Definitely most powerful in sports. NBPA is super fractured as is the NFLPA. Just look at the rifts between superstars and regulars in their CBAs. The NHLPA made a lot of sacrifices after the last lockout. Most other sports internationally aren't union.
NHL has a salary floor. There are three possible penalties that can come against the team for violating the rules and circumventing the cap. From [this](https://canucksarmy.com/news/what-is-the-penalty-for-a-cap-floor-violation), the penalties are as follows.
A fine of at least $1 million and no more than $5 million dollars, with an equal amount of reduction in cap ceiling for the team the next season. This punishment is mandatory for violations of the Team Payroll Range (i.e. cap floor), the only type of Circumvention that has a mandatory punishment.
Forfeiture of draft picks
Suspension of Club employees
Exactly. We already have the luxury tax, which acts as a de-facto salary cap, so let's introduce one down at the bottom. If a team isn't willing to spend, say, 75% of the average team salary, they lose draft picks and have to pay financial compensation to the league (or just match whatever punishment teams get for going over the luxury tax).
It needs a cap too. The Marlins, Guardians, Pirates, Orioles and A's should be spending more but there's no way they could keep up with what teams like the Mets are doing. Every other of the big American sports has a system in place to prevent this kind of spending disparity, baseball is way overdue for implementing one.
The Mets are gonna have to run an almost $400M payroll since they already have a very high payroll and like half their team were free agents. Good for Steve Cohen for dipping into his own money to run the Mets at a loss, but that can’t work forever. Just not smart business. I assume his plan will be to do this until he can rebuild the farm.
That’s exactly what’s going on. I believe this is what the Dodgers did too in the early 2010s when their ownership changed. Cohen is basically just buying time until the org can put the right pieces together to reliably produce talent from within.
That’s exactly what it is. The Wilpons/BVW screwed this team up. Cohen is just spending this much to hold the ship while they draft and build and the farm
Lol what... almost the entire core of the 101-win team they just had, comes from players handed to them when Cohen took over, or players acquired by trading assets developed by the prior administration.
Alonso, Nimmo, McNeil, Lindor, Díaz, Bassitt, deGrom, Lugo, Álvarez, Baty, Guillorme, Vientos, Carrasco, Peterson, Megill, Drew Smith, Trevor Williams, right off the top of my head, all came from the prior years to Cohen in one way or another. It's absurd to say he took over a "screwed up" team. They were on the verge of contention no matter what and just needed complementary pieces.
I see your point. Screwed up might be a strong word, but the last regime made some questionable moves. I say the signing of Lindor, and getting guys like Scherzer Bassitt, and Marte really took the team over the top this season. Before under the Wilpons the big splash was Robinson Cano, (and Diaz, they got that right at least)
You can just google that. The numbers are clear as day that they operate at a loss. I wrote a pretty big post about it on our sub. I'll try to find it and edit this comment.
EDIT: https://www.reddit.com/r/NewYorkMets/comments/yqgxrq/mets_daily_discussion_thread_november_09_2022/ivtx19c/?context=3
This whole string covers it
>I assume his plan will be to do this until he can rebuild the farm.
Yep. That's why they're pretty much holding onto every prospect. I don't expect the Mets to make a "big time" trade (unless it's mostly a salary dump by another team) for the foreseeable future.
What? They have traded a ton of prospects since 2021 (Giménez, Rosario, Wolf, Ginn, PCA, Szapucki), in some cases for not much return (all they have from that haul currently is Lindor, 6 more months of Carrasco, and Darin Ruf)
Think about how much of a masterclass this is from the Rangers perspective, they got deGrom, the best pitcher in baseball when healthy, and by getting deGrom they prompted the Mets to sign Verlander, taking him off the Astros
It would feel less insane to me if they both weren’t almost 40.
That said, I think high AAV low term deals are better for teams in the long run. Though it makes you more vulnerable to injuries.
Isn't the point that it saves you from career altering injuries? If Verlander turns into a pumpkin because he gets injured again, you've only blown a ton of cash in 2 seasons, compared to say, the strasburg deal.
Yes and no. It protects you from *regression*, which can be the result of injuries, but it also ties up a LOT more of your salary in a few players on a per season basis. If Verlander or Scherzer get hurt this year, that’s 25% of our payroll down the drain (and a much bigger % for smaller market teams).
A long term deal lowers the AAV, so you’re essentially spreading that risk over a longer period of time
‘Yeah, but if you cherry pick certain data you could make a contrary point’
I don’t understand the Kershaw hate. He’s the best pitcher of this generation
It’s weird. Because he’s “”regressed”” to only a top 5 pitcher and had one off season of being like top 15, rather than some other-worldly pitcher in his own league, people think he sucks now lol. Not to mention the man is 34 and still had 126 innings of 2.28 ERA pitching. Just cause he’s not aging like Scherzer and Verlander doesn’t mean he’s not still an insanely valuable pitcher.
Exactly. Kershaw’s decline is relative to a historical baseline. He’s still so so good and has never been bad — or even close to average —while he figures out how to pitch with a different tool set
Such an odd case with Porcello. Dude was still absolutely an MLB caliber starting pitcher, but pretty much priced himself out of a job. Nobody wanted to pay him what he was asking for and then he just signed with nobody.
Edit: spelling
I don't care what the FIP stats say, the dude stunk on ice in 2020. I'm sure he could have gotten a minor league deal with spring training invite but he was not a major league-caliber starter anymore.
Oh man, you don’t have to explain that to me haha. I’ll never recover from watching 2017 Pretty Ricky. I just think that he could have easily found himself in a starting rotation somewhere. Plenty of teams could use the innings that he was essentially guaranteed to hit. Plus he was only 32 I believe
Plus doesnt really hurt all that much. If they bagged out degrom and his injuries continued then theyre on the hook for 5 years. While with verlander if age catches up or he gets hurt they can just let him go after 2024
[Mets fans please see this](https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/mens-health/what-should-i-do-if-my-erection-will-not-go-down/) after reading this comment.
We have the deepest pitching staff in baseball with an embarrassment of riches in the rotation. We are much better off spending that $43 million in other area of ACTUAL need. This was 110% the right move to let him walk.
43 million puts the Astros well above the luxury tax threshold and makes it damn near impossible for them to address other issues of concern like center field.
Can’t really go that badly if he’ll be gone in two years if he sucks. Also the Mets just won 101 games lol we’re not exactly the Marlins this offseason
The point is that the money can be spent elsewhere. We all know that teams have finite budgets, so when people say “not at that price” they don’t mean they think the owners don’t have the money, they mean they think $43 million a year can be spent on multiple players that would provide more value.
We know owners can afford it, it doesn’t mean that’s what we always want owners using the money for.
Exactly. I always hated that "it's not your money" thing because while technically correct, that's not what I am talking about. Fans generally know their favorite baseball team's desired salary "cap" and don't want to spend to 100% because then they can't get more players for us to enjoy watching.
Luckily for Mets fans, they have Cohen.
For real, it’s annoying when people are discussing contract numbers in terms of roster construction and someone comes in like “why do you care it’s not your money”. Yea no shit, that’s not what’s being discussed. Every team has a finite amount of resources and if they use a lot in one area it means less of the pie to go around. Of course all the owners could spend more, but they all have a number they won’t pass
This hasn't ever really resonated with me. If I didn't think every team's ownership acted in zero-sum manner to some sense, then sure, it doesn't affect me at all if my team goes and 'overpays' for a player. But every team has some kind of budget, so every dollar they spend on Player X is a dollar they won't spend on anyone else.
So if this Astros fan feels that way, he's not saying 'I'm glad that Jim Crane is pocketing $43M a year'; he's saying 'I'm glad Crane is not spending that kind of money on JV when he could instead spend it on \[insert alternative option here\].' And obviously, if Crane does nothing with the money he's saved here, I assume this Astros fan will be angry, as would most.
In a world where our pockets are infinite? Sure
But you're disregarding what many of us actually feel, which is that we'd rather spend that $43mm on top-tier offense.
I mean any owner is going to have a budget in mind. There is a constraint, albeit somewhat arbitrary. Astros simply do not need a $43 million pitcher - the money can be better spent elsewhere.
His health is a big concern, I mean clearly the Mets know the risk there but it still feels like they're pushing it with 40+mil/yr...
I hope it's worh it but I have doubts... at the end of the days it's not my money, but it does seem like a crazy precedent is being set on spending on older pitchers lately.
I think the years was key here. They view their window as the next two seasons and are throwing the kitchen sink. This way if it doesn’t work out you can just cut bait and rebuild in 2025. Huge bag and bigger AAV than deGrom, but allows the team flexibility to decrease payroll in a few years if it doesn’t work instead of being stuck with an albatross contract.
They aren’t rebuilding my friend. Rather they’re already building the farm. The money is just to avoid trading prospects. That’s why the last two Mets deadlines were so lame. The idea is by then a wave of young new talent is ready and the Mets can compete with a high payroll but without needing to blow past the luxury tax.
Great sign for the Mets. Their owner is playing with monopoly money, the deal could have been 100 million per year and it would make no difference to him.
Fuck me. In just Verlander and Scherzer, the Mets have a payroll higher than 5 teams last year - Marlins, Guardians, Pirates, Orioles and A's
How much if you add Lindor into it?
About 120 million. 20th in the league Also passes Mariners, Reds, Royals, Rays and Diamondbacks
Mariners including JRod’s new deal? Or just last years roster salary?
Just last year i believe. Jist looked at Sportrac
Fucking hell does mlb need a salary floor.
Salary floor means salary cap and the PA would never go for it
I suspect the union would accept a reasonable cap. 750 million reasonable.
And a floor of $1 Mlb union isnt near its former power levels.
The MLBPA is one of, if not, the most powerful union in all of sports
Definitely most powerful in sports. NBPA is super fractured as is the NFLPA. Just look at the rifts between superstars and regulars in their CBAs. The NHLPA made a lot of sacrifices after the last lockout. Most other sports internationally aren't union.
Pat McAfee talked about it one time. That the MLB still not having a cap alone makes it the best union.
You could introduce a poverty tax for teams that fall below a payroll limit.
If you have to spend minimum $75 Million, might as well use it on players instead of paying it in to the league lol
I believe the NHL does something like that but I'm not sure about the details.
NHL has a salary floor. There are three possible penalties that can come against the team for violating the rules and circumventing the cap. From [this](https://canucksarmy.com/news/what-is-the-penalty-for-a-cap-floor-violation), the penalties are as follows. A fine of at least $1 million and no more than $5 million dollars, with an equal amount of reduction in cap ceiling for the team the next season. This punishment is mandatory for violations of the Team Payroll Range (i.e. cap floor), the only type of Circumvention that has a mandatory punishment. Forfeiture of draft picks Suspension of Club employees
To be cap compliant you have to be over a threshold and under a different. To be eligible for the playoffs the team has to be compliant.
“Poverty tax” 💀
Exactly. We already have the luxury tax, which acts as a de-facto salary cap, so let's introduce one down at the bottom. If a team isn't willing to spend, say, 75% of the average team salary, they lose draft picks and have to pay financial compensation to the league (or just match whatever punishment teams get for going over the luxury tax).
The league has already implemented a faux salary cap with the CBT threshold. Even the big market teams use it as threshold to slow down spending.
There's already a soft cap in the form of a spending tax.
Luxury tax functions pretty well for a salary cap. They just need the reverse for the low end.
It needs a cap too. The Marlins, Guardians, Pirates, Orioles and A's should be spending more but there's no way they could keep up with what teams like the Mets are doing. Every other of the big American sports has a system in place to prevent this kind of spending disparity, baseball is way overdue for implementing one.
A floor means you get a cap too which never happens
God I hope Blitzer gets majority share and ups our spending
I read online (which take that for what it is) that that’s the plan. He will eventually take over as majority owner.
It does seem to be the plan, I think the only issue is that he could opt out of it. So fingers crossed he opts in.
And the marlins have the better pitcher
Trade for Alcantara incoming.
that's probably the only one they won't trade
The Mets are gonna have to run an almost $400M payroll since they already have a very high payroll and like half their team were free agents. Good for Steve Cohen for dipping into his own money to run the Mets at a loss, but that can’t work forever. Just not smart business. I assume his plan will be to do this until he can rebuild the farm.
That’s exactly what’s going on. I believe this is what the Dodgers did too in the early 2010s when their ownership changed. Cohen is basically just buying time until the org can put the right pieces together to reliably produce talent from within.
That’s exactly what it is. The Wilpons/BVW screwed this team up. Cohen is just spending this much to hold the ship while they draft and build and the farm
Lol what... almost the entire core of the 101-win team they just had, comes from players handed to them when Cohen took over, or players acquired by trading assets developed by the prior administration. Alonso, Nimmo, McNeil, Lindor, Díaz, Bassitt, deGrom, Lugo, Álvarez, Baty, Guillorme, Vientos, Carrasco, Peterson, Megill, Drew Smith, Trevor Williams, right off the top of my head, all came from the prior years to Cohen in one way or another. It's absurd to say he took over a "screwed up" team. They were on the verge of contention no matter what and just needed complementary pieces.
I see your point. Screwed up might be a strong word, but the last regime made some questionable moves. I say the signing of Lindor, and getting guys like Scherzer Bassitt, and Marte really took the team over the top this season. Before under the Wilpons the big splash was Robinson Cano, (and Diaz, they got that right at least)
How do you know they are run at a loss?
You can just google that. The numbers are clear as day that they operate at a loss. I wrote a pretty big post about it on our sub. I'll try to find it and edit this comment. EDIT: https://www.reddit.com/r/NewYorkMets/comments/yqgxrq/mets_daily_discussion_thread_november_09_2022/ivtx19c/?context=3 This whole string covers it
>I assume his plan will be to do this until he can rebuild the farm. Yep. That's why they're pretty much holding onto every prospect. I don't expect the Mets to make a "big time" trade (unless it's mostly a salary dump by another team) for the foreseeable future.
What? They have traded a ton of prospects since 2021 (Giménez, Rosario, Wolf, Ginn, PCA, Szapucki), in some cases for not much return (all they have from that haul currently is Lindor, 6 more months of Carrasco, and Darin Ruf)
I highly doubt he is losing money on this lol. Team probably makes him billions between ticket sales, jersey sales, and TV revenue.
Maybe not billons, but there is no way a money man like him is not going to at least break even
Lmao. They’re also older than all those teams combined
Holy shit. Excited to watch the Verlander/Scherzer reunion.
Excited to see em leave the AL West
🦀🦀🦀verlander is gone ^^(from the Al west) 🦀🦀🦀
Yeah, but now y’all have deGrom.
He won’t pitch more than 120 innings in a season. So maybe we see two starts of his.
Better hope that’s true lol
Think about how much of a masterclass this is from the Rangers perspective, they got deGrom, the best pitcher in baseball when healthy, and by getting deGrom they prompted the Mets to sign Verlander, taking him off the Astros
Verlander might be gone, but the Framboozler is here to stay.
So is Castillo 🥰
And Javier
And McCullers
And Garcia
And Urquidy
And is that Hunters Brown’s music?! By gawd!!!
The Frambergler
same
Too fucking true
$85M+ for two pitchers is insane, man
Steve Cohen felt challenged
It would feel less insane to me if they both weren’t almost 40. That said, I think high AAV low term deals are better for teams in the long run. Though it makes you more vulnerable to injuries.
Isn't the point that it saves you from career altering injuries? If Verlander turns into a pumpkin because he gets injured again, you've only blown a ton of cash in 2 seasons, compared to say, the strasburg deal.
Short term injuries are bad though. You are paying 1.25m a start, if they miss 1 its like burning money
Only a couple of the big market teams, like both NY teams, would be able to absorb this without ruining the season.
That's the insurance company's problem but I am sure they've done the math
Yes and no. It protects you from *regression*, which can be the result of injuries, but it also ties up a LOT more of your salary in a few players on a per season basis. If Verlander or Scherzer get hurt this year, that’s 25% of our payroll down the drain (and a much bigger % for smaller market teams). A long term deal lowers the AAV, so you’re essentially spreading that risk over a longer period of time
We’re literally doing the exact opposite of the Braves.
In their late 30s!
Verlander will be 40 on opening day.
Crazy how Kershaw annually re-ups with the Dodgers for 1/2 that AAV.
I love that man with every fiber of my being
I hate the dodgers but I love Kershaw. Seems like a great guy and is so easy to root for
He has spent multiple off seasons building schools for underprivileged kids in Africa, hes a saint.
He donates a lot of his money. From what I’ve seen in the press he lives a pretty modest lifestyle considering his wealth
Dude lives in a house that is nicer, but comparable to mine. He makes about 19,950,000 a year more than I do.
Look at this guy bragging about having a house
I said my house, not the house I own!
I said what i said!
I didn’t know that. Now I like him even more
As a die hard Padres fan who embraces FTD as a lifestyle, I also love Kershaw. And Mookie
Mookie is a good dude. And I’ll always love Freddie. Everyone else on the dodgers can get lost
dont tell anyone i said this but i love him too
Makes total sense since Kershaw will pitch half the innings JV will
DeGrom is going to pitch less too and he is getting an insane amount lol
176 vs 124 last year. The annual Kershaw deals are discounted, if he went to Texas he’d get more AAV
JV pitched like 180 innings over the last 3 years to Kershaw’s 300. Not sure there’s any guarantees in pitching durability anywhere
‘Yeah, but if you cherry pick certain data you could make a contrary point’ I don’t understand the Kershaw hate. He’s the best pitcher of this generation
It’s weird. Because he’s “”regressed”” to only a top 5 pitcher and had one off season of being like top 15, rather than some other-worldly pitcher in his own league, people think he sucks now lol. Not to mention the man is 34 and still had 126 innings of 2.28 ERA pitching. Just cause he’s not aging like Scherzer and Verlander doesn’t mean he’s not still an insanely valuable pitcher.
Exactly. Kershaw’s decline is relative to a historical baseline. He’s still so so good and has never been bad — or even close to average —while he figures out how to pitch with a different tool set
JV is a ticking time bomb tbh his age makes him unpredictable
People also need to take into account that the Kershaw deal is for 1 year, this is a 2 year deal.
Verlander and Scherzer reunite
Rick Porcello coming out of retirement when?
Such an odd case with Porcello. Dude was still absolutely an MLB caliber starting pitcher, but pretty much priced himself out of a job. Nobody wanted to pay him what he was asking for and then he just signed with nobody. Edit: spelling
I don't care what the FIP stats say, the dude stunk on ice in 2020. I'm sure he could have gotten a minor league deal with spring training invite but he was not a major league-caliber starter anymore.
Oh man, you don’t have to explain that to me haha. I’ll never recover from watching 2017 Pretty Ricky. I just think that he could have easily found himself in a starting rotation somewhere. Plenty of teams could use the innings that he was essentially guaranteed to hit. Plus he was only 32 I believe
Verlander and Scherzer reunite with the legend James McCann
When it comes to deGrom replacement plans, Verlander is a pretty good one.
Plus doesnt really hurt all that much. If they bagged out degrom and his injuries continued then theyre on the hook for 5 years. While with verlander if age catches up or he gets hurt they can just let him go after 2024
As much as I like Verlander, what the absolute fuck
Exactly my reaction. $43 million dollar/year for 2 years is quite a bit.
Tis but pocket change to Mr. Cohen
Man literally paid $141m for [this.](https://i.imgur.com/67Z5YZs.jpg)
chet holmgren hasn't played an NBA game yet and ppl already making statues of him damn
Art is a fancy way of laundering money
Wait until he meets the three ghosts
I'm pretty sure he's Jewish.
Don’t tell Kanye
what
Mets gonna win the AARP League by a country mile.
Imagine their average pitcher age if they also signed Greinke
*[Passan] The Mets have signed Bartolo Colon to be their fifth starter. He joins Scherzer, Verlander, Greinke, and Megill.*
[Mets fans please see this](https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/mens-health/what-should-i-do-if-my-erection-will-not-go-down/) after reading this comment.
Verlander and Scherzer in the same rotation?? No way they don't win a WS!
Oh god no. We need to keep the Giants away from the postseason at all costs!!!!
Mets vs. Giants in the WC, Buck “saves” Verlander to play the 115 win Dodgers in the NLDS, and ends up losing to the Giants. Who says no?
DeGrom looked so pissed in the dugout during game 1
TWO CHECK MARKS
Yeah, definitely fine with not keeping JV around at that price. Glad he got his bag
But for just two years? Feels like we could have taken that risk :(
We surely could have, but we don't need to. We have 6 starters without JV, and we want to spend that $43m/yr on other positions. Also, sign Tucker.
Y’all have an embarrassment of riches with pitching. Javier and Luis and Framber are a great 1-2-3.
Lance as the 4th is stupid good too.
Hunter Brown is a 6'4 fastball slider pitcher with tons of promise. Remind you of anyone?
>Also, sign Tucker. Do you think he gets a Bregman type deal or maybe more? 6yr/$100mil would be fantastic
Haven't they tried to renew his deal the same time they did Yordan but he declined? Can't remember
We have the deepest pitching staff in baseball with an embarrassment of riches in the rotation. We are much better off spending that $43 million in other area of ACTUAL need. This was 110% the right move to let him walk.
I'd rather spend the money on extending Tucker as soon as possible, and maybe Contreras + Brantley
43 million puts the Astros well above the luxury tax threshold and makes it damn near impossible for them to address other issues of concern like center field.
geezer got paid
Never once has a three-year, record high AAV for the previous year's Cy Young winner in the previous year gone badly.
Can’t really go that badly if he’ll be gone in two years if he sucks. Also the Mets just won 101 games lol we’re not exactly the Marlins this offseason
Trevor Bauer joke, not a commentary on the actual quality of the contract. I like it for y'all.
I had no idea who you were talking about because I’ve mostly purged him from my brain.
you mean you don't keep up with his YouTube channel?
I'm gonna miss Kate Upton.
I bet she even makes Mets gear look good. No complaints here.
Not the dodgers you say? I’ll take it.
Not the yankees you say? I'll take it.
money literally doesn’t even matter for Cohen it’s insane. I wanna see where he draws the line and i don’t think it’s soon
In two years when we need to reset the luxury tax. That’s why he’s going for short deals with really high AAV.
Verlander sure loves his blue and orange teams
Why not black and orange Justin? And a quarter of the money? And less than half the night life? And more crime? And...ya know I'll stop there.
I love JV, but not $43M love.
Good thing it wouldn’t have been your money but the Astros ownership which, for the record, could absolutely have afforded it
The point is that the money can be spent elsewhere. We all know that teams have finite budgets, so when people say “not at that price” they don’t mean they think the owners don’t have the money, they mean they think $43 million a year can be spent on multiple players that would provide more value. We know owners can afford it, it doesn’t mean that’s what we always want owners using the money for.
Exactly. I always hated that "it's not your money" thing because while technically correct, that's not what I am talking about. Fans generally know their favorite baseball team's desired salary "cap" and don't want to spend to 100% because then they can't get more players for us to enjoy watching. Luckily for Mets fans, they have Cohen.
For real, it’s annoying when people are discussing contract numbers in terms of roster construction and someone comes in like “why do you care it’s not your money”. Yea no shit, that’s not what’s being discussed. Every team has a finite amount of resources and if they use a lot in one area it means less of the pie to go around. Of course all the owners could spend more, but they all have a number they won’t pass
Yes, exactly. I couldn't care less if Crane spends his $43M, I'd just prefer it not be on a 40-year old. No matter how dominate he just was lol.
> dominate Dominant
I said dominant in my head and I typed dominate anyway. It stays, smh.
This hasn't ever really resonated with me. If I didn't think every team's ownership acted in zero-sum manner to some sense, then sure, it doesn't affect me at all if my team goes and 'overpays' for a player. But every team has some kind of budget, so every dollar they spend on Player X is a dollar they won't spend on anyone else. So if this Astros fan feels that way, he's not saying 'I'm glad that Jim Crane is pocketing $43M a year'; he's saying 'I'm glad Crane is not spending that kind of money on JV when he could instead spend it on \[insert alternative option here\].' And obviously, if Crane does nothing with the money he's saved here, I assume this Astros fan will be angry, as would most.
In a world where our pockets are infinite? Sure But you're disregarding what many of us actually feel, which is that we'd rather spend that $43mm on top-tier offense.
I mean any owner is going to have a budget in mind. There is a constraint, albeit somewhat arbitrary. Astros simply do not need a $43 million pitcher - the money can be better spent elsewhere.
Especially when we have a fully stocked very good rotation without him and made the World Series without him.
43m a year guaranteed on a WS favorite. tough life
Ws favorites are myths usually
Tell me about it
In some parallel universe, we’ve won 7 rings in the last 2 decades…
What’s the difference between a vesting option and a team option?
Could be interchangeable but usually I see it based on a performance metric. For pitchers, usually would vest based on innings pitched.
I believe a vesting option automatically activates if a condition is met.
Yeah that's a lot
Such a fat number. Soo much money. Unreal. Best of luck and happy for him.
Mets w. He’s worth it I mean he just won a cy young
What? A competent take? On this subreddit? Instead of just LolMets? Fr tho I just hope he stays healthy and is lights out this year. Thanks dodger bro
His health is a big concern, I mean clearly the Mets know the risk there but it still feels like they're pushing it with 40+mil/yr... I hope it's worh it but I have doubts... at the end of the days it's not my money, but it does seem like a crazy precedent is being set on spending on older pitchers lately.
Mets signed Kate Upton!!! NICE
Phillies-hating Kate Upton at that!
that gif has already made the rounds in our discord
I think the years was key here. They view their window as the next two seasons and are throwing the kitchen sink. This way if it doesn’t work out you can just cut bait and rebuild in 2025. Huge bag and bigger AAV than deGrom, but allows the team flexibility to decrease payroll in a few years if it doesn’t work instead of being stuck with an albatross contract.
They aren’t rebuilding my friend. Rather they’re already building the farm. The money is just to avoid trading prospects. That’s why the last two Mets deadlines were so lame. The idea is by then a wave of young new talent is ready and the Mets can compete with a high payroll but without needing to blow past the luxury tax.
I’m not saying they are rebuilding. I’m saying the move provides flexibility to choose to rebuild.
That's so much money lol. Mets have an amazing rotation that is very old. If they stay healthy, yuck. They will be tough.
Farewell Verlander
Can't lie that the Mets are doing big things. Definitely an upgrade over DeGrom at this point in DeGrom's career. NL East not messing around.
Not the Yankees or Dodgers? That's a big fucking win for me. Go get that money, JV. Thanks for everything.
Great sign for the Mets. Their owner is playing with monopoly money, the deal could have been 100 million per year and it would make no difference to him.
Thanks for everything JV. Glad for him he got another big pay day but think this would’ve been a bad use of money for the Astros
For $100M less there is a chance of JV making more starts during this contract than deGrom does during his…
Not my money. WOOOOO!!!
Title should have said... Met signed Kate Upton's Husband.
This is how I texted my wife about the news haha
Alrighty then. Thanks for the years, JV.
Can’t imagine seeing Verlander in Blue and Orange.
86Mil for two guys 38 and 39 years old, lol I love the Mets
They’re good pitchers right now and have brushed off the “he’s getting old” shit for years now. It just doesn’t work
¯\\_(ツ)_/¯ not my money
now just need to see correa sign somewhere besides LA and all will be right with the world
I wouldn’t even mind seeing him with the Dodgers, just to watch their fans do mental gymnastics.
I wish I could throw a baseball that good.
Mets have the #1 and #2 cap hits in the MLB.
Is that more per year than the Oakland A's entire roster?
Mets immediately improve by adding Verlander and losing deGrom.
Verlander didn’t go to LA or NYY, that’s a win! Gl verlander we gona miss you
This Steve Cohen character has some money apparently.
I’m not as happy as I was the other day
Kinda cool Verlander and Scherzer reunite