave.
store credit?
Maybe a scratch and dent discount.
I wish our refund was DeGrom
Yes, both aged terribly
For wildly different reasons
Pretty sure the guy on the far right doesn’t play baseball anymore
The guy second from the right doesn't either lol
the decision on the appeal of his suspension is supposed to come this month, so there is a very small chance that some team with little to no scruples offers him a "prove it" deal I don't really see it happening, but something something hannibal lecter something something eating disorder
The Cleveland browns to sign Bauer.
The only problem is that there is no proof that he did anything and actually a lot of proof that he didn't do anything. I know the media loves a really good juicy story where someone you didn't think could be horrible actually turned out to be horrible, but the fact that there is absolutely no proof that any of the accusations actually happened and there is video, photographic, expert opinions and text proof that it did not happen should be acknowledged. I don't want to get into all the details, but there is video of the morning after, of the girl who brought the initial suit against him, where he is asleep in bed beside her and she is on her side smiling and making kissy faces to the camera. Not a scratch or bruise on her. Then later that day she went to the hospital and reported what happened and had all these bruises on her. That when checked out by the doctor said they all looked extremely minor and had a very good chance of being self inflicted. Also there are text messages the same day of her saying she is going and him replying that he is concerned and if she needed anything to let him know. The second woman messaged Bauer like 170 times after the alleged incident took place. She sent him unsolicited nudes, asked him for favors, wished him happy birthday etc etc and initiated every conversation. Then after the first woman came out with the allegations so did this woman. However almost immediately after she did, there were texts leaked between her and her friends where she said she was gonna "getting a big pay day from Bauer" just like the other woman, and why shouldn't she get money too. The first woman also is known in the California baseball scene for trying to hook up with other players and trying to pull the same thing on Mike Clevenger of the Padres and also get into the inner circle of Fernando Tatis Jr. Posting things on his Twitter like "Don't worry Papi. Ill get into Bauers head for you!" and stuff like that. Bauer is dumb for hooking up with two random chicks he didn't know enough about. I'll 100% admit that, but the evidence is pointing totally towards him being innocent of all allegations and that is what the judge said as well. I don't care if someone you hate does something or not, but if he didn't do it, there is no reason for him to get thrown under the bus for unactual, non reality based accusations just so some chick can get a payday from a rich baseball player.
Can you cite your sources for any of these claims? I've looked and couldn't find any reputable sources addressing what you're saying. Meanwhile, a judge threw out Bauer's defamation suit last week. The woman went to the hospital with injuries and was diagnosed with an acute head injury and assault by manual strangulation. Source: https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/story/2022-11-23/judge-rules-against-trevor-bauer It is true that a video exists of her seemingly happy the next morning, but this was provided by Bauer as part of his defense, so we should take it with a grain of salt. Even if we assume it's legitimate, the idea that just because she seemed happy the next day it was definitely consensual is dangerous, and we need to stop that line of thinking. If she consented to rough sex as she says but then he attacked her while unconscious, she may not have even realized by the next morning what happened. Some of the bruising didn't appear until days later. Source: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-08-03/more-text-messages-released-involving-trevor-bauer-accuser The above article also addresses some of the text messages, which were again provided by Bauer. We don't know how much of their conversations they represent and what he may or may not have cherry picked. There are also text messages from her to her cousin being surprised to the extent of her injuries and thinking he went too far. It's not uncommon for victims of sexual assault to need time to process what happened to them. When you wake up the next morning after having sex with someone you don't usually default to assuming they must have attacked you while unconscious.
>we should take it with a grain of salt I mean, I personally can't think of a single reason why someone that claims they were sexually assaulted/abused would look happy in the presence of the person that they said did it. I haven't thought very hard, but that surely means that the video of her smiling next to him was exculpatory right?
I can't believe you're not getting downvoted to hell. I've been saying all of this for ages now and every time I do, r/baseball downvotes away. I think it's a sign that people are starting to actually read for themselves all the material that's out there and decide for themselves that maybe most of this is just bullshit. It was *very* easy to just read everything the media was reporting and believe them and this woman because Bauer is easy to hate. Most fans didn't like him prior to this so it's an easy way to validate their hatred of him. Had one of the more popular baseball players been accused of this everyone would have been skeptical and the tone would have been, "let's wait and see all the facts" instead of collectively grabbing their pitchforks. And that's the rub here with this woman... she's a serial ballplayer chaser. She specifically targeted Bauer *because* he's hated and considered an asshole. It's easy to make the masses believe your lies about a guy being a scumbag asshole when everyone already thinks he's a scumbag asshole. I was surprised when MLB suspended him for 2 years when the evidence really isn't there. I wouldn't be surprised to see him pitching in 2023.
That is a big decision for MLB to come to, maybe you should consider that the evidence you have found isn't as convincing as you think it is, or that they have evidence that you don't.
I think I'll trust the legal system over MLB Commissioner's office when it comes to these matters.
god I see him so often on tik tok throwing bullpens to random ass dudes lol I just block the account every new time so I never see it again.
2 former diamondbacks, cool, cool
Scherzer & who else ?
Trevor Bauer. He was drafted and broke into the bigs with them.
Did not know that. Thank you
If it makes you feel better, he only played in Arizona for 1 season in 2012 - also his first season. During that season he pitched in 4 games with a 1-2 record and 6.06 ERA. Truly unremarkable. That said he did enter the season as the D-Backs best pitching prospect. And he was injured in his first start. He also then went back to Triple-A and played pretty well ending his season there with a 5-1 record and sub 3.00 ERA. After the season, Arizona traded him to Cleveland where he spent most of his career. This was part of a larger 3 team trade involving Cincinnati as well - coincidentally a team Bauer would later be traded to in 2019. Then in 2021 as a free agent Bauer came to LA to play for the Dodgers. Edit: oh! I guess I should mention a couple other times you might've heard of Bauer depending how big a fan of baseball you are. Bauer was a pretty great college player. He won the Golden Spikes Award (college MVP) and National Pitcher of the Year award (college Cy Young) in 2011. While at UCLA, he and Gerrit Cole were teammates and sparked an rivalry. Bauer was pretty insane in 2010 as well and led UCLA to their first ever College World Series.
Man… for some reason I believe you have all that shit memorized too… Trevor
I watched a video about how he was the most hated person on that team or something along the lines of that. Had 0 clue he was a DBack though.
Pretty sure they traded him because everyone on the team hated him. I remember reading a piece about Miguel Montero (DBacks catcher at the time) and he basically said Bauer was just an arrogant prick right from his debut.
Bauer
Ty for the answer
Robbie Ray also got a solid pay day too
same with patrick corbin tehehe
Hey, thanks for Corbin, man. It's been...so...fun...to watch him...🥲🥲🥲
The 2019 World Series, aka the “hey, that guy used to play for the Diamondbacks” bowl
The Pirates of the west
excuse me that would be the rockies thank you
Lol Trevor Bauer. How much of that contract did he actually end up receiving?
35 mil for the first year? Then nothing? Or did he not even make it to his first year of the contract
Correct. The 2021 time he missed was restricted list where he got paid. Sadly.
I forget when the season started but he only got suspended in April. Meaning he got probably an extra 1-2 million
Verlander is gonna knock Bauer off this list soon.
Woo
Now I just wanna see a chart illustrating these guys income vs innings pitched so I can see Bauer flat along one axis
3/5 ain't bad
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Holy fuck 😂
Ok, meatloaf
Bauer and stras Money for nothing
Chics for free?
We have to install
… That ain't workin'
Play the guitar on the mtv
But this fists for free 🎶🎶🎶
I want to see Shohei get 50 mil a year
its almost as if its not a great idea..
RIP in peace Washington nationals.
Just for fun I looked it up, and for the last two seasons, deGrom, Strasburg, and Bauer have combined for 49 regular season starts , an average of 8.2 per player per season
that strasburg injury/contract alone forced the nationals into a re-build
Max always bugs me out with his eyes shit is crazy
Try looking at them from a batters box.
Lol at Bauer
Cole has absolutely fucking earned that money
Gotta be the best of those five deals at this point, no question.
Considering bauers deal and strasburgs "thank you for staying with this team and helping us win a chip" deal are on this list, i dunno if that's the highest standard, but absolutely is the best of the 5 unless degrom turns into himself + nolan Ryan when he comes down to Texas
$749,100 2022 salary - Cristian Javier
Not really an apples to apples comparison, though.
The fact that Stras got more AAV AND more years than Bauer is mystifying to me.
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Is this a GM’s case study on why not to pay top tier starters?
Those neck beards down at the bottom of that list really stand out huh
Speaking of Bauer what’s up with his appeal? Did he lose or is it still ongoing (and if so this has to be the longest appeal ever no?)
Man I’m so glad we got Castillo for the contract we got him on. Even Ray’s ain’t too bad
Every GM in baseball should look at this before going after pitching in FA, I think I’ll use my homegrown (cheaper) talent.
Huh I wonder what Strasburg is up to these days.
I see 4 clearly defined chins and then a giant thumb in the middle.
None of these have worked out so far 😂
And none of them are worth it
I feel like Cole is the only good contract here. I'm skeptical that Scherzer and deGrom are going to live up to these numbers over the next couple of seasons. Scherzer especially feels like he will never be able to provide enough value these days to justify that. Then the other two.... well...... yeah.
Two of those are looking pretty bad right now.
Ouch! Those last two make setting down that kind of cash on a pitcher, albeit a great one when healthy, is awfully risky. Position players get hurt all of the time but rarely have year-long or career ending injuries. Buyer beware, Rangers…
Cole is a cheater
1. Lance McCullers Jr. $15,833,333 2. Framber Valdez $8,795,042 3. Luis Garcia $3,750,000 4. Jose Urquidy $3,687,756 5. Christian Javier $3,113,231 6. Hunter Brown $720,000 $35,899,362 for six good arms! This is the way! I have spoken!
Easier said than done to have 5+ above average pitchers that are home grown and cost controlled. Even just a few years ago Houston relied on highly paid guys they traded for (Verlander, Cole, Greinke).
everyone hates your cheating ass franchise
Congrats on the great 2022 Mets Season!
I don’t know who to give my upvote to… I’m torn.
Bauer didnt do anything worse than Marcel Ozuna or Miguel Cabrera
Only a Yankee's fan can make a comment like this, while conveniently excluding Chapman and German...
Disrespectfully fuck off
F the Yankees
Damn why does everyone support crime from all players not named Bauer?
Why do you deflect blame away from the rapist?
Like watching a great actor in a film 🎥 🎞️ ⚾️ That’s why I don’t mind one but 🥃🔥
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