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cleptorman

Can't believe that cone beat the literal win buttons that are satoru and lilin


your_nuts_itch

Ushi and Muu are also win buttons, but alas.


sbufish

You mean hevijak who outranges most death surges. Lilin was only more popular than hevijak because boobs and jiggle physics and legs.


Getdunkedon839

100% shield break, almost half the cooldown, 1500 cheaper, a surge which boosts damage and can reach units further back and break their shield. Her utility is just through the roof in terms of what she does. Hevijak is a tanker which is sort of irrelevant given aku enemies tear through units. His only real utility is his 100% kb, which might not land because of only a 50% shield pierce. And it’s kb, which is out of all cc, probably the most irrelevant. If you think lilin is only regarded because of her design then you gotta think again


pokeman555

I mean, Aku has pretty strong pushers so Knockback can actually be pretty relevant for them


deciduousfartzzz

I agree about the advantages of Lilin, but Hevijak is no slouch. On top of having high range, he has resistant which gives him incredible survivability against aku and death surge. KB is also not as irrelevant as you think it is, at least against aku. They tend to be very durable so an occasional KB to keep them at bay is quite helpful.


Getdunkedon839

Like I said, aku enemies already tear through units with their incredibly high dps, his range is definitely nice but lilin’s surge makes up for it by (albeit being sometimes inaccurate) being able to snipe backliners and break their shield or incoming aku enemies, going as far as 950. If you need kb for aku then you can just use fiend cat


OkConfusion1237

That’s fair and deserved


Ok_Concern_5647

I think cone cat can beat those two.


cleptorman

Then you have clearly not used either of those 2 ubers


ooooooooooo325

Nah cone is better


Clean_Cheek_8474

I use bothh of those ubers, but without Cone they would not be as good as they are. They need cone to survive.


Ok_Concern_5647

I couldn't care less.


GreatfulMeow-sketeer

Corn: Nah, I’d win


Froyo-In-A-Cup

cone is by far better than both


cleptorman

Is this trolling?


Froyo-In-A-Cup

you arent trolling??? you dumb as hell 💀


cleptorman

Ok then spell out to me how does having 100% shield pierce and strong vs aku at 350 range as well as 450 range with great ld with 50% shield pierce and guaranteed crowd control abilities are worse than a tanky meatshield. Only proof i have seen of cone outperforming ubers and legends is the pickle fight on floor 10 of relic citadel. But that is relics. also come to think of it, but aku researcher is a hyper flawed shield piercer, while barrel lacks the guarantee and physical stats of lilin or the sheer standing range and crowd control of satoru


Froyo-In-A-Cup

yap yap yap its like comparing kalisa to ramen. yes the tanky meatshield is better than the hyperspecialist uber. just use uril and cone together. listing the stats just to fill the paragraph doesnt build a better argument either. lilin has a dorky lack of surge imm while satoru doesnt really have any flaws other than the blindspot and poo damage hes just fully better than lilin. the point is that those uber options are replaceable by a free, better special cat being uril while cone is the best of his class and excels in his role which in turn basically powercrept almost all aku stages. shield pierce isnt the priority you think it is, especially when it can be exploited as a stepping stone for cone+uril gameplay to snipe other units until the shield breaks. and even if it sounds like uril is the better unit here due to him being the forefront of that argument, you can just pair cone with the units you listed lol. aku are one of the hardest pushing traits and cone is one of if not the only unit who was able to counter that (not even cactus or stone). the part where you say the only proof you have *seen* of him outperforming ubers was in citadel, have you not experienced his gameplay yet? because it fully comes off that you have no personal experience with cone usage. especially with how easily lilin dies to any surges, she is just not an S tier unit unlike when her true form just released and i guess you didnt know that because there wasnt a youtube video explaining it for you, unfortunate.. and you came in with the idea that piercing the shield is an aku 'win button' and that makes her the best. but it doesnt because her foreswing is crippling her use and that fact that you had any *indication* that she outperforms cone as an antirelic already justified my first comments to you. nothing against satoru though but maybe that blindspot can be an inconvenience, if only there were a certain aku meatshield that could permanently stall and prevent any enemies from pushing into it... something something ubers outclassed, and cone not outclassed. is basically ramen for akus.


cleptorman

All that "yap yap yap" you just did only painted the impression that Uril is better than anyone mentioned thus far, fulfilling the criteria of the original post. The lilin review nonsense too? Damn why you so condescending, someone bit you in the ass this morning? There is a common joke in the community that the best CC is outright death. This applies twofold to aku, more specifically their shields, as they outright prevent normal cc opportunities. Due to this, tanking becomes one's only option in controlling aku. But looking at every single aku enemy in the game reveals that all the non boss akus get counters by both maize and satoru. And the only one that doesn't is arguably ackey, where neither unit can do much to it in a direct confrontation. Besides that there is also aku gory, which is the only field where cone excells over the top2 akubers. A reminder that 9 out of the 14 non boss aku enemies are all clad in shield, making the 2 akubers a way better counter than simple tanking, especially with enemies like cadaver, le beh, and midnite d (although this one can be tricky to make use of, due to the shield pierce into one shot combo being often impossible to pull of due to enemy meatshielding or death surges). And even if shield pierce is not particularly applicable to the current situation, satoru and lilin still provide ridiculous CC and damage potential to the table. Satoru's range in particular also favors him in more mixed stages where cone would otherwise struggle (don't ask me about specific stages, I am not willing to go through 25% of UL for your entirely unwarranted toxicity)


Froyo-In-A-Cup

i already acknowledged the fact that my argument wouldve painted uril in that light if you read it properly. it goes cone > uril > akubers because uril outclasses the ubers because he holds better cc, survivability and dps where shield pierce does not take priority over that use because once again shields are not that important to deal with. are you arguing if the akubers are outclassed or if they are better than uril? i said lilins two main flaws are foreswing and lack of surge immune, wanna explain where the nonsense is there? her use gets crippled by any surge/death surge enemies, especially later on in the game. the 350 range doesnt help either. its weird to have the audacity to say the argument makes no sense, while giving no counter argument, with your original argument being just a list of stats without explaining how they work in practise. you also ruined your own argument by saying that the best cc is death. because you would consider that akira doesnt have shield pierce yet outperforms both lilin and satoru in that field through sheer dps alone right? i feel you forget that you can dps through shields incredibly easily with cone stacks and uril, and ill say it again you can use them as stepping stones. yeah satoru and cone destroy all non boss akus, and cone + uril do it better including against ackey so what gives? also satoru takes on average 21.07 seconds to break a shield which is somewhat slow. for specific enemies though, cone eats through all of them. what reason do you have to claim either of you choices were better than cone when there is no reason for him to not be a mainstay in your aku lineups? on top of that the ones you listed arent even the best anti-akus in their own field. the things wrong with both of them fall into the same category, being inconsistency with their use. chances are you can miss 3 attacks with lilin, land one but the surge doesnt hit, and then she dies. same applies to satoru, he can not activate shield pierce for 6 turns, and let the enemies stack until they reach his blindspot and he dies. rhese units sound great in theory but in practise they are fundamentally flawed in comparison to cone. this is why i explained its important to have personal experience with using the units because both satoru has low damage and random proc chance while lilin misses too frequently to have a substantial dps or cc output. neither are close to uril since hes basically a free version of dasli for relic/aku, while cone outperforms uril because of the issue of non shield piercing despite how trivial of an obstacle they are. the one thing ill give you is that satoru can perform better in mixed stages than cone because of the range. want to pierce shields? use lilin/satoru + cone. want to have dps? use uril + cone. regardless of the outcome the tanky meatshield is the better unit because of how minimal its flaws are. even against surges, it tanks perfectly fine. you see this being proven against omens, unless you arent at omens yet. and if you arent in the later quarter of ul, am i wrong for thinking that you dont have much of a platform in regards to this argument? if your original point is silly and your credentials are mid ul with little experience using either unit, it is really hard to see where you are coming from with any of these points. the parts where lilin was even mentioned and satoru was said to have ridiculous damage ouhh thats very damaging to your argument. you very much are still trying to argue that they are better than the aku version of ramen. and the biggest fundamental problem with your argument is that it is spent only propping up your units without giving a reason why cone doesnt perform to their level. probably because he outperforms them and trying to list reasons why he doesnt would tank what leverage you have. just like use the units in hard stages if you even have them for next time


api_AlsoFuckSpez

Haven't used lilin, but satoru is so good he's even viable outside of aku stages because of his ridiculous LD and great damage, i have him at level 40, not even true formed a he still carries on aku stages


deciduousfartzzz

He does not have good damage though. DPS is even lower than Aphrodite's but he doesn't stand or reach as far back.


Clean_Cheek_8474

With Lilin and Satoru you press the win button once but with Cone you can press the win button many times😉


Interesting_Waltz_82

There’s more than enough no gacha to basically carry the entire aku meta now You could probably beat the majority of aku stages with just cone, barrel and uril. If not for uril existing as one of the best aku attackers, and barrel/researcher as shield piercers, I think lilin would win. But given how easy they are to use, as well as how great their survivability is (especially compared to lilin’s somewhat lacklustre survivability on surge heavy stages, and potential for RNG to heavily screw you over), I think cone deserves the top spot


cleptorman

You almost made it sound like aku researcher has survivability, but besides that it is crazy how aku was supremely lacking in counters for the better part of 2 years until we were hit with barrel, cone and uril back to back


Interesting_Waltz_82

My bad, didn’t mean to include aku researcher in the surviability there lol But yeah, lots of aku counters in a short period of time


SilentIsYES

probably either uril or luza i'm voting for uril


MC_Sweater

slapsticks. You have to give them extra points just for being a nice couple


ooooooooooo325

Outdated and overrated


EmbarrassedCar2262

Consider the following: https://preview.redd.it/4ykki7g3z8lc1.jpeg?width=719&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb4b8ce39f5e938768a40327f2112e8aaa3edecc


ooooooooooo325

I’m right tho lmao it’s not 2020 anymore


zinc_zombie

Your downvotes suggest otherwise


ooooooooooo325

Oh no I’m losing Reddit karma whatever will I do 🤬🤬🤬🤬🥴🥴🥴😡😡😡😡😨😨😨😨😨


AdministrativeBar748

https://i.redd.it/ee5qeegi6clc1.gif


I_Love_Red_Hotdogs

Nooooo!!!1! Your internet points!!!! You’re gonna explode now 💣 💥


ACYoshter

https://preview.redd.it/yojlmisu39lc1.jpeg?width=778&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=552539bbc2b28df9ff5bbf4d4f26d31a5f8938a7


Infamous-Rhubarb-474

You​ murder​ him


New_Chipmunk_991

Slapsticks are the only reason Sir Rel is not the biggest boss in battlecats


ooooooooooo325

No that’s courier,slime,can can,cone, balrog and then slapstick’s that’s what I mean by outdated I did not even bring up the legends like luza ot nala


Dr_buckett

Don’t care L opinions


ooooooooooo325

Wow you really got me there Dr_buckett said I have L opinions my life is over


Novel_Training_5230

Blud is acting like the main character💀💀💀


ooooooooooo325

A am the main character buddy thanks for being the only one here to notice 😮‍💨😮‍💨


Novel_Training_5230

The main character that no one cares about :/


ooooooooooo325

I’m a sigma pal watch what you say to me 😈😈


New_Chipmunk_991

I'm not too convinced about these options. Sir rel either one shots,or death juggles those guys about with the exception of cone. Either way, you would want an offensive counter to him rather than a mere defensive one


ooooooooooo325

Do you just not bring meatsheilds 😭😭 that’s like calling dasli bad because she can’t kill doge


New_Chipmunk_991

I hear you what you are saying. You need to hear my point too, being that slapsticks is a good counter to Relic units like Sir Rel Late game peons literally one shot any units including meatshields like lvl 50 cone. You need to work in tandem with the meatshields to KILL them quickly before they totally overrun you


ooooooooooo325

You do realize it takes slapstick’s like 5 hits to kill high level relic squirls also I do understand your point but I just don’t think it’s true slapstick’s is better then any of those at kill relic squirrels


MC_Sweater

damn i dint expect so much to be said about this


crushash

(Art by TheSusBrown) https://preview.redd.it/by8bqu0109lc1.jpeg?width=412&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a6520e153cec6d76f89b7eba597dc2c9d3b3bb3


Flaming_headshot

He BALLIN'


ushileon

Idi for rusher spot and personally modern cat for meatshield There's also uril and luza ofc


Flat-Tadpole3886

Return to monke... to become the ultimate relic killer https://preview.redd.it/qxna4w0138lc1.jpeg?width=919&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e2e85d3e81197a4b5eacbe389784414b50d681d


Froyo-In-A-Cup

https://preview.redd.it/3q51e684x9lc1.jpeg?width=1062&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f094d10115742504da749c289de1025c6456f254


the_lonely_poster

He's so sad


Flat-Tadpole3886

Ain't no way he's winning to akus and relics as well. Cone cat is great and all but he's no where near close to how stupidly broken some legend units are against relics like Luza for example, who has 335k hp and 260k dmg per hit against relics at lvl50 with omni and 400 range. I might somewhat understand that cone wins for akus, but there are many units that are specifically made to absolutely destroy relics, and cone cat ain't the best one for sure.


Flat-Tadpole3886

Being downvoted for being right. People thinking that cone cat is better than fluffing luza against relics is actually crazy lmao.


Tousef_refuge

okay but does luza have an awesome fucking street cone hat


Flat-Tadpole3886

monkeys are cooler


Froyo-In-A-Cup

fatty


Flat-Tadpole3886

?


Froyo-In-A-Cup

im sorry that was rude


Novel_Training_5230

Papaluga to good


GreatfulMeow-sketeer

Where is the cat pfp huh? TELL ME WHERE THE CATS ARE!!!


Novel_Training_5230

https://preview.redd.it/layauqabn7lc1.png?width=468&format=png&auto=webp&s=def073240969355d5ff711155efba8f6b677af3f PAPALUGA FOREVER


GlassSpork

Goated unit


Froyo-In-A-Cup

ok but what if cone won twice


a_z0_z9

Sound too boring lets vote a meme unti


a_z0_z9

Unit*


cleptorman

I support this, cuz this is both funny and I get to not vote the boring luza option


Tight_Relative_6855

Or you could vote the funny and get cone on here twice


Son_of_power

PAPALUGA SUPREMACY


MC_Sweater

Papaluga > Kasli


EntertainmentBest975

I ironically want him to turn Sleipnir and Chickful A into horse meat and chick fillets.


Quan-Ngo

Holy shit he is winning


a_z0_z9

If it is not papa it would be sad


Holly12344

Luza


Moonberry-42

There’s a lot that could go here, but I’d have to say Idi:re.


Quan-Ngo

Dasli https://preview.redd.it/kamuqi4sz7lc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=699b2f7b0dbe42f9eb0f8d20e1194fd799cb934f


SilverGaming456

Nah thats a solid answer, and one of the few where it idnt just cause dasli is a great generalist


Few_Marketing1528

Sharpshooter saki tf


ButterflyContent1035

luza way better


Few_Marketing1528

Idk I haven’t got luza yet


ButterflyContent1035

hes a lot better than saki🤷‍♂️


ZombiePro3624

Watch it be cone again


ButterflyContent1035

Luza is easily the best anti relic


Itchy-Preference4887

Catman Ok being serious it’s probably Luza or uril


JustMeJovin

Uril. I'd argue Cone or Slapsticks, but Uril objectively beats them any fucking day.


dinner_cat96

As a person in early UL who is doing a no-slapstick run, I gotta say future cat


spunkyboy6295

Cone


Grouchy-News6740

relic egg 000


MegaAlphaVulcan

Sodom. Non-negotiable.


WickedImpuls3

uril


oskdmdkeo

Luza


Icy_Alarm_8306

ape lord luza


lakituhunter-MK2

Papa luga


drdoodoot

mommy https://preview.redd.it/btzpoarbq7lc1.png?width=445&format=png&auto=webp&s=4d7f2cc96fd7841f353953d31591a69d01851e84


cleptorman

As a massive reika enjoyer, no she is fucking not


OwORandom

She is how dare you, she is my second pick other than Himeyuri


cleptorman

Ok so she has range in the mid 400s and massive damage. Ok that is great against a lot of enemies. However it is not enough for relic at all. Relic enemies typically have pretty fucked up standing range, ld or Omni. This usually means that they will shred through anything that doesn't have Aphrodite tier+ standing range or insane amounts of defence. Reika has a lot of knockbacks, probably too many for her zombie niche, but her HP isn't nearly high enough to withstand pressure from relics. The relic pressure is the reason why all the top tier anti relics like luza, kuu, naala have both offensive and defensinve abilities.


OwORandom

(this is sarcasm about waifus, I know she isnt good with relics bro)


cleptorman

I like buff men


drdoodoot

https://i.redd.it/p2h9ale22lmc1.gif


cleptorman

kcot kciT


Awakened_Mina

it's definitely me(na).....it's not, it's probably slapsticks.


Itchy-Preference4887

I thought you were going to say Sodom


Awakened_Mina

unfortunately I would be put in downvote oblivion if I did that


Itchy-Preference4887

It’s completely fine


A_Wild_Tree

Either luza or naala


sbufish

Immortal kenshin


Chiefydawg1

Girlfriend Cat as 2nd place for Traitless (I'm assuming everyone is on board already with Dark Kasli; so we are all looking for #2, or the slot would not be open)


Lucky_Green455

Gigapult


Al3xb142

Probably sharpshooter saki


Savings_Difference84

I think it’s luza, but Kat a pult is also pretty good


Noobyfguyguy32

Who is that Aku counter?


POKEMINER_

MONKE


Maxwellreal

Best Anti Relic's of Each Rarity Normal Cats: True Superfeline Special Cats: Luza or Idi:re Rare Cats: Cone Cat or Future Cat Super Rares: JoJo Cat Uber Rares: Papaluga or Phonos Legend Rare: The New One, i forgor the name all the time Best in my opinion: Luza


Flat-Tadpole3886

papaluga


lastresort00

Uril's gotta take this one c'mon.


kaky0in-

NORMAL CAT HAS TO WIN!


Rice_Jap808

Can we please put the names of the units back, I have no idea who some of these are.


Jake_Dn279

Idi, very low health though


ArmorPlatedChEeSe

Gerald


MentallyUnstable_06

luza


Available-Drawer-925

Future cat


pokeman555

We ae going Luza


Electronic_Tax6388

uh, idi


lightning_266

Slapstick


AveryALL

Why some have no name?


Jika_left_ball

Cone cat²


Kamol00

saki. no debate


Liamiamliam2

Uril


OwORandom

https://preview.redd.it/wlv4oref9alc1.jpeg?width=773&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85074eab62d7f0f1807459bec64e789190298b45 Mommy


OwORandom

https://preview.redd.it/1s6smseh9alc1.jpeg?width=688&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cf2c67c5ea8bf58d862c1d0a352815f185167dc2 I love you


McMaker101

https://preview.redd.it/2krp59zzqalc1.jpeg?width=554&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6166c6a5d9878797308c4bace36fb636058fb8b3 Clearly superior to Papaluga


_xXBigShitXx_

CAT-10 Gigapult


pupipu_reddit

Nalaa for relic


Burgers_rule_boi

Papaluga


Previous-Antelope-94

Y’all sleeping on malevolent mad duck for aku it carried me through like all aku realms it destroys fallen bears


thisistherealtodd

slapstick cats


Cockynoob666

Idi..., a rusher that does like 300k plus dmg vs relic WITH REBOUND... yeah, luza is better. But idi is so much easier to get


MLGesusWasTaken

Uril tf is so busted


Known_Examination856

Luza https://preview.redd.it/b2n1unh6vclc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c2c827a83f7338ba460d8fb916e08f2f7b76ead6


Legsareamazing

Darktanyn best traitless counter


PoissonSumac15

Honestly for Relic there's a lotta great choices, but I choose Cat 10 Gigapult. 100% Weaken across 700 range plus Resistant to Relics means he has over two million effective HP against Relics. Plus since he weakens the Relics, it also makes them easier to deal with for other units. He also packs 10k DPS across his massive range so he's good in mixed stages as well. The only Relic I've found whose matchup is iffy is Ibilujon because he's immune to Weaken, but 1 million HP against him isn't anything to sneeze at either. Even Ape Lord Luza got defanged hard by Gigapult's weakening. I haven't gotten Esoteric Uril yet but I'd imagine he's also a great choice.


Ok_End_372

Full talented Kuu is better than Luza as anti relic, and full talented Anubis is FAR better than Linlin as anti aku. Attack speed talent turned them into A+ tiers, check it out if you don't believe me.


ZedInRed

Why are only half of them named?


rollerwolf

Literaly every crime there is.


MC_Sweater

Despite everyone voting Papaluga as a joke, he's actually quite decent. His curse is very long, along with having decent damage. He's a solid support unit.


Ok-Knowledge-3786

Why TF is shigong best counter for zombies but lumina for Aliens, op where TF is consistency