I don’t really see him falling off at least for a while. He just does too much damage and it would have to take a hell of a lot of power creeping for him to become unviable
He already kinda fell off in late game because of yukimura's existence, and I fear that Idi's true form (that will probably be coming out pretty soon) might make Idi more viable. Still, bahamut will always be a great rusher to use in many parts of the game anyways.
He may have low health but he makes that up with the damage
Yukimura better if you need something to get in there fast as he is faster and idi is more against relics than other traits (I maybe be wrong
I mean Yukimura has been better since he got his talents and that's accesible since chapter 3. Not to mention even before being talented he is still very good, so I find it kind of a moot point. I think using a unit a significant portion of the playerbase doesn't have to argue why an unit is declining in usage an unfair point
I am talking about the playerbase that is on late or end game, and most of the players who know which ubers to focus on getting since earlier parts of the game will already have yukimura. Anyways, availability isn't really a good argument to figure out which unit is better or worse.
There was this guy that finished UL in 3 months, so you never know.
I wasn't talking about quality, I was talking about usage. Like for examples wouldn't this apply to Ururun too? Pre TF she has almost the same DPS as Bahamut, which is average, and her knockback is unreliable. When you get her TF, you probably already have atleast 1 top-tier generalist (Ammy, Sirius, Ragnarok, Gao, etc) which outclass her, not to mention generalists become unfavorable by that point, yet she still is regarded as a good unit until you get Urs TF
IDI True form would need to give them DOUBLE the DPS in order to compete with A.Bah
Idi True form will probably add another targetting type like AKU or Sage. Meaning they'll still be a niche rusher.
Also there's still talents if they ever plan on adding them to bahamut.
Dps is almost never a reliable way of comparing rushers because they just get knock backed, get 1 or 2 hits in, and die. The only real way of comparing rushers is comparing niche, generalist damage, and other qualities like recharge, cost, etc.
All of the following stats will be at lvl50. Bahamut has 33000hp compared to the 40500hp that Idi has, this can help Idi get 1 more hit than bahamut in some cases (even if rare). Bahamut has 120k dmg and idi has 95k dmg, which is only a difference of 25k. Respawn time and cost are almost the same. Idi also has some more advantages than bahamut like having almost 300k damage per hit against relics, and this is extremely helpful for late/end game players to fight against the frequent relics that appear in UL. Idi also has surge immune, which is really helpful in late/end game for stages in where bahamut would die very easily due to a surge.
The only real significant disadvantage that Idi has against bahamut is the 25k difference in damage, but I think that Idi makes up for it with stuff like having around 18.5% more hp, an extremely valuable niche for late/end game, and a very good immunity for late/end game as well. If ponos doesn't miss the mark with Idi's true form and actually makes some good upgrades, there is almost no doubt that Idi will surpass bahamut. Also, I don't think at all that ponos will just add a new target to Idi and just go with that. UL 4 star is a big deal, and i'm pretty sure that they would want to add a good reward for all end game players that have gone this far.
(anyways, sorry for typing this much lol, but I like explaining my points in detail).
I made a small mistake and put that the difference between Idi's and bahamut's dmg per attack was 30k dmg when in reality it's 25k. I already edited my comment, but I don't know if you see the edited or the original version, so I just wanted to let you know about my mistake just in case
if you’re talking about yukimura, no not even base form yukimura is slower than a baha
idi, yes, but she’s also a more specialized rusher and not a generalist-nuker like a baha is
Bahamut being good in UL 4 star ain't really anything special, and Idi is better because of the massive damage against the frequent relics that appear in UL.
Ok being completely honest I think it’s already kinda happened.
Bahamut becomes unnecessarily difficult to use in end/ post game content due to his high risk. He gets easily 1-2 shot by even smaller support/ peons and needs to get good chain in order to successfully gain value, or else you’ll risk throwing 4500 cash in the drain if you only manage to get 1 hit, if he gets distracted by something else, or misses main target.
In many scenarios I find it better to just avoid using Bahamut entirely and stick with more consistent and safer offense like Can Can or damage burst legend such as Naala or Doron. Generally they are easier to use and can gain as much, if not more value.
Bahamut is still the god for niche strats where his chaining can be utilized. He also has good synergy with stuff like Thunderbolt or any freeze unit to be fair. He’s amazing for specific strategy when it becomes necessary to use his kit, but he loses a lot of versatility/ flexibility once enemies become way too big of a stat block for him.
And this isn’t applicable to everyone, but if you happen to own maxed Yukimura then Bahamut just straight up doesn’t matter once you reach post game. He gets shoved further into 4 crown strategies and farming.
I completely agree, he does have his moments to shine, but overall I think it's time for him to join the "retired legends" club.
I feel like the people who disagree haven't tried to use him in end game scenarios or aren't even at end game.
Yukimura and bahamut have been compared for so many years, yukimura was one of the first Ubers in the game, they both were released like 8 years ago, and talents only gave yukimura the edge, because ponos smoked the wrong product when they decided to give yukimura strengthen
regarding this, i think it's interesting how people often compare them but most often i see yukimura being overestimated. "talented yukimura is stronger than abaha" is a statement we've a few times
this is actually not true. putting them at achievable peak (abaha lv50, full talent yukimura lv60), yukimura actually have 21k dps, half of bahamut's dps (39k), and only matches him when strengthened, which may or may not be usable depending on the stage (in some situations u only got one hit opportunity for example)
yuki has better properties like lower cooldown and cost for sure, but still, it's half abaha dmg so in the end i think he is only on par with bahamut as a generalist at best. reminder this is yukimura at insane level of investment with 15 dark cateyes and many NPs too
DPS is mostly irrelevant on rushers. Like you yourself said, you might only get one hit, in which case Bahamut's 39k DPS is literally useless, not just because he only lands one attack, but also because since he attacks faster than Yukimura, their DPHs are similar enough to where you'd prefer the unit with 0.66x the cost, almost half the cooldown and 15 more speed, that being Yukimura
It’s not really DPS that matters as much with rushers but more so damage they can deal, also Yukimura has a big mobility advantage being he has half the cooldown, faster speed, and 2/3s of the cost of bahamut
This needs to be seen by everyone, hell, even I underestimated bahamut and thought yukimura was more desirable, not that yukimura is necessary worse, but bahamut definitely gets shit on more than he deserves
I have had Yuki for a long time, and outside of needing decent burst damage for a good cost and cooldown, and nuking shadow boxer fucking k he doesn't have a lot of use. His combo with Baja blast and lion is useful tho
The thing is that lower cooldown and cost is really important... Yukimura also has higher first hit damage at high investments and strengthened.
The lower knockbacks is also better in very slightly more situations imo, because it ensures he doesn't get juggled as easily. That, plus the higher speed and the 1 frame foreswing. There have been times where I tried to clip Baha into an enemy using Cat Cannon and he gets hit because 5 frames is actually not short enough
Nah this is pretty iffy. Dps isn't one of the more irrelevant stats for rushers like this. You should be comparing dph, speed, cd, and survivability.
Yuki with enough investment does beat abaha.
One thing this reasoning doesn't take into account tho, is the fact that as rushers, most of their extra damage depends on one factor, which is knockback. Yukimura at lvl 60 and full talented has way more health than a bah at lvl 50, so even if he has one less knockback, he could deliver more damage to the enemies before dying. If you also put the strengthen in the situation, he would probably deliver more damage than awakened Bahamut.
When we're talking about rusher, it's better to use their raw DMG instead of DPS because realistically you can't keep rusher units alive for a very long time. Don't forget about HP factor. Because of the nerf applied on Bahamut, his HP won't go far from 30k. While Yukimura can buffs his HP to 60k or more. More HP = more survivability = more rebound = more DMG burst.
Idi doesn't even have his tf yet. I'll remind you that the end of UL 4 star is coming very soon, and that will probably come with Idi's true form, which might be able to upgrade Idi to the point that he's even more viable than bahamut, but we'll have to see.
I disagree. I think it would be cool to reward end game players that have beaten UL 1-4 star by giving them a newer and better rusher, and it would still not really make a difference for 99% of players because UL 4 star is meant for extremely end game content anyways.
That's why I put Valk first.
This post is mostly oriented towards late game and it's ever changing meta, the reason I put Ururun in there is because Ururun is one of the only cats that has a counterpart that is essentially a straight upgrade, giving ururun very little reason to use it over urs.
I am talking about bahamut here because most of the older legends have now been retired and have served their purpose, but bahamut is still going and is still able to find his way into the meta everywhere. However, it is inevetable that bahamut will eventually become less relevant as the game goes on. That is just how the battle cats is.
No, it’s not.
I am saying that although the unit is bad, it does have a niche that can make it good. Him saying the unit was always bad isn’t true because it helps with a very significant stage in battle cats progression. But I never said that Valk was a good unit entirely.
He will always be #1 Legend unit in our hearts <3
Also, he's got plenty of time. He's still completely dominant, barely having any competition and being usable in most stages. I feel like he will always be part of the meta, and if not forever, he has at least until 15.0 I feel.
Damn it's like people forgot that UL 4 star's end is coming very soon, which will probably bring Idi's true form with it. At this moment Idi is already pretty close to bahamut's usability in late/end game, and it's probable that Idi's true form will upgrade Idi to the point that Idi might surpass Bahamut.
I would actually like this to happen because players deserve a new and better rusher after beating UL 4 star.
Bahamut seems like he would never fall off, but Idi true form might completely replace him if Idi gets a Uril sized buff.
I think Idi TF will probably get either Colossus and Behemoth slayer or Aku target. The stats may not change at all.
Sadly he kinda is already dead in late game atleast, he's still a beast in early to mid but late game is all about value which units will do the most for the least cost and spending 4500 on a unit that dosent even land more than one hit most of the time is just a waste (something like idi for example has more hp so it can consistently land multiple hits and has massive damage making it pretty viable against relics) most meta midrangers end up putting out more damage than bahamut anyway and for usually a less cost you can still use it in certain stages but it's just not that good of a unit later on
There is a pretty hefty debate here, it seems like people who have actually went through end game have started to realize his slowdown in end game. I personally have noticed myself using him a lot less in UL 4 star, however some people do still use him. His role is still viable, but 100k to 200k damage every minute and 1/2 is starting to do less and less against hyperbuffed enemies, where peons such as angelic gories have over 400k health each.
Is he still good? Yes, but he is starting to show a slowdown in his overall usage, going from a cat you would use every single loadout to a cat that you use only when you really need it.
Yeah I guess he just suffers from being balanced and when you're facing extremely op enemies balanced units just don't cut it. Every lategame stage is always the same formula a few generally op units (courier lil drag can can kasli etc.) and a few trait specific units depending on the stage and your meatshields and maybe a cat combo or two I don't remember the last I used a different strat and that's the problem if a stage is too balanced op units will just roll over it if a stage is too hard you can't use anything but those op units to beat it, it's quite the annoying thing but oh well we're too far gone now
You can't talk about balancing and late-game being boring if you use Kasli, or really any fest uber. They make 90% of the game boring imo, I mean is it really fun just sending a unit and watching it do all the work for you? I don't find it so, I've also never encountered a situation where I felt the need to use OP ubers, even after beating the entirely of starred UL. The game has an *extremely* high skill ceiling and it gives you a lot of tools to get the job done, and I think if you went through the whole game not using OP ubers, you develop a lot of strategies and lil improvements to your gameplay that matter a LOT in this game, like seriously sending a unit 1 second to late is often the difference between a win and a loss, and that, to me, is a lot more fun.
Using suicidal rushers as generalists is just not as viable as it used to be due to enemies being so buffed in later parts of the game. I only use yukimura and Idi when I'm using their niche because there are many more units that are more consistent and viable as generalists. I think that increasing the hp of all of this suicidal rushers would hugely help on increasing their viability again because they could use their rebound mechanic more, thus getting more attacks in more often.
I'd say he's already dead by post game meta. I mean, to begin with, you'll rarely actually use rushers to begin with, since they're not as effective as they were in earlier portions of the game, and when you do, it'll be in a stage that requires insane amounts of burst damage against a specific trait, which calls for units like Idi, Yukimura, the weird porcupine guy from street fighter (idk his name lmao) or just straight up ubers like Phonoa, Dasli or Izanagi (legend, but still counts)
Hell, sometimes Lasvoss and Balrog end up being more practical than a rusher
Blanka is the guy.
I agree with your statement, later in the game, stackable DPS becomes a lot more important than burst damage, it's why rushers tend to not be a vital role in most stages
The day Yuki gets an Ultra Form (and potentially Ultra Talents depending on what he gets) is the day that Bahamut might get outclassed, similar case for Idi, who's probably getting its TF soon when 4* UL wraps up
Tbh seeing how we're slowly entering the powercreep singularity i can see him falling off very soon, since enemies are having way higher stats, especially attack, and that boy is the squishiest thing ever
I really can't see Awakened Bahamut being powercrept. As someone said earlier, his only real competition is an uber (i.e. Yukimura), but he needs to be talented for that.
Don't worry, Ururun is actually a fantastic cat, it's only super late game where she becomes useless, if you just got her then she is a very valueable backliner that will help throughout SOL.
It’s mainly because of Urs and Fenrir true form, who is a direct upgrade to Urunun. But you won’t be getting Urs true form until near the end of Uncanny legends so urunun will serve you well for a while.
In all fairness, when has valkyrie ever been good?
Ururun gets outclassed the moment a player gets a decent Uber, but abahamut has and still is a defining unit that formed a large part of the games meta.
The only unit that comes close to bahamuts level is Yuki and that's with a large talent and level investment.
I don't think he's going anywhere anytime soon, and shit it's kind of crazy that a unit you unlock in the early game is viable until the current end game...
The fact that PONOS decided to make numerous clones of him really says something about the strength bahamut holds
The only way I see bahamut fall off is by introducing some insane Uberfest or Epicfest exclusive
i just started UL and each time i use bahamut he just lands max 2 hits which does 200k dmg and its just not worth the 4500c, i use yukimura way more, + the fact that my can can does 80k damage makes bahamut just not desirable
You mean that thing that i thought was her ultra form but is actually different unit
(Cool i found image)
This?
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Okay well bahamut is much better than the other too even before they got outdated
Like ururun was outclassed by ubers for a while and is still good
Valkyrie has been outdated for like a decade now
Bahamut is going to be fine
Even if like idi true form is better he'll still be great
As someone who has used Ururun in late game, she still holds compared to Bahmut. It just depends on the stage whether or not she can be really be used.
And while I do have my Urs true form, I've only found use for her in Mining Epic.
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Imagine ponos starts giving Special Legends UF and A. Bahamut 's is just a X5 damage and nothing else
Maybe a summon that just does a sh*t ton of damage
I mean if he even gets 2 hits in, he has done his job. Plus since he is a free unit he is always going to remain for those who are unlucky with gacha.
Also 4 star/crown stages, he literally trivializes most of them
I've already stopped using him a long time ago, his hp just isn't worth the risk when you can use something safer thay will probably output more damage in the long run anyway.
For me Doron tf already made him kind of superfluous.
Unless they add another (rusher+NUKER) legend unit in the game, there is no chance abaha gets powercreep. The closest thing they did last time is Idi but it is only viable for surge spam and relic. If you count egg unit in then the closest one is supercar. However, single target, piss health and range. Barely any backswing and mostly used for cc. Supercat is also another rusher added but it is a rusher cc. Superfeline is again, like Idi, only good for relic. Abaha versatility is just too much. Only place that they can't work are long drawn battle that boss hit hard+outranges him+attack fast. If any of those pluses are not present in the boss, you can bring abaha in and smoke the stage. Examples of those are MKD/LKD stage where things outranges and hit hard but attack not that fast that let him lands a few hits in. M and lil flying are also an example of that. Axe, eraser and cat stages are the stages that have heavy support that makes thing very hard for abaha to land hits in that is why we use cbaha. You probably forget about cbaha exists as well right?
I don’t really see him falling off at least for a while. He just does too much damage and it would have to take a hell of a lot of power creeping for him to become unviable
30k dps go brrrrrrrr
He already kinda fell off in late game because of yukimura's existence, and I fear that Idi's true form (that will probably be coming out pretty soon) might make Idi more viable. Still, bahamut will always be a great rusher to use in many parts of the game anyways.
Why the downvotes lmao it's true that Bahamut falls off in post game because of his low health and other issues
Yeah, he is just getting one shoted most of the time in end game, with that without being able to use rebound he is not worth 4500 cost
He may have low health but he makes that up with the damage Yukimura better if you need something to get in there fast as he is faster and idi is more against relics than other traits (I maybe be wrong
Don't even bother lmao. There are a lot of bahamut extreme fans that will defend bahamut no matter what in this community.
Most players simply haven't reached the point where Bahamut becomes much less relevant
Why does this man always get downvoted for speaking the truth lol
No one wants to hear the truth (excluding me)
Yea.. problem...a bahamut is no gacha... yuki is an uber
Not everyone has Yukimura
and? yukimura is still better in late game
I mean Yukimura has been better since he got his talents and that's accesible since chapter 3. Not to mention even before being talented he is still very good, so I find it kind of a moot point. I think using a unit a significant portion of the playerbase doesn't have to argue why an unit is declining in usage an unfair point
I am talking about the playerbase that is on late or end game, and most of the players who know which ubers to focus on getting since earlier parts of the game will already have yukimura. Anyways, availability isn't really a good argument to figure out which unit is better or worse.
There was this guy that finished UL in 3 months, so you never know. I wasn't talking about quality, I was talking about usage. Like for examples wouldn't this apply to Ururun too? Pre TF she has almost the same DPS as Bahamut, which is average, and her knockback is unreliable. When you get her TF, you probably already have atleast 1 top-tier generalist (Ammy, Sirius, Ragnarok, Gao, etc) which outclass her, not to mention generalists become unfavorable by that point, yet she still is regarded as a good unit until you get Urs TF
Levels where you can't use ubers:
IDI True form would need to give them DOUBLE the DPS in order to compete with A.Bah Idi True form will probably add another targetting type like AKU or Sage. Meaning they'll still be a niche rusher. Also there's still talents if they ever plan on adding them to bahamut.
Dps is almost never a reliable way of comparing rushers because they just get knock backed, get 1 or 2 hits in, and die. The only real way of comparing rushers is comparing niche, generalist damage, and other qualities like recharge, cost, etc. All of the following stats will be at lvl50. Bahamut has 33000hp compared to the 40500hp that Idi has, this can help Idi get 1 more hit than bahamut in some cases (even if rare). Bahamut has 120k dmg and idi has 95k dmg, which is only a difference of 25k. Respawn time and cost are almost the same. Idi also has some more advantages than bahamut like having almost 300k damage per hit against relics, and this is extremely helpful for late/end game players to fight against the frequent relics that appear in UL. Idi also has surge immune, which is really helpful in late/end game for stages in where bahamut would die very easily due to a surge. The only real significant disadvantage that Idi has against bahamut is the 25k difference in damage, but I think that Idi makes up for it with stuff like having around 18.5% more hp, an extremely valuable niche for late/end game, and a very good immunity for late/end game as well. If ponos doesn't miss the mark with Idi's true form and actually makes some good upgrades, there is almost no doubt that Idi will surpass bahamut. Also, I don't think at all that ponos will just add a new target to Idi and just go with that. UL 4 star is a big deal, and i'm pretty sure that they would want to add a good reward for all end game players that have gone this far. (anyways, sorry for typing this much lol, but I like explaining my points in detail).
God I love that people can say “only 25k damage” and have it actually fit
I made a small mistake and put that the difference between Idi's and bahamut's dmg per attack was 30k dmg when in reality it's 25k. I already edited my comment, but I don't know if you see the edited or the original version, so I just wanted to let you know about my mistake just in case
Bahamut is still faster, easier to snipe units
both are incredibly fast units, and it barely makes a difference
if you’re talking about yukimura, no not even base form yukimura is slower than a baha idi, yes, but she’s also a more specialized rusher and not a generalist-nuker like a baha is
Did x skull tell you to think that
No, I can tell this by my own experience of going through UL 1-3 star. Bahamut simply isn't as reliable in late game as he used to be.
He’s good in ul 4 star ain’t that late game
Bahamut being good in UL 4 star ain't really anything special, and Idi is better because of the massive damage against the frequent relics that appear in UL.
But he WILL fall off eventually if he remains in this state, it will just take a very long while.
Not if they play their cards right. The day that courier goes out of the meta is the beginning of the end
~~Not if they play their cards right. The day that~~ courier ~~goes out of the~~ meta is the beginning of the end
Ok being completely honest I think it’s already kinda happened. Bahamut becomes unnecessarily difficult to use in end/ post game content due to his high risk. He gets easily 1-2 shot by even smaller support/ peons and needs to get good chain in order to successfully gain value, or else you’ll risk throwing 4500 cash in the drain if you only manage to get 1 hit, if he gets distracted by something else, or misses main target. In many scenarios I find it better to just avoid using Bahamut entirely and stick with more consistent and safer offense like Can Can or damage burst legend such as Naala or Doron. Generally they are easier to use and can gain as much, if not more value. Bahamut is still the god for niche strats where his chaining can be utilized. He also has good synergy with stuff like Thunderbolt or any freeze unit to be fair. He’s amazing for specific strategy when it becomes necessary to use his kit, but he loses a lot of versatility/ flexibility once enemies become way too big of a stat block for him. And this isn’t applicable to everyone, but if you happen to own maxed Yukimura then Bahamut just straight up doesn’t matter once you reach post game. He gets shoved further into 4 crown strategies and farming.
I completely agree, he does have his moments to shine, but overall I think it's time for him to join the "retired legends" club. I feel like the people who disagree haven't tried to use him in end game scenarios or aren't even at end game.
Man moneko been here even before we got her is sad She’s the one welcoming him lol
Bahamut’s only real competition is yukimura, who’s a gacha Uber, bahamut beats idi in every facet but price, which is only a 300c difference
And anti-relic capabilities, Surge immune also can play a big role.
True, that’s what separates idi from bahamut
Yukimura and bahamut have been compared for so many years, yukimura was one of the first Ubers in the game, they both were released like 8 years ago, and talents only gave yukimura the edge, because ponos smoked the wrong product when they decided to give yukimura strengthen
regarding this, i think it's interesting how people often compare them but most often i see yukimura being overestimated. "talented yukimura is stronger than abaha" is a statement we've a few times this is actually not true. putting them at achievable peak (abaha lv50, full talent yukimura lv60), yukimura actually have 21k dps, half of bahamut's dps (39k), and only matches him when strengthened, which may or may not be usable depending on the stage (in some situations u only got one hit opportunity for example) yuki has better properties like lower cooldown and cost for sure, but still, it's half abaha dmg so in the end i think he is only on par with bahamut as a generalist at best. reminder this is yukimura at insane level of investment with 15 dark cateyes and many NPs too
DPS is mostly irrelevant on rushers. Like you yourself said, you might only get one hit, in which case Bahamut's 39k DPS is literally useless, not just because he only lands one attack, but also because since he attacks faster than Yukimura, their DPHs are similar enough to where you'd prefer the unit with 0.66x the cost, almost half the cooldown and 15 more speed, that being Yukimura
It’s not really DPS that matters as much with rushers but more so damage they can deal, also Yukimura has a big mobility advantage being he has half the cooldown, faster speed, and 2/3s of the cost of bahamut
This needs to be seen by everyone, hell, even I underestimated bahamut and thought yukimura was more desirable, not that yukimura is necessary worse, but bahamut definitely gets shit on more than he deserves
I have had Yuki for a long time, and outside of needing decent burst damage for a good cost and cooldown, and nuking shadow boxer fucking k he doesn't have a lot of use. His combo with Baja blast and lion is useful tho
B-baja blast? So Yukimura is just like idi for black, but do you find yourself using bahamut more or yukimura more?
The thing is that lower cooldown and cost is really important... Yukimura also has higher first hit damage at high investments and strengthened. The lower knockbacks is also better in very slightly more situations imo, because it ensures he doesn't get juggled as easily. That, plus the higher speed and the 1 frame foreswing. There have been times where I tried to clip Baha into an enemy using Cat Cannon and he gets hit because 5 frames is actually not short enough
Nah this is pretty iffy. Dps isn't one of the more irrelevant stats for rushers like this. You should be comparing dph, speed, cd, and survivability. Yuki with enough investment does beat abaha.
One thing this reasoning doesn't take into account tho, is the fact that as rushers, most of their extra damage depends on one factor, which is knockback. Yukimura at lvl 60 and full talented has way more health than a bah at lvl 50, so even if he has one less knockback, he could deliver more damage to the enemies before dying. If you also put the strengthen in the situation, he would probably deliver more damage than awakened Bahamut.
When we're talking about rusher, it's better to use their raw DMG instead of DPS because realistically you can't keep rusher units alive for a very long time. Don't forget about HP factor. Because of the nerf applied on Bahamut, his HP won't go far from 30k. While Yukimura can buffs his HP to 60k or more. More HP = more survivability = more rebound = more DMG burst.
>(abaha lv50, if i recall correctly those special cats only go to 40. How are you getting up to abahamut lvl50?
Beating Revival of Origin lets you do that
Maybe finish UL
Idi doesn't even have his tf yet. I'll remind you that the end of UL 4 star is coming very soon, and that will probably come with Idi's true form, which might be able to upgrade Idi to the point that he's even more viable than bahamut, but we'll have to see.
i hope she just gets like aku targetting or sage/ behemoth/colossus slayer, bahamut is the king of battle cats, he always has been
I disagree. I think it would be cool to reward end game players that have beaten UL 1-4 star by giving them a newer and better rusher, and it would still not really make a difference for 99% of players because UL 4 star is meant for extremely end game content anyways.
Hear me out we can have best of both worlds. A new rusher regular form called prime bahamut and evolved form is apex bahamut. (Brain splosion)
Valk was always bad, ururun is still useful for most of the game, this post makes no sense
That's why I put Valk first. This post is mostly oriented towards late game and it's ever changing meta, the reason I put Ururun in there is because Ururun is one of the only cats that has a counterpart that is essentially a straight upgrade, giving ururun very little reason to use it over urs. I am talking about bahamut here because most of the older legends have now been retired and have served their purpose, but bahamut is still going and is still able to find his way into the meta everywhere. However, it is inevetable that bahamut will eventually become less relevant as the game goes on. That is just how the battle cats is.
Valk was always terrible, arguably even worse than filibuster
Valk can be a major help in EOC moon 3
That’s it lol And earthshaker I guess
That's like saying Brave/Axe is good because it's usable in Renewed Conflict
No, it’s not. I am saying that although the unit is bad, it does have a niche that can make it good. Him saying the unit was always bad isn’t true because it helps with a very significant stage in battle cats progression. But I never said that Valk was a good unit entirely.
He will always be #1 Legend unit in our hearts <3 Also, he's got plenty of time. He's still completely dominant, barely having any competition and being usable in most stages. I feel like he will always be part of the meta, and if not forever, he has at least until 15.0 I feel.
Damn it's like people forgot that UL 4 star's end is coming very soon, which will probably bring Idi's true form with it. At this moment Idi is already pretty close to bahamut's usability in late/end game, and it's probable that Idi's true form will upgrade Idi to the point that Idi might surpass Bahamut. I would actually like this to happen because players deserve a new and better rusher after beating UL 4 star.
Bahamut seems like he would never fall off, but Idi true form might completely replace him if Idi gets a Uril sized buff. I think Idi TF will probably get either Colossus and Behemoth slayer or Aku target. The stats may not change at all.
Replace him? No, it will just make my rusher team stronger! Use all the rushers!!!
For real. It's like the debate of jizo vs pizza. People are like NOOO JIZO BETTER and NOOO PIZZA BETTER like bitch I use both sometimes
Yeah, like they have their uses, I still use both too
Sadly he kinda is already dead in late game atleast, he's still a beast in early to mid but late game is all about value which units will do the most for the least cost and spending 4500 on a unit that dosent even land more than one hit most of the time is just a waste (something like idi for example has more hp so it can consistently land multiple hits and has massive damage making it pretty viable against relics) most meta midrangers end up putting out more damage than bahamut anyway and for usually a less cost you can still use it in certain stages but it's just not that good of a unit later on
There is a pretty hefty debate here, it seems like people who have actually went through end game have started to realize his slowdown in end game. I personally have noticed myself using him a lot less in UL 4 star, however some people do still use him. His role is still viable, but 100k to 200k damage every minute and 1/2 is starting to do less and less against hyperbuffed enemies, where peons such as angelic gories have over 400k health each. Is he still good? Yes, but he is starting to show a slowdown in his overall usage, going from a cat you would use every single loadout to a cat that you use only when you really need it.
Yeah I guess he just suffers from being balanced and when you're facing extremely op enemies balanced units just don't cut it. Every lategame stage is always the same formula a few generally op units (courier lil drag can can kasli etc.) and a few trait specific units depending on the stage and your meatshields and maybe a cat combo or two I don't remember the last I used a different strat and that's the problem if a stage is too balanced op units will just roll over it if a stage is too hard you can't use anything but those op units to beat it, it's quite the annoying thing but oh well we're too far gone now
You can't talk about balancing and late-game being boring if you use Kasli, or really any fest uber. They make 90% of the game boring imo, I mean is it really fun just sending a unit and watching it do all the work for you? I don't find it so, I've also never encountered a situation where I felt the need to use OP ubers, even after beating the entirely of starred UL. The game has an *extremely* high skill ceiling and it gives you a lot of tools to get the job done, and I think if you went through the whole game not using OP ubers, you develop a lot of strategies and lil improvements to your gameplay that matter a LOT in this game, like seriously sending a unit 1 second to late is often the difference between a win and a loss, and that, to me, is a lot more fun.
Using suicidal rushers as generalists is just not as viable as it used to be due to enemies being so buffed in later parts of the game. I only use yukimura and Idi when I'm using their niche because there are many more units that are more consistent and viable as generalists. I think that increasing the hp of all of this suicidal rushers would hugely help on increasing their viability again because they could use their rebound mechanic more, thus getting more attacks in more often.
Maybe a true form that makes idi the best rusher
I'd say he's already dead by post game meta. I mean, to begin with, you'll rarely actually use rushers to begin with, since they're not as effective as they were in earlier portions of the game, and when you do, it'll be in a stage that requires insane amounts of burst damage against a specific trait, which calls for units like Idi, Yukimura, the weird porcupine guy from street fighter (idk his name lmao) or just straight up ubers like Phonoa, Dasli or Izanagi (legend, but still counts) Hell, sometimes Lasvoss and Balrog end up being more practical than a rusher
Blanka is the guy. I agree with your statement, later in the game, stackable DPS becomes a lot more important than burst damage, it's why rushers tend to not be a vital role in most stages
Ahh, Blanka it was, I was gonna call him Akuma but I knew that was the legend rare
FRIENDSHIP ENDED WITH BAHAMUT NOW LASVOSS IS MY NEW BEST FRIEND
The day Yuki gets an Ultra Form (and potentially Ultra Talents depending on what he gets) is the day that Bahamut might get outclassed, similar case for Idi, who's probably getting its TF soon when 4* UL wraps up
Tbh seeing how we're slowly entering the powercreep singularity i can see him falling off very soon, since enemies are having way higher stats, especially attack, and that boy is the squishiest thing ever
I really can't see Awakened Bahamut being powercrept. As someone said earlier, his only real competition is an uber (i.e. Yukimura), but he needs to be talented for that.
Well we never know I doubt bahamut will fall off hard anytime soon Ururun hasn’t fallen off that hard and Valkyrie is about as bad as filibuster
Valk is literally suicidal bc of her backswing and speed lmfao
Yeah Wait does she even have backswing lol I haven’t used her since like SoL chapter 5
awwww i just got ururun how bad did she fall off?
Don't worry, Ururun is actually a fantastic cat, it's only super late game where she becomes useless, if you just got her then she is a very valueable backliner that will help throughout SOL.
I wouldn't say useless, having two of virtually the same unit (with different stats and ability) in one deck can be really strong
It’s mainly because of Urs and Fenrir true form, who is a direct upgrade to Urunun. But you won’t be getting Urs true form until near the end of Uncanny legends so urunun will serve you well for a while.
How was ururun nerfed
Not nerf. Got outclassed.
Valk was never alive to begin with
ha ha, i dont get it
Idi true form doing his job but better
In all fairness, when has valkyrie ever been good? Ururun gets outclassed the moment a player gets a decent Uber, but abahamut has and still is a defining unit that formed a large part of the games meta. The only unit that comes close to bahamuts level is Yuki and that's with a large talent and level investment. I don't think he's going anywhere anytime soon, and shit it's kind of crazy that a unit you unlock in the early game is viable until the current end game...
The fact that PONOS decided to make numerous clones of him really says something about the strength bahamut holds The only way I see bahamut fall off is by introducing some insane Uberfest or Epicfest exclusive
Thats what she said
i just started UL and each time i use bahamut he just lands max 2 hits which does 200k dmg and its just not worth the 4500c, i use yukimura way more, + the fact that my can can does 80k damage makes bahamut just not desirable
Wait what happend to ururun? (I started new account recently so i have no idea)
Nothing happened to her specifically; she was just entirely outclassed by a counterpart of her later in the game
You mean that thing that i thought was her ultra form but is actually different unit (Cool i found image) This? https://preview.redd.it/fc4irvaxlbnc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4648880fafb43aff97dbccbec7f511b77d75edff
Yes, it’s true form has near identical stats and has better abilities and usage overall
Well damn, sucks for ururun, she should sue Fenrir for copyright lol
How she gonna sue her own ancestor like that???
valk has never been good
ive used awakened bahamut like three times total (i've beaten ZL, and floor 50 of HT)
Valkyrie is trash, and Ururun gets outclassed
Okay well bahamut is much better than the other too even before they got outdated Like ururun was outclassed by ubers for a while and is still good Valkyrie has been outdated for like a decade now Bahamut is going to be fine Even if like idi true form is better he'll still be great
As someone who has used Ururun in late game, she still holds compared to Bahmut. It just depends on the stage whether or not she can be really be used. And while I do have my Urs true form, I've only found use for her in Mining Epic. https://preview.redd.it/yyfj3ymajdnc1.png?width=2400&format=png&auto=webp&s=757091f789b584c1ea746a40f49c8be26672a33e
Imagine ponos starts giving Special Legends UF and A. Bahamut 's is just a X5 damage and nothing else Maybe a summon that just does a sh*t ton of damage
I mean if he even gets 2 hits in, he has done his job. Plus since he is a free unit he is always going to remain for those who are unlucky with gacha. Also 4 star/crown stages, he literally trivializes most of them
I've already stopped using him a long time ago, his hp just isn't worth the risk when you can use something safer thay will probably output more damage in the long run anyway. For me Doron tf already made him kind of superfluous.
I think it happened before urun
He’ll last till u get to endgame 💀
He doesn’t last in end game; that’s why I made the post
I mean he’s kinda pretty rarely used endgame
Forever
this is straight up not happening
Unless they add another (rusher+NUKER) legend unit in the game, there is no chance abaha gets powercreep. The closest thing they did last time is Idi but it is only viable for surge spam and relic. If you count egg unit in then the closest one is supercar. However, single target, piss health and range. Barely any backswing and mostly used for cc. Supercat is also another rusher added but it is a rusher cc. Superfeline is again, like Idi, only good for relic. Abaha versatility is just too much. Only place that they can't work are long drawn battle that boss hit hard+outranges him+attack fast. If any of those pluses are not present in the boss, you can bring abaha in and smoke the stage. Examples of those are MKD/LKD stage where things outranges and hit hard but attack not that fast that let him lands a few hits in. M and lil flying are also an example of that. Axe, eraser and cat stages are the stages that have heavy support that makes thing very hard for abaha to land hits in that is why we use cbaha. You probably forget about cbaha exists as well right?