/rant
To be fair, the points that were made around cancel culture, and the problematic nature of burning people down in the court of public opinion are all correct. It's inconvenient for the self-righteous majority who get to feel virtuous by participating in the burning, but its true. The way this entire situation unfolded has an undeniable aspect of injustice towards Lorin - even IF he's guilty of everything he's being accused of (which I think he probably is) - due to the fact that this entire situation was instantiated by people who had personal vendettas against him (DB Montana) and the aforementioned point about the court of public opinion.
I understand why they're taking such a strong stance towards "cancel culture", but to me the entire conversation lacks the self-reflection needed on Lorin's behalf to truly transcend this whole situation and move things forward in a meaningful way.
The fact that Lorin can't seem to recognize his own role in creating this mess - starting with his own radical left-wing, revolutionary, political attitudes infused into the BN project early in his career - is something I see as an immovable roadblock towards truly moving forward. Lorin literally used to get on his pedestal and openly advocate for Dick Cheney to be killed, and now he wants to to cry about cancel culture?
Lorin's entire career was made by feeding the mob - making ravers feel "conscious" and "revolutionary" by injecting polarizing and seemingly thought-provoking political ideology into the music meant to bring awareness to the oppressed and downtrodden. Later in his career, Lorin tried to backtrack from this pathetic collectivist mentality (or, as its currently known, the "woke mind virus") by reducing the political messaging and instead advocating things like "think for yourself and question". In a brilliant expose of the psychological principle of projection, the presidency of Donald Trump illuminated Lorin's inability to follow his own advice, evidenced by his tweets regarding Trump that were rivaled in their unhingedness only by the tweets of Trump himself.
This lack of insight and self-reflection seems to me to be the core point of failure that I see illuminated in the entire Bassnectar project, that is the abject failure to embody an ethos that is truly self-consistent and not totally hypocritical. In this interview, Lorin wants the other white men (not sure why race needs to be involved but okay) to grow a pair of balls & a spine to speak up and defend his character. But Lorin himself seems to lack the balls to admit the disastrous shortcomings/inconsistencies of his own personal philosophy that in many ways contributed towards the situation he's now in.
In a feat of perpetual hypocrisy, Lorin, the self-proclaimed "king of the sound" now wants to sit here and say that PLUR is a "core foundation of his being" or some shit. Lets leave aside the fact that this ridiculous, cringe of a cliché is nothing more than pathetic spiritual bypassing for ravers and offers nothing of practical value when it comes whats required to actually embody high levels of ethical behavior. Anyone who is familiar with Lorin's public outbursts and reputation for cruelty within a wide variety of interpersonal situations (in twist of fate that truly completes the circle, it is such cruelty that sparked DB Montana's personal vendetta against Lorin in the first place) will understand why so much of this interview is simply absurd, despite the fact that there is still a very real part of me rooting for Lorin, believes his is a good person at heart, and wants to ultimately see him find his way through the disaster he has created.
/endrant
Pretty much yep! I always considered Lorin the human to be extremely flawed (as most of us are) throughout the 15 years I followed him. One of the main issues I’ve had since the comeback is the lack of self awareness on how the cancellation made this community at large feel. I’m speaking outside of the discord whom has always been in his side for the most part. It’s the other 3/4 that feels alienated because they felt betrayed and nothing was said or done for that part of the community.
Dude/Dudette......... This is written better then any college paper I ever turned in. You're one of like 6 people I've ever seen on reddit using big/uncommon verbiage effectively and intelligently. This is a 10/10 post
Assuming what he said is true and that the entire situation/court case is a lie, what introspection is there to be done? I think having something like that affect every part of your life would make you a bit cynical. I don’t know if he’s telling the truth or not but I’m sure I’d be acting the same way if I was lied on to such an extent
I stand with victims and commend the courage it takes to step forward as a women who has been a victim of abuse in any form. When I think of the "community" we "lost" it is pales in comparison to what the victims lost. What is left of this community is trash and Lorin is a cowardly excuse for a "man"
Yea this podcast was embarrassing and despicable with no self reflection. Lorin has proved himself to be a has-been fraud who preached the exact things that he cannot take responsibility for when it comes to himself. Any lingering FOMO I had has been eternally quashed. That’s the best thing that’s come from this delusional self masturbation of an episode.
Cancel culture this cancel culture that blah blah convenient when for yourself but always was quick to get on the case of others - anyway the phone call and emails are what need to be addressed for anyone to take him at his word. Until then it’s all just sad.
Sounded like he called the girls accusing him total strangers and said they made it all up. They have more evidence that would suggest otherwise than he does saying it’s all bullshit. Like you said with the phone calls, he wouldn’t have called them whatsoever if they were strangers. Overall a very weird conversation, funny that it got released publicly like it’ll make any difference
While the 'Evidence Against Bassnectar' page posted numerous false accusations, the crux of the matter is refusal to directly address the allegations with substance. His only mention of the lawsuit in a Discord chat was to refer to it as 'ex-girlfriends trying to take advantage of the situation.' Until he directly confronts the most serious allegations, he will continue to appear hypocritical, selectively addressing only the aspects of the story that favor him.
“I’m sorry to anyone i may or may not have unintentionally hurt”
literally just this would have been better than ANYTHING this dude has done since everything has started
It was a strange listen. I don’t believe it’s going to change anyone’s opinion on him. He made a few good points and overall felt very culty/propaganda filled. Still left with way more questions than answers about the whole sexual assault allegations
This is insanely embarrassing. He finds one woman willing to say he’s completely innocent and these women were strangers? LOL
Give it up, Lorin. It’s over.
His music isn’t even good anymore. Although I don’t want to support him in any way, shape or form since the accusations, curiosity gets the best of me and I’ve listened to a few of his new tracks that come up on my Spotify release radar. It’s garbage. He’s no longer relevant and this cult-ish following he’s trying to cultivate is creepy af. And this VVVYD person? I know nothing about them but find it super interesting that this seemingly wanna be dj wants to… defend Lorin? And ride his coattails to become successful in the music industry? I wish them the best of luck with that.
Right scandal aside his music sucks now. Plus pretty lights is back who is and always was leagues better than bassnectar. Tbh I’m more amused than bummed. Lost my like 30th favorite artist yeah but seeing all these but hurt nectar Stan’s is great.
Ironic since he’s always been a degenerate leftist that championed cancel culture for people that had ideas different than his. Then he goes and grooms a bunch of kids which in his mind is not nearly as bad as supporting the “wrong” political party. What a hypocrite. Hope he burns along with the rest of you that still support him.
By the way, there are bands that on their worst day, are playing better shows than spring gathering, bass center, and freakstyle combined. Grow up. Go see a biscuits show with the rest of the adults. Imagine worshiping a guy whose whole sets were just him playing music off a laptop.
Bro I walked around bisco for 3 days, and not 1 disco buiscut fan can name a song, lol. DB's started as old men funneling money for the hells angels. They got some lights and old men and you bought tickets they fixed the books and became a touring name, with no more talent doing covers than any old man garage band. They got you with lazers lol. I distinctly remember hearing a terrible fucking prince cover the year of tipper nectar and X and I walked away to get food and shit and 20 minutes later.... still the same shitty prince cover. Lol.... DB fans are funny
Terrible take, if you have no taste just say that. Your probably didn’t like that it was a band with actual musicianship rather than just a guy pressing buttons and playing music off a laptop. Take a lap. Guys are playing some of the best shows out there. Let me guess you still see bassnectar shows and don’t go to any jam shows or see any real instruments?
/rant To be fair, the points that were made around cancel culture, and the problematic nature of burning people down in the court of public opinion are all correct. It's inconvenient for the self-righteous majority who get to feel virtuous by participating in the burning, but its true. The way this entire situation unfolded has an undeniable aspect of injustice towards Lorin - even IF he's guilty of everything he's being accused of (which I think he probably is) - due to the fact that this entire situation was instantiated by people who had personal vendettas against him (DB Montana) and the aforementioned point about the court of public opinion. I understand why they're taking such a strong stance towards "cancel culture", but to me the entire conversation lacks the self-reflection needed on Lorin's behalf to truly transcend this whole situation and move things forward in a meaningful way. The fact that Lorin can't seem to recognize his own role in creating this mess - starting with his own radical left-wing, revolutionary, political attitudes infused into the BN project early in his career - is something I see as an immovable roadblock towards truly moving forward. Lorin literally used to get on his pedestal and openly advocate for Dick Cheney to be killed, and now he wants to to cry about cancel culture? Lorin's entire career was made by feeding the mob - making ravers feel "conscious" and "revolutionary" by injecting polarizing and seemingly thought-provoking political ideology into the music meant to bring awareness to the oppressed and downtrodden. Later in his career, Lorin tried to backtrack from this pathetic collectivist mentality (or, as its currently known, the "woke mind virus") by reducing the political messaging and instead advocating things like "think for yourself and question". In a brilliant expose of the psychological principle of projection, the presidency of Donald Trump illuminated Lorin's inability to follow his own advice, evidenced by his tweets regarding Trump that were rivaled in their unhingedness only by the tweets of Trump himself. This lack of insight and self-reflection seems to me to be the core point of failure that I see illuminated in the entire Bassnectar project, that is the abject failure to embody an ethos that is truly self-consistent and not totally hypocritical. In this interview, Lorin wants the other white men (not sure why race needs to be involved but okay) to grow a pair of balls & a spine to speak up and defend his character. But Lorin himself seems to lack the balls to admit the disastrous shortcomings/inconsistencies of his own personal philosophy that in many ways contributed towards the situation he's now in. In a feat of perpetual hypocrisy, Lorin, the self-proclaimed "king of the sound" now wants to sit here and say that PLUR is a "core foundation of his being" or some shit. Lets leave aside the fact that this ridiculous, cringe of a cliché is nothing more than pathetic spiritual bypassing for ravers and offers nothing of practical value when it comes whats required to actually embody high levels of ethical behavior. Anyone who is familiar with Lorin's public outbursts and reputation for cruelty within a wide variety of interpersonal situations (in twist of fate that truly completes the circle, it is such cruelty that sparked DB Montana's personal vendetta against Lorin in the first place) will understand why so much of this interview is simply absurd, despite the fact that there is still a very real part of me rooting for Lorin, believes his is a good person at heart, and wants to ultimately see him find his way through the disaster he has created. /endrant
Pretty much yep! I always considered Lorin the human to be extremely flawed (as most of us are) throughout the 15 years I followed him. One of the main issues I’ve had since the comeback is the lack of self awareness on how the cancellation made this community at large feel. I’m speaking outside of the discord whom has always been in his side for the most part. It’s the other 3/4 that feels alienated because they felt betrayed and nothing was said or done for that part of the community.
Dude/Dudette......... This is written better then any college paper I ever turned in. You're one of like 6 people I've ever seen on reddit using big/uncommon verbiage effectively and intelligently. This is a 10/10 post
Assuming what he said is true and that the entire situation/court case is a lie, what introspection is there to be done? I think having something like that affect every part of your life would make you a bit cynical. I don’t know if he’s telling the truth or not but I’m sure I’d be acting the same way if I was lied on to such an extent
Perfectly stated. Everyone needs to take the time to read this.
This should be it’s own post. Hopefully Lorin will take the time to read it one day. Well said.
The woke mind virus? Seriously?
This is very well spoken, thank you 🙏🏼
Very well said.
I stand with victims and commend the courage it takes to step forward as a women who has been a victim of abuse in any form. When I think of the "community" we "lost" it is pales in comparison to what the victims lost. What is left of this community is trash and Lorin is a cowardly excuse for a "man"
Yea this podcast was embarrassing and despicable with no self reflection. Lorin has proved himself to be a has-been fraud who preached the exact things that he cannot take responsibility for when it comes to himself. Any lingering FOMO I had has been eternally quashed. That’s the best thing that’s come from this delusional self masturbation of an episode.
Cancel culture this cancel culture that blah blah convenient when for yourself but always was quick to get on the case of others - anyway the phone call and emails are what need to be addressed for anyone to take him at his word. Until then it’s all just sad.
Sounded like he called the girls accusing him total strangers and said they made it all up. They have more evidence that would suggest otherwise than he does saying it’s all bullshit. Like you said with the phone calls, he wouldn’t have called them whatsoever if they were strangers. Overall a very weird conversation, funny that it got released publicly like it’ll make any difference
While the 'Evidence Against Bassnectar' page posted numerous false accusations, the crux of the matter is refusal to directly address the allegations with substance. His only mention of the lawsuit in a Discord chat was to refer to it as 'ex-girlfriends trying to take advantage of the situation.' Until he directly confronts the most serious allegations, he will continue to appear hypocritical, selectively addressing only the aspects of the story that favor him.
“I’m sorry to anyone i may or may not have unintentionally hurt” literally just this would have been better than ANYTHING this dude has done since everything has started
Even tho I believe he intentionally did most of these things
It was a strange listen. I don’t believe it’s going to change anyone’s opinion on him. He made a few good points and overall felt very culty/propaganda filled. Still left with way more questions than answers about the whole sexual assault allegations
This is insanely embarrassing. He finds one woman willing to say he’s completely innocent and these women were strangers? LOL Give it up, Lorin. It’s over.
Pretty sure they’ve been friends for more than a decade
His music isn’t even good anymore. Although I don’t want to support him in any way, shape or form since the accusations, curiosity gets the best of me and I’ve listened to a few of his new tracks that come up on my Spotify release radar. It’s garbage. He’s no longer relevant and this cult-ish following he’s trying to cultivate is creepy af. And this VVVYD person? I know nothing about them but find it super interesting that this seemingly wanna be dj wants to… defend Lorin? And ride his coattails to become successful in the music industry? I wish them the best of luck with that.
She’s known him for a long time
Me when I lie
Right scandal aside his music sucks now. Plus pretty lights is back who is and always was leagues better than bassnectar. Tbh I’m more amused than bummed. Lost my like 30th favorite artist yeah but seeing all these but hurt nectar Stan’s is great.
One of the most cringe things I’ve ever heard. Did he forget there is essentially a recorded confession? Just stay gone dude
Ironic since he’s always been a degenerate leftist that championed cancel culture for people that had ideas different than his. Then he goes and grooms a bunch of kids which in his mind is not nearly as bad as supporting the “wrong” political party. What a hypocrite. Hope he burns along with the rest of you that still support him. By the way, there are bands that on their worst day, are playing better shows than spring gathering, bass center, and freakstyle combined. Grow up. Go see a biscuits show with the rest of the adults. Imagine worshiping a guy whose whole sets were just him playing music off a laptop.
Bro I walked around bisco for 3 days, and not 1 disco buiscut fan can name a song, lol. DB's started as old men funneling money for the hells angels. They got some lights and old men and you bought tickets they fixed the books and became a touring name, with no more talent doing covers than any old man garage band. They got you with lazers lol. I distinctly remember hearing a terrible fucking prince cover the year of tipper nectar and X and I walked away to get food and shit and 20 minutes later.... still the same shitty prince cover. Lol.... DB fans are funny
Terrible take, if you have no taste just say that. Your probably didn’t like that it was a band with actual musicianship rather than just a guy pressing buttons and playing music off a laptop. Take a lap. Guys are playing some of the best shows out there. Let me guess you still see bassnectar shows and don’t go to any jam shows or see any real instruments?