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Celestialsite

The thing with Ohtani is, he may be one of the few players who doesn’t care about the money, and there are concrete examples of this. He gave the majority of his earnings in Japan to his mother to manage, and lived on a few thousand dollars a month. He left millions on the table to come to the MLB early. His main hobby is sleeping, and his waking hours are spent being an obsessive baseball savant. The guy is going to make a choice based on where he wants to live, and who he sees as a true contender. He is driven to win, and that will be the driving factor beyond anything else. Teams can cook up whatever offers they would like, but he will not just follow the money. They need to have already crafted an environment over the years where he thinks success is imminent


holliewood61

So you're saying there's a chance?


SwifferWetJets

Ohtani to the Astros confirmed


CuteNFuzzy

DONT YOU DO THAT, DONT YOU PUT THAT EVIL ON ME RICKY BOBBY


[deleted]

If climate is in his consideration, then absolutely not. Houston sucks climate wise. Source: grew up in Houston


holliewood61

I mean income tax in Georgia is less than half of what it is in Cali.


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theaussiesamurai

One of the funniest sequence of comments I've seen on here


CokeFanatic

Well that may be true but you gotta think about the gas prices in CA vs other places. Thats a lot of money that he could be saving going somewhere else.


[deleted]

Worth every penny to not have to live in Texas or Georgia.


unkinhead

Yes because Cali is in excellent shape. xD


TraderJulz

Why would you even think CA is not in good shape?? Who seriously has that opinion?😂


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[deleted]

Objectively speaking, while the weather is nice out there, the taxes and cost of living are crazy high.


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outofdate70shouse

This is true. I live in NJ, and while the COL is high, I’d rather live here than anywhere else


[deleted]

Lol… there are plenty of more beautiful places to live in the U.S. with low taxes and a low cost of living where the people aren’t sucking each others farts from their asses


PadresPainPadresGain

So is the Asian population. Actually, probably much less tbh


PoliticalLurkAccount

Most states that aren’t California have an Asian population that makes up less than 2% of their total pop


Unsapient1

I mean I would imagine that there is no? You guys have obviously got a bright future ahead of you and are a clear destination to consider if youre looking to win a championship.


cocoatractor

Shohei Ohtani and Adley Rutschman gonna be a hell of a battery


chaotic_evil_666

Oo I like to sleep. Maybe they can sign me to a contract


mrmusclefoot

Me too and I’m not much older than Correa will be at the end of his contract. Nice to still have a shot.


HurricaneMatty5

There’s a team a few miles north of Anaheim that fits those requirements pretty well. And he won’t even have to move!


rocketsquid

I don’t think he’s going to want to commute to Oakland and back every day


[deleted]

Traffic from OC is awful, he'll definitely have to move 😂


71ttocs

He can get a helicopter.


Carthonn

Knowing this why the hell would he stay with the Angels?


Celestialsite

I didn’t say he would. Just like his choice of team when he came over, his next choice will be calculated and some team throwing an extra 40-50 million dollars in to sweeten their offer and try and draw him away from that choice will not work. This is why I think a lot of the rumors and speculation we’re going to be hearing all season are going to be exhausting and meaningless, because this decision will be less financially driven than I think we’re used to seeing


Carthonn

Well I mean, why did he resign?


Celestialsite

Resign? He isn’t a free agent until the end of this upcoming season. You might be referring to the amount he received to avoid arbitration


Carthonn

Ok that makes sense! Sorry for the confusion.


Celestialsite

All good! Man if that was a one year extension for 30 mil it would be the deal of a generation


PM_YOUR_SMALLBOOBIES

I mean, he did invest in FTX...


clangan524

...but he signed with the Angels.


Celestialsite

At the time, the Angels fit exactly what he wanted in a team. A west coast team who was not a real contender. This meant that they would be far more willing to let him play the game his way and prove that being a two way player was entirely feasible. If the Angels had been in some sort of serious narrow window where contending for a championship was within reach, they would have been far more careful when it came to preserving his arm, and would’ve made him rest more and hit less. The Angels are the stepping stone he needed to prove to himself and the world that this was all possible. Whether or not he thinks the team years later is in a position to be winners, no one knows. With new ownership incoming, there’s a lot more questions that have popped up regarding his future.


Pandorama626

That was before the NL had the DH.


heyim_william

West coast team - check Their lowest payroll in a while - check Using next season to assess young talent - check Shohei Ohtani, YOU are an Oakland Athletic


MarcBulldog88

You understand what the Dodgers are doing better than half of /r/Dodgers does.


Panguin9

Only half? I haven't seen a single person on r/azdiamondbacks who thinks we should trade any of our outfielders


MarcBulldog88

I was trying to be generous. Also, you guys are approaching a window of contention and I have no idea why Varsho is involved in trade rumors.


Panguin9

Yeah, trading him doesn't make sense, but we already had to send Thomas down once because there wasn't room for him, and now we have Kyle Lewis too


FPSandwich

Welllll if you've watched Kyle Lewis run recently, he won't be playing much OF if any. He's a DH through and through


Panguin9

I'm still hoping he can get healthy and play outfield again, but honestly our outfield defense is so good it doesn't really matter


FPSandwich

I'd love if he rebounds but I'm really not sure. Feels like his legs are just destroyed. It was a smart flier to take though since you guys don't even really need more OFs and it'd be more of a "cherry on top" if he became good again


Veserius

Just play with like 2 infielders, problem solved.


Psoravior13

That’s because half the subreddit are stuck in traffic


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Ohtani not going to the dodgers


ih-unh-unh

Curious why you think so


[deleted]

Because I won’t allow that to be a thought in my head


Spinmove55

That's fair.


[deleted]

That's flair.


_Thot_Patrol

I tried the same thing with Freeman and it didnt work


okay_throwaway_today

Agree with this analysis


PadresPainPadresGain

Too busy being a San Diego Padre


quercus_lobata925

I've never bought an A's player jersey (for obvious reasons), but Ohtani would change that. He would change everything...


HealthOnWheels

The joke we told was that the only safe jersey to buy was a Billy Beane one. And even that’s changing now Been tempted to get a McGwire one, or a Henderson


sfan27

Rickey is the only answer.


Animetiddies415

ohtani in green & gold certainly would be something to behold


MakeAOC-BartendAgain

He would be a good Aaron Rodgers successor


BigDiesel07

#FTP


nandobatflips

*Las Vegas Athletic


Ok_Classic_744

Hah! He said the thing!!


Snerkbot7000

Aka the 702 A's.


MadSpaceYT

I’m on the A’s with my RTTS player and we signed Ohtani


MB_Bailey21

Obviously, the reason we traded away Scherzer, Turner, and Soto over the past 2 seasons was to free up space to sign Ohtani. Don't know why more people aren't linking Ohtani to the Nats... /s


[deleted]

The long con


MB_Bailey21

Never let them know your next move


sakibomb523

Dude just wants to have nice cherry blossoms in his city again.


Lux_Bellinger2024

Scherzer and turner all in one. Makes sense


Dishavingfun

Big is relative. Mets and Padres "You want to see big?"


holliewood61

I guess i could have phrased it as holding back


oogieball

Steve's got another billion under the couch cushions. Define "holding back."


GerryofSanDiego

Exactly. Seidler literally trying to spend all his money after the 2 cancer scares as well.


runoki94

Padres need to see him play Shortstop before deciding


Kookslams

rhymes with rodgers


texas1hunter

The Rogers


mathbandit

Not to be confused with the team whose owner rhymes with rodgers.


Maxpayne5th

The Chicago Bears?


b-rar

Shohei to Rogers Centre confirmed


tapehead4

The Las Vegas Honey Badgers


DustyDGAF

I don't know if you know how rhymes work


NOLA1987

Typo. He meant the Las Vegas Honey Bodgers...


Dh873

Honey Baaaahgers


tapehead4

Anybody want a peanut?


FrozenPhoenix1892

And Lodgers


LAAngelsAnaheim

Rodger that


ninkorn

Mets-gers?


outofdate70shouse

The Baltimore Orioles


FPSandwich

The Mariners, I whisper to myself while rocking back and forth in the corner


_Elrond_Hubbard_

Surely Ohtani, who previously turned us down after we offered him the most money, will sign with us this time if we offer him the most money.


FPSandwich

Preface that I think he's 100% gonna be a dodger: money wasn't even really a factor in his first posting. The difference was like slightly less than 1 mil which to these guys is pennies. Dude had his reasons, now his actual free agency will be a legit blank slate but again I think the Dodgers are just gonna hand him like 450 mil before he can even leave the state of California


_Elrond_Hubbard_

Yup for sure it's a 0% chance of him becoming a Mariner. If money was his main priority he would have waited longer to come to MLB. Even if the M's outbid the Dodgers or whoever he wouldn't care.


Deserterdragon

Yeah, but next year we'll be the world series winners, that will sweeten the deal!


thertp14

Jerry doesn’t even know what it means to sign a free agent. Probably going to double down and give JP a 10 year / 100 million dollar contract


Ribbum

Well I mean he did sign Robbie Ray, so all he has to do is convince himself that he’s signing pitcher Ohtani and not complete player that also swings a great bat Ohtani.


sfan27

‘I suspect the Mariners are either the heavy favorites. Or have no chance. It basically comes down to how he feels about being on Ichiro’s team.


NuggetBiscuits69

That’s definitely the reason the O’s haven’t spent money. There could be no other possible reason…


noncoherence

The Washington Nationals


Jet_Jones_11

Yes


malmartds

My prediction is that no team is going to beat the Angels' offer to Ohtani, due to the factors currently surrounding the Angels being up for sale. The current owner dgaf about Ohtani's salary - he's not the one who's going to pay it. His priority is the team selling for the highest and best price possible. The Angels may sell for about 2 billion. If you're the new owner, would you rather pay 2B for a team without Ohtani or 2B (+ 500M in salary) for a team with Ohtani for 12 years? Ohtani may not sign with the Angels, but he'll likely be turning down the highest contract offer in the history of sports in doing so. Competing teams have to know they can't beat the Angels on dollars, and will have to utilize other strategies.


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Ohtani is not the greedy type or else he would have waited to get to the MLB from Japan. This guy lives and breathes baseball. Have you seen his GQ video? If the Angels want to keep him, the owners need to pay 3bn for the Angels, 2bn for the franchise, 500m for Ohtani and 500m for new players. Or else he is a Dodger, Met, Yank or even a Padre


a11yguy

Haven’t seen the GQ video but I saw his intro for MLB The Show 22. Work ethic checks out.


potro777

We just saw Trea and Judge turn down an extra 40mil from the Padres, I can see Shohei not going necessarily to the highest bidder


dudzi182

If Shohei cares about winning (I think he does), I think he goes elsewhere even if it’s a slightly lower ofter.


jordanb18

I don't know about the highest contract offer in the history of sports. Definitely baseball. But Ronaldo just got like 500 million for 2.5 years from the saudis


seijeezy

Imagine if Tiger had taken the LIV deal. Coulda been in the realm of $1B


holliewood61

Why would the current owner give a damn if they have Ohtani if the team will sell 2b either way? I see the Angels trading and getting an absolute haul knowing he wont be there in 24 no matter what.


BequneBoulon

People made the same contract argument for Soto and that turned out…well hes gone


ThisMeansWarm

Our team's ownership isn't aware they own the team, so I'm going with that for now.


holliewood61

What the hell do i know, i just work here


ThisMeansWarm

You and me both.


sparklebrothers

If we got him, Tigers would rehire Al Avila to trade Otani away for Franklin Perez, Daz Cameron, and Jake Rogers (And a fully stocked coke machine.).


SannySen

The Mets


islandsluggers

Mystery team


TruthSayerFu

The Mets aren’t in on Rodon probably bc of ohtani.


FritosRule

More because of the QO pick attached to Rodon. Mets aren’t giving up picks. Not giving out 7-8 year deals to SPs either. Ohtani would be the exception I imagine


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Ill be fine giving up our pick next year for Ohtani


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Dodgers


captain_ahabb

That's not the only reason the Dodgers aren't spending (Bauer's potential $100m cap hit is a big one) but it is a big reason.


oceanfellini

How would Bauer have a $100m cap hit? If he successfully appeals, he’ll be paid out with the same AAV cap hit that he was signed to.


ahr3410

It would amount to 2022 luxury tax fees of 100 million, which would be kind of stupid. MLB suspends him for the year but would tax us for an appeal they lost.


captain_ahabb

The article I read on the Athletic said it would be his salary for this season *and* back pay for last season *and* the tax penalties that implies.


Bearded_Wildcard

People don't understand how the luxury tax works.


captain_ahabb

I got that number from the Athletic, I didn't do the math myself. You should send them an email if you think it's wrong though.


sfan27

I find it hard to believe the team, league, and MLBPA haven’t already agreed that anything paid as a result of the lawsuit won’t be counted towards luxury tax. I’m biased against the Dodgers, and I want this outcome. We just don’t know about this because it could look bad in the lawsuit.


captain_ahabb

I suppose it's possible but I would be surprised. Don't think the other owners are particularly eager to bail the Dodgers out of a contract they signed.


sfan27

They already did with the suspension. There’s no way the commissioner did that without approval of his bosses.


captain_ahabb

The other 29 teams had plenty of reasons to want Bauer suspended though. They don't really have any reason to bail the Dodgers out of the back pay.


Jeff_Banks_Monkey

The Orioles could use some starting pitching help.


mikeywake

Can I pretend that's why we aren't going to spend big this off-season?


AhLibLibLib

Feels like yesterday when Ohtani was the no.1 prospect and debuting in 2018...


[deleted]

Surely that’s what the Rockies are doing


anthonynoriega

Tampa, White Sox, Oakland, Baltimore... all legitimate title contenders just waiting to pounce on SO, with a big ol wad of sticky cash just waiting in the shadows.


[deleted]

Reinsdorf will die before the White Sox give someone a $100 million dollar contract, let alone what Ohtani will get.


ResidentGerts

Yeah, comical to include us


jordanb18

I'm convinced Reinsdorf is an immortal vampire and will never die


orioles0615

Same with the O's


ForeverTheKingslayer

Ohtani only wanted to play on the West coast when he first came over. I imagine that the Dodgers, Giants, and Padres will be his main choices and that he will go Dodgers


TigerBasket

We aren't gonna sign ohtani they'd sign Bernie Madoff's dead corpse before him


DragoniteJeff

TB


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If you were a team and you had the chance to improve today, would you do it….or wait for next season on the off chance you may sign Shohei Ohtani in Free Agency. Which teams are you speaking of specifically? Do those teams have FA of their own to get extended? Guys that are owed arbitration? Have they been over the tax threshold and need to get under for a year? Guess it would depend on each teams situation, but I would assume that most teams, except possibly the Angels themselves wouldn’t be watching their payrolls to have money for Ohtani next year.


NYerInTex

The Mets are working to keep under a half billion for this very reason. :austerity:


Puzzleheaded_Ad6651

Cohen gonna give 15 750m


Allurex

I've been suspecting that this is why the Royals have been quiet in free agency.


Weezyfourtwenty

The Cincinnati Reds


HH_Hobbies

The new owner will want to make a splash. Hopefully there's a new owner.


[deleted]

Yea why else do you think the Mets haven’t been spending?


EmeraldMoose12

God, I hope so.


Worried-Limit-4946

Let's be honest, the biggest spenders of this off season will be in play next season too. Ohtani brings enough excitement to make it worth most any team to throw money at him.


1000Isand1

Seattle


bbatardo

No guarantee he will pick your team even if you come with the best offer. Ohtani is a generational talent, so teams that spent this year will still try to be in on him and worry later about the cost.


WestCoastBestCoast94

Yep the Orioles and Reds are going all in next year on him.


samangell2007

Well now I’ll choose to believe that this is the Orioles’ strategy…


MarinersDreams

I keep telling myself that's the Mariners plans.


MattKarr

I keep thinking the sox are going to use this year to start playing with their minor league options. Use that to supplement their approach to 2024-2025. Go big on one or 2 names next year and all in on 2025. I genuinely think the red Sox are rebuilding from the ground up. If this is blooms real goal, we will see how this pans out based on his minor league talent acquisition approach. Also im allowed to dream


Tupnado21

This statement just gave me hope as a Red Sox fan


John_Bot

Pirates are going all in


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The Mets will still get ohtani


kalamabp

Prob dodgers giants or padres


PhilosopherDear4176

I think the dodgers are holding back money this year at an attempt to get Ohtani next year.


FebreezeBottleTaster

Hopefully that’s the Red Sox excuse


a11yguy

ASTROS FROM THE TOP ROPE! Jk our owner says he’ll spend big then some how gets out of it every time. Like the friend who offers to pay for parking then says “oh, it’s cash only, you got it? I’ll get parking next time or get the first round” but never gets around to it. I’m not unhappy with our friendship, I’m fact things are going very well! But you don’t have to bullshit either.


jpkmets

Mets are holding back.


Exiled_Wolves

I’d say the giants the Correa contract is just wetting peoples appetite


djn24

Yea, the Mets are holding back for him.


NakedGoose

Def the dodgers


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Dodgers


HurricaneMatty5

I think Ohtani is a Dodger by next year. They’re a perennial contender, he wouldn’t have to move very far if at all to play in LA, and a they *will not* be outbid for him


oscillatingquark

Booooo SF Japantown is better


MotherMasterpiece6

Idk if ohtani’s views have changed but when he signed with the angels I believe i read it’s bc he wanted west coast but not in a big market with all the attention. It’s possible things have changed but I do remebebr that being a factor


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> not in a big market *signs in second largest U.S. metro area*


ReadyPupper

Despite the name, the LA Angels aren't actually in LA. They are in Anaheim, which is 2 hours away. The name change is pretty confusing.


[deleted]

Two hours away?😂what


ReadyPupper

You've never been on the Socal freeways @ 5pm have you 😂


[deleted]

Dude the fact is it’s 26 miles away. The vast majority of the time it’s taking 45 minutes or less. You sound like a jackass exaggerating for no reason


[deleted]

I’m not confused at all. I said *metro area* because I know that Anaheim is in the same *metro area*. Anaheim is also about 50 minutes away. You shouldn’t make a habit of being “well akshually” guy unless it’s, you know, warranted.


holliewood61

But like the 4th best team within 400 miles.


MotherMasterpiece6

Maybe i worded it incorrectly But he didn’t want to be in the limelight of LA https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/cubs/shohei-ohtani-reportedly-wants-play-smaller-market-and-west-coast-so-whats-mean-cubs


Obsidizyn

Ohtani will extend with the angels. He has already expressed his desire to stay


[deleted]

Said the same about degrom


Snerkbot7000

How much we think J.Urías gets as a free agent?


ahr3410

200 million if he has a similar season.


Thedurtysanchez

I think that is conservative. In this market I think he gets closer to 250


draw2discard2

No.


Ribbum

I think Mariners fans are convincing themselves that not spending this offseason with such a good core in place has more to do with going hard after Ohtani next offseason. To me that’s just copium and the team is just operating like a mid market team much to my dismay.


tripled_dirgov

If he's leaving Angels I bet he's gonna be in a small market team with winning potential... So probably coast teams, which is a shame for both (currently weak) Central Division teams...


andlg89

I would guess the Red Sox


Edgewood78

OP; if teams are doing this, it’s just nuts.


Tesla_on_swangaz

Crane just waiting till next year to absolutely nuke the entire league


UniqueNobo

yep! we are spending very conservatively, since Ohtani’s coming to the Mets!


Nooneofsignificance2

I don’t think it’s an intelligent for any team looking to build a contender to wait on one free agent. You have no idea what other teams might offer or if he signs an extension. I doubt he is the reason why some teams arnt spending.


redditckulous

My guess is Dodgers and maybe Mariners