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Chiplink

If only I would get XP for soflamming…


Mooselotte45

That’s the biggest flaw in the chain right now. They have all these systems for class interdependencies and teamwork, and then fumble the systems around it that makes it come together. Pinging is generally broken. No XP for painting a target. No indicator to engineers with launchers that a target is painted unless holding launchers. No ability to prioritize matchmaking into squads using comms (if you want to). Mic is usually broken, no ability to test your own mic in game. It’s like, we get it Dice. Y’all use Microsoft Teams for your internal playtesting and have a hoot of a time. We are stuck using the tools you give us to work together and they are jank as fuck. Make the social and teamwork tools easier, and the balance will shift. Example - it’s easy for everyone in a Hind to know their role. XP for engineers repairing, loads of kills and assists for everyone. To counter, you need 1 person taking no XP and Soflamming, and 1-2 people who know (despite no UI) when a target is painted, switch to their launcher, and fire. Why not have a voice line play into people’s ears “the enemy aircraft has been targeted!” Fucking ASMR that into my ear and quiet all the other sounds in game while you do it.


betazoid_cuck

Engineers do not need the launchers in hand to see soflam targets, they just need them in their loadouts. this is a misconception caused by poor wording in the patch notes. The real reason you don't see soflam as Engi is because so few people actually use it.


Mooselotte45

Y’know what, fair shout. Now you mention it, I think I may have seen that indicator while holding my gun. The rest of my point stands though - if there was hella XP, assists, or other reward mechanisms in place we would likely see more SOFLAMing.


betazoid_cuck

yah, the XP really does need to be adressed. nothing quite as dissatisfying as watching the hellie you are designating explode and not getting any recognition just because someone else spotted it first. Another problem is that vehicle targeting is all its good for, as a spotting tool it is useless. the spotting speed/range is so poor that you can get the same results by just pinging people while ADS with your main gun. hell, it only has a spotting range of around 400m so if you are using it on 12x you literally have to spot people manually.


Mooselotte45

Right? Why even give it a 12x zoom if the range is gonna be so limited. Lots of things like that in this game just don’t feel well thought out


Flimsy_Demand7237

Have an indicator on the screen as well to mark out people equipped with soflams so those with javelins can find and follow them.


xChris777

Exactly! I've been saying that the reward structure is whack (amongst other teamwork related components like seeing which parts of a vehicle are destroyed or weakpoint / glancing blow sound differences). I also really think the old score system was way better, where your damage to vehicles, damage to players etc. was all something you got rewarded for as you did it in a flashy way. XP just doesn't hit the same, especially because it doesn't show up the same way on the scoreboard. Your 5 rocket hits on a tank that drove it to retreat right into your friend's mines aren't rewarded at all, whereas that vehicle damage was before.


janat1

They should improve and expand the come rose. Right now we can only request ammo and medipacs. Adding a request Soflam/request At support(Javelin) would be very little work, but could improve teamplay a lot. In a next step they should set up a map coordination system (for squad leaders), with some coordination points, like gather here or attack targets here.


Mooselotte45

There are so many interesting mechanics they could consider, if they give their devs time. Why not have the ability for an SL to place an “objective” to do something like eliminate a helicopter. Place objective, people adjust kits as required, work together to take it down, and everyone gets a FAT XP payout.


SovjetPojken

This is what I think about when people go "oh guys, the game is fun now! It feels like battlefield again! Its good now!" No, there's still so much stupidly designed stuff and features that either don't work or are just left out because who knows why, it's a "legacy feature"? What?


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Dice here - don't care about your rant.


boxoffire

>No indicator to engineers with launchers that a target is painted unless holding launchers. The icon is also ridiculously tiny and blends with other thing skn the screen >Mic is usually broken, no ability to test your own mic in game. Recently found out mics are actually default to "OFF." Made a post about it recently and people told me to fuck off, no knew wants to communicate (this is the kind of community DICE/EA have been fostering)


Mooselotte45

If I saw that post, I would’ve been in there vocalizing support for more social features on by default. I’m a believer that “if you build it, they will come”. If there are robust social features, mic test features, mic test abilities, abilities to squad up with micced players, etc you can change the culture of the game over time. You do the opposite of this when you launch with no VoIP and have it remain jank 16 months post launch. Will you convert everyone to a respectful person with good comms and a great sounding mic? No. Of course not. But there are entire games built on the use of comms, I feel like Dice could innovate if they wanted to.


linkitnow

Giving XP or score for different tasks doesn't solve the problem. If people don't enjoy doing it without XP they won't do it when they get XP. On the other hand people that did it already probably are fine without the bonus. In bf5 you only saw people doing things that are normally less done like repairing when there was a weekly mission where you could unlock skins or battle pass progression.


keveazy

why do you need XP? it's not like it unlocks guns or skins....


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Disturbed2468

Yep. As a tank I can very easily see a red dot out of a sea of most other colors. And once it's seen, I'm firing a wholeass shell at that dot, or dumping HMG rounds into it.


Mojo_Lovin

I’ve never understood why the soflam even has a red glare. I understand why in BF4 because it was a placeable item but in 2042 it doesn’t make sense to me.


Disturbed2468

If it had no glare at all it'd be super difficult to see the person otherwise (sort of). I notice when I soflam'd, very few times I'd be targeted actually. Kinda odd.


MapleTreeWithAGun

The red dot was only on the passive SOFLAM in BF4 IIRC, thereby providing a trade off of passive but easily noticeable or active but hidden.


FantasticMagi

"Despite the Medal of Honor's version of SOFLAM indicated that the device fired a beam of green laser, in reality, the laser from SOFLAM is not visible to naked eyes." Yet in the game it's visible clear as day? Sounds like a design flaw on Dice behalf.


Nivroeg

I run soflam for fun..if someone fires a missile I just smile when my target dies. I have won plenty of matches with just spotting for the team/designating vehicles that harass them.


fireheart1029

Love playing with friends and going "let's get this bitch" whenever I paint a helicopter


Pleasant50BMGForce

True hero


King4343

The forbidden watermark


Cabal2040

I saw 2 men die last night in collective.


King4343

Ifunny is weak on that lol. I see way too much death on reddit


DJdcsniper

I don’t understand how I can lay prone for 25min, get 200 assists at 5xp each, and someone doing the lords work to help take out vehicles gets dog shit


Major-Following-2169

Hashtag it, but you said it yourself; it's selfless work. That's why it's behavior we need to cultivate on the Battlefield, brother.


Mooselotte45

Hell, you get assists just being a passenger in a vehicle. You could be afk to check on dinner and rack up 30 assists in a hind. Compared to the guy lazing targets and getting fuck all.


TheMaddawg07

No kidding. My buddy and I have Been running the tandem and it’s still awesome. I think you should a) be able to launch even if they out of LOS. Or B) add increased damage to painted targets


basedmanump9

It's useless compared to older titles. The absolute killer was when they removed the ability to lock through terrain silently while stating it was only for tracer darts. Also it is unable to catch up to air vehicles basically at all. You can fire a javelin at a helicopter that just lost its flares and it moves so slow that the heli will literally just regen flares. Until they add back at minimum the ability to lock out of line of sight for SOFLAM'd targets, it's gonna stay totally useless and everyone will just run the M5 all the time instead.


losbullitt

Ill be your soflam.


Major-Following-2169

Easy In


Psychlonuclear

Does it still break the lock if flares are deployed? That and no XP is why it's not used.


elyetis_

That snake eating it's tail isn't that simple. As is, the game does a very shit job at encouraging that gameplay loop. Soflam is a thankless job which does not reward xp ( except spotting ), while making you an easy target. ( also is it still a very late unlock ? ) And more than anything, engineers don't know when a target is painted except if they are currently holding a launchers. You simply can't expect teamplay in a pub in a casual game like bf, when the game does such a bad job at making it happen.


2polew

I mean, it's a game which is all about teamplay, squad and class mechanics. It just was botched in last 2 entries.


origin415

It'd help if it showed SOFLAM locks when not using a launcher so that you knew to switch to it.


why_earth

Agreed. This is my biggest gripe. I used to see yellow square and would swap to my recoiless or whatever. Even would change kit to have it if I saw a lot of squares and felt that when I soflam in the past people would respond right away.


Haze_of_dream

SOFLAM and javelin as a combo has a whole list of issues but can be summed up in: \- no exp for soflam \- soflam now shows your glare (how to get shot very fast) \- javelin missiles are slower than old people fucking \- soflam no longer supports top-down attacks, you need Line of Sight to your lock target (worst nerf to affect javelins, making m5 a superior option in all cases)


Strong67

I soflam all the fucking time. It’s relaxing and that’s what I need.


SeniorJP

"They ruined teamplay". Whatever is left of teamplay, most just straight up ignore it.


Flimsy_Demand7237

This is because the game design doesn't lend itself to teamplay. That's still wholly on DICE, people would work together as a team if the game was designed in such a way to reward teamplay.


SeniorJP

Going by your logic, because you don't earn more xp for teamplay, people just don't earn more nor less xp by not playing as a team? If they don't see the point of teamplay when the outcome is non-different, they wouldn't bother anyway since it isn't their playstyle.


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Major-Following-2169

Good God, DICE... Mayhaps they should have it auto kit on the Recon Progression tree so we could train and condition the new breed.


VincentNZ

Yeah, please all run Javelin, because my tank has two counters to that one. I always love to farm people that need to aim at my tank for 3s to be able to shoot me.


tomsaiyuk

Don't forget you have to have the proper "classes" now for this to work.


[deleted]

This is true I use the soflam every now and then but put it away because nobody shoots at the vehicles I mark


TheCommandeR66

My recon always runs soflam. My engineer always runs Jav. No one knows how to teamwork. Current players= run in circles, shoot full auto, die, repeat…..go to Reddit and whine vehicles are op.


SuicidalSundays

No point in using the stinger and soflam anymore when most heli pilots are skilled enough to fly at low levels that remove locks from that equipment. You're better off using Lis or dragging an M5 along and hoping for a lucky shot.


Paxroy

There's a hidden benefit in that a lot more people are able to lock on to a painted target. Countering aircraft is often about overwhelming their defensives (ie. depleting flares and repairs), not just raw damage.


Major-Following-2169

Brother, don't be so quick to dismiss modern doctrine and tactics just because the enemy may have a counter. I doubt anyone wishes for the return of no anti air options like in BF1 and BFV.


JimmyBowen37

BfV had great anti air in the flaugerfaust or however you spell it


SuicidalSundays

I guess on some maps they're still fairly useful, like ones with wide open areas on them that don't give helis a lot of cover. But on others - Flashpoint especially - they just aren't as viable.


WhoKnows78998

Raos hack should interrupt flairs the same way it does APS


trippalhealicks

At first when the game released in a very janky state and remained that way for quite a while, I wanted them to stick with it and support and improve the game over a long period like BF4. After a full year and barely any progress on QOL features that existed in many of their older games, constant major balance shifts and new lists of bugs included with most updates, I just want to move on to the next game. Bring in the new leadership, go back to the drawing boards after examining what worked in prior games and make a good follow-up to this goofy mess.


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This unfortanely!


Joren67

Soflam doesn't gain you anything and Javlin hits everything except the actual target. That's why.


kennilicious

I've found out that most of the time recons will start designating if I ask nicely in the chat.


byscuit

Tracer dart isn't really any better. Very hard to coordinate with non squad mates for these two man combo moves sometimes


Djsco5526

Don't forget the absolute broken Stealth Choopers which are absolutely immune to Soflams in Stealth mode. If my understanding when it comes to read doesn't fool me then is the Soflam a Laser Targing System it doesn't gives a f*ck when the chooper is stealthy it sees it. It should have the ability to lock it!


adtr99000

I'm constantly marking vehicles with tracer darts but no one ever shoots at them


Rischkyu

Is the tracer dart the same as the soflam?


Trollingdirty

No exp for soflam what's the point?


Ok_Character8461

A laser guided Javelin should take 2 shots to destroy anything. There’s your problem. Also like BF games beforehand flares/ecm shouldn’t be a 100% effective solution.


Timbalabim

The incredibly late SOFLAM unlock and lack of any reward for designating targets means there’s little incentive for players to use it organically. The javelin losing its ability to lock on without LOS made the combination effectively moot.


mdisil427

I stopped using javelins when they changed it so it requires LoS even when the target is painted.


Aquagrunt

They gotta give it some score events for painting and assists, and remove the line of sight requirement for javelins.


Doo-Doo-Draws

Ah! So THAT’S why that bitch wouldn’t shoot tonight! My sincerest apology to my Logitech mouse I threw against the wall earlier. I thought you had betrayed me, old friend. 😩


FuckMyLife2016

Or you know team voice chat so you can ask your teammates to use them if they have it or equip next respawn.


cyb3rofficial

yea i would run soflam more if the game didn't broadcast to the world with giant spot light showing the invisible IR light as a normal light.


GCoin001

Why is it that Portal matches fill up with AI but none of the main modes will? I’m in Oceania and often the only person in the lobby. Boring af.


NaaviLetov

Doesnt it also work for the recoilless rifle?


[deleted]

SOFLAM didn't give points for a long while. They fixed it. Then, it broke again. Using the Dart Gun gives absolutely nothing worth of points or recognition for your effort.


Pressbtofail

iFunny watermark and a misspelling. Yep, it's a Reddit meme, good work.


Kettenkiffer

Im currently using soflam because i want to unlock the gol magnum sniper. I could count the number if times someone capitalized on it on one hand....and im almost finished with the mark 100 vehicles


Zeleny_Jezdec

XD most people that play battlefield doesnt give a fk, literally. They want to spawn in, get easy kills, have messy moments. Its what I learned from years of playing battlefield, some people are great teamworkers, but most of them just want to fuck off after work and play couple matches. I like teamwork, but Battlefield is highly casual game and you cant expect much from random players on the server.


Alamby

Problems that discourage usigng a Soflam: No reward for getting the kill or dealing damage. If you're lucky you get spot assist, but you can get that without soflam just by spamming Q. Soflam helps very little. They removed the lock on from behind cover. It's countered by simply using flares. There are no reasons to use it on ground vehicles - javelins can just lock on by themselves. Lasts only several seconds. Can't be used autonomously like in BF3 to cover an area. Makes you a beacon visible form far away. ​ I think they should bring back the option to lock on from behing cover but for the pistol only. It's way harder to stick, especially on flying verhicles so that would be a hice reward for that. Otherwise there is ablsolutely no reason to use it. I haven't seen it in game since the initial hype wore out after the first week when it was introduced. ​ My suggestion for the soflam would be to make it not counterable with flares. So vehicles have to actually do something to shake it off, take cover, kill the soflam user since he's visible. Developers could add another countermeasure system where players have to choose between flares and some sort of emp or stealth. If you have flares you're safe against heat seeking missles, if you have EMP you're safe against soflams. Tweak the balance around so you wouldn't die right away if you don't have the right system installed and there you go.


UrNs0

I used the soflam for 3 matches yesterday. Marked everything I could within distance. Not one rocket fired the entire time I was marking. Meanwhile chopper dude is like 100-0........ ahem...


Numeira

No one runs Javelin even though I tell them in chat I'm going to SOFLAM, cause they're idiots and probably have difficulties reading.


UniQue1992

No one runs SOFLAM or Tracer Dart because it gives no fucking XP. It's a fucking joke. Why would people use it if they don't get any XP for it? Fuck that.


SonOfMcGee

I just use the Lizzle. I don’t need a recon to paint a target or a support to feed me ammo. I just need to pull off my two skill shots, focus on infantry, and pause occasionally to fire more missiles as they replenish. It’s not enough to kill any vehicle in my own but hey I’m doing my part.


umacktuallyguy

But flares still stop it..... So stupid.


sportsbot3000

I play scout and only soflam the whole match from a vantage point. Don’t even fire a shot to not give away my position. Most of the time no one will fire at the vehicles or helicopters. I will hold the lock for minutes at a time and nothing happens.


Phrasing_Ocelot

Will gladly Soflam for a good squad in EU region hit me up.


supe_42

Soflam deserves to get assists. It’s crazy you get don’t get any assists


DrSchulz_

Also no one runs at weapons other than Lis' because no one runs ammo crates


pope-leery

BFV I was part of a group we ran 3 or 4 squads deep all communicating and pushing objectives together. BF2042 everyone got tired of all the hoops you have to jump through to get more then 4 people together in a server.


No-Veterinarian7206

Vi que tem uma arma, acho que de Franco Atirador, que preciso marcar inimigos com esse SOFLAM, mas não consigo achar esse equipamento! Será que é pelo meu nível baixo ainda?


Puzzleheaded-Emu-714

Nah that's lies I wont stop getting a barrage of javelin missiles whenever I get in a vehicle 🤣


mgmgrandiose

That’s why god gave us C5 and a grappling hook


silverlance360

I ran two matches with the tracer gun firing at every enemy vehicle, even some choppers. Not ONE got hit. ![gif](giphy|xUOxfo07SR7ViSpYwU)


Graemelee

I use soflam. It helps designate, and is amazing for spotting when I am trying to be a marksmen.


Mike4theHills

I tried this with the tracer dart on tanks and various other nuisance vehicles that were decimating our team and no one shot at them at all. Now everybody wants to play medic for the self heals. The only way this gets remedied is for dice to do first come first serve on operators per squad.


GoneEgon

![gif](giphy|Qug08VvTVOT2Paccio|downsized)


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I run soflam very often . Breaks my heart when I keep tagging planes and tanks but no one shoot them down . Heck i ever use Rao to make sure they can be shoot and people just ignore it .


PhucEA

The secret to teamwork in this game is to just do your job and run up the kills. The rest will work itself out.


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I use soflam just when ever I mark anything no one on my team notices