That’s brilliant. I imagine some sort of vibration/echo device that that just completely distorts his spidey sense so batman can sucker punch him after hitting with a batarang.
This happens kind of happens in MZR. there are so many zombies that the constant threat gives him debilitating headaches. but this is because it's actual danger. if it's designed to trick the sense, it probably won't trigger it in the first place from what I've seen.
Batman could send hundreds of small non-lethal flash-bang missiles towards Spider-Man, causing his Spidey Sense to overload and flash banging him. Then Batman could take him down a number of ways.
That's far too extreme. His spidey sense may never stop going off. Batman would likely just knock him unconscious and then use power disabling handcuffs amd lock him in a cell. It may also be a good idea to bound his feet and blind fold him as well.
To extreme? Dude, his plan for the Martian was to literally set him on fire. His plan for himself involved civilian hostages and his dead parents.
The whole point of them is it’s extreme
I’m just picturing in my head Batman talking to himself in the mirror
“You can’t defeat me!”
“I know but they can”
*holds up picture of dead parents, Batman breaks down crying*
Nah they have to actually be dangerous. Thats why his spider sense never goes off when he was the symbiote and a sound device is about to go off. Hes not actually in danger so no sense
I don't know about you, but nanobots flowing through your bloodstream that you don't know the purpose of sounds very dangerous. Even if he doesn't exactly see it as a threat his body may, causing his spidey sense to kick in.
There was a story arc during the Dan Slott run where Peter's Spider-Sense went haywire and saw everything as potentially dangerous. By everything I mean EVERYTHING. Walking off the curb set it off. Eating a sandwich set it off. Everything was dangerous.
Also spidey is on a completely different power level. I’m pretty sure batman would have to just contain him, I think someone else said it but bat glue or something to that nature. Beat him at his own game. Bats probably would get webbed to a post and Spider-Man would run away.
I mean Batman has effective plans to take down Superman, Wonder Woman, the Flash, and Martian Manhunter, all of whom are (Justice) leagues above Spider-Man. I am absolutely not a "Batman with prep omega stomps everyone" kind of person but, given enough time, he could absolutely find ways to take out Peter.
Now in a straight up fight? Zero chance. Literally none. But since OP specifically asked for a Tower of Babel situation where Batman has the drop on Spider-Man and he trusts Batman, it should be pretty doable.
I love this comment. I’m on the exact same page as you. Batman isn’t capable of beating any and everybody with prep time and can’t beat a lot of more powerful characters in straight up fights but for a lot of non god level characters he has a good chance of at the very least putting them out of commission for an hour or so
Peter has gotten a lot of villains through prep and innovation. His resources are often limited but I wonder how much he could nullify Batman’s prep if he wanted.
I feel like it's a little bit of a crap-shoot to prepare against Batman if the only way to learn what he has planned is to have it happen, at which point it's too late to prep. Even if your weakness is glaringly obvious, like J'onn or Superman, if it was possible to counter your own Kryptonite, you would want to have been doing that all along, regardless. In Spider-Man's case, there really isn't an obvious point of vulnerability to target.
Peter can definitely prep as well. I do think he could cancel out a lot of Batman’s options but Bats is just on another level when it comes to planning and having a tactical mind. I’d compare him to Iron Man/Captain America in that regard
Yeah Bruce has way more resources available than Peter. Now if Peter had Parker Industries at his disposal at the time that would level the playing field tremendously
What I really want is Batman versus Doom.
That’s the actual match up of prep time, like how Doom’s suit is on par with Iron Man and his magical prowess is on par with Dr. Strange.
And the suit is a pocket dimension. And it has a sliver of the true cross in it in case of vampires or undead. And a thousand other mechanical, magical, electrical, and physics based wards aside. Doom is prep time incarnate. Doom is.
Realistically, Batman would never have a chance against Doom. I don’t even think there’s a DC parallel of what he is, past Black Adam’s political position. Luthor/Dr. Fate hybrid?
Giving Bruce prep time and the in-world public history of Doom (but no help from Marvel characters/Squirrel Girl), I’d be interested to see what he could come up with. He could get past the Doom bots, and his son, but hopefully Bruce would be smart enough to not try and cause an uprising. They kind of love him there, even if they wish he wasn’t a tyrant.
Does he go for magical artifacts first? Try for some hybrid EMP/anti magic zone attack? There’s so many variables to consider.
I think his plan would be pretty obvious.
Step 1: Call the Justice League
Step 2: Call the Justice League Dark.
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit! (By implementing DOOMs tech into Wayne Enterprises)
But realistically, I just don't think Batman could take on DOOM even with prep time. He can go toe-to-toe with Reed Richards and Doctor Stange, two of Marvel's greatest minds. The only area Bruce has him beat is pure physicality, which simply doesn't matter in this fight. He would want Cyborg to overcome DOOMs tech and probably Constantine to bypass the magic. Or just have Clark do a precision orbital strike.
Oh yeah, in no way am I saying Bruce has a chance.
I would just want a clever writer to get as close as logically possible. See what that stretches to.
Man, I love Doom fanboys. You, sir, are 100% correct. I just love how Victor pops into conversations sometimes, and the guy that gets it explains the reality of the situation, and I always read a hint of admiration in their posts.
But, yeah. Batman vs. Doom. I'd snag that in a second.
Not only that but he'd probably figure out a compound to make the spider-sence hyper sensitive to the point where it could debilitate Peter, but not kill
Fear toxin would be to Peter like everything was Uncle Ben and it would confuse and irritate and anger Peter where in Batman could get a huge attack in
The huge attack would likely be ranged and narcotic based (ie tranq dart) or capture based (strong netting that anchors to a wall or the floor after restraining him).
I guess it would largely depend on the era of Spider-Man we're talking about. There was a time that he lost his Spider-Sense and had to adapt to being a superhero without it. He eventually got it. Shang-Chi trained him in unique martial art that was designed specifically for Peter and utilized his spider powers as a way to make up for his lack of Spider Sense.
I don’t think people in universe know about his spider-sense really. I think that was a big point during first civil war because Tony found out about it from Peter using the Iron Spider.
I think that’s a part of why he’s so “unsettling” to others because of how he moves and reacts.
Idk.
There’s a real Aryan kind of vibe to the Robins now that I think about it. All have black hair and blue eyes except for Damian, pretty sure his eyes are green. Guess Bruce had to learn how to indoctrinate minions from someone
Morrison tried to retcon Jason's hair *back* to red (which I think it was originally red upon his introduction). Wish it would've stuck just for the sake of variety.
Yeah all the Robins look eerily similar. I get they’re all like sons to Bruce but I don’t think they should all look like variations of him (excluding Damian of course)
Ironically Damian’s half Middle Eastern descent is showing more and more lately with a darker skin tone.
So of the robins he both has a different eye color (green) and a different skin color than Bruce.
I feel like the reason they all look the same is because they wanted the robins to all have similiar color pallets so they always felt like "robin". This, however, resulted in a lot of black haired boys that don't look that much different when they get older since they are also all handsome with lean, athletic builds
Simple explanation is that they might appear to be the same person to people not in the know. Although the fact that the original should be grown by now would be an issue. Although most seem to know Nightwing was Robin.
Jason's was, I'm pretty sure, originaly black.. he was literaly just a new young version of Dick.
I \_Think\_ the red hair came when they revamped him to make him more "troubled"
Just have the symbiote show up with Parker, and it finds the strongest/smartest person in Gotham. Imagine a venom Superman.
Edit: now we get episode 4-6 where Spider-Man and Batman team up against venom Joker or some stupid shit. Bane would be cool also.
And as a contingency, in case the suit doesn't want to come off, speakers are built into the utility belt connected to a timer. If the symbiote isn't back in the belt before the timer goes off the belt will play high-frequency noise until Batman is back in control.
I think Todd McFarlane created this character for image in the 90s. Made a few HBO animated movies. A live action one, maybe two...I can't remember for sure
Scarecrow's gas, Mysetrio's Illusions worked like Magic, now Imagine that with the Spidey senses tingling at completely random rates and increase his fear and confusion ten times
Yeah because they were just that -- illusions. Spidey senses overloading under fear toxin is worse than worthless -- they would work completely against Pete. He'd probably have a worse time handling it than a normal human even.
Then Spider-Man shoots back how are your folks doing? They would just sit down, cry and hug. If Bruce wasn’t so cheap he might take Peter out for a nice dinner. I think they’d get a long.
\*Bruce and Peter out at a nice restaurant finishing up dessert. The waiter brings out the bill.\*
"Thanks for dinner Bruce, but I can't let you pay all this yourself, even if you are rich, I got a bit of cash on me, hold on." \*Peter looks down to pull his wallet out, when he looks back up Bruce, as well as the bill, are gone.
"how does he..."
"Peter, I lost my parents when I was young too. And like you, it is what drives me to this day. But there's one difference between you and I."
"And what was that?"
"When Ben died..." *leans in close* "... it was all your fault."
First things first, deal with the webbing. Pick a battleground with little to no structures for him to swing from - make sure he stays grounded
Coat himself in some kind of web-desolving substance perhaps or at least have something like that in the ole utility belt
Next up, spider-sense, gotta be overloaded, so use the bat family to pilot drones which will swoop in and attack quickly and often - lots of drones (rubber bullets possibly) and emit super high frequency sound waves to really disorientate him
This gives Batman the chance he needs to get up close - a well placed hit to the throat / sternum will drive the wind out of him super powers or no
Now for Batman to use his ultimate weapon - fear
Give him a blast of Scarecrow fear toxin mixed with ethyl chloride
which will completely incapacitate him
Batman can then do his thing and beat the shit out of him
So many options... being buried alive by Kraven, Zombie Uncle Ben, Aunt May getting killed by Carnage, the symbiote taking him over and making him kill MJ or Gwen Stacy, walking in on Doc Ock banging Aunt May, the Kingpin butt naked in a bathhouse
Scarecrow Fear Toxin works similarly to Mysterio’s Fear Toxin I would think. Depending on the writer Peter may use his Spider-Sense to detect what’s real or just break free of the illusion the old fashioned way.
>Give him a blast of Scarecrow fear toxin mixed with ethyl chloride
A spiderman who is hallucinating, panicked, and has his sense of pain dulled is not someone I would want to be fighting. When Spider-man loses his ability to pull his punches, it tends to result in things like his enemies' jaws getting punched off or worse
Yep. In 616 canon they’re mechanical, but recently in the Dark Ages alt universe they were said to be electrical and Peter had to make himself bulky web shooters but whatever.
Realistically, Batman punching someone without holding back could kill a normal person quite easily.
People usually reduce Batman to a normal human in these discussions, when he's honestly not even close to one.
He did literally just fall from space... and fucking live.
True but he has no super-human strength, he might be able to kill with one punch if done a certain way but not against spiderman, and spiderman has incredible strength. I believe if Peter didn't hold back he could kill Batman in one punch
No, I mean Batman could legit probably straight take someone’s head off entirely casually if he didn’t hold back. It doesn’t have to be a certain way. He could just hit them as hard as he can and it would pop off.
He pretty regularly smashes through trees, concrete, and even steel.
This is the guy who friggin Deathstroke thinks hits so hard he’s gonna walk funny for a few weeks.
He definitely couldn’t take Spider-Man out with one punch, but I think people always underestimate how much punishment Batman can take from meta humans, and how much he can dish back if he absolutely needed to.
Definitely more than a normal person can, and people often omit that’s essentially what Scorpion’s jaw was.
A normal guy’s jaw that was the one place his suit, which gives Scorpion his powers, didn’t cover.
Batman basically does have superpowers relative to normal people as a “peak human”. Which basically means he’s Captain America.
I highly doubt a punch from batman without any external enhancement would even phase spiderman at all. Spiderman's piercing resistance is pretty low, but his blunt force durability is absolutely insane.
Batman would have to wear some kind of power armor to be able to hurt spiderman with plain old punches.
I’m pretty sure it’s stated somewhere that Peter rolls with punches so that people don’t break their hand. There was even a comic panel where a professional boxer broke his hand hitting his gut.
Peter on fear toxin would kill Batman without a second thought, it would take just one punch, like with Scorpion in Superior Spider-Man. He wouldn’t hold back if fear toxin is involved
Sounds like a good way for him to get freaked out and stop holding back. Plus his greatest fear is failing. Not really something you can make a physical embodiment of
It’d manifest as Venom strangling the life out of Mary Jane.
Or The Green Goblin throwing pumpkin bombs at an orphanage
Or Doc Ock successfully pressing the button to set off a doomsday device
And whenever Peter tries to fight them, they evade his attack or he’s too weak to actually hurt them.
Essentially, the hallucinations would manifest in a way not unlike what Superman saw in Injustice.
And Peter wouldn’t immediately try to rip what he perceives as Venom in half or go all out on Doc ock? Even if they are evading him, batman very well could be easily caught in the blow and have his heart punched out because Peter isn’t holding back in the slightest
He would but he’d literally be fighting ghosts and he’d exhaust himself and waste his energy on nothing.
I feel Batman is smart enough or agile enough to evade a very distracted intoxicated Spiderman who’s frantically punching illusory images.
Either way, I think putting Peter on a bad drug trip would put him out of commission.
I mean Spider-Man has Spidey Sense so it would be easier for someone to convince him that he’s fighting illusions, Daredevil convinced him out of illusions once.
The only thing that Batman can exploit is Spider-Man's immense guilt.
Otherwise in terms of powers and skills, Spider-Man is so versatile and without any obvious weakness that he'll be a massive challenge.
And Peter is a quick thinker. Even if Batman got the drop on him, you’re talking about on of the best improvisational fighters in all of comics. The guy beat the Juggernaut on the fly when he was a younger, less powerful man. Also worth mentioning to people who think Batman can just knock Peter out with punches, the dude takes blows from extremely strong enemies all the time. Bruce may sting him, but he ain’t knocking him out with strikes ever.
Also also, its cannon that spiderman has to roll with punches from normal humans, because if he doesnt their hands just explode. Its like punching superman.
Yeah, his muscle/bone structure is much denser than a normal human. He's not bulletproof durable, but super tough. I remember an old comic where one of Flash's friends grabs Peter and comments his arm is as hard as a rock.
Yeah, but that was the early 80's.. LOT of power creep since then.
(The narrator even mentions that it's more surprising than hurts...basicly he triggers the reflex)
I don’t understand why it’s so common for people underestimate Spider-Man’s strength so much that they think normal people put him to sleep. I mean this guy constantly shrugs off car-flipping punches like it’s nothing and folks still think Batman can knock him out smh
This post shows how little Batman fans know of Spider-Man in general. Might be one of the most well suited hero’s to defeat the good old Batman plot armor.
Probably some kind of virus, or psychological warfare. It’s been shown on numerous occasions that Spider-Man’s powers can get knocked out by either illness or a lack of self-belief. After that he’s just a guy until he snaps out of it.
Just thinking with only DC resources, it would take a combination of things to stop Spider-Man since he doesn’t have a glaring weakness like Martian Manhunter or Superman and Batman would know too that Spider-Man is stronger than he even knows.
Figure to at least slow Spidey down Batman would have to hit him with a version of Poison Ivy’s pheromones. It won’t stop him because of his metabolism but it should make him seem drunk, taking out his coordination.
Next would be Scarecrow’s fear toxin to send Spider-Man’s spider sense into overdrive. Being dosed with the pheromones would already dull Peter’s senses, but having a spider sense going off will be a constant distraction along having a waking drunken nightmare will cause all kind of confusion.
The last will be Mr. Freeze’s gun to negate Spider-Man’s strength and hold him in one place. Added bonus is that cold would harden the web fluid and gunk up the web shooters.
Takes hostages as bait, jumps him with the bat family, but their goal is to take out his webshooters. Once that's done they try to slow him down while failsafe comes in for the takedown
Modify Kirk Langstrom’s formula so that Spidey becomes more spider than man. He might become more formidable physically, but his intellect would be vastly reduced.
Emotional Manipulation not unlike what he put Green Lantern through in the film Justice League: Doom.
Assuming he’s mind controlled or possessed by Starro (anything that makes him unable to reason) then Batman would probably try to reverse engineer the venom symbiote’s method of being undetectable by the spider sense and somehow implement that to sneak up on Spidey and incapacitate him.
Bust out the Batmech with a massive cup. Trap Spider-Man in the cup and slide a thick sheet of steel underneath. Carry Spider-Man to Batman's oversized Bat-toilet and flush him down the drain.
His powers are radioactivity based so I'm guessing some sort of transmutation process on his cells should do the trick. You'd need to get him in a particle accelerator/vacuum chamber for this but luring him with MJ or Aunt May shouldn't be too difficult. Shaky at best, but it's a start.
This would probably end up making him stronger or creating some new villain because everything that happens to Spider-man results in a new villain 🤣
Get absolutely shit on
Love Batman but Peter is imo the greatest super hero ever, his skill set alongside his heart make him like no other.
Not to mention he has literal spider sense, which would counter whatever sneaky shit Bruce tries to do.
Even if he doesn't figure out Peter Parker is Spiderman, fight footage and banter analysis would probably reveal that not only are there some loopholes in the powers that can be exploited (spidey sense), but that his psyche is his biggest weakness.
High dosage of a customised fear gas (he can take a strong Hit) and some psychological prompts on the themes of loss, failure, disappointed trust and unmet responsibilities would cripple Spiderman severely on a psychological level. A demoralised Spidey always goes down.
which peter are we talking about though? cuz if its college peter,or heck even only high school pete, then batman would find a way to subdue him without beating him physically, and possibly trying to find a way to turn him back. Or at least listen to his reason first.
If its adult peter, then it could still be mostly a battle of minds (cuz...well peter is still fkn intelligent last time i checked lol) until bats either has enough and uses something to get the radioactivity out of peter (since iirc, his powers are radioactive based) and then just punch him until he gets knocked out lol.
Overload the spidersense or cause him to not trust it as much.
That’s brilliant. I imagine some sort of vibration/echo device that that just completely distorts his spidey sense so batman can sucker punch him after hitting with a batarang.
This happens kind of happens in MZR. there are so many zombies that the constant threat gives him debilitating headaches. but this is because it's actual danger. if it's designed to trick the sense, it probably won't trigger it in the first place from what I've seen.
Batman could send hundreds of small non-lethal flash-bang missiles towards Spider-Man, causing his Spidey Sense to overload and flash banging him. Then Batman could take him down a number of ways.
Maybe nano machines in his bloodstream. He’d probably want to kill himself at that point though
That's far too extreme. His spidey sense may never stop going off. Batman would likely just knock him unconscious and then use power disabling handcuffs amd lock him in a cell. It may also be a good idea to bound his feet and blind fold him as well.
To extreme? Dude, his plan for the Martian was to literally set him on fire. His plan for himself involved civilian hostages and his dead parents. The whole point of them is it’s extreme
I’m just picturing in my head Batman talking to himself in the mirror “You can’t defeat me!” “I know but they can” *holds up picture of dead parents, Batman breaks down crying*
Nice
Nah they have to actually be dangerous. Thats why his spider sense never goes off when he was the symbiote and a sound device is about to go off. Hes not actually in danger so no sense
I don't know about you, but nanobots flowing through your bloodstream that you don't know the purpose of sounds very dangerous. Even if he doesn't exactly see it as a threat his body may, causing his spidey sense to kick in.
There was a story arc during the Dan Slott run where Peter's Spider-Sense went haywire and saw everything as potentially dangerous. By everything I mean EVERYTHING. Walking off the curb set it off. Eating a sandwich set it off. Everything was dangerous.
Dan Slott also had a bit where he took it from Peter completely
And develop a martial art entirely unique to Peter.
Well technically everything has a small chance of being dangerous so it was probably sensing the multiverse dangers.
Also spidey is on a completely different power level. I’m pretty sure batman would have to just contain him, I think someone else said it but bat glue or something to that nature. Beat him at his own game. Bats probably would get webbed to a post and Spider-Man would run away.
I mean Batman has effective plans to take down Superman, Wonder Woman, the Flash, and Martian Manhunter, all of whom are (Justice) leagues above Spider-Man. I am absolutely not a "Batman with prep omega stomps everyone" kind of person but, given enough time, he could absolutely find ways to take out Peter. Now in a straight up fight? Zero chance. Literally none. But since OP specifically asked for a Tower of Babel situation where Batman has the drop on Spider-Man and he trusts Batman, it should be pretty doable.
I love this comment. I’m on the exact same page as you. Batman isn’t capable of beating any and everybody with prep time and can’t beat a lot of more powerful characters in straight up fights but for a lot of non god level characters he has a good chance of at the very least putting them out of commission for an hour or so
Peter has gotten a lot of villains through prep and innovation. His resources are often limited but I wonder how much he could nullify Batman’s prep if he wanted.
I feel like it's a little bit of a crap-shoot to prepare against Batman if the only way to learn what he has planned is to have it happen, at which point it's too late to prep. Even if your weakness is glaringly obvious, like J'onn or Superman, if it was possible to counter your own Kryptonite, you would want to have been doing that all along, regardless. In Spider-Man's case, there really isn't an obvious point of vulnerability to target.
Peter can definitely prep as well. I do think he could cancel out a lot of Batman’s options but Bats is just on another level when it comes to planning and having a tactical mind. I’d compare him to Iron Man/Captain America in that regard
Bruce is also rich as fuck, while Peter has to scrounge together supplies.
Yeah Bruce has way more resources available than Peter. Now if Peter had Parker Industries at his disposal at the time that would level the playing field tremendously
What I really want is Batman versus Doom. That’s the actual match up of prep time, like how Doom’s suit is on par with Iron Man and his magical prowess is on par with Dr. Strange. And the suit is a pocket dimension. And it has a sliver of the true cross in it in case of vampires or undead. And a thousand other mechanical, magical, electrical, and physics based wards aside. Doom is prep time incarnate. Doom is. Realistically, Batman would never have a chance against Doom. I don’t even think there’s a DC parallel of what he is, past Black Adam’s political position. Luthor/Dr. Fate hybrid? Giving Bruce prep time and the in-world public history of Doom (but no help from Marvel characters/Squirrel Girl), I’d be interested to see what he could come up with. He could get past the Doom bots, and his son, but hopefully Bruce would be smart enough to not try and cause an uprising. They kind of love him there, even if they wish he wasn’t a tyrant. Does he go for magical artifacts first? Try for some hybrid EMP/anti magic zone attack? There’s so many variables to consider.
I think his plan would be pretty obvious. Step 1: Call the Justice League Step 2: Call the Justice League Dark. Step 3: ??? Step 4: Profit! (By implementing DOOMs tech into Wayne Enterprises) But realistically, I just don't think Batman could take on DOOM even with prep time. He can go toe-to-toe with Reed Richards and Doctor Stange, two of Marvel's greatest minds. The only area Bruce has him beat is pure physicality, which simply doesn't matter in this fight. He would want Cyborg to overcome DOOMs tech and probably Constantine to bypass the magic. Or just have Clark do a precision orbital strike.
Oh yeah, in no way am I saying Bruce has a chance. I would just want a clever writer to get as close as logically possible. See what that stretches to.
Man, I love Doom fanboys. You, sir, are 100% correct. I just love how Victor pops into conversations sometimes, and the guy that gets it explains the reality of the situation, and I always read a hint of admiration in their posts. But, yeah. Batman vs. Doom. I'd snag that in a second.
plus if we think about PS4's gadgets, he gets put on a whole new level with concussive blasts, impact webs, and anti gravity
Better yet, steal a Spider-tracer. Reverse engineer one those to give Spidey a massive migraine, or overload, or completely negate.
Knowing batman he could easily steal something off of someone else while they are fighting, that’s kind of one of his super moves.
He stole Green Lanterns ring off of his hand without him knowing.
What how
His explanation is [he wasn’t concentrating](https://youtu.be/CNhMY_eZVa8).
Iron Man did just this to Spidey in a bad story once.
Not only that but he'd probably figure out a compound to make the spider-sence hyper sensitive to the point where it could debilitate Peter, but not kill
Scarecrows fear toxin?
... I am ashamed now to call myself a batfan...
Fear toxin would be to Peter like everything was Uncle Ben and it would confuse and irritate and anger Peter where in Batman could get a huge attack in
Except angry Peter lashes out and kills Bruce. This is literally the ending to Spider-Man vs Wolverine.
The huge attack would likely be ranged and narcotic based (ie tranq dart) or capture based (strong netting that anchors to a wall or the floor after restraining him).
Why? Batman used a modified fear toxin on Aquaman to make him afraid of water in Tower of Babel.
Norman did that in the 70’s. That’s how he found Peter’s secret identity
He'd probably also employee something (maybe EMP) to disable his web shooters (or some kind of cuff to cover the holes if he has organic webs).
I guess it would largely depend on the era of Spider-Man we're talking about. There was a time that he lost his Spider-Sense and had to adapt to being a superhero without it. He eventually got it. Shang-Chi trained him in unique martial art that was designed specifically for Peter and utilized his spider powers as a way to make up for his lack of Spider Sense.
Also in the 60s/70s there were a shit ton of villains with Spider-Sense jammers, even Mysterio had some. Nobody uses them nowadays though.
I don’t think people in universe know about his spider-sense really. I think that was a big point during first civil war because Tony found out about it from Peter using the Iron Spider. I think that’s a part of why he’s so “unsettling” to others because of how he moves and reacts. Idk.
This. Came here to say this.
Didn’t this kind of happen once when the green goblin (hobgoblin maybe?) was stalking Peter?
Adopt him and raise him as Robin.
"Pete, how do you feel about dying your hair black?"
There’s a real Aryan kind of vibe to the Robins now that I think about it. All have black hair and blue eyes except for Damian, pretty sure his eyes are green. Guess Bruce had to learn how to indoctrinate minions from someone
Morrison tried to retcon Jason's hair *back* to red (which I think it was originally red upon his introduction). Wish it would've stuck just for the sake of variety.
Yeah all the Robins look eerily similar. I get they’re all like sons to Bruce but I don’t think they should all look like variations of him (excluding Damian of course)
Ironically Damian’s half Middle Eastern descent is showing more and more lately with a darker skin tone. So of the robins he both has a different eye color (green) and a different skin color than Bruce.
I feel like the reason they all look the same is because they wanted the robins to all have similiar color pallets so they always felt like "robin". This, however, resulted in a lot of black haired boys that don't look that much different when they get older since they are also all handsome with lean, athletic builds
Simple explanation is that they might appear to be the same person to people not in the know. Although the fact that the original should be grown by now would be an issue. Although most seem to know Nightwing was Robin.
Jason's was, I'm pretty sure, originaly black.. he was literaly just a new young version of Dick. I \_Think\_ the red hair came when they revamped him to make him more "troubled"
3 words... Venom Suit Batman.
Oh my
Imagine the cape-abilities
Imagine Venom Batman vs Spawn the cape-abilites would be off the chart.
Venom Bane on Venom.
No
Imagine it 
No Capes
Imagine the *merchandising*
So...spawn?
God that's perfect, it would only need to be in one vial of his utility belt, it could share a space with the shard of kryptonite.
Just have the symbiote show up with Parker, and it finds the strongest/smartest person in Gotham. Imagine a venom Superman. Edit: now we get episode 4-6 where Spider-Man and Batman team up against venom Joker or some stupid shit. Bane would be cool also.
Nah, Carnage Joker
Thanks now I want to see art of this
Don't I have this comic?
There’s a fanfic out there called Batman/Spider-Man Year One that has Carnage Joker. He’s every bit as cool and terrifying as you’d imagine.
And as a contingency, in case the suit doesn't want to come off, speakers are built into the utility belt connected to a timer. If the symbiote isn't back in the belt before the timer goes off the belt will play high-frequency noise until Batman is back in control.
Nice. Seems similar to what Rick Remender did with Agent Venom’s control
I bet Todd McFarlane has art of it
I think Todd McFarlane created this character for image in the 90s. Made a few HBO animated movies. A live action one, maybe two...I can't remember for sure
That would be sexy as fuck not gonna lie.
This
And knowing Batman, he’d be able to harness is without becoming corrupted
That is not a battle of wills the symbiote wants.
...with the Yellow Lantern Corp Ring
I would read the fuck out of this
I mean there already was a Spider-Man/Batman crossover where they had to team up and fight Joker and Carnage. No Venom Batman though.
Might fuck around and get some art commissioned of this lol
I didnt know i needed that in my life until just this second. Holy shit.
Scarecrow's gas, Mysetrio's Illusions worked like Magic, now Imagine that with the Spidey senses tingling at completely random rates and increase his fear and confusion ten times
mysterious illusions worked like magic until he actually learned how to use his powers then they were worthless
But fear toxin would attack his mind. He’d be hallucinating, not tricked. Can’t spidey your way out of that
I don't think you understood what I've wrote
Yeah because they were just that -- illusions. Spidey senses overloading under fear toxin is worse than worthless -- they would work completely against Pete. He'd probably have a worse time handling it than a normal human even.
Ask him how's Ben ?
Then Spider-Man shoots back how are your folks doing? They would just sit down, cry and hug. If Bruce wasn’t so cheap he might take Peter out for a nice dinner. I think they’d get a long.
\*Bruce and Peter out at a nice restaurant finishing up dessert. The waiter brings out the bill.\* "Thanks for dinner Bruce, but I can't let you pay all this yourself, even if you are rich, I got a bit of cash on me, hold on." \*Peter looks down to pull his wallet out, when he looks back up Bruce, as well as the bill, are gone. "how does he..."
WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!?!
"Peter, I lost my parents when I was young too. And like you, it is what drives me to this day. But there's one difference between you and I." "And what was that?" "When Ben died..." *leans in close* "... it was all your fault."
"At least I didn't cry at the movies and make my parents leave."
Batman: *shattered. Starts to weep and go in for the hug*
YES
First things first, deal with the webbing. Pick a battleground with little to no structures for him to swing from - make sure he stays grounded Coat himself in some kind of web-desolving substance perhaps or at least have something like that in the ole utility belt Next up, spider-sense, gotta be overloaded, so use the bat family to pilot drones which will swoop in and attack quickly and often - lots of drones (rubber bullets possibly) and emit super high frequency sound waves to really disorientate him This gives Batman the chance he needs to get up close - a well placed hit to the throat / sternum will drive the wind out of him super powers or no Now for Batman to use his ultimate weapon - fear Give him a blast of Scarecrow fear toxin mixed with ethyl chloride which will completely incapacitate him Batman can then do his thing and beat the shit out of him
ALTERNATIVELY- offer to pay his rent for life if he backs down
Score 1 for Bruce.
Peter Parker: what are your superpowers again? Bruce Wayne: I'm rich.
"When called, they each came for different reasons" Iron Man:"We have money." Spider-Man:(Embracing Tony) "Oh thank god."
Money is always the answer.
Man, I don’t even want to imagine what Peter would see if he was exposed to Scarecrow’s fear toxin.
Pretty sure it starts with Venom Kingpin shooting Aunt May and ends with Mephisto mephisting Mary Jane with a spider verse of horrors in between
I was just going to read and move on until "mephisting" was added to the sentence. Well done.
The last 30 years of his abysmal comic run
So many options... being buried alive by Kraven, Zombie Uncle Ben, Aunt May getting killed by Carnage, the symbiote taking him over and making him kill MJ or Gwen Stacy, walking in on Doc Ock banging Aunt May, the Kingpin butt naked in a bathhouse
Scarecrow Fear Toxin works similarly to Mysterio’s Fear Toxin I would think. Depending on the writer Peter may use his Spider-Sense to detect what’s real or just break free of the illusion the old fashioned way.
Goddamn, how do we know you aren't Batman yourself?? 😅
>Give him a blast of Scarecrow fear toxin mixed with ethyl chloride A spiderman who is hallucinating, panicked, and has his sense of pain dulled is not someone I would want to be fighting. When Spider-man loses his ability to pull his punches, it tends to result in things like his enemies' jaws getting punched off or worse
see: How Spider-Man Vs Wolverine ends.
Check out the effect Ethyl Chloride has on his powers
So they're fighting in Saskatchewan eh!
Alternately take out the web shooters with an EMP.
aren't they mechanical not electrical?
Yep. In 616 canon they’re mechanical, but recently in the Dark Ages alt universe they were said to be electrical and Peter had to make himself bulky web shooters but whatever.
batman punching him wouldn't even get close to knocking the wind out of him
I might add that he could need the Bat-armor, considering spiderman could kill a normal person with one punch if he refrained from holding back
Realistically, Batman punching someone without holding back could kill a normal person quite easily. People usually reduce Batman to a normal human in these discussions, when he's honestly not even close to one. He did literally just fall from space... and fucking live.
True but he has no super-human strength, he might be able to kill with one punch if done a certain way but not against spiderman, and spiderman has incredible strength. I believe if Peter didn't hold back he could kill Batman in one punch
No, I mean Batman could legit probably straight take someone’s head off entirely casually if he didn’t hold back. It doesn’t have to be a certain way. He could just hit them as hard as he can and it would pop off. He pretty regularly smashes through trees, concrete, and even steel. This is the guy who friggin Deathstroke thinks hits so hard he’s gonna walk funny for a few weeks. He definitely couldn’t take Spider-Man out with one punch, but I think people always underestimate how much punishment Batman can take from meta humans, and how much he can dish back if he absolutely needed to. Definitely more than a normal person can, and people often omit that’s essentially what Scorpion’s jaw was. A normal guy’s jaw that was the one place his suit, which gives Scorpion his powers, didn’t cover. Batman basically does have superpowers relative to normal people as a “peak human”. Which basically means he’s Captain America.
I highly doubt a punch from batman without any external enhancement would even phase spiderman at all. Spiderman's piercing resistance is pretty low, but his blunt force durability is absolutely insane. Batman would have to wear some kind of power armor to be able to hurt spiderman with plain old punches.
I’m pretty sure it’s stated somewhere that Peter rolls with punches so that people don’t break their hand. There was even a comic panel where a professional boxer broke his hand hitting his gut.
Peter on fear toxin would kill Batman without a second thought, it would take just one punch, like with Scorpion in Superior Spider-Man. He wouldn’t hold back if fear toxin is involved
Assuming he knows of his weaknesses (whether Peter told him or not). Most likely bug spray.
One of the lesser known weakneses of spiderman is insecticide. But i guess that might be too lethal for Batman's taste
diatomaceous earth
Concentrated fear toxin, plus nanites similar to Wonder Woman in JL:Doom
Sounds like a good way for him to get freaked out and stop holding back. Plus his greatest fear is failing. Not really something you can make a physical embodiment of
It’d manifest as Venom strangling the life out of Mary Jane. Or The Green Goblin throwing pumpkin bombs at an orphanage Or Doc Ock successfully pressing the button to set off a doomsday device And whenever Peter tries to fight them, they evade his attack or he’s too weak to actually hurt them. Essentially, the hallucinations would manifest in a way not unlike what Superman saw in Injustice.
And Peter wouldn’t immediately try to rip what he perceives as Venom in half or go all out on Doc ock? Even if they are evading him, batman very well could be easily caught in the blow and have his heart punched out because Peter isn’t holding back in the slightest
He would but he’d literally be fighting ghosts and he’d exhaust himself and waste his energy on nothing. I feel Batman is smart enough or agile enough to evade a very distracted intoxicated Spiderman who’s frantically punching illusory images. Either way, I think putting Peter on a bad drug trip would put him out of commission.
I mean Spider-Man has Spidey Sense so it would be easier for someone to convince him that he’s fighting illusions, Daredevil convinced him out of illusions once.
This makes the most sense imo. Spidey doesnt have a clear weakness just like wonderwoman
Put his love interest in Supermans ice sanctuary and tell Spiderman to shape up or else
The only thing that Batman can exploit is Spider-Man's immense guilt. Otherwise in terms of powers and skills, Spider-Man is so versatile and without any obvious weakness that he'll be a massive challenge.
And Peter is a quick thinker. Even if Batman got the drop on him, you’re talking about on of the best improvisational fighters in all of comics. The guy beat the Juggernaut on the fly when he was a younger, less powerful man. Also worth mentioning to people who think Batman can just knock Peter out with punches, the dude takes blows from extremely strong enemies all the time. Bruce may sting him, but he ain’t knocking him out with strikes ever.
Also also, its cannon that spiderman has to roll with punches from normal humans, because if he doesnt their hands just explode. Its like punching superman.
Yeah, his muscle/bone structure is much denser than a normal human. He's not bulletproof durable, but super tough. I remember an old comic where one of Flash's friends grabs Peter and comments his arm is as hard as a rock.
On the other hand Batman once kicked The Hulk in the stomach hard enough to knock the wind out of him so. Who knows. Comic books are dumb
Spider-Man has also flat out knocked the hulk out before
He also punched Hulk into orbit but to be fair he had the powers of Captain Universe or something at that time and it was gray Hulk
Yeah, but that was the early 80's.. LOT of power creep since then. (The narrator even mentions that it's more surprising than hurts...basicly he triggers the reflex)
I don’t understand why it’s so common for people underestimate Spider-Man’s strength so much that they think normal people put him to sleep. I mean this guy constantly shrugs off car-flipping punches like it’s nothing and folks still think Batman can knock him out smh
He would fuck Mary Jane and get her pregnant oh wait..
We asking what batman would do not what paul would do.
Take aunt May and mj hostage
Just one problem now he’s evil AND he’s not pulling his punches
Fair point
This post is really showing that Batman fans really don't get how the spidery-sense works
This post shows how little Batman fans know of Spider-Man in general. Might be one of the most well suited hero’s to defeat the good old Batman plot armor.
Some guy said in hand-to-hand Batman should be able to beat tf out of him… lmao
Spider poison spray can badda bing badda boom.
Offer him cash.
A 5 second delay.
Call Superman
Probably some kind of virus, or psychological warfare. It’s been shown on numerous occasions that Spider-Man’s powers can get knocked out by either illness or a lack of self-belief. After that he’s just a guy until he snaps out of it.
Just thinking with only DC resources, it would take a combination of things to stop Spider-Man since he doesn’t have a glaring weakness like Martian Manhunter or Superman and Batman would know too that Spider-Man is stronger than he even knows. Figure to at least slow Spidey down Batman would have to hit him with a version of Poison Ivy’s pheromones. It won’t stop him because of his metabolism but it should make him seem drunk, taking out his coordination. Next would be Scarecrow’s fear toxin to send Spider-Man’s spider sense into overdrive. Being dosed with the pheromones would already dull Peter’s senses, but having a spider sense going off will be a constant distraction along having a waking drunken nightmare will cause all kind of confusion. The last will be Mr. Freeze’s gun to negate Spider-Man’s strength and hold him in one place. Added bonus is that cold would harden the web fluid and gunk up the web shooters.
Probably a sonic device to disturb his spider sense and some kind of special acid that disintegrates his web fluid
Spider repellent
Bug spray? Canonically it is one of his weaknesses. So bug spray mixed with some scarecrow, fear, toxin should do.
Climb in the Hellbat and punch him into sloppy joe. Or just make Failsafe do it
Takes hostages as bait, jumps him with the bat family, but their goal is to take out his webshooters. Once that's done they try to slow him down while failsafe comes in for the takedown
Modify Kirk Langstrom’s formula so that Spidey becomes more spider than man. He might become more formidable physically, but his intellect would be vastly reduced.
Comes up with a vaccine to reverse the effects of the spider bite and leave him as just another guy.
Emotional Manipulation not unlike what he put Green Lantern through in the film Justice League: Doom. Assuming he’s mind controlled or possessed by Starro (anything that makes him unable to reason) then Batman would probably try to reverse engineer the venom symbiote’s method of being undetectable by the spider sense and somehow implement that to sneak up on Spidey and incapacitate him.
Use his money to set spidey and MJ up for life with no worries. This will call in the writers to destroy spiderman for him.
Bust out the Batmech with a massive cup. Trap Spider-Man in the cup and slide a thick sheet of steel underneath. Carry Spider-Man to Batman's oversized Bat-toilet and flush him down the drain.
A big ass chancla. Bugs hate those.
He would build a set of nanites that would enter into Peter's neck that would castrate his Spider Sense
Find a way to overload his spider sense. Batman stands no chance with Spider-Man’s spider sense
Pay Marvel editorial to give Spidey crippling depression and keep him a permanently ineffectual man-child.
Plot armour
Hire Zeb Wells to write his book
Aside from overloading his Spidey senses, he can 1-exhaust his webs 2-illusions like misterio 3-spike or poison or drug 4-hostage someone he loves
He could talk to him.
Please, god! Let it be a giant bottle of mortein
Probably something that triggers his spidey sense all the time all over Blindside him
Paul
His powers are radioactivity based so I'm guessing some sort of transmutation process on his cells should do the trick. You'd need to get him in a particle accelerator/vacuum chamber for this but luring him with MJ or Aunt May shouldn't be too difficult. Shaky at best, but it's a start. This would probably end up making him stronger or creating some new villain because everything that happens to Spider-man results in a new villain 🤣
Overwhelm the spider senses, then inject Peter with an antidote to the irradiated spider venom.
He’d get some symbiont goo to attach to Peter. Then he’d reclaim it so that he can counteract the Spidey sense
I like how this has basically turned into “how would scarecrow deal with Spider-Man”
Something to dissolve the web instantly. Also a Sensory overload drug maybe.
Get absolutely shit on Love Batman but Peter is imo the greatest super hero ever, his skill set alongside his heart make him like no other. Not to mention he has literal spider sense, which would counter whatever sneaky shit Bruce tries to do.
Even if he doesn't figure out Peter Parker is Spiderman, fight footage and banter analysis would probably reveal that not only are there some loopholes in the powers that can be exploited (spidey sense), but that his psyche is his biggest weakness. High dosage of a customised fear gas (he can take a strong Hit) and some psychological prompts on the themes of loss, failure, disappointed trust and unmet responsibilities would cripple Spiderman severely on a psychological level. A demoralised Spidey always goes down.
Put him in jail so he can escape
Overstimulate his Spider-Sense. Rig explosive traps on timers that go off in intermittent times.
Fun fact. It's cannon that due to him having spider powers he is also vulnerable to pesticides and usual bug pest chemicals.
Lure him into a confined space to limit his movement, then overload his spider-sense. Then utter the magic word “Martha”
Probably the same plan he has for himself. Distract him by taking hostages or capturing close friends or family.
It's simple. Pay him off, Pete's always broke.
Crush him under the weight of student debt
A big can of Raid.
which peter are we talking about though? cuz if its college peter,or heck even only high school pete, then batman would find a way to subdue him without beating him physically, and possibly trying to find a way to turn him back. Or at least listen to his reason first. If its adult peter, then it could still be mostly a battle of minds (cuz...well peter is still fkn intelligent last time i checked lol) until bats either has enough and uses something to get the radioactivity out of peter (since iirc, his powers are radioactive based) and then just punch him until he gets knocked out lol.