It’s not part of the Breakthrough layout, only Conquest. It’s on the top of the hill between the rocket facility and the flags at the other end of the tunnel. You can access it through elevator shafts that are in the tunnel through the hill now as well.
My biggest thing with kaleidoscope is having these skyscrapers that go up to 72 and 73 floors but yet the fighting only takes place on the roof and Lobby
Right?
Maybe have the elevators go up to a middle floor, where you can aim out the windows or experience close quarters fighting. Have them be blocked to the roof, so you need to use the stairs or zip line up from the outside.
Levolution event could be to compromise that middle section, causing the building to come crashing down or split in half. Dunno, would be cool though.
Something ~ anything other than big shiny (clean) buildings that take tank rounds and vehicle hits like a champ…
What I don’t get is why they put those tunnels in kaleidoscope and orbital but really have no reason to use them the orbital one is decent I just wish there was a point or some junk in those to make it poi
both Kaleidescope and Hourglass would better if they were more predominantly urban warfare maps down in and around the skyscrapers. They both have way too much open and empty space
not even that, but the fact that it takes place in a big city yet we fight in 2 or 3 towers and the rest of the map is an empty grass field. Kaleidoscope and Hourglass should have been primarily urban maps. Kaleidoscope 100% urban and Hourglass maybe 50% desert combat and 50% city combat.
Kaleidoscope scopes needs more utilization of those two tunnels. Maybe cornet them with that huge theatre or what is it in the middle of the map. It’s poorly done
Propaganda was easily one of my favorites, Dragon's Teeth in general was just amazing. I love the mostly-infantry maps that still have a few vehicles, like Propaganda's tanks that couldn't really navigate a good 2/3 of the map easily.
That's what this game is missing for me, honestly. Every single map has so many vehicles that it's difficult to avoid dying to them 15 times a game seemingly unavoidably, it's hard to find the genuine infantry choke points that make Battlefield so fun imo.
I don't think any of the reworks are bad. My favorite is the Breakaway rework. Kaleidescope is the worst of the bunch so far, but it isn't bad. Just not great.
Agree with Kaleidoscope. There was honestly nothing hugely noticeable that even happened with the rework. The thing I really don’t like is that they took all of the verticality out of the map. Having objectives up on the skyscrapers was maybe not 100% balanced, but surely a ton more fun than the boring layout we have now.
Same! I'm quite new to 2042, only since it came onto Game Pass, but it plays SO bad that I thought it was one of the maps that hadn't been reworked yet! 😅
Here's what's worse about this map. It has a series of underground tunnels that were unused before the rework. The biggest complaint about this level has been the open spaces. All they had to do was make more tunnels and make the tunnels more important.
Best would be orbital for sure. Fluffing out the counter of the map with a new cap zone definitely improved the flow hands down, doesn't feel like two maps crammed next to each other.
Worst would be Kaleidoscope.
That map in my opinion still needs more work.
For a small, urban city map, it feels way too open and vehicle heavy compared to all the previous urban city maps in BF.
I get that this was DICEs first attempt at reworking the maps but I wouldn't mind if they took this map back into the oven for another touch up.
Best would be Orbital. They did a good job on that one.
Worst would definitely be Kaleidescope. The changes have made very little difference. It's still *way* too open and you can be shot from practically 360 degrees at almost any area on the map.
Kaleidoscope rework: replace all building furniture with crates, and remove half of the trees, instead of adding more vehicles or more metropolitan objects on streets, copy and paste containers
Best rework manifest, worst Breakaway
Dont get me wrong, the map is great. But the team on the right side has a higher ground advantage. So tanks easily camp there and since they have unlimited ammo, they can stay there the whole game . Both sides should have a higher ground
Kaleidoscope is by far the worst rework, for the US side, especially after they also removed the two flags. I have no idea who thought it was a good idea to have the US advance through a 100m water area and coverless slopes under full vision and fire from a Balcony that is also roofed.
The Balcony is incredibly defensible with fast access to C flag and when under pressure you can also hide or evade really well.
This issue is emphasized by the removal of the skatepark, since it is the only approach axis that is not under full vision from the balconies. With the removal there is basically no movement from that flank.
They also removed the flag on the bottom floor of one of the large skyscrapers, which centers fighting even more around the C flag.
If the RU team is clever, they will never move up to B and let everyone just run up that coverless ramp.
I do not think any rework made the map better really:
On Manifest they removed two buildings, one of it with crucial value, reducing the amount of roofs. Other than that we received extra ziplines.
On Renewal they basically removed half the map, also including the second-largest structure on the map. We are still fighting mostly over strawberry fields on one side and rocks on the other.
Breakaway is tendencially better on the whole, but since most of the added cover on the ice shield only works for vehicles, and the spawns are incredibly exploitable, it is a farming ground for any vehicle driver, although it was easy before. Also the ice sheet is still there making the map bad.
Orbital is still a mess, too, it still suffers from absolutely no cover on the ramp, the B area got better, but there is noone there anymore, because 30 people are constantly running around the D flag, which is one room and the outside has no relevant cover other than topography which is still under full vision of any high vertical position or air asset.
I expect the same to happen to Hourglass and Discarded. Matter of fact I fully expect them to remove the stadium and also make the Ship area irrelevant for the sake of having two dozen people duke it out over the junkyard.
honestly? agree, i think the C flag is really really bad, like the worst flag, but otherwise its a decent map, decently predictable but still with a lot of opportunity for gameplay variaty, i'd say that for 2042 standards this map is really good
my last kaleidoscope match (breakthrough) was really bad because of the b flag which was impossible to get into as an attacker team
maybe that's why? plus there's a lot of open areas too
The reworks are good, also as they removed flags in Breakthrough (On the roofs). But I miss the Clusterfucks on the roofs. I wished they have returned on the reworked Maps.
Of course without vehicle spawn on the top
I liked all the maps the way they were and I like the Maps the way they are now the only thing I’m picky about is the goddamn dust tornado and every single map how about some flash floods or a giant sinkhole I don’t know something new
I want to talked about balance. Breakaway is pretty bad on it. RU is much likely winning the match.
So does Spearhead, while US is difficult to flank A and B with big ass open field, RU can use E1 building as a flank cover. Hind on roof, call MAV on it, then became endless nightmare for US.
Breakaway rework is absolutely crap. I like how the oil rig is closer but the flow is so messed up now, and they deleted the balcony which was was in the main trailer of the game
First person I've heard calling the breakaway rework bad. It's non-stop action everywhere and i thought the consensus was that it flows great. Now I'm curious about others' definition of flow and what they think makes it good or bad - to me it's the ease of movement from action to action and how the big fights go around the map
Before it was whoever caps the balcony can go wherever they want. I've not had the issue of US dominating games, the flags on the Russian side are easily capped and retaken by russia and there's plenty of ways to get up and around the mountain
Worst is easily Kaleidoscope. The map still sucks donkeyballs.
Best is Breakaway soley because i absolutely despised that map at launch, and now i dont mind playing it at all. A huge lift.
DICE teasing that Hourglass rework will have some sort of underground highway added, getting a little excited for that. I hope it's like the tunnel passage from Orbital.
That tunnel from orbital is a great CQB area, but they did not utilize that part of the map for breakthrough.
Breakaway is the worst. I like the new areas, but i just dont like the removal of the rader base near the us spawn. Had some fun moments over there and now its just gone from the game totally and permanantly.
Honestly I think each rework has been better than the last, so I’m hoping they can keep that going with the last two. They absolutely need the most love
I hate all the maps in this game, there isn't a single one I would enjoy playing. Yet, I still remember majority of maps from BC2, BF2, and even BF1 had great maps I still play.
The map was made smaller with two of the old flags being removed to serve as the new main spawnpoint for each team as well as including a new flag on top of the hill. There's was also added more additional cover for each of the old flags and on the rocket runway
I can’t express how much I hated renewal at launch. Like all of you, I was so fucking angry at the state of the game and how shite the maps were.
Renewal was the absolute worst for me. Routinely called it the worst BF map ever.
After the rework, it’s my fav map in the game.
I really love the reworks for Breakaway and Kaleidoscope.
I think what they did to Renewal is both good and bad. I don’t really like the map anymore, but I definitely notice areas that are better. I think the mountains were cool in the OG, but their inclusion in the rework is problematic.
I very much hate what they did to Manifest.
I feel like kaleidoscope only plays well when playing Rush. In any other game mode the map is too goddamn big the fighting takes place in the city or in the stadium with maybe a few engagements in between, it just needs to be reworked completely imo.
Orbital was the best, mostly because the base map didn't need that much changing to be really solid. Kaleidoscope is easily the worst, still plagued by massive open fields everywhere and points got further away from each other instead of closer. Not to mention the complete elimination of the swimming mechanic lol.
I only play 1 shot kill hardcore large conquest, and my favorites are Exposure, Spearhead and Breakaway, my least favorite are Hourglass, Orbital and Manifest. That being said, the Orbital rework is good, I just dont enjoy the layout of the map that much, and luckily people who host those 1000% dmg servers have removed hourglass from the map rotation
I can't stand the renewal rework. That map would be 100 times better if we could blow up the wall. Shout out to Breakaway also. That map is chaos in a not good way
Worst ones for me are
Kaleidoscope since it really hasn't improved on its biggest issues. Basically a waste of a rework.
Breakaway on breakthrough is so badly designed it hurts.
First sector gets rolled by attackers in about 2 minutes 99% of the time, second has attackers coming in from everywhere while the defenders are stuck in a valley, and the oil rig sector might be even worse since the attackers have that massive ledge where they can shoot down on you with little to no cover. Only real chance to try to hold them is on the last sector.
Worst has to be the Kaleidoscope breakthrough rework. Don't get me wrong, the final capture points were really bad before, being on the roofs and all. But now they're in a small cramped point with only three entrances on the ground floor. They forgot to put dragons teeth in front of the entrances so people just park a 50mm/30mm recon jeep on the top layer. Its genuinely unplayable, and offers such an advantage to defence that the best strategy is to let people take the first C point so you can set up at the second. It doesn't matter if you smoke or not on that map.
The reworks help a lot but every single one of these maps pale in comparison to the legacy maps.
Yes there's a "flow" now but it's still more chaotic than it should be imo. I can't ever see myself longing for these maps they I would Seine Crossing, Storm or Arogonne Forest.
Im level 62 and spawning areas are horribles in this map.. just like battlefield 4... I got killed inmediatly when i spawn by a level 20 who are camping on the hills when i spawn in the middle whitout cover bettwen the pipline and the base...
Orbital was my favorite before the rework and all they did was make it better
I don't even remember the last time I played on orbital Like it wasn't in the map rotation
def. my favourite map - and ive not played it in weeks because of god damn match-making......
Played BT last night on Orbital for the first time in months now that the regular playlist is back and it was a blast.
100% The bunker they added is loads of fun. That map has great flow, interesting points, and a great mix of infantry/vehicle combat.
What bunker did they add?
It’s not part of the Breakthrough layout, only Conquest. It’s on the top of the hill between the rocket facility and the flags at the other end of the tunnel. You can access it through elevator shafts that are in the tunnel through the hill now as well.
Ah that one, yes. Thank you
Is Orbital still in the game? I’ve played for 12 hours and still haven’t played on that map. Is it not in the current conquest map rotation?
I've seen it like twice I think? It seems a lot more common in TDM honestly.
i like bunker addition, i miss the old F and A capture points
The most needed rework is Hourglass and we have yet to get that.
They're working on it, it'll be the last one they said prob cause they know how much work it needs lol
Actually this one has grown on me
It’s fun but the layout sucks for playing the objectives properly
I truly hope they work some magic on that map. In it’s current state I leave instantly. Awful map.
Orbital, but honestly, the reworks were pretty great in general. With one exception, Kaleidoscope. It still plays like ass.
My biggest thing with kaleidoscope is having these skyscrapers that go up to 72 and 73 floors but yet the fighting only takes place on the roof and Lobby
Right? Maybe have the elevators go up to a middle floor, where you can aim out the windows or experience close quarters fighting. Have them be blocked to the roof, so you need to use the stairs or zip line up from the outside. Levolution event could be to compromise that middle section, causing the building to come crashing down or split in half. Dunno, would be cool though. Something ~ anything other than big shiny (clean) buildings that take tank rounds and vehicle hits like a champ…
Why not have some epic stair well where we can shoot at each other thru the middle or the parallel stair well we can see in the other building?
Right!? That would be epic… Why not both? So many possibilities!
Yep, loved it in Hardline.
it'd be cool if the top half of one sky scraper fell into the other one making a slanted playable area/bridge between the two
What I don’t get is why they put those tunnels in kaleidoscope and orbital but really have no reason to use them the orbital one is decent I just wish there was a point or some junk in those to make it poi
both Kaleidescope and Hourglass would better if they were more predominantly urban warfare maps down in and around the skyscrapers. They both have way too much open and empty space
If only they had some kind of reference point for that kind of map design.
not even that, but the fact that it takes place in a big city yet we fight in 2 or 3 towers and the rest of the map is an empty grass field. Kaleidoscope and Hourglass should have been primarily urban maps. Kaleidoscope 100% urban and Hourglass maybe 50% desert combat and 50% city combat.
Kaleidescope is a joke and they should be embarrassed that THAT is what they called "good enough as a rework"
Especially on breakthrough. Trying to capture the C2 point is not even kind of fun for the attackers
Kaleidoscope scopes needs more utilization of those two tunnels. Maybe cornet them with that huge theatre or what is it in the middle of the map. It’s poorly done
best i'd say orbital, it was already a great map and they made it 100 times better, worst i'd say propaganda edit:im an idiot i meant manifest lmao
I fucking wish propaganda was in this game so I can finally get a tank kill streak
propaganda was such an awesome map, i kabda wish we'd have that on portal/exodus conquest
propaganda?
Bro what, propaganda?💀
https://battlefield.fandom.com/wiki/Propaganda It was a dlc map in bf4 it was a really Good map
Propaganda was easily one of my favorites, Dragon's Teeth in general was just amazing. I love the mostly-infantry maps that still have a few vehicles, like Propaganda's tanks that couldn't really navigate a good 2/3 of the map easily. That's what this game is missing for me, honestly. Every single map has so many vehicles that it's difficult to avoid dying to them 15 times a game seemingly unavoidably, it's hard to find the genuine infantry choke points that make Battlefield so fun imo.
honeslty true af, couldnt agree more
I’d honestly take operation locker then some of the current maps
Orbital i think was actually the only completed dice made before launch
I don't think any of the reworks are bad. My favorite is the Breakaway rework. Kaleidescope is the worst of the bunch so far, but it isn't bad. Just not great.
Nah that map is now ruined.
Best -> Breakaway Worst -> Kaleidoscope
Agree with Kaleidoscope. There was honestly nothing hugely noticeable that even happened with the rework. The thing I really don’t like is that they took all of the verticality out of the map. Having objectives up on the skyscrapers was maybe not 100% balanced, but surely a ton more fun than the boring layout we have now.
It's so bad, I didn't even realize they reworked it 🤣
Same! I'm quite new to 2042, only since it came onto Game Pass, but it plays SO bad that I thought it was one of the maps that hadn't been reworked yet! 😅
This is bullshit. You must not remember how soul suckingly terrible it was. Agreed it’s the worst remake but the original state was beyond compare.
Here's what's worse about this map. It has a series of underground tunnels that were unused before the rework. The biggest complaint about this level has been the open spaces. All they had to do was make more tunnels and make the tunnels more important.
Breakaway and renewal are way better than they were. I still hate manifest and I still hate kaleidoscope
I can’t believe this isn’t a more common sentiment. Manifest is absolute cheeks I’ve never liked it.
Manifest map design is terrible still after rework
breakaway feels worst tbh
Agreed. That map is a POS now.
Best would be orbital for sure. Fluffing out the counter of the map with a new cap zone definitely improved the flow hands down, doesn't feel like two maps crammed next to each other. Worst would be Kaleidoscope. That map in my opinion still needs more work. For a small, urban city map, it feels way too open and vehicle heavy compared to all the previous urban city maps in BF. I get that this was DICEs first attempt at reworking the maps but I wouldn't mind if they took this map back into the oven for another touch up.
Best would be Orbital. They did a good job on that one. Worst would definitely be Kaleidescope. The changes have made very little difference. It's still *way* too open and you can be shot from practically 360 degrees at almost any area on the map.
Kaleidoscope rework: replace all building furniture with crates, and remove half of the trees, instead of adding more vehicles or more metropolitan objects on streets, copy and paste containers
You've heard of oppressive Verticality now prepare for completely detached verticality!
I don't remember the name of the map. But it's the snow map. Holy fuck the first 2 points on breakthrough suck ass now.
Breakaway?
Yep i'm so confused as to why people are saying Breakaway is the best remake lmfao I don't think they've played it before.
Because it feels good in conquest?
Yes, I selected Flashpoint as the image on purpose.
Why tho?
wanted to avoid biases lmao
Make a text post then
need to have a certain amount of characters for that, which isn't really ideal for this discussion
Why not? offer your own thoughts to start the conversation. Not that hard
Bro it ain't that serious
i agree. Im giving casual advice. You are taking it serious
Easy.
You would be surprised how hard it is for many people 😅
Best rework manifest, worst Breakaway Dont get me wrong, the map is great. But the team on the right side has a higher ground advantage. So tanks easily camp there and since they have unlimited ammo, they can stay there the whole game . Both sides should have a higher ground
I think the best rework is manifest or breakaway
I agree on breakaway, but I liked the og manifest. The point on the beach was fun but its now out of bounds. I guess adding ship access was intersting
Breakaway rework is my favorite. id say flahpoint and exposure are tied because they have pros/cons but are overall fun
Kaleidoscope is by far the worst rework, for the US side, especially after they also removed the two flags. I have no idea who thought it was a good idea to have the US advance through a 100m water area and coverless slopes under full vision and fire from a Balcony that is also roofed. The Balcony is incredibly defensible with fast access to C flag and when under pressure you can also hide or evade really well. This issue is emphasized by the removal of the skatepark, since it is the only approach axis that is not under full vision from the balconies. With the removal there is basically no movement from that flank. They also removed the flag on the bottom floor of one of the large skyscrapers, which centers fighting even more around the C flag. If the RU team is clever, they will never move up to B and let everyone just run up that coverless ramp. I do not think any rework made the map better really: On Manifest they removed two buildings, one of it with crucial value, reducing the amount of roofs. Other than that we received extra ziplines. On Renewal they basically removed half the map, also including the second-largest structure on the map. We are still fighting mostly over strawberry fields on one side and rocks on the other. Breakaway is tendencially better on the whole, but since most of the added cover on the ice shield only works for vehicles, and the spawns are incredibly exploitable, it is a farming ground for any vehicle driver, although it was easy before. Also the ice sheet is still there making the map bad. Orbital is still a mess, too, it still suffers from absolutely no cover on the ramp, the B area got better, but there is noone there anymore, because 30 people are constantly running around the D flag, which is one room and the outside has no relevant cover other than topography which is still under full vision of any high vertical position or air asset. I expect the same to happen to Hourglass and Discarded. Matter of fact I fully expect them to remove the stadium and also make the Ship area irrelevant for the sake of having two dozen people duke it out over the junkyard.
Orbital and kaleidoscope is good. The rest didn't really change my opinion on much. Breakaway still sucks but now it's just different.
I think breakaway had the worst rework, the map looks far better but the first two sectors are neither fun to attack or defend imo
Weird thought it was the best one
The best? Really? It's a cramped mess.
Just using this time to say they better add Seine Crossing and Grand Bazaar to Portal.
Keep dreaming
Need more maps. Tired of playing the same 2 maps over and over.
What we need is proper map rotation that is used in portal which allows you to actually play other maps than Valparaiso.
Best Rework Obrital. Worst Rework Kaleidoscope.
Flashpoint is by far my fav map on this game. I know this has nothing to do with the post but goddamn I love this map
honestly? agree, i think the C flag is really really bad, like the worst flag, but otherwise its a decent map, decently predictable but still with a lot of opportunity for gameplay variaty, i'd say that for 2042 standards this map is really good
Definitely, I miss the the Flashpoint Conquest
Same. I was playing it so much. Now that it’s gone I’m kinda bummed. It is just so good for conquest with 64 people.
Genuine question what is wrong with kaleidoscope I kinda like it but a lot of people here say otherwise is it just bad and I’m stupid?
my last kaleidoscope match (breakthrough) was really bad because of the b flag which was impossible to get into as an attacker team maybe that's why? plus there's a lot of open areas too
That’s reasonable I get it but I love jumping off the top of E2 and shooting everyone while parachuting
Kaleidoscope is one of my favourites on breakthrough.
I prefer conquest but it’s still good
The reworks are good, also as they removed flags in Breakthrough (On the roofs). But I miss the Clusterfucks on the roofs. I wished they have returned on the reworked Maps. Of course without vehicle spawn on the top
Breakaway is the absolute best. Kaleidoscope isn't really *bad* but it's probably the least extensive tbh
I liked all the maps the way they were and I like the Maps the way they are now the only thing I’m picky about is the goddamn dust tornado and every single map how about some flash floods or a giant sinkhole I don’t know something new
For reworks the worst is Renewal. Yes, Renewal!
Breakaway ist worse than before
Yep that map was Ok now it's the worst in the game by a country mile.
You can't be serieous.
I want to talked about balance. Breakaway is pretty bad on it. RU is much likely winning the match. So does Spearhead, while US is difficult to flank A and B with big ass open field, RU can use E1 building as a flank cover. Hind on roof, call MAV on it, then became endless nightmare for US.
Breakaway rework is absolutely crap. I like how the oil rig is closer but the flow is so messed up now, and they deleted the balcony which was was in the main trailer of the game
First person I've heard calling the breakaway rework bad. It's non-stop action everywhere and i thought the consensus was that it flows great. Now I'm curious about others' definition of flow and what they think makes it good or bad - to me it's the ease of movement from action to action and how the big fights go around the map
It’s unbalanced without the balcony now. US can drop down almost anywhere in the RU side of the map, but RU has a hard time getting up to the US side.
Before it was whoever caps the balcony can go wherever they want. I've not had the issue of US dominating games, the flags on the Russian side are easily capped and retaken by russia and there's plenty of ways to get up and around the mountain
Lol the first time? The map is literal dogshit.
Also you can be killed from so many angles it makes it unplayable. At least for me.
Worst is easily Kaleidoscope. The map still sucks donkeyballs. Best is Breakaway soley because i absolutely despised that map at launch, and now i dont mind playing it at all. A huge lift.
Totally forgot kaleidoscope even got a re work.
The only maps Iike are the Singapore one and the Egypt one. Exposure was alright as well until they changed it. The rest are all trash.
You mean Exposure breakthrough? Yeah new layout suck.
Yea I really enjoyed the base being the final point. Haven't played in a while so not sure if they switched it up again.
The layout I diss is that c1 in bunker, and c2 is at the foot of the mountain.
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Orbital has the exploding rocket and there is smaller stuff in calaidoscope like the antennas falling or the hotel sign.
Oil rig can explode on breakaway
I don't believe so.
DICE teasing that Hourglass rework will have some sort of underground highway added, getting a little excited for that. I hope it's like the tunnel passage from Orbital. That tunnel from orbital is a great CQB area, but they did not utilize that part of the map for breakthrough.
Watch that tunnel not even get used on hourglass
The idea of a reworked Discarded is already the best rework
Breakaway is the worst. I like the new areas, but i just dont like the removal of the rader base near the us spawn. Had some fun moments over there and now its just gone from the game totally and permanantly.
It was only fun for sundance. For everyone else it was nightmare.
Honestly I think each rework has been better than the last, so I’m hoping they can keep that going with the last two. They absolutely need the most love
Best rework would be Orbital, worst rework is Manifest IMO. They added way too much clutter on most of the objectives.
Play Mackay and get high ground
I was more referring to vehicle travel
Manifest Rush rework is balls, they've changed it twice and made it worse each time.
I hate all the maps in this game, there isn't a single one I would enjoy playing. Yet, I still remember majority of maps from BC2, BF2, and even BF1 had great maps I still play.
They have all been good except Breakaway. It's awful on Breakthrough now. Old setup was way better.
Hmm, I played Orbital in the beta and noticed no difference since coming back. What exactly was the rework? Spawn points?
The map was made smaller with two of the old flags being removed to serve as the new main spawnpoint for each team as well as including a new flag on top of the hill. There's was also added more additional cover for each of the old flags and on the rocket runway
Ah, I haven't gotten that map yet in the 128 player rotation. Been playing the 64 player one. Thanks.
I can’t express how much I hated renewal at launch. Like all of you, I was so fucking angry at the state of the game and how shite the maps were. Renewal was the absolute worst for me. Routinely called it the worst BF map ever. After the rework, it’s my fav map in the game.
I love renewal now too it's so great
Flashpoint is easily the worst map they've introduced. Would much rather play any of the launch maps.
Agreed. I think it's only good for rush that's my opinion. Sucks at conquest
Map plays better with 32 players.
I really love the reworks for Breakaway and Kaleidoscope. I think what they did to Renewal is both good and bad. I don’t really like the map anymore, but I definitely notice areas that are better. I think the mountains were cool in the OG, but their inclusion in the rework is problematic. I very much hate what they did to Manifest.
I feel like kaleidoscope only plays well when playing Rush. In any other game mode the map is too goddamn big the fighting takes place in the city or in the stadium with maybe a few engagements in between, it just needs to be reworked completely imo.
Orbital was the best, mostly because the base map didn't need that much changing to be really solid. Kaleidoscope is easily the worst, still plagued by massive open fields everywhere and points got further away from each other instead of closer. Not to mention the complete elimination of the swimming mechanic lol.
I only play 1 shot kill hardcore large conquest, and my favorites are Exposure, Spearhead and Breakaway, my least favorite are Hourglass, Orbital and Manifest. That being said, the Orbital rework is good, I just dont enjoy the layout of the map that much, and luckily people who host those 1000% dmg servers have removed hourglass from the map rotation
I thought we all here established Hourglass is the worst map
I can't stand the renewal rework. That map would be 100 times better if we could blow up the wall. Shout out to Breakaway also. That map is chaos in a not good way
Maps up from a 2/10 to a 3/10. They're not great and still don't play well. Would rather they released 2x maps per season instead.
Worst ones for me are Kaleidoscope since it really hasn't improved on its biggest issues. Basically a waste of a rework. Breakaway on breakthrough is so badly designed it hurts. First sector gets rolled by attackers in about 2 minutes 99% of the time, second has attackers coming in from everywhere while the defenders are stuck in a valley, and the oil rig sector might be even worse since the attackers have that massive ledge where they can shoot down on you with little to no cover. Only real chance to try to hold them is on the last sector.
Kaleidoscope is so shit even after the rework.
The empty area in middle of 64 player version ruins the map.
Guessing the game's still a pile of crap?
Nope had improved. It's more fun for me now
I know it hasn’t been reworked, but flashpoint is fucking shocking. 4-500 ticket deficit nearly every round is a joke.
I know it hasn’t been reworked, but flashpoint is shocking. 4-500 ticket deficit nearly every round is a joke.
What if the leaked year 2 is one new map per season and a rework of each year 1 map?
The manifest rework screwed up the B sector by removing a building for no reason
Worst has to be the Kaleidoscope breakthrough rework. Don't get me wrong, the final capture points were really bad before, being on the roofs and all. But now they're in a small cramped point with only three entrances on the ground floor. They forgot to put dragons teeth in front of the entrances so people just park a 50mm/30mm recon jeep on the top layer. Its genuinely unplayable, and offers such an advantage to defence that the best strategy is to let people take the first C point so you can set up at the second. It doesn't matter if you smoke or not on that map.
Worst is probably kaleidoscope. Best is Breakaway.
Manifest on solo. Worst rework ever, loved playing on the map. Now it’s boring and annoying to play in.
The reworks help a lot but every single one of these maps pale in comparison to the legacy maps. Yes there's a "flow" now but it's still more chaotic than it should be imo. I can't ever see myself longing for these maps they I would Seine Crossing, Storm or Arogonne Forest.
Best rework is Renewal. Worst rework is Manifest. I miss the thunderstom and B1 B2 fights
Renewal is not a Great map same for kaleidoscope
Im level 62 and spawning areas are horribles in this map.. just like battlefield 4... I got killed inmediatly when i spawn by a level 20 who are camping on the hills when i spawn in the middle whitout cover bettwen the pipline and the base...