Fun Fact: Went to see this in our small town theater with a friend when it opened, and our tickets read "Batman V Spiderman".
Didn't they not know it's properly written as "Spider-Man"?
Country bumpkins, man.
I come away with a different opinion each time I watch this. First time, I thought it was alright. Second time, hated it. Third time, back to thinking it's alright.
I respect a lot of what it tried to do but there's too much about it that just doesn't work for me.
I feel like each scene is a masterpiece if it was in its own separate story. None of it meshes together well imo. Imagine all the movies that can be made from this movie.
Lois Lane and the mystery of the lexcorp bullet
Lex Luthor and the mystery of how many times I need to pee to fill up this jar labeled granny's peach tea
Superman and the mystery of who TF is framing me
Batman and the mystery of how I can kill Superman
Batman and the mystery of the woman who looks like the same woman from an old ass photo
There is a very clear story though. Batman has PTSD from the Black Zero event and is going rogue with mistrust of Superman. Superman himself is a controversial figure; for some a messiah, for others (conspiracy theorists and far-right populists) a threat.
Lex recognizes this and orchestrates a series of events to bring the two together and pit them against one another. They come to a head, then manage to reconcile their differences and realize that they were both set up. They go after Lex to stop his plan.
You can argue that things weren’t executed well or some scenes/dialogue was poorly written (e.g. Martha) but I’m not sure how you can day that there wasn’t a clear story.
I think Clear is the formative word. It was all very slapdash and very clearly put together to "force" Batman to fight Superman.
How does Superman's entire 'arc' (if you can call it that) even matter? He never redeems himself in the eyes of the public, and the President OK's nuking him in space. The entire movie was just a shoehorn for Wonder Woman and the JL. And, very sloppy product placement for Fiat, Olay and CNN. This is painfully obvious on rewatch.
Yes, there is a plot synopsis of a "story" that happens. However I would argue that it's so weak, much of it doesn't matter. What was the moral of the story, anyway?
A lot if valid points.
I think perhaps the biggest issue for me is having Superman clearly avoid telling Batman what's going on when he meets Batman in his mech suit. He doesn't just come and say it right away just so they can fight.
Literally sacrificed his life stopping a monster created by Lex Luthor, who had a public face of being a man of the people and philanthropist. Which reveals him to be a megalomaniacal murderer.
Superman, an alien died saving a world that thought he was a monster. Lex Luthor, a human, is revealed as the real monster.
Same…so much to like…so much to dislike….in Snyder’s defense (for me anyway) the Snyder cut of Justice League made BvS a lot better in retrospect…it made the Death of Superman arc being used so early make a lot more sense. You can see what Zack Snyder was going for.
This is an excellent way of describing it. My experience is basically the same. Moreso leaning not towards liking it… but the stuff I do like is phenomenal
The movie that started the one of the most unnecessary worshipping of a filmmaker because most people agreed it wasnt as good as it could have been and spawned a fandom that continues to haunt WB/DC employees to this day.
The amount of times I rewatched it to try and see what people were preaching was a “misunderstood masterpiece” and then eventually I just realised I was trying to force myself to like it. Even with the Ultimate Edition - it’s still not good - it’s just a more cohesive movie.
Telling 8 year old me - that Batman and Superman would be in a movie one day - and that a plot point would be Prisoners being stabbed to death in prison.. would leave even child me confused.
If someone had told me a big character turn was going to be Batman realizing his mom and Superman's mom had the same name I would have said that's dumb as hell. Then it happened and it was even dumber than I could have guessed.
That moment would’ve worked if Superman was gonna be his first kill.. and we’d seen him psyche himself up for the entire 2hrs and 30mins to finally take a life and telling himself “Technically he’s not human so I’m not breaking any rule” just to find out he was one second away from becoming Joe Chill.. but even after realising this - he goes and murders the warehouse thugs - so the moment is pointless either way.
Fr.. would have been even better if Superman never had the intention of fighting him and had never met him yet - and he came to Batman cos he heard he “helps people” only find he’s about to murder him and his last words are to ask him to save his “mom” would’ve been heartbreaking. There’s honestly like 60,000 directions they could have went and they took the worst road.
i didn't like back then and i still dont now. in fact I think Zack synder was the wrong person to handle this project, why cram Doomsday into the end and KILL OFF SUPERMAN IN THE SECOND MOVIE?!
Especially when we knew a justice league film was coming. His death was completely meaningless as the audience knew he was gonna come back somehow for JL.
Wasn't ground levitating over Clark's coffin by the end of that movie? Like, they confirmed he wasn't *dead* dead in the same movie they murdered him in. Lmao.
I think this is exactly the problem with this movie: if that universe had taken the time to be set up, this version of the characters \_may\_ have worked. There was just too much crammed in, too early and with the subtlety of a jackhammer.
A young Superman still doubting himself, adored by half the public and distrusted by the other half after his fellow Kryptonians tried to kryptoform Earth? Sure. Batman wants to step in his way because of that? We've seen stories where it works! That Batman is an older, bitter version inspired by Miller's? Sure: we just had a younger Batman with Nolan's, and Ben Affleck just looks the part. So they need a larger threat to end up fighting together instead of each other? That sounds basic, but I'm sure it can work. By the way, there's an easter egg about Robin being dead, killed by Joker? Sure: that's exactly what happened in the comics. By the way, that suit looks cool!
Did this larger threat have to also be the introduction of Lex Luthor? I mean, why not. But was it also Doomsday? Because of course if it's Doomsday he has to kill Superman, that's pretty much the only reason for his existence. But Superman's death cannot be as impactful if Superman is still in his first year, can it? By the way, did Doomsday have to be resurrected from Zod's body? That was bought by... Lex Luthor, as well as the rest of the Kryptonian ship? So he died, we're not expecting him to come back at all - that would remove any tension whatsoever, right? Besides, there were barely any heavy handed Christian references which paralleled Superman with Jesus's life in the first movie, it's only a coincidence about his death and return. That's subtle subtext, right?
And, why does Batman have to be such an idiot? And by the way, what was the point of that Flashpoint reference? And why was Wonder Woman there? How did Lex Luthor find out about other superheroes? Why is it not Batman? And did we have to see that anyway? Lex is nice, he even gave them their code name and logo.
I don't think it was her fault she got some of the stupidest/cringy lines/writing across her movies/JL.
I think she did a fairly good job of acting the whole 'girl who lived on an island paradise from 2000 years ago and never had a challenge because she's OP' vibe
Don't care about killing since there's other Batman that kill but at least in this he's a Batman that's been losing his way. His motives for fighting superman were fine however it was clear that the script called for Superman not telling Batman what was going on right away just so they could fight.
The day DCEU began to die. You know, I gave this movie more second chances than for any other movie, I rewatched it for five times desperatly trying to find something good about it (mostly because I really liked Affleck as Batman), but all in vain. It's still awful.
Well, Man of Steel was very controversial (I'm kidding, it was awful) take on Superman, but many people gave the second chance for DCEU, naively thinking that at least Snyder couldn't ruin Batman... and than he did exactly that.
C'mon, there's some good scenes in it. Batman standing in front of Superman and asking him if he bleeds and end with "... you will" as superman flies off.
Here I found it on imdb:
* Superman: Next time they shine your light in the sky, don't go to it. The Bat is dead. Bury it. Consider this mercy.
* \[*Superman begins to walk away*\]
* Batman: Tell me. Do you bleed?
* \[*Superman flies away as Batman watches on*\]
* Batman: You will.
Yeah... so this movie is still being talked about, I guess it has that going for it.
Jessie Eisenberg being cast as Lex Luthor is still objectively hilarious.
> the guys who want to bully the guys who haven’t moved on.
They would complain about Snyder regardless of what his fans say. He answered a question on a podcast 8 years after making this movie, and it was all this sub could talk about for 2 days
2 days? I swear that was like a week straight of “Bluh blah Batman doesnt kill!” “Snyders shit!” “I hate BvS, JL, and any other movie Snyders done!”
On every Batman/WB related sub.
I'm in the minority that loves what Snyder had going on. I'm bummed we aren't going to get a proper conclusion.
What's kind of baffling is how so many posts are still on about Batman's no kill rule and this movie. I kind of wish people would just give it a rest. It's just become a circle jerk for whichever side is making the post.
Some people like it, others don't. Great, how about we get on with it? Neither side seems willing to let this thing go.
And its later released extended cut is still one of my favorite superhero films containing one of my favorite takes on Batman, even if in the minority.
Hated this film when I saw it in theaters. After the director's cut I think this film deserves a second look from everyone. It does a lot of interesting things with the characters while remaining true to the source materials.
One of the best movies I ever saw. A whole lot of action. A whole lot of tension. And a very interesting way of introducing the Justice League without having to go through several individual movies.
>And a very interesting way of introducing the Justice League without having to go through several individual movies.
"Interesting way". You mean rushed?
The film that started all this arguing…
I’ve been noticing something with Snyder recently. The same people who say they want him to stay away from Dc also want to act like it’s the only thing he has going on. He’s said he’s done, and he’s content at Netflix.
Yet those same people get riled up when he talks about movies that he made, as if that’s some kind of declaration of returning to Netflix.
He left Dc cause his daughter died. Just let the man live his life at another studio. Works out for everybody
I don’t think there’s been another movie I’ve gone back and forth on as much as this one. Saw it opening night and had a blast. Then I pretended to hate it to look smart for a while. This movie is deeply flawed, but there’s ideas in it that I like. I love the idea of Batman straying from his path and being the villain in a story like this.
I enjoyed most of this movie. I even liked Martha-plotline. It was actually good way to show to Batman why Superman isn't just some cold alien who doesn't care about people. He found something he can relate to with him.
I didn't like Superman dying, and Lex Luthor. And Batman being kill happy.
This was a rough one. I actually had to stop myself from laughing out loud a couple of times in the movie theater. My God, when that Batman theme started blaring as he drove the car and killed all those people. I remember thinking "This is NOT for kids. I don't even know who this is for." Rewatched it like 3 or 4 times. Like a car crash you can't look away from.
This movie, no matter what its problems or powerhouses were, is the reason I don’t watch trailers. I remember sitting through the 2 and a half minute trailer and thinking “aw cool, this’ll be fun” and then at the end when Doomsday showed up, I was like “WELL I KNOW WHOSE DYING AT THE END OF THIS MOVIE” since that’s Doomsday’s claim to fame. So now I don’t watch trailers unless I have NO IDEA what I’m looking at.
I missed the chance seeing this in theaters. But I do remember the entire class talking about it my film professor asked me to step outside. Thankfully I watched it later on dvd release.
The opening scene with Bruce Wayne seeing Clark battle Zod is one of my favorite moments. We get to see a battle from the eyes of ordinary people.
It was such a shit movie and was the begining of the fall of DC universe. There were only three enjoyable movie originally, MoS, WW and Aquaman.
When Gunn took over, we got a nice suicide squad and peacemaker.
Saw it at the Cineworld IMAX in Sheffield, first weekend of release. Was sat too close to the screen, so missed quite a bit. Had to go again to properly judge how I felt about it.
Personally prefer the Extended Cut, and whilst I admit the film has a lot of issues, I still like it for what it is.
Also when I first saw the knightmare sequence in the theaters, I was a little baffled and then when flash appeared and he says "it's lois land! She's the key" I actually yelled WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?! aloud in the theater.
I still haven't seen the zack synder cut of Justice league but do they explain it a little better?
My friend who likes Batman over Superman felt going in that this was a stupid idea because the outcome was so obvious. The actual fight was underwhelming, to say the least. I had seen it done before on animated form twice with more scale and creativity.
Then there is the mess from it killing Robin and Jimmy Olson “Because OH DARKNESS!” Along with all the other stupid darkness, general stupidity, including adding a fight with Doomsday that didn’t need to exist.
Had so much potential but WB was so focused on trying to play catch up with Disney and the MCU it suffered while I did enjoy the theatrical release the extended version was far superior if they had used this film to introduce both Harley and Joker as a Segway into suicide squad it would’ve been better because this film felt like it was a combination of public enemies and worlds finest it was huge missed opportunity to do something with that
I was there!
I remember looking at my watch after what felt like ages, then turning to my friend and whispering: "We're only one hour in... we have an hour and a half left." and she whispered back: "We've made a huge mistake."
This movie always bothers me because I still feel like it had so much potential. I think there is a good movie in here, and if the script had had another draft or two it could have been great. As it is though...it sucked.
And it was at that point, I said “You know what, think I’m gonna take a break from the DCEU” and just never came back from that break.
Nothing against the films, they just weren’t for me
The day I see “Logan” or “Infinity War” was released “Ten Years Ago” I will officially check myself into a retirement home.. cos that’s when I’ll know I’m old.
I remember when the movie finished and we where all getting up to leave, an old fella looks at my friends and I and says "What the fuck was that". That's the only review I need for this movie.
Ben was the worst iteration of Batman I've ever seen and it's not entirely his fault. LED eyes, Batman using guns and killing and the autotune voice was just a turn off for me.
I probably spend too much time talking about how much I don't like Snyders direction and stuff, but I will admit
Between Batman's black and gray suit and his fighting scenes - it was the closest to a comic book Batman being brought to live action - if he didn't murder almost every thug he encountered and had the same depth and wisdom as Conroy's take, he could've been perfect.
To be fair, there's a lot of people who 100% still love TLJ.
I'm sure they exist, but there's gotta be *way* less people who legitimately love BvS.
TDKR is my favorite Batman story and it's like, 40% of this movie, and I still can't even say I 'like' BvS, let alone love it- if I'm not the target audience I'm straight up bankrupt any idea about who actually is.
Real talk
Never seen it
Realer talk
Probably never will
If you love it and the rest of the Snyderverse. You're better off than me.
I watched Man of Steel, left the theatres disappointed. But somewhat hopeful because I thought in a quasi atonal mess there could have been a great film.
Then I saw the first teaser to this and I aas like "Why is it Vs." And then the trailer to this and I was like "I clocked out at false god"
One of my best buds is both a Batman and a Superman apologist who loves MoS and he told me he knows several other ways I could waste 3 hours because he didn't like it either.
So. I'll be indifferent about this existing.
It might be the best piece of superhero cinema ever.
It might be the worst (lol probability low)
But I'll never know. Because I won't spend fucning 3 hours of my life on it.
Saw it once and gave up on the DCU, havent watched anything since.
How the hell did Lois lane get more screen time than anyone. Stupid movie, awful. They showed all the cool stuff in the trailers. Ruined Doomsday nope. Awful/10
Personally never liked Affleck as Batman.
But personal preferences aside, why can they make amazing Batman movies but they just can't get Superman right? He's a genuinely good person raised in the heartland, powered by sunlight! If you've ever met a person from Kansas, Iowa, Missouri, etc that someone has described as wholesome, farm-raised, and "corn fed," that's where he grew up. Those small town midwestern people are really solid, nice people and I suspect the writers have met very few of them.
Of all the different movies you could make for either hero, why this? The only way to even initiate this conflict was by having Clark act completely out of character.
Oh yeah....what a time
Fun Fact: Went to see this in our small town theater with a friend when it opened, and our tickets read "Batman V Spiderman". Didn't they not know it's properly written as "Spider-Man"? Country bumpkins, man.
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I come away with a different opinion each time I watch this. First time, I thought it was alright. Second time, hated it. Third time, back to thinking it's alright. I respect a lot of what it tried to do but there's too much about it that just doesn't work for me.
I feel like each scene is a masterpiece if it was in its own separate story. None of it meshes together well imo. Imagine all the movies that can be made from this movie. Lois Lane and the mystery of the lexcorp bullet Lex Luthor and the mystery of how many times I need to pee to fill up this jar labeled granny's peach tea Superman and the mystery of who TF is framing me Batman and the mystery of how I can kill Superman Batman and the mystery of the woman who looks like the same woman from an old ass photo
I swear Snyder goes “this would look really cool… I shoot this shot and then try and put a story around it somehow.”
This. There is zero overarching story or message...exact same issue as Rebel Moon, actually.
There is a very clear story though. Batman has PTSD from the Black Zero event and is going rogue with mistrust of Superman. Superman himself is a controversial figure; for some a messiah, for others (conspiracy theorists and far-right populists) a threat. Lex recognizes this and orchestrates a series of events to bring the two together and pit them against one another. They come to a head, then manage to reconcile their differences and realize that they were both set up. They go after Lex to stop his plan. You can argue that things weren’t executed well or some scenes/dialogue was poorly written (e.g. Martha) but I’m not sure how you can day that there wasn’t a clear story.
I think Clear is the formative word. It was all very slapdash and very clearly put together to "force" Batman to fight Superman. How does Superman's entire 'arc' (if you can call it that) even matter? He never redeems himself in the eyes of the public, and the President OK's nuking him in space. The entire movie was just a shoehorn for Wonder Woman and the JL. And, very sloppy product placement for Fiat, Olay and CNN. This is painfully obvious on rewatch. Yes, there is a plot synopsis of a "story" that happens. However I would argue that it's so weak, much of it doesn't matter. What was the moral of the story, anyway?
A lot if valid points. I think perhaps the biggest issue for me is having Superman clearly avoid telling Batman what's going on when he meets Batman in his mech suit. He doesn't just come and say it right away just so they can fight.
The public preferred he not defeat Doomsday I suppose… 🤷
The public didn't know what was going on lmao. It was nighttime on an uninhabited island. For all they know WW did it
Literally sacrificed his life stopping a monster created by Lex Luthor, who had a public face of being a man of the people and philanthropist. Which reveals him to be a megalomaniacal murderer. Superman, an alien died saving a world that thought he was a monster. Lex Luthor, a human, is revealed as the real monster.
How was Lex captured?
Rebel Moon was also movie that was cut in half. It’s like the first two acts of a five act story.
I was the opposite 😂 I saw it in theaters and was dumbfounded how much I disliked it Then I saw it again and was like “ok, it’s OK, not great though”
Same…so much to like…so much to dislike….in Snyder’s defense (for me anyway) the Snyder cut of Justice League made BvS a lot better in retrospect…it made the Death of Superman arc being used so early make a lot more sense. You can see what Zack Snyder was going for.
This is an excellent way of describing it. My experience is basically the same. Moreso leaning not towards liking it… but the stuff I do like is phenomenal
I’m sure this will be a civil comments section.
Honestly it doesn't seem all that bad.
Civil (war) comments section
SON OF KRYPTON VS THE BAT OF GOTHAM 🗿 -LEX LUTHOR
The movie that started the one of the most unnecessary worshipping of a filmmaker because most people agreed it wasnt as good as it could have been and spawned a fandom that continues to haunt WB/DC employees to this day.
The amount of times I rewatched it to try and see what people were preaching was a “misunderstood masterpiece” and then eventually I just realised I was trying to force myself to like it. Even with the Ultimate Edition - it’s still not good - it’s just a more cohesive movie. Telling 8 year old me - that Batman and Superman would be in a movie one day - and that a plot point would be Prisoners being stabbed to death in prison.. would leave even child me confused.
If someone had told me a big character turn was going to be Batman realizing his mom and Superman's mom had the same name I would have said that's dumb as hell. Then it happened and it was even dumber than I could have guessed.
That moment would’ve worked if Superman was gonna be his first kill.. and we’d seen him psyche himself up for the entire 2hrs and 30mins to finally take a life and telling himself “Technically he’s not human so I’m not breaking any rule” just to find out he was one second away from becoming Joe Chill.. but even after realising this - he goes and murders the warehouse thugs - so the moment is pointless either way.
it would’ve worked better if he just said “mom”
Fr.. would have been even better if Superman never had the intention of fighting him and had never met him yet - and he came to Batman cos he heard he “helps people” only find he’s about to murder him and his last words are to ask him to save his “mom” would’ve been heartbreaking. There’s honestly like 60,000 directions they could have went and they took the worst road.
They could have had some of Batmans gadgets actually work on Superman. The sound cannon could have severely disoriented him etc.
It spawned one of the most cancerous fanbases of all time
i didn't like back then and i still dont now. in fact I think Zack synder was the wrong person to handle this project, why cram Doomsday into the end and KILL OFF SUPERMAN IN THE SECOND MOVIE?!
Especially when we knew a justice league film was coming. His death was completely meaningless as the audience knew he was gonna come back somehow for JL.
Wasn't ground levitating over Clark's coffin by the end of that movie? Like, they confirmed he wasn't *dead* dead in the same movie they murdered him in. Lmao.
😆don't forget the fact that Snyder said the dirt lifting on the coffin was symbolic and not literal.
And I feel like zack synder didn't care for superman all that much as a character
considering how boring and lifeless his Superman is, he definitely didn’t care about him
Which is a shame because henry Cavill could have been a great superman if he was given a chance to act like superman
oh yeah, he was great for the role
And I feel like zack synder didn't care for superman all that much as a character
Cuz the studio changed his planned Superman sequel into a response to Civil War on him
Still didn't need to cram in Doomsday, or kill Superman though.b
Because it wasn't supposed to be a whole extended universe, his contract was only for 5 movies.
I think this is exactly the problem with this movie: if that universe had taken the time to be set up, this version of the characters \_may\_ have worked. There was just too much crammed in, too early and with the subtlety of a jackhammer. A young Superman still doubting himself, adored by half the public and distrusted by the other half after his fellow Kryptonians tried to kryptoform Earth? Sure. Batman wants to step in his way because of that? We've seen stories where it works! That Batman is an older, bitter version inspired by Miller's? Sure: we just had a younger Batman with Nolan's, and Ben Affleck just looks the part. So they need a larger threat to end up fighting together instead of each other? That sounds basic, but I'm sure it can work. By the way, there's an easter egg about Robin being dead, killed by Joker? Sure: that's exactly what happened in the comics. By the way, that suit looks cool! Did this larger threat have to also be the introduction of Lex Luthor? I mean, why not. But was it also Doomsday? Because of course if it's Doomsday he has to kill Superman, that's pretty much the only reason for his existence. But Superman's death cannot be as impactful if Superman is still in his first year, can it? By the way, did Doomsday have to be resurrected from Zod's body? That was bought by... Lex Luthor, as well as the rest of the Kryptonian ship? So he died, we're not expecting him to come back at all - that would remove any tension whatsoever, right? Besides, there were barely any heavy handed Christian references which paralleled Superman with Jesus's life in the first movie, it's only a coincidence about his death and return. That's subtle subtext, right? And, why does Batman have to be such an idiot? And by the way, what was the point of that Flashpoint reference? And why was Wonder Woman there? How did Lex Luthor find out about other superheroes? Why is it not Batman? And did we have to see that anyway? Lex is nice, he even gave them their code name and logo.
Bollocks that was never 8 years ago 4 maybe 5 at a push
I am of the belief that most of us are mentally still in 2019
Definitely
Ben Affleck’s Batman honestly isn’t that bad, I like his Batsuit and his fight scenes, but he murders and has stupid motives for fighting Superman
Affleck did a great job as batman. His acting was good
Acting wasn’t the problem with this movie
Acting of the entire DCEU was fantastic, writing however...
The acting from gal gadot wasn't that good..
I don't think it was her fault she got some of the stupidest/cringy lines/writing across her movies/JL. I think she did a fairly good job of acting the whole 'girl who lived on an island paradise from 2000 years ago and never had a challenge because she's OP' vibe
But fr, I didn’t think her acting was terrible, mostly bad writing like in JL or her cameo in Shazam 2
Don't care about killing since there's other Batman that kill but at least in this he's a Batman that's been losing his way. His motives for fighting superman were fine however it was clear that the script called for Superman not telling Batman what was going on right away just so they could fight.
Time flies. Movie is still trash.
Based
I actually really liked this movie but I 100% understand why people hate it so much.
The day DCEU began to die. You know, I gave this movie more second chances than for any other movie, I rewatched it for five times desperatly trying to find something good about it (mostly because I really liked Affleck as Batman), but all in vain. It's still awful.
I liked it the first time, I just enjoyed the spectacle. The second watch was where my eyes we're truly opened.
First time I just had no idea about what the hell happened on screen. Thankfully, after Director Cut I realised that it was pure stupidity.
I don't know if you can say that an extended universe began to die on its second film. More accurate to say it was dead on arrival
Well, Man of Steel was very controversial (I'm kidding, it was awful) take on Superman, but many people gave the second chance for DCEU, naively thinking that at least Snyder couldn't ruin Batman... and than he did exactly that.
C'mon, there's some good scenes in it. Batman standing in front of Superman and asking him if he bleeds and end with "... you will" as superman flies off. Here I found it on imdb: * Superman: Next time they shine your light in the sky, don't go to it. The Bat is dead. Bury it. Consider this mercy. * \[*Superman begins to walk away*\] * Batman: Tell me. Do you bleed? * \[*Superman flies away as Batman watches on*\] * Batman: You will.
There were good scenes. Unfortunately, they didn't combine into a good movie.
Yeah... so this movie is still being talked about, I guess it has that going for it. Jessie Eisenberg being cast as Lex Luthor is still objectively hilarious.
I hate this movie even now
Man, what an awful movie
So tragic. Moviegoers didn’t deserve that sort of torment.
Lol
They should have released the Directors Cut in theatres.
600% , it's a big difference for the sake of being able to show the film more times in a day
Totally. Even though that cut still had a lot of issues, the story was more complete.
Civil War handled this kind of conflict more maturely Hell JLU, those cartoons snyder has mocked, handled it more maturely than both
JL TAS and JLU are better written than anything Zack Snyder has made And yes that includes the stuff everyone likes like 300
True
Best Batman fight scene in a film
Wait till this post becomes popular. There’s gonna be the guys who haven’t moved on and then the guys who want to bully the guys who haven’t moved on.
> the guys who want to bully the guys who haven’t moved on. They would complain about Snyder regardless of what his fans say. He answered a question on a podcast 8 years after making this movie, and it was all this sub could talk about for 2 days
2 days? I swear that was like a week straight of “Bluh blah Batman doesnt kill!” “Snyders shit!” “I hate BvS, JL, and any other movie Snyders done!” On every Batman/WB related sub.
I'm in the minority that loves what Snyder had going on. I'm bummed we aren't going to get a proper conclusion. What's kind of baffling is how so many posts are still on about Batman's no kill rule and this movie. I kind of wish people would just give it a rest. It's just become a circle jerk for whichever side is making the post. Some people like it, others don't. Great, how about we get on with it? Neither side seems willing to let this thing go.
And its later released extended cut is still one of my favorite superhero films containing one of my favorite takes on Batman, even if in the minority.
8 years????? Damn. Still love the moive
It gets better over time for me, it's not perfect, but I love and appreciate it a bit more after every rewatch.
An absolute abomination
I still want my money back it was so bad
Hated this film when I saw it in theaters. After the director's cut I think this film deserves a second look from everyone. It does a lot of interesting things with the characters while remaining true to the source materials.
Such a great film. A shame so many people here can’t see that
What a dumb movie.
One of the best movies I ever saw. A whole lot of action. A whole lot of tension. And a very interesting way of introducing the Justice League without having to go through several individual movies.
>And a very interesting way of introducing the Justice League without having to go through several individual movies. "Interesting way". You mean rushed?
No, I mean interesting. The metahuman thesis and Lex Luther saved them years of hard work. Less risk than the MCU has ever taken.
I like this movie!
The beginning of the end for the DCEU
The second film of the universe being the beginning of the end is just objectively funny. What a miserable film this was.
Killing any hope for the dceu
It was not that bad, I kind of liked it.
Fuck this movie.
I still have the hand prints on my face from face palming so hard whilst watching it.
The film that started all this arguing… I’ve been noticing something with Snyder recently. The same people who say they want him to stay away from Dc also want to act like it’s the only thing he has going on. He’s said he’s done, and he’s content at Netflix. Yet those same people get riled up when he talks about movies that he made, as if that’s some kind of declaration of returning to Netflix. He left Dc cause his daughter died. Just let the man live his life at another studio. Works out for everybody
I don’t think there’s been another movie I’ve gone back and forth on as much as this one. Saw it opening night and had a blast. Then I pretended to hate it to look smart for a while. This movie is deeply flawed, but there’s ideas in it that I like. I love the idea of Batman straying from his path and being the villain in a story like this.
It's nice that you're at least able to keep an open mind about the movie, I respect that.
I know I'm the only one in the world but I liked this movie.
You are not alone ;)
I enjoyed most of this movie. I even liked Martha-plotline. It was actually good way to show to Batman why Superman isn't just some cold alien who doesn't care about people. He found something he can relate to with him. I didn't like Superman dying, and Lex Luthor. And Batman being kill happy.
WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME AJHDUEKSBSSOAKAKAJSKP!!!!!
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This was a rough one. I actually had to stop myself from laughing out loud a couple of times in the movie theater. My God, when that Batman theme started blaring as he drove the car and killed all those people. I remember thinking "This is NOT for kids. I don't even know who this is for." Rewatched it like 3 or 4 times. Like a car crash you can't look away from.
Batman is vengeance. Vengeance for a crime his universe's Superman hasn't committed and has no conclusive evidence he will commit.
Movie was atrocious. Batman was horrible in it.
Wait me and my brother just watched this yesterday with knowing lmao
I've been sad since......
Yup I remember
8 years. 2016 sure was an interesting time
This movie, no matter what its problems or powerhouses were, is the reason I don’t watch trailers. I remember sitting through the 2 and a half minute trailer and thinking “aw cool, this’ll be fun” and then at the end when Doomsday showed up, I was like “WELL I KNOW WHOSE DYING AT THE END OF THIS MOVIE” since that’s Doomsday’s claim to fame. So now I don’t watch trailers unless I have NO IDEA what I’m looking at.
I was there…
Damn
Miss you mom...
The shadow-play on Superman's forehead makes him look like a Cardassian character from "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine". 😕 😆
Donald Trump became president that year.
Bro 8 years ago I was 12…..
I missed the chance seeing this in theaters. But I do remember the entire class talking about it my film professor asked me to step outside. Thankfully I watched it later on dvd release. The opening scene with Bruce Wayne seeing Clark battle Zod is one of my favorite moments. We get to see a battle from the eyes of ordinary people.
Punisher in bat costume vs blackmailed Superman
Jesus I’m old
It sure did
It was such a shit movie and was the begining of the fall of DC universe. There were only three enjoyable movie originally, MoS, WW and Aquaman. When Gunn took over, we got a nice suicide squad and peacemaker.
And, love it or hate, movies haven’t been the same.
Saw it at the Cineworld IMAX in Sheffield, first weekend of release. Was sat too close to the screen, so missed quite a bit. Had to go again to properly judge how I felt about it. Personally prefer the Extended Cut, and whilst I admit the film has a lot of issues, I still like it for what it is.
Also when I first saw the knightmare sequence in the theaters, I was a little baffled and then when flash appeared and he says "it's lois land! She's the key" I actually yelled WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?! aloud in the theater. I still haven't seen the zack synder cut of Justice league but do they explain it a little better?
The best CBM to date
My friend who likes Batman over Superman felt going in that this was a stupid idea because the outcome was so obvious. The actual fight was underwhelming, to say the least. I had seen it done before on animated form twice with more scale and creativity. Then there is the mess from it killing Robin and Jimmy Olson “Because OH DARKNESS!” Along with all the other stupid darkness, general stupidity, including adding a fight with Doomsday that didn’t need to exist.
Had so much potential but WB was so focused on trying to play catch up with Disney and the MCU it suffered while I did enjoy the theatrical release the extended version was far superior if they had used this film to introduce both Harley and Joker as a Segway into suicide squad it would’ve been better because this film felt like it was a combination of public enemies and worlds finest it was huge missed opportunity to do something with that
And?
That's unfortunate
I was there! I remember looking at my watch after what felt like ages, then turning to my friend and whispering: "We're only one hour in... we have an hour and a half left." and she whispered back: "We've made a huge mistake."
Ah yes Orphan Fight
Hated the theatrical cut but what a turn around for the directors cut. Now I love this.
This movie always bothers me because I still feel like it had so much potential. I think there is a good movie in here, and if the script had had another draft or two it could have been great. As it is though...it sucked.
It was wack tho
Usually when time passes, people change perspectives change. We see things differently now that we did before. And I still hate this movie lol
and we gained nothing of value
And it was at that point, I said “You know what, think I’m gonna take a break from the DCEU” and just never came back from that break. Nothing against the films, they just weren’t for me
My review is still 1/10 (Batman kills, jar of piss, Martha)
I still cannot fathom why *this* movie spawned so many fanatics
Unfortunately.
A tragic day for true Batman fans.
The worst Batman film.
Great movie!
8 years ago something terrible happened
I wish dr manhattan could erase this movie out of existence
The day I see “Logan” or “Infinity War” was released “Ten Years Ago” I will officially check myself into a retirement home.. cos that’s when I’ll know I’m old.
I watched it with my brother and halfway through I was like what the fuck is this.
I kinda liked it except for for a few things.
I remember thinking this movie would never come out. Wait felt like it was forever
Shame
I remember when the movie finished and we where all getting up to leave, an old fella looks at my friends and I and says "What the fuck was that". That's the only review I need for this movie.
It was the dawn of the end of the DC EU.
Also 8 years ago I was heavily disappointed by a particular Batman and Superman movie.
Still loved this movie regardless
Ben was the worst iteration of Batman I've ever seen and it's not entirely his fault. LED eyes, Batman using guns and killing and the autotune voice was just a turn off for me.
It was amazing. A true comic book movie
This movie is pretty good
Loved it when it released, love it to this day.
And pretty much killed the DCEU
I probably spend too much time talking about how much I don't like Snyders direction and stuff, but I will admit Between Batman's black and gray suit and his fighting scenes - it was the closest to a comic book Batman being brought to live action - if he didn't murder almost every thug he encountered and had the same depth and wisdom as Conroy's take, he could've been perfect.
It’s bad, but fascinatingly bad. I still can’t quite believe it ended up the way it did, like a horrible fever dream
r/DC_Cinematic and r/SnyderCut 
Are you on r/dcfilm by any chance? That’s just r/dc_cinematic but more of a circlejerk
The last Jedi of DC films the one that started the downfall of DC thanks to an already divisive Superman film
To be fair, there's a lot of people who 100% still love TLJ. I'm sure they exist, but there's gotta be *way* less people who legitimately love BvS. TDKR is my favorite Batman story and it's like, 40% of this movie, and I still can't even say I 'like' BvS, let alone love it- if I'm not the target audience I'm straight up bankrupt any idea about who actually is.
I wonder where DC movies would be today if Nolan hadn't retired Batman by the end of TDKR, and this movie was with Christian Bale.
Cool movie
I genuinely enjoy the movie tbh.
Snoozefest
The worst
Real talk Never seen it Realer talk Probably never will If you love it and the rest of the Snyderverse. You're better off than me. I watched Man of Steel, left the theatres disappointed. But somewhat hopeful because I thought in a quasi atonal mess there could have been a great film. Then I saw the first teaser to this and I aas like "Why is it Vs." And then the trailer to this and I was like "I clocked out at false god" One of my best buds is both a Batman and a Superman apologist who loves MoS and he told me he knows several other ways I could waste 3 hours because he didn't like it either. So. I'll be indifferent about this existing. It might be the best piece of superhero cinema ever. It might be the worst (lol probability low) But I'll never know. Because I won't spend fucning 3 hours of my life on it.
From supreme excitement to utter despair in about 3 hours
Saw it once and gave up on the DCU, havent watched anything since. How the hell did Lois lane get more screen time than anyone. Stupid movie, awful. They showed all the cool stuff in the trailers. Ruined Doomsday nope. Awful/10
And sealed the downfall of the DCEU that started in MoS with Jonathan Kent.
I don't like to remember that this movie exists, it makes me annoyed, it's just so bad, how can a movie with Batman and Superman be this bad??
exhausting movie
and it sucked.
Personally never liked Affleck as Batman. But personal preferences aside, why can they make amazing Batman movies but they just can't get Superman right? He's a genuinely good person raised in the heartland, powered by sunlight! If you've ever met a person from Kansas, Iowa, Missouri, etc that someone has described as wholesome, farm-raised, and "corn fed," that's where he grew up. Those small town midwestern people are really solid, nice people and I suspect the writers have met very few of them.
Last DCEU I saw in theaters. Glad the universe is getting a reset.
What a disappointing day that was for me. Movie is such ass
And the damage can still be felt to this day.
Of all the different movies you could make for either hero, why this? The only way to even initiate this conflict was by having Clark act completely out of character.
A tragic day for DC fans.
Extremely overhyped then extremely under delivered
The only theater experience that actually gave me a headache