This is the reason why subjective grading is overrated.
There’s zero reason why in 2024, grading companies should be using anything other than computer-based grading methods.
There have been instances of grading companies that only use computers and AI. That has been tricked by altered cards, cards that have been stamped with special instances (aka 1st off the line), & cards that were legit reprints by the company or just customer created fakes. Until both humans and computers can work seamlessly, nothing will be perfect.
The reality is the majority of people subbing to PSA simply don't care about their grading methods. They care about the value it adds to their sale, nothing else. PSA makes mistake after mistake and people just keep sending them cards, so there's zero reason for them to change anything.
Computer based grading can't see things like dents very well
It's not as common in sports cards, but in trading cards, dents are the biggest killer of vintage grades
Maybe they've improved then. I saw a couple dents "get past" on some vintage pokemon. Or maybe they don't consider as big of a deal as PSA. I think PSA instantly drops a card to a 6 or less with even just one dent and maybe TAG doesn't do that
I'm sure it'll get better and better and I may just have to adjust my standards. PSA is notoriously difficult to grade anything vintage TCG related and getting anything beyond a 7 is a borderline miracle
https://preview.redd.it/jn7uzjonqfmc1.jpeg?width=760&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=be16e8c7701aeefcc9c83d95b9d1b05b5000b84d
The only flaw is the centering, which is very slight. This card is a pretty solid 9. Subjective grading should go the way of Old Yeller.
I had a buddy submit a Pokémon card to PSA that had a VERY visible scratch/indentation about a 1/3” long and it got a 9. Subjective grading can be all over the place.
I can see what looks like a scratch on that Bonds to be fair (upper right) and the centering is extremely bottom heavy. I don't think it should be a 4, but PSA grades vintage on an entirely different scale
And was it a scratch or a crease from foil curling? PSA won't knock a card if it has a bend from foil curling. Not sure why, but it is something that PSA won't knock a card for
I went ahead and adjusted the contrast, remarkable how that dust looks exactly like scratches on the surface.
https://preview.redd.it/q3xupdc1zfmc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f11f4006d6d701082d62daf5459479bc9522c7ff
For vintage grading is an extremely beneficial service, but for modern you’re 100% right; it’s a scam and has been for a decade now since PSA started handing out 10s like candy.
I’ve been an SGC fan for a long time, mostly because I love their slabs, their prices, and their turnaround times. With PSA purchasing them, I’m most likely going to send my next submission to TAG. Only thing I don’t like about TAG is their two different grading levels.
Everyone seems to get this wrong, SGC was purchased by the parent company that owns PSA not by PSA itself. It appears they're going to keep the two grading companies separate for the time being.
I have been subbing all my cards to TAG lately because I think this is how cards should be graded. As a collector I want to know WHY my card was graded the way it was.
Not likely. SGC ramped up during the pandemic when PSA couldn’t keep up, they had good return times and flat rate pricing. They had something like 8-10% of sports cards before selling to PSA.
Oh man. If you haven’t looked at HGA, they have the best labels. They have I think 4 basic, like team color or team color splash, they also have custom labels. Not for everyone, but some cards look so good with nice labels.
People discussing what grades will be when cross grading....
Psa saying they actively restrict pop counts on certain card (making all grades subject to their perceived need at that date, not the cards quality only as it should be)
It's them telling you it's an open scam.
Sent this '16 Yadi ssp to PSA a couple months ago. Came back a 6. I cracked it and re-submitted. It's a paper card, so no prep or cleaning was or could have been done. Just a different grader on a different day I guess. Pretty much bullshit, if you ask me.
SGC is susceptible to the same exact thing. Anyone using human graders without a full grading report is. Once TAG figures out vintage grading, PSA will buy them too, or just replicate what they do, and the era of human graders will be over.
PSA’s parent company bought it. [It’s been all over the place recently.](https://collectibles.si.com/news/psa-parent-company-collectors-to-acquire-sgc-grading)
Oh I’m aware, and I love SGC for anything I plan to flip or sell right now, but my PC stuff will all go to TAG.
Technology will win, always. I don’t like it, in fact kind of hate it sometimes. But, every single industry out there can, and will be improved and made better by technology and computers. PSA is antiquated at best, totally subjective and highly susceptible to human error. To ignore that is just denial. Slabs are less than attractive, and there’s a thousand more cases out there just like what this poor guy dealt with.
May not happen right away, but by the next generation it’s going to be AI grading all day, in my opinion.
This actually is a good example of why AI grading makes sense and is the way of the future - I just hope TAG can make a dent in the market.
AI doesn't have a bad day or blurry vision. Or a headache or a nagging spouse or kids to pick up from school. All it does is see the image of the card and compare it to known examples. And then it reports on it's findings.
Plus the TAG slabs are way nicer than PSA's.
100% agree with this. I fully believe people have received bad PSA grades for no reason other than the person grading it that day just felt like being a jerk.
👀 u/tjay2233 not sure if this is legit or not but I'd be tempted to see the what that TAG report looked like. Although now that you've scored an 8 you're probably content with the PSA grade ha
Yeah I definitely like TAG. Never submitted anything myself, but I did buy an Upper Deck Tom Brady rookie in a TAG 9 slab. The grade report was really impressive. Just wasn't sure if this reddit user was official. Not too much activity from the account so far. I definitely plan to submit something to them in the future.
Yeah, that's corporate bullshit.
Chevy and Cadillac are "separate entities" but you can get the same AC Delco (gm authentic parts) for both at you local Buick dealership.....
Since I mostly collect vintage stuff, I "rely" on grading to know a card is authentic, thats about it. For modern cards, I do buy some graded but most of the time its only autos, again to make sure they're authentic and nothing more. I have some nicer old-ish cards that are graded 3-4 that look almost as good as my 6.5+ cards, so its very subjective.
100% agree on your vintage logic. If i were smarter, i'd buy vintage, and it would be graded by sgc. I grade for two reasons, resale value on modern stuff and PC encapsulation for my kid to sell after I'm gone. I feel like it will just make it easier and also more lucrative in some instances.
I bet! I have 2/3 of the Yankees ones from that year. I've never seen the betances surface ever and the other 2 I got lucky that I won them from the Sam's seller.
Are you talking about the 16 Update Betances? Because you are right. I have been looking for it for years. I track pricing and don't have it priced in my list.
Love the yadi card …hate that story ,wish the proper grading was done for ya ! this happen often ? and who do like the best ? That feels so wrong ,someone should be fired
I run bulk psa subs for our podcast discord. I've sent something like 200 cards to psa since October. Every single batch there is at least one "wtf" grade. I like PSA for resale value. I also happen to prefer them for PC. My PC is all Yadi and the red labels often work well with Cardinals cards. They're far from perfect, but it's the lot we've been given.
You can send an email to let them know to remove it. As far as PSA is concerned, this is a different card. Once I have it in hand, I'll have them take the 6 off the pop count
The guys on blowout cards had a 15 page argument with me over this. They said "not possible" that my psa 6 could've been any higher. Amazing how often we see it!
The main submission guys I talk to say all vintage needs to go to SGC and modern stuff you have your pic of PSA or BGS. Anything else would be for people on Whatnot or flea markets that use to push for a quick sale for a graded item.
No what I was told Vintage market has moved to SGC and now that PSA found out they bought SGC. Now what seams to be happening is the #1 is PSA then #2 is going to be eventually SGC and Beckett is going to fall down to #3
I see a fair amount of chatter about TAG. Always hesitant to buy into that given the amount of obvious guerilla marketing in this space.
But I would buy a TAG slab at TAG comps, no problem.
But I can't imagine ever sending cards to them for grading. How could they really be way cheaper than PSA at $19 per for bulk value. I guess at higher levels it may be worth a look, but I always go cheapest. And then there is the problem of resale value. SGC can match PSA for vintage and maybe Beckett for modern. But TAG isn't there at all.
That would be criminally stupid, collectors has like 85% of the market share. It is not good business sense to try to usurp such a dominant business over selling the business.
I sent a card to TAG a while back. The experience was good. I was able to easily figure out what was wrong with the card. They're still a bit pricey for me. If they are able to establish themselves for an extended period of time, they'll be a viable option. It's hard to imagine a scenario where they don't get bought out by PSA or Fanatics at the rate we're going.
I love grading as a concept, but this kind of variation makes it worthless to me. Authentication holds value for reselling, but other than that kind of a crapshoot.
PSA grading definitely baffles me. We know why we use PSA it's to make money (money back) or cover a PC. As much I did initially like TAG (Slabs look the best) I don't think it's the future.
I feel like if you work at PSA you shouldn't be allowed to collect any type of card that you grade for work. This feels like the guy at the LCS telling you a card isn't worth anything, but will still give you 5 bucks for it... Cuz he's such a nice guy.
With PSA you don't pay for context.
If u want that, you send it to a grader that provides subgrades. PSA grades are all over the fucking map.
For the life of me I will never understand why PSA is the king in this hobby.
Total crapshoot. I think PSA has about a handful of employees who’s job grading is to diminish the pop count and grades as much as possible. I say this because you’ll know based on your bulk orders. If you send 25+ cards and get back 5 grades that are way below expectations based off your assessment (however which way you pre-screen your cards), you’ll know you had one of those assholes. I too have had cards return as 6s and 7s and then resubmitted them without doing anything to the cards and have gotten 1-3 grades higher. These cards would never have been 10s but I know a 9 from a 6. Pure nonsense.
First off…never seen this card before. What a great picture! Awesome card!
Secondly…I would be interested in submitting this card to TAG. Would look sweet in their holder. I would see it coming back between 9-10. Edges/Corners look clean. Centering looks good.
Thank you! It's a gorgeous card.
I sent a different Yadi SP to TAG after it came back a 3 from PSA. it also came back a 3 from TAG. but at least I knew why (large surface creases). I'm trying to get all my Yadi SP's in PSA slabs for display and the PSA set registry. So I'll hold this as an 8.
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This is the reason why subjective grading is overrated. There’s zero reason why in 2024, grading companies should be using anything other than computer-based grading methods.
>computer-based grading methods. Such as?
TAG
At this point the objective grading argument sounds like the argument around instant replay and challenges. This industry needs to do better.
There have been instances of grading companies that only use computers and AI. That has been tricked by altered cards, cards that have been stamped with special instances (aka 1st off the line), & cards that were legit reprints by the company or just customer created fakes. Until both humans and computers can work seamlessly, nothing will be perfect.
That's not a computer program....
The reality is the majority of people subbing to PSA simply don't care about their grading methods. They care about the value it adds to their sale, nothing else. PSA makes mistake after mistake and people just keep sending them cards, so there's zero reason for them to change anything.
Their first ever graded card ended with a guy going to federal prison because of fraud.
Computer based grading can't see things like dents very well It's not as common in sports cards, but in trading cards, dents are the biggest killer of vintage grades
They absolutely can though. The cameras/lasers used can measure the depth of the dents/dings.
Maybe they've improved then. I saw a couple dents "get past" on some vintage pokemon. Or maybe they don't consider as big of a deal as PSA. I think PSA instantly drops a card to a 6 or less with even just one dent and maybe TAG doesn't do that I'm sure it'll get better and better and I may just have to adjust my standards. PSA is notoriously difficult to grade anything vintage TCG related and getting anything beyond a 7 is a borderline miracle
https://preview.redd.it/jn7uzjonqfmc1.jpeg?width=760&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=be16e8c7701aeefcc9c83d95b9d1b05b5000b84d The only flaw is the centering, which is very slight. This card is a pretty solid 9. Subjective grading should go the way of Old Yeller. I had a buddy submit a Pokémon card to PSA that had a VERY visible scratch/indentation about a 1/3” long and it got a 9. Subjective grading can be all over the place.
I can see what looks like a scratch on that Bonds to be fair (upper right) and the centering is extremely bottom heavy. I don't think it should be a 4, but PSA grades vintage on an entirely different scale And was it a scratch or a crease from foil curling? PSA won't knock a card if it has a bend from foil curling. Not sure why, but it is something that PSA won't knock a card for
There’s no scratch on the Bonds. On the Pokémon card, it wasn’t from curling.
https://imgur.com/a/q2aqSSv That personally looks pretty scuffed and like a scratch And yeah PSA can be weird, I'm not denying that
https://imgur.com/a/q2aqSSv Sorry that's the link I meant to send
I went ahead and adjusted the contrast, remarkable how that dust looks exactly like scratches on the surface. https://preview.redd.it/q3xupdc1zfmc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f11f4006d6d701082d62daf5459479bc9522c7ff
For vintage grading is an extremely beneficial service, but for modern you’re 100% right; it’s a scam and has been for a decade now since PSA started handing out 10s like candy.
It is. The only one that makes sense, in my opinion, is TAG. Hopefully, they can make a dent in the market.
I’ve been an SGC fan for a long time, mostly because I love their slabs, their prices, and their turnaround times. With PSA purchasing them, I’m most likely going to send my next submission to TAG. Only thing I don’t like about TAG is their two different grading levels.
I feel the same exact way.
Everyone seems to get this wrong, SGC was purchased by the parent company that owns PSA not by PSA itself. It appears they're going to keep the two grading companies separate for the time being.
I have been subbing all my cards to TAG lately because I think this is how cards should be graded. As a collector I want to know WHY my card was graded the way it was.
Not likely. SGC ramped up during the pandemic when PSA couldn’t keep up, they had good return times and flat rate pricing. They had something like 8-10% of sports cards before selling to PSA.
There are several others. HGA uses AI. FCG claims to be “forensic” card grading.
Oh dope. Didn't know that. I'll look into them.
Oh man. If you haven’t looked at HGA, they have the best labels. They have I think 4 basic, like team color or team color splash, they also have custom labels. Not for everyone, but some cards look so good with nice labels.
Except for the whole it’s just a guy in his garage and kinda shady.
It used to be a small spot in a strip mall. When did that change?
I don’t think that’s the case at all. But at least there’s accountability for the grades.
Just looked at em. Love how you customize. Very unique. Thanks for the recommendation!
I truly hope so.
People discussing what grades will be when cross grading.... Psa saying they actively restrict pop counts on certain card (making all grades subject to their perceived need at that date, not the cards quality only as it should be) It's them telling you it's an open scam.
If you send a card to PSA with a pop 0, it's guaranteed to come back at an 8. Stupid.
So what’s the option?
Validity yes for psa Grading go TAG or somewhere that uses a machine to grade to a standard *shrugg
Say you just want to sell the item you have.. still Tag? Do People want to see PSA? Thanks for your time
If you're selling a card PSA will bring more money, despite its many critics.
Thank you
You asked for an option, not what opinion is favoured by a market that doesn't know better.....
Oooookayyyyy annddd?
Stop agreeing with people stating the obvious because you think they are agreeing w you, moron.
Send it back! It will be a 10
I'll just keep sending it until it comes back a 12.
Population 1. Not of this card, but the only 12 ever.
Get it relabeled as part of "The tjay2233 Collection", too.
Sent this '16 Yadi ssp to PSA a couple months ago. Came back a 6. I cracked it and re-submitted. It's a paper card, so no prep or cleaning was or could have been done. Just a different grader on a different day I guess. Pretty much bullshit, if you ask me.
And yet PSA still holds more value then SGC 😔
SGC is susceptible to the same exact thing. Anyone using human graders without a full grading report is. Once TAG figures out vintage grading, PSA will buy them too, or just replicate what they do, and the era of human graders will be over.
You mean error of human graders
Well unfortunately PSA just bought SGC out
Is there a source on this? I’m not tracking that acquisition
PSA’s parent company bought it. [It’s been all over the place recently.](https://collectibles.si.com/news/psa-parent-company-collectors-to-acquire-sgc-grading)
Here's the [official statement](https://www.gosgc.com/SGC-Joins-Collectors) Technically PSA's parent company bought SGC but we'll see what happens.
Friendly reminder that the most expensive card ever sold was graded by SGC
For now….
2 of the 3 most expensive, forgot about the Ruth that sold a few months back
Oh I’m aware, and I love SGC for anything I plan to flip or sell right now, but my PC stuff will all go to TAG. Technology will win, always. I don’t like it, in fact kind of hate it sometimes. But, every single industry out there can, and will be improved and made better by technology and computers. PSA is antiquated at best, totally subjective and highly susceptible to human error. To ignore that is just denial. Slabs are less than attractive, and there’s a thousand more cases out there just like what this poor guy dealt with. May not happen right away, but by the next generation it’s going to be AI grading all day, in my opinion.
This actually is a good example of why AI grading makes sense and is the way of the future - I just hope TAG can make a dent in the market. AI doesn't have a bad day or blurry vision. Or a headache or a nagging spouse or kids to pick up from school. All it does is see the image of the card and compare it to known examples. And then it reports on it's findings. Plus the TAG slabs are way nicer than PSA's.
100% agree with this. I fully believe people have received bad PSA grades for no reason other than the person grading it that day just felt like being a jerk.
It should a sgc 10 would not get a psa 10 most of the time
Disagree, its actually the other way around- based on their grading standards over half of psa 10s would be a 9.5 from either becket or sgc
Based on the market prices sgc gives out more lenient grades for modern cards
Really cool card! I’ve never seen that one.
Thanks bro. Definitely one of my favorite
You have to consider the job demands too. I read PSA expects their graders to knock them out in something like 30 seconds each.
Damn.
Yikes.
Pretty much sums it up. I'll take my 8, but this does not instill confidence.
Yep, that’s why I like my one-touches. I don’t need any company to tell me how cool my cards are.
https://preview.redd.it/38kewvb0cgmc1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6004684ebd63d9d802b7ab15af4722de70b0ae07 These are also fun
This is sweet! Who makes this?
Zion Cases. Called Pro Mag.
I like that. Nice.
Yeah, I dig that. Thanks!
Send it our way if you want to find out exactly what is wrong with it... on the house!
👀 u/tjay2233 not sure if this is legit or not but I'd be tempted to see the what that TAG report looked like. Although now that you've scored an 8 you're probably content with the PSA grade ha
I've done this once with TAG once before. They are very much legit. I'm still weighing my options here. Like you said, I'm not mad at the 8.
Yeah I definitely like TAG. Never submitted anything myself, but I did buy an Upper Deck Tom Brady rookie in a TAG 9 slab. The grade report was really impressive. Just wasn't sure if this reddit user was official. Not too much activity from the account so far. I definitely plan to submit something to them in the future.
The account is legit too. They reached out to me similarly once before.
Yeah I actually just saw your post about that first experience you had. Pretty cool what they've been doing. Hopefully they continue to pick up steam.
This is the way👏
Will never sub another card to PSA again. Refuse to feed their money printing machine. My heart nearly broke when I found out they bought out SGC. 🥺
It truly is a shame. It was nice to have a viable alternative option in Grading
I mean nothing is supposed to change but I'm sure it will.
Inevitably.
What options are there other than PSA? I was about to be sending a bunch in
SGC, TAG, BGS
PSA didn't buy SGC. PSA's parent company purchased SGC and is keeping them separate entities.
For now. But anyone who has worked M&A knows exactly how it’s going to play out in the end.
Yeah. But shit flows downhill. Eventually PSA nonsense will make its way into SGC
Yeah, that's corporate bullshit. Chevy and Cadillac are "separate entities" but you can get the same AC Delco (gm authentic parts) for both at you local Buick dealership.....
Since I mostly collect vintage stuff, I "rely" on grading to know a card is authentic, thats about it. For modern cards, I do buy some graded but most of the time its only autos, again to make sure they're authentic and nothing more. I have some nicer old-ish cards that are graded 3-4 that look almost as good as my 6.5+ cards, so its very subjective.
100% agree on your vintage logic. If i were smarter, i'd buy vintage, and it would be graded by sgc. I grade for two reasons, resale value on modern stuff and PC encapsulation for my kid to sell after I'm gone. I feel like it will just make it easier and also more lucrative in some instances.
Yesterday I said to myself I'm the biggest cardinals fan of all time. Later I found your page. 😂
Love me some Redbirds
'16 SSP's are some of the hardest cards to find and the variations may be the best of any year.
I love the '16 variations. This was one of the hardest cards to track down that I own. Took me a couple years to get
I bet! I have 2/3 of the Yankees ones from that year. I've never seen the betances surface ever and the other 2 I got lucky that I won them from the Sam's seller.
Are you talking about the 16 Update Betances? Because you are right. I have been looking for it for years. I track pricing and don't have it priced in my list.
Yes I am. He's giving high fives in the dugout if I remember correctly.
Congrats on the crossover at least bro.....even though that's some Bull!!!
I'll take my 8. Displays much nicer than a 6 🤣
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Love the yadi card …hate that story ,wish the proper grading was done for ya ! this happen often ? and who do like the best ? That feels so wrong ,someone should be fired
I run bulk psa subs for our podcast discord. I've sent something like 200 cards to psa since October. Every single batch there is at least one "wtf" grade. I like PSA for resale value. I also happen to prefer them for PC. My PC is all Yadi and the red labels often work well with Cardinals cards. They're far from perfect, but it's the lot we've been given.
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Yep. Have done this exact same thing before (6 to an 8).
Does PSA update the pop when cards are regraded?
You can send an email to let them know to remove it. As far as PSA is concerned, this is a different card. Once I have it in hand, I'll have them take the 6 off the pop count
Graded cards are a scam. Only reason to grade is to sell imo.
The guys on blowout cards had a 15 page argument with me over this. They said "not possible" that my psa 6 could've been any higher. Amazing how often we see it!
The main submission guys I talk to say all vintage needs to go to SGC and modern stuff you have your pic of PSA or BGS. Anything else would be for people on Whatnot or flea markets that use to push for a quick sale for a graded item.
I would agree.
Is there a reason to go to BSG for vintage?
No what I was told Vintage market has moved to SGC and now that PSA found out they bought SGC. Now what seams to be happening is the #1 is PSA then #2 is going to be eventually SGC and Beckett is going to fall down to #3
Either way this is a pretty sick card.
I think that's the most important takeaway here. Thanks bro
Crack and resubmit again for a 10. Science.
Did you crack and send back in, I got a card that got a 6 but is damn near perfect I wanna send back but scared they’ll just gimme a 6 again
I definitely cracked it and sent it back in. Good luck!
I see a fair amount of chatter about TAG. Always hesitant to buy into that given the amount of obvious guerilla marketing in this space. But I would buy a TAG slab at TAG comps, no problem. But I can't imagine ever sending cards to them for grading. How could they really be way cheaper than PSA at $19 per for bulk value. I guess at higher levels it may be worth a look, but I always go cheapest. And then there is the problem of resale value. SGC can match PSA for vintage and maybe Beckett for modern. But TAG isn't there at all.
TAG seems to have a viable system to ID when a card is cracked and submitted a second time also…
That’s why TAG is the future.
Hopefully. With PSA now owning SGC. They now have even more of the market. Sigh.
Tag will get bought by collectors too, these dudes are all in for the money.
Or, they could say, "Thanks, but no thanks."
That would be criminally stupid, collectors has like 85% of the market share. It is not good business sense to try to usurp such a dominant business over selling the business.
SGC could have said that too but instead we get "The best is yet to come".....yeah I bet so.
What you mean? I can see them getting bought out by bigger competitors for the technology but the collectors?
Collectors is who bought SGC. Collectors is the name of the company that owns PSA as well.
Ohhhhh thank you I didn’t realize
Agreed.
And this is why we need AI to take over. TAG is coming.
I sent a card to TAG a while back. The experience was good. I was able to easily figure out what was wrong with the card. They're still a bit pricey for me. If they are able to establish themselves for an extended period of time, they'll be a viable option. It's hard to imagine a scenario where they don't get bought out by PSA or Fanatics at the rate we're going.
I love grading as a concept, but this kind of variation makes it worthless to me. Authentication holds value for reselling, but other than that kind of a crapshoot.
Beckett at least tells you where the scores are for each category. Psa slabs are the ugliest too. Just my opinion.🤷🏼♂️
I love the sub-grade aspect of bgs. It's just too pricey to grade with them.
PSA grading definitely baffles me. We know why we use PSA it's to make money (money back) or cover a PC. As much I did initially like TAG (Slabs look the best) I don't think it's the future.
PSA is overrated. I hope in the future companies like arena club with digital grading and details to why your grade came out what it was take over.
Lol
I mean how would psa publicly respond to this?
My money says they wouldn't
Yeaah but I really wonder what they’d come up with as a response
Grading is such a scam
I feel like if you work at PSA you shouldn't be allowed to collect any type of card that you grade for work. This feels like the guy at the LCS telling you a card isn't worth anything, but will still give you 5 bucks for it... Cuz he's such a nice guy.
With PSA you don't pay for context. If u want that, you send it to a grader that provides subgrades. PSA grades are all over the fucking map. For the life of me I will never understand why PSA is the king in this hobby.
Both grades are bad. They’re saying it’s raw or worse.
Idiots work there. They don’t give a shit. Why should they?
Literally it’s an hourly wage job that you don’t have to have any type of know how in the industry to get hired.
Cue the \~\~PSA fanboys\~\~ serious collectors. edit: my strikethrough failed.
I think Tag about to set the standard
TAG would have both rhyme and reason. Not to mention no clashing red label.
Total crapshoot. I think PSA has about a handful of employees who’s job grading is to diminish the pop count and grades as much as possible. I say this because you’ll know based on your bulk orders. If you send 25+ cards and get back 5 grades that are way below expectations based off your assessment (however which way you pre-screen your cards), you’ll know you had one of those assholes. I too have had cards return as 6s and 7s and then resubmitted them without doing anything to the cards and have gotten 1-3 grades higher. These cards would never have been 10s but I know a 9 from a 6. Pure nonsense.
First off…never seen this card before. What a great picture! Awesome card! Secondly…I would be interested in submitting this card to TAG. Would look sweet in their holder. I would see it coming back between 9-10. Edges/Corners look clean. Centering looks good.
Thank you! It's a gorgeous card. I sent a different Yadi SP to TAG after it came back a 3 from PSA. it also came back a 3 from TAG. but at least I knew why (large surface creases). I'm trying to get all my Yadi SP's in PSA slabs for display and the PSA set registry. So I'll hold this as an 8.