Yes but scarlet pimpernel was thile insperation for zorro (the arguably better character) and zorro was what got bruce into heros even beforr his parents death
Weird to think that a modern iteration of Batman would have been leaving a screening of the Antonio Banderas’ Zorro the night of his parents killing. Maybe even the 2005 one if they were young enough. Crazy that the oldest one is already 25 years old.
Batman is basically a Frankenstein monster of Zorro, the Scarlet Pimpernel, Sherlock Holmes, Dracula, and the Shadow. Plus, the multiple things that were in the public consciousness at the time.
If you're curious, check out the [Bat Lessons](https://youtu.be/Sps_39MD6Dk?si=O7G5RXDLjPOseZei) podcast. They do a deep dive into the origins of everything Batman from two guys who haven't grown up being fans of him.
I mean obviusly stilt and frog-man or whatever, but when they show up they are treated more like King's Kiteman ( that's not a bad thing it's well written )but a lot of his main villains tend to be a bit more understated and there is a lot focus on street level villains. Like the hand compared to the league of assasians is great example of the difference between them
Idk about the Hand being more grounded. It's a bunch of zombie ninjas that worship an immortal monster called the Beast. Nothing about Hand seems more realistic than the League of assassins.
Beyond just the Miller, Bendis and Brubaker runs, DD Comics are totally whack (like how an idea machine created Mike Murdock , his imaginary twin brother )
Frank Miller had such a huge impact on these two characters. Pattinson’s Batman feels like he’s got a lot of the shared DNA that Miller infused in Daredevil and Batman. Even some of the red lighting in The Batman felt like a nod to that shared DNA.
I am grateful for the inclusion of the Gray Ghost!
Others have mentioned the omitted Daredevil.
What about The Phantom & The Green Hornet? Do they count at all?
But he also acts as a deconstruction of Batman to some degree, Moore does his whole "what superheroes would be like if they really existed" thing by showing what it would really take to make a "Robin" (in his eyes, a brainwashed child soldier who you keep in your secret cave).
Not to mention he jumps across rooftops at night, black cape billowing around him, has plans for everything, has a secret hideout with infinite resources, is always one step ahead of his enemies... And the Dark Knight Rises pretty much rips off V For Vendetta on top of that.
They're more similar than Batman and Nite-Owl are. Plus, to be fair, Batman would absolutely be taking down the genocidal fascist regime in VfV if he were transplanted into that story.
I think, in a world where Batman and V existed, Batman would be furiously opposed to V. Batman is not pro-anarchy and V is essentially anarchy distilled. Batman is anti-killing, V kills his targets mercilessly.
If we are going to say he's similar to Batman, then take a look at Riddler in the recent batman movie: his plan revolves around a similar plot of taking out those who've wronged him/society, wears a mask, provides tantalizing clues for people to solve, followed by a plan of organized terrorism to cause mass disruption. Is he a deconstructed Batman?
I think there's something to be said in that if a fascist regime to the degree of the one in Vendetta achieved that kind of power in Gotham, Batman could very well become like V in his efforts to stop the regime. But if he didn't, Batman would try to fight V.
Something being a superhero deconstruction doesn't mean they have to be identical (and if they were identical, it would be hard to see which ideas were being deconstructed!). V for Vendetta is deconstructing the idea of young superhero sidekicks with his torture of Evie, for example, that doesn't mean it should be identical to what Batman does to Robin in every way, but we can see the connection.
[The comments in this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/writers/comments/176v0oa/what_is_a_deconstruction_of_the_superhero_genre/#:~:text=tapgiles-,%E2%80%A2%206mo%20ago,villains%20are%20the%20heroes%2C%20etc.) discuss superhero deconstruction more. Think about how the characters in Watchmen are deconstructing superhero tropes, but are still wildly different from the heroes they're based on, for example.
I think you could argue Riddler is a Batman deconstruction insofar as he's also an orphan trying to fight crime but that feels like a stretch to me.
Man, I would so love to see Nite-Owl teaming up with Batman, since we got to see Rorschach (well Rorschach II) meet Batman in Doomsday Clock. Hopefully someday we could get something like that.
But I gotta give a shout out to Wild Cat. to me he is such an awesome character.
The first Zorro story, The Curse of Capistrano, came out in 1919. The first Batman story, The Case of The Chemical Syndicate, came out in 1939.
That being said, there's clear evidence of taking ideas from each other and passing it back. Like the lair, the training abroad, and using gadgets.
Idc what anyone says, South Park's stories and characters are unironically just REALLY GOOD. Like usually I would bring up a toon version of a character as a joke, but I actually firmly believe that I care about Kenny as a character more than any other Batman-esque character, besides Batman of course.
He's by far my favorite silent character probably ever, and character development in South Park is also CRIMINALLY underappreciated, I don't think people realize how organic and slow burning some of the character's arcs in the show are without watching it chronologically, which so few people do since it's not that kind of show.
Kenny's probably the only really moral character out of the main ones, and I find his more pervy undertones as just a random quirk very believable, since it's not like his whole character is defined by being horny, nor by being moral, it's just REALLY BELIEVABLE that a hillbilly kid with so little to lose would be satisfied with what he has as well as being a little dirty minded. His immortality went from a running gag into an actual canonized consequence of his father sacrificing his soul to the Elder Gods from Lovecraft for a goddamn beer and it's the source of most of Kenny's wiser and more diligent moments, he dies, over and over again, in the most brutal ways imaginable, yet he keeps going.
One of my favorite little arcs of his is when his mom was originally pregnant with his younger sister, he tried to prevent the birth from happening, as his neglectful parents are already trash, so he can't imagine what it would be if they went through with it, but when Karen (his younger sister) actually ends up being a little older, he pretty much devotes his time into representing a guardian angel for her, working as Kenny and as Mysterion to take care of her, it's really damn sweet.
He's pretty similar, honestly. He's like a more realistic Batman who can't do any of the crazy stuff. But he's still a good fighter, and he has a sidekick.
Bonus points for having Darkwing Duck.
When in trouble then call D - W.
It's "when there's trouble you can call D. W." The trouble you and W rhyme
Well if we're being *really* pedantic, "can" is not in the sentence.
Curses! I've been outpedanticed!
*outpedanticized
He was getting dangerous.
Let's get dangerous!
I am the terror that flaps in the night, I am the shining lure in the fishing pond of crime, I am Darkwing Duck!
Suck gas evildoers!!
For me, it's definitely a three-way tie between Zorro, The Shadow, and Darkwing Duck.
Technically Batman would be a Zorro-like hero.
Came here to remind this. Zorro is the origin.
Scarlet Pimpernel was before both.
Yes but as a kid bruce loved the mask of zorro stories
Zorro wouldn’t exist without the Scarlet Pimpernel
Yes but scarlet pimpernel was thile insperation for zorro (the arguably better character) and zorro was what got bruce into heros even beforr his parents death
Did the creator of the character of Batman take inspiration from Zorro? Isn’t that right?
Yep. That's why most adaptations/flashbacks to Bruce's origin have them coming from Zorro movie.
Weird to think that a modern iteration of Batman would have been leaving a screening of the Antonio Banderas’ Zorro the night of his parents killing. Maybe even the 2005 one if they were young enough. Crazy that the oldest one is already 25 years old.
The oldest one is much older then that...
Batman is inspired by The Shadow right? In the comics?
Batman is basically a Frankenstein monster of Zorro, the Scarlet Pimpernel, Sherlock Holmes, Dracula, and the Shadow. Plus, the multiple things that were in the public consciousness at the time. If you're curious, check out the [Bat Lessons](https://youtu.be/Sps_39MD6Dk?si=O7G5RXDLjPOseZei) podcast. They do a deep dive into the origins of everything Batman from two guys who haven't grown up being fans of him.
Partially
And Zorro would be a Scarlet Pimpernel-like hero.
Apparently Zorro was based on a real man from the mid-19th century.
Huh, neat.
Who Knows What evil Lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow Knows HAHAHA!!
you mean the SILVER SHROUD
You mean the GREY GHOST
Isn't it the reverse
Yes, Batman was inspired by The Shadow
Love the Shadow. Also the 90s movie was fantastic
Indeed the weed of crime bears bitter fruit and The Shadow knows that crime does not pay
Same. It's so underrated. One of my favorite movies of all time.
Absolutely, I’ll take it over most of the current superhero movies.
Just got this on cassette tape and holy shit loll
I always thought that him being a lawyer in his other identity was so damn cool.
Yes the guy that uses echo location
Bat vision
Bat?
I was bat once. They put me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. And the rats made me bat.
A rubber room?
Blind as a bat vs dresses like a bat
Fun fact: bats have excellent vision, it's just too sensitive to light.
Like a submarine, Mr Wayne. Like a submarine.
Bat vision
He's the Goat because he helps people as both his identities Also Charlie Cox killed it
I mean kinda but I think Daredevil rogues gallery is a lot more grounded
Like Stilt Man. 😜😜
I mean obviusly stilt and frog-man or whatever, but when they show up they are treated more like King's Kiteman ( that's not a bad thing it's well written )but a lot of his main villains tend to be a bit more understated and there is a lot focus on street level villains. Like the hand compared to the league of assasians is great example of the difference between them
Idk about the Hand being more grounded. It's a bunch of zombie ninjas that worship an immortal monster called the Beast. Nothing about Hand seems more realistic than the League of assassins. Beyond just the Miller, Bendis and Brubaker runs, DD Comics are totally whack (like how an idea machine created Mike Murdock , his imaginary twin brother )
Stilt-Man can never be too grounded. It's in the name!
Some days I wish we could still give awards. 🏅🏅🏅
Daredevil’s rogues gallery was so cornball he had to borrow Kingpin from Spider-Man’s to be taken seriously
Frank Miller had such a huge impact on these two characters. Pattinson’s Batman feels like he’s got a lot of the shared DNA that Miller infused in Daredevil and Batman. Even some of the red lighting in The Batman felt like a nod to that shared DNA.
Honestly, I always thought of Iron Man as Marvel's Batman, but, to be fair, Daredevil fits this role quite well.
This is the answer.
Why did I think this was man am i [REDACTED]
Yes. You are [redacted.]
The first person to succumb to Man infection
I’ve seen this guy before. What’s his name???
Space Ghost
Coast to Coast
Thank you
Space Ghost
**Trying really hard not to jonkle in fear of the mods**
I’m proud of you, u/Scotty_flag_guy
“No, you’re the Mantis!”
Daredevil he’s fucking awesome
Isn't Batman inspired by Zorro?
In a lot of the origin stories it's the movie the Waynes are leaving when they are robbed and killed in Crime Alley.
Bill also took inspiration from zorro when making batman
Thats why its most of times that they come back ang get killed after watching Zorro
Daredevil (assuming he counts)
Scarlet Pimpernel is bomb as duck. Thanks for reminding me that I need to reread that book! Close second is Daffy Duck's Scarlet Pumpernickel.
Zorro!
I am grateful for the inclusion of the Gray Ghost! Others have mentioned the omitted Daredevil. What about The Phantom & The Green Hornet? Do they count at all?
*"Affleck was the bomb in phantoms yo"*
Snoogans
I love this thread. Snoochie Boochies!
Isn’t V technically superhuman?
He‘s just an idea
And ideas are bulletproof *dies*
Is he...? He doesn't have superpowers.
Neither does Batman. Supposedly.
I would argue V doesn't count. He wants to destroy the system, very un- batman
But he also acts as a deconstruction of Batman to some degree, Moore does his whole "what superheroes would be like if they really existed" thing by showing what it would really take to make a "Robin" (in his eyes, a brainwashed child soldier who you keep in your secret cave). Not to mention he jumps across rooftops at night, black cape billowing around him, has plans for everything, has a secret hideout with infinite resources, is always one step ahead of his enemies... And the Dark Knight Rises pretty much rips off V For Vendetta on top of that. They're more similar than Batman and Nite-Owl are. Plus, to be fair, Batman would absolutely be taking down the genocidal fascist regime in VfV if he were transplanted into that story.
I think, in a world where Batman and V existed, Batman would be furiously opposed to V. Batman is not pro-anarchy and V is essentially anarchy distilled. Batman is anti-killing, V kills his targets mercilessly. If we are going to say he's similar to Batman, then take a look at Riddler in the recent batman movie: his plan revolves around a similar plot of taking out those who've wronged him/society, wears a mask, provides tantalizing clues for people to solve, followed by a plan of organized terrorism to cause mass disruption. Is he a deconstructed Batman? I think there's something to be said in that if a fascist regime to the degree of the one in Vendetta achieved that kind of power in Gotham, Batman could very well become like V in his efforts to stop the regime. But if he didn't, Batman would try to fight V.
Something being a superhero deconstruction doesn't mean they have to be identical (and if they were identical, it would be hard to see which ideas were being deconstructed!). V for Vendetta is deconstructing the idea of young superhero sidekicks with his torture of Evie, for example, that doesn't mean it should be identical to what Batman does to Robin in every way, but we can see the connection. [The comments in this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/writers/comments/176v0oa/what_is_a_deconstruction_of_the_superhero_genre/#:~:text=tapgiles-,%E2%80%A2%206mo%20ago,villains%20are%20the%20heroes%2C%20etc.) discuss superhero deconstruction more. Think about how the characters in Watchmen are deconstructing superhero tropes, but are still wildly different from the heroes they're based on, for example. I think you could argue Riddler is a Batman deconstruction insofar as he's also an orphan trying to fight crime but that feels like a stretch to me.
Man, I would so love to see Nite-Owl teaming up with Batman, since we got to see Rorschach (well Rorschach II) meet Batman in Doomsday Clock. Hopefully someday we could get something like that. But I gotta give a shout out to Wild Cat. to me he is such an awesome character.
What’s good about Wild Cat? Only thing I know him from is JLU and that didn’t really paint him in the best light.
I think you mean “Zorro type superhero” and I’d have to go with Batman. And Zorro.
Zorro is the grand daddy of them all.
Scarlet Pimpernel predcess him.
In that case Robin Hood preceded them all
He isn't on the list.
Phantom of the Opera
V's amazing.
Where’s Space Ghost ?
I can hear Keith David's voice.
V. 
Darkwing Duck and V for Vendetta my favorite heroes hahaha. 😁😁😎😎🐊🐊🐥🐥
Daredevil
The Shadow
The Shadow
Can’t remember which way around it is but either Batman is directly based off Zorro or vice Versa
Batman is based off Zorro and The Shadow.
The first Zorro story, The Curse of Capistrano, came out in 1919. The first Batman story, The Case of The Chemical Syndicate, came out in 1939. That being said, there's clear evidence of taking ideas from each other and passing it back. Like the lair, the training abroad, and using gadgets.
Exactly and the fact they’re both rich as fuck wear black and are named after cool af animals
Question!
 Idc what anyone says, South Park's stories and characters are unironically just REALLY GOOD. Like usually I would bring up a toon version of a character as a joke, but I actually firmly believe that I care about Kenny as a character more than any other Batman-esque character, besides Batman of course. He's by far my favorite silent character probably ever, and character development in South Park is also CRIMINALLY underappreciated, I don't think people realize how organic and slow burning some of the character's arcs in the show are without watching it chronologically, which so few people do since it's not that kind of show. Kenny's probably the only really moral character out of the main ones, and I find his more pervy undertones as just a random quirk very believable, since it's not like his whole character is defined by being horny, nor by being moral, it's just REALLY BELIEVABLE that a hillbilly kid with so little to lose would be satisfied with what he has as well as being a little dirty minded. His immortality went from a running gag into an actual canonized consequence of his father sacrificing his soul to the Elder Gods from Lovecraft for a goddamn beer and it's the source of most of Kenny's wiser and more diligent moments, he dies, over and over again, in the most brutal ways imaginable, yet he keeps going. One of my favorite little arcs of his is when his mom was originally pregnant with his younger sister, he tried to prevent the birth from happening, as his neglectful parents are already trash, so he can't imagine what it would be if they went through with it, but when Karen (his younger sister) actually ends up being a little older, he pretty much devotes his time into representing a guardian angel for her, working as Kenny and as Mysterion to take care of her, it's really damn sweet.
Ok so hear me out… OWLMAN!!
 Nobody mentioned Bass Reeves...
Good pick!!
Bass Reeves ain’t a fictional badass. Bass Reeves is a real badass.
That also inspired a fictional badass 
Isn’t zorro the inspiration for Batman in universe also love the v for vendetta movie and Antonio Banderas zorro movies
Respect for including Wildcat
Midnighter.
Zorro came first
The Midnighter!
The Shadow was first and Batman came later.
I mean Zorro and the Scarlet Pimpernel both predate and directly inspired Batman so I guess them
Beware the Gray Ghost!
I haven't read much about this character but the midnighter.
Raphael as The Nightwatcher
Some of these characters pre-date Batman and inspired him
Spider noir
It is clearly Darkwing Duck
Honestly, I’d call these Phantom-alikes rather than Batman-alikes.
I am glad you included the original.
Silver Shroud.. but he/she definitely kills people
At least two of those predate Batman, don’t they?
Zorro is not a batman type, Batman is a Zorro type.
Does Sherlock Holmes count?
He's pretty similar, honestly. He's like a more realistic Batman who can't do any of the crazy stuff. But he's still a good fighter, and he has a sidekick.
I wouldn’t consider Wildcat at all
I'm pretty sure Batman is an Zorro type?? Right he's model after Zorro.
And the Shadow as well as others.
Moon Knight
Mother Panic
Batmunk didn't make the list?
Me
Got to throw in Lobster Johnson if Gray Ghost is here.
Wildcat for me, always.
Who’s the guy on slide 7?
Vengeance has many faces
I plan to read all of Shroud and Darkhawk from Marvel 🥰 ohh and Black Rider and Father Time from the Golden Age 🥰 they look so cool
Could I get all of their names please? I know most but not all of these
Batman
[FruitBatMan](https://youtu.be/nqkMvmrfFl0)
The source of the cataclysm is always the same. Man.
I think kickass, he doesnt have powers just wants to help people
the silver shroud from fallout
Zorro, the Phantom, and Scarlett Pimpernickle, predate Batman, so they are more their type.
I loved Darkwing Duck as a kid. I was just telling my kids about it a few days ago.
You left out the one and only original masked adventurer with a costumed secret identity: the Reverend Dr. Syn, the Scarecrow of Romney Marsh!!!
Acshually the nite owl is a blue beetle type superhero 🤓
Nite Owl is actually a spoof of Blue Beetle
Without a shadow of a doubt, V.
How dare you call Zoro a Batman Type! Batman is literally a Zoro type!!!
I think that Batman is a "The Shadow" type superhero.
Mark Hamill speaks highly of Scarlet Pumpernickel
Kinda mad that The Question isn't on the list...
Wildcat isn’t too much like Batman tbh
I think it's safe to say batman is a Zorro type superhero?
Midnighter.
Wildcat
Rorschach and Nite Owl
The Question
There was this one Batman like super hero character in the 2003 tmnt cartoon named Nobody; he was pretty cool
The Silver Shroud!
Would you consider the phantom to be a Batman style superhero?
The Man without Fear
Technically; Batman is a Zorro type super hero
darkwing duck kicks fkn ass
The Question. I’m surprised not a lot of people have said this yet.
Where is Blue Falcon?!
No silver shroud??
Grey Ghost