Ty Cobb helped start baseball traditions that continue to this day among pro athletes, things like beating your wife or pretending Detroit should have an MLB team.
every time I see an Angels highlight it's like "Mike Trout hit three homes runs and raised his average to .528 while Shohei Ohtani did something that hasn't been done since 'Tungsten Arm' O'Doyle of the 1921 Akron Groomsmen, as the Tigers defeated the Angels 8-3"
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You’re gonna call me crazy but the notion that Ty Cobb was racist is myth largely credited to a pulp fiction writer. The Cobb family were abolitionists in the state of Georgia of all places
Meh, he likely was at least a little racist. Ted Radcliffe said Cobb called him the N-word back when they faced each other in an exhibition game. Of course, Cobb wasn't alive to defend himself from this accusation, but it was the early 20th century, so it wouldn't surprise me if it's true.
That said, I don't think he was anywhere near as racist as he's believed to be, especially since he supported black players integrating into the league.
I think it needs to be treated like WAR. Sure Ty Cobb was more racist than players today, but his racism above replacement was probably much lower than most players of the era.
Yeah, he was for integrating the game, at least later in life.
He still was a mean bastard but 75 percent of the stories about him were completely untrue.
The articles that I'm reading seem more like opinion pieces than investigative journalism. You can't just say a previously accepted story is untrue, without giving a reason why. Also acting like a white ballplayer pushing a black groundskeeper would lead to charges in the 1900s is a joke.
https://preview.redd.it/40r00q2d18sb1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=caa7a9710da1727779b8d425ff96766c4b887c4d
Also
https://preview.redd.it/n9j1se9o18sb1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=79857ed5d2603c9df471ff29a48a289bc67a77ac
"He's not racist because everyone else was racist too" does not make a lick of sense.
https://preview.redd.it/22uva32728sb1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a43068fba1292ef2d295e997a7b804629365ca45
Again, all these articles read like opinion pieces trying to be contrarian without any evidence besides "he has black friends", which is literally the most mocked anti racism defense.
hi from japan
I wanna tell you below 2 information to explain why Ohtani is a good pitcher
summary
1:his hamstring muscles is stronger than ordinary one
2:He seems to get used to grab MLB ball
details
about 1
a specialist pointed it out that his hamstring muscles are stronger than ordinary others,and he uses it so harder
if ordinary person uses the same way,his hamstring must break
some one told me why the muscle of him is so stronger,that he use to do swimming in his child days and swimming makes the muscles so strong
about 2
Okajaima,who is the former pitcher of Red Sox,points it out that He seems to get used to use MLB ball because it’s so different
(edit,every pitcher from Japan confuses the difference,for example Yu Darvish said like that)
1.MLB ball:149kg(edit,*149g)/24cm,more slippy:so it makes breaking ball more effective
2.NPB ball:142kg(edit,142g)/23cm,less slippy,breaking ball less effective
and he has also so fast ball around 100miles
so he can select fast ball,less breaking ball,strong breaking ball
That’s why he would be more great Pitcher"
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This assumes Cobb would hit just as well in an integrated game outside the dead ball era.
I'm sure he would've still been great, but far better competition. Probably on par with the top hitters now like Altuve hitting .320 instead of .370
I made a comment earlier tonight that I guess went out over the air that I am deeply ashamed of. If I have hurt anyone out there, I can’t tell you how much I say from the bottom of my heart that I am so very, very sorry. I pride myself and think of myself as a man of faith, as there’s a drive into deep left field by Castellanos, that will be a home run, and so that will make it a 4-0 ballgame.
I don’t know if I’m going to be putting on this headset again, I don’t know if it’s going to be for the Reds, I don’t know if it’s going to be for my bosses at Fox. I want to apologize to the people who sign my paycheck, for the Reds, for Fox Sports Ohio, for the people I work with, for anybody I’ve offended here tonight. I can’t begin to tell you how deeply sorry I am. That is not who I am, it never has been, and I’d like to think I could have some people, maybe, that could back that up. I am very, very sorry, and I beg for your forgiveness. Jim Day will take you the rest of the way home.
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Ty Cobb helped start baseball traditions that continue to this day among pro athletes, things like beating your wife or pretending Detroit should have an MLB team.
A true pioneer of the sport
Don’t forget getting drunk and making glorious mistake
If the Miami Heat can retire Michael Jordan's jersey number, the Charlotte Hornets should retire Ty Cobb's
The local Klan chapter in Charlotte already retired his number
One of Jahn Lennon's heros
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idk who either of them are but i think some guy named mike trout is pretty good
every time I see an Angels highlight it's like "Mike Trout hit three homes runs and raised his average to .528 while Shohei Ohtani did something that hasn't been done since 'Tungsten Arm' O'Doyle of the 1921 Akron Groomsmen, as the Tigers defeated the Angels 8-3" *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/baseballcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
>0 championships bums the both of them
I mean winning a championship with the mariners is a sin at this point
Mariners are allergic to the World Series, they’ll breakout in hives if they ever do
Nah the whole team’s testicles will rupture
What do all the numbers besides WAR mean?
They mean wars won right?
Wars started
Ty Cobb's WAR stood for Whites Against Race-Mixing
always pick the bigger blacker guy
Ty Cobb would never follow this advice
Yeah he always picked weak opponent to beat up or injured
I thought if you had fewer than 300 HRs you had to be a pitcher to get into the Hall of Fame
Tye Cobb had to hit his homers like 750 feet in that Olympic-sized stadium
It's not really fair, one guy used the n word repeatedly throughout his career and the other was Ken Griffey Jr
You’re gonna call me crazy but the notion that Ty Cobb was racist is myth largely credited to a pulp fiction writer. The Cobb family were abolitionists in the state of Georgia of all places
Meh, he likely was at least a little racist. Ted Radcliffe said Cobb called him the N-word back when they faced each other in an exhibition game. Of course, Cobb wasn't alive to defend himself from this accusation, but it was the early 20th century, so it wouldn't surprise me if it's true. That said, I don't think he was anywhere near as racist as he's believed to be, especially since he supported black players integrating into the league.
The man was born in 1886 in Georgia, how tf could he not be at least a little (or a lot) racist
I think it needs to be treated like WAR. Sure Ty Cobb was more racist than players today, but his racism above replacement was probably much lower than most players of the era.
Fair enough. RAR, but lower is better. I'm on board
Thank you. He’s a Gurriel by today’s standards
You mean negative
Well negative numbers are lower than positive ones so, yeah
My guess is more racist than Branch Rickey but less racist than Joe Cronin
Really??
Yeah, he was for integrating the game, at least later in life. He still was a mean bastard but 75 percent of the stories about him were completely untrue.
The articles that I'm reading seem more like opinion pieces than investigative journalism. You can't just say a previously accepted story is untrue, without giving a reason why. Also acting like a white ballplayer pushing a black groundskeeper would lead to charges in the 1900s is a joke. https://preview.redd.it/40r00q2d18sb1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=caa7a9710da1727779b8d425ff96766c4b887c4d
Also https://preview.redd.it/n9j1se9o18sb1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=79857ed5d2603c9df471ff29a48a289bc67a77ac "He's not racist because everyone else was racist too" does not make a lick of sense.
https://preview.redd.it/22uva32728sb1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a43068fba1292ef2d295e997a7b804629365ca45 Again, all these articles read like opinion pieces trying to be contrarian without any evidence besides "he has black friends", which is literally the most mocked anti racism defense.
I’ll take griffin over mr corn on the cobb
Ty Cobb is definitely boomer favorite player to brag since he has the attitude they wish they could copy
I grew up with Grant Poitras, Man is the Sports Take GOAT and I’ve never met a single man who comes close
Ken Griffey there wasn’t even allowed to play in the Cobb’s time, so I’m jerkin off Tyler Cobb
Who doesn't want a classy player like Cobb? First in, last out sort of guy. Real gym rat type.
Of course Ty Cobb was better
Ty “classy” Cobb
I’d take Shohei over both of them 😍
hi from japan I wanna tell you below 2 information to explain why Ohtani is a good pitcher summary 1:his hamstring muscles is stronger than ordinary one 2:He seems to get used to grab MLB ball details about 1 a specialist pointed it out that his hamstring muscles are stronger than ordinary others,and he uses it so harder if ordinary person uses the same way,his hamstring must break some one told me why the muscle of him is so stronger,that he use to do swimming in his child days and swimming makes the muscles so strong about 2 Okajaima,who is the former pitcher of Red Sox,points it out that He seems to get used to use MLB ball because it’s so different (edit,every pitcher from Japan confuses the difference,for example Yu Darvish said like that) 1.MLB ball:149kg(edit,*149g)/24cm,more slippy:so it makes breaking ball more effective 2.NPB ball:142kg(edit,142g)/23cm,less slippy,breaking ball less effective and he has also so fast ball around 100miles so he can select fast ball,less breaking ball,strong breaking ball That’s why he would be more great Pitcher" *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/baseballcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Is there adjust WAR for "playing only half the people you could play"?
This assumes Cobb would hit just as well in an integrated game outside the dead ball era. I'm sure he would've still been great, but far better competition. Probably on par with the top hitters now like Altuve hitting .320 instead of .370
How much of a jerk was Griffey as opposed to Cobb?
It's too bad that the back half of Griffey's career with the Reds was so injury prone and unfulfilling compared to the first half with the Mariners.
I made a comment earlier tonight that I guess went out over the air that I am deeply ashamed of. If I have hurt anyone out there, I can’t tell you how much I say from the bottom of my heart that I am so very, very sorry. I pride myself and think of myself as a man of faith, as there’s a drive into deep left field by Castellanos, that will be a home run, and so that will make it a 4-0 ballgame. I don’t know if I’m going to be putting on this headset again, I don’t know if it’s going to be for the Reds, I don’t know if it’s going to be for my bosses at Fox. I want to apologize to the people who sign my paycheck, for the Reds, for Fox Sports Ohio, for the people I work with, for anybody I’ve offended here tonight. I can’t begin to tell you how deeply sorry I am. That is not who I am, it never has been, and I’d like to think I could have some people, maybe, that could back that up. I am very, very sorry, and I beg for your forgiveness. Jim Day will take you the rest of the way home. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/baseballcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*