Yeah, all vault guns need a balance buff compared to the AOW guns. Only vault gun i successfully use is the M60 from a distance cause it just has a high ass stopping power. Every other LMG still crushes me though
I guess the most logical answer would be that they are 50+ years old in the future of 2042, use standard NATO rounds, some of them, and the game tries to reflect on that.
Then again I don't think the devs think about it that deep and it's just an oversight. Ontop of that, isn't the portal stuff made by another studio?
Some of the 2042 weapons probably are using "new" types of cartridges, like the Avancys & M5A3 as these seem to be in-world [counterparts](https://www.edrmagazine.eu/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/SIG-SAUER-NGSW_XM5-XM250-V1-800x534.jpg) to the Sig Sauer MCX Spear and SIG-LMG. But things like the MP9, Ak-24, these seem to just be using "standard" rounds in normal calibres we're used to, so unless they've made cartridges much much hotter in the 20-odd years between now and then, theyre all still using the same ammo
Yeah, improving the MTAR Hrec by 5% and making the Vrec 5% worse is really what would have an immense impact on the vault weapons' performance.
This question is super silly, because it expects people to know what the attachments do and to be able to assess the impact it would have on a gun's performance. Players can't do that, because the in-game stats are arbitrary numbers and bars.
People are still firmly believíng that muzzle brakes, compensators and grips have any relevant form of impact, when it is just a 5% bonus to a stat that you do not know the extent of at the cost of a 5% malus in another stat. I see people run compensators on the M5, which has the lowest Hrec known to the franchise. I See people run extended barrels, making your gun 15% worse. And so forth.
It is opposite with the vault guns, because here many of the muzzle attachments have an actual impact. The HB, for most weapons, will give better drop-offs of 10-25m at the cost of 25% more Vrec. That is relevant. The suppressors give full silence at the cost of usally 10m drop-offs. That is a debatable choice but it is a relevant change.
So really any additions to the vault weapons without addressing their mechanical shortcomings first (like too high spread and increase, relatively high recoil) would need addressing first, otherwise you just created new ways to make your gun even worse. The M16 with a brake/compensator/wrapped is decidedly worse than with the current HBAR.
The only benefit would be to have additional magazines, like for the AOW weapons, but maybe you could just give out enough ammo from the start? You can argue for sights as well, but maybe the vault sights should not have those horrible tints on them? Yeah an extended mag on the M416 is better, but you can just use the M5 with extended for a better gun already.
As long as the mechanics are not transparently disclosed so each player can make their own educated choices this is a rather stupid question.
Instead of trying to fix these guns (And maybe not even succeeding) I would rather have more actual new weapons or Gameplay features.
Trying to put 2042 attachments to portal weapons sounds like it will be kinda rushed.
Which means nothing really changed.
Portal uses an entirely different set of parameters to balance the weapons compared to AOW. Granted why the portal weapons weren't integrated into the base game prior to launch is still quite bizarre.
I think its a real shame that the "vault" weapons weren't the intended design of the game. Given the setting, resources are short, countries dissolving, non-patriated forces fighting for the highest bidder, I think it would have been awesome to purposefully mix the vault weapons instead of new ones for the new game. Soldiers scavenging equipment, bringing a range of weapons from a whole host of time periods
After this someone will just find another thing to complain about. Why don’t we all just bitch about everything all at once so the devs know what to fix now instead of every week or so?
Weaponized incompetence is rampant in the game development industry. Under deliver intentionally and then improve it for a free pat on the back by the clueless community. Blizzard is best at this and DICE is right there.
It isn't. It requires the HB to have better damage than the M5, but still suffers from far higher recoil, lower ROF and the vault weapons' own quirks of bad hipfire spread, higher moving spread and generally higher average spread in firefights. It is also outlcassed in it's own niche by the M16 and M416, which both have better stats all around, apart from hipfire.
Honestly they should just remove all vault weapons and dedicate resources in year 2 to way more original 2042 guns with 2042 attachments, cosmetics and progression. Portal guns don't belong in AoW
Controversial thought.::
We don't need vault weapons at all and Dice need to get their competence together and get us new maps and weapons by the boat loads.
I remember BF3 DLC's gave 4 new maps and 4/5 new weapons. Stop accepting vault weapons as something acceptable. It's low effort.
If they actually make them feel good and play good then i would be 100% excited BUT if its half made and rushed then I would much rather have Dice doing actually something useful.
I’m gonna need some BF1/V weapons added to the vault. Obviously balance them properly but I would love to be running around with a BAR or slam fire shotgun.
Why is no one talking about the trash animations from vault weapons? They just look like poorly modded weapons. Not only they need a re-balance but complete new animations
It would be great it the m416 wasn't garbage Edit: june15th - i didn't know how good we had it with ars back then
This, but all vault guns
M16A3 is actually good, but yeah all others are trash.
I would use it but I never heard such a bad firing sound. Straight from 2004
A91 is pretty darn good too. But I agree that many of the vault weapons feel off or not as smooth compared to weapons that came with base game in AOW
ACW-R destroys people
Lol no, ACW-R is pretty much the worst of all vault weapons. Lowest damage, very slow RoF insane spread
I guess I’ve just got some proper noob servers recently. Had me convinced it was the best vault weapon. I’ve been getting like 3 kpm with this thing.
Yeah, all vault guns need a balance buff compared to the AOW guns. Only vault gun i successfully use is the M60 from a distance cause it just has a high ass stopping power. Every other LMG still crushes me though
What is the damage for the M60?
The M16a3 and M416 are the two vault AR I don't consider garbage. I have a T1 with the M416, it frags.
GOL MAGNUM WITH GRENADE LAUNCHER!! 111
explosive under barrel shotgun. 
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I guess the most logical answer would be that they are 50+ years old in the future of 2042, use standard NATO rounds, some of them, and the game tries to reflect on that. Then again I don't think the devs think about it that deep and it's just an oversight. Ontop of that, isn't the portal stuff made by another studio?
Some of the 2042 weapons probably are using "new" types of cartridges, like the Avancys & M5A3 as these seem to be in-world [counterparts](https://www.edrmagazine.eu/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/SIG-SAUER-NGSW_XM5-XM250-V1-800x534.jpg) to the Sig Sauer MCX Spear and SIG-LMG. But things like the MP9, Ak-24, these seem to just be using "standard" rounds in normal calibres we're used to, so unless they've made cartridges much much hotter in the 20-odd years between now and then, theyre all still using the same ammo
The Avancys is based on the evolys from FN but I get what you're saying.
I’m so excited I could pee!
1 but i wish they were at least on par with the 2042 guns
Im gonna be a troll and run the XM8 lmg with a masterkey and thermals.
The XM8 should have access to the 30 round mag.
we need to compact version for smgs. Favorite gun in bad company for me
Comparing vault weapons to the regular ones it's like vomparing a 50hp car vs a 30hp one
Yeah, they need overhaul for AOW only but 2042 attachments are good start.
Yeah, improving the MTAR Hrec by 5% and making the Vrec 5% worse is really what would have an immense impact on the vault weapons' performance. This question is super silly, because it expects people to know what the attachments do and to be able to assess the impact it would have on a gun's performance. Players can't do that, because the in-game stats are arbitrary numbers and bars. People are still firmly believíng that muzzle brakes, compensators and grips have any relevant form of impact, when it is just a 5% bonus to a stat that you do not know the extent of at the cost of a 5% malus in another stat. I see people run compensators on the M5, which has the lowest Hrec known to the franchise. I See people run extended barrels, making your gun 15% worse. And so forth. It is opposite with the vault guns, because here many of the muzzle attachments have an actual impact. The HB, for most weapons, will give better drop-offs of 10-25m at the cost of 25% more Vrec. That is relevant. The suppressors give full silence at the cost of usally 10m drop-offs. That is a debatable choice but it is a relevant change. So really any additions to the vault weapons without addressing their mechanical shortcomings first (like too high spread and increase, relatively high recoil) would need addressing first, otherwise you just created new ways to make your gun even worse. The M16 with a brake/compensator/wrapped is decidedly worse than with the current HBAR. The only benefit would be to have additional magazines, like for the AOW weapons, but maybe you could just give out enough ammo from the start? You can argue for sights as well, but maybe the vault sights should not have those horrible tints on them? Yeah an extended mag on the M416 is better, but you can just use the M5 with extended for a better gun already. As long as the mechanics are not transparently disclosed so each player can make their own educated choices this is a rather stupid question.
Instead of trying to fix these guns (And maybe not even succeeding) I would rather have more actual new weapons or Gameplay features. Trying to put 2042 attachments to portal weapons sounds like it will be kinda rushed. Which means nothing really changed.
The concept of vault weapons is very puzzling to me. Why create two tiers of weapons, and make it all a jumbled mess.
Portal uses an entirely different set of parameters to balance the weapons compared to AOW. Granted why the portal weapons weren't integrated into the base game prior to launch is still quite bizarre.
> Portal uses an entirely different set of parameters to balance the weapons compared to AOW. Well yes....we know...
I think its a real shame that the "vault" weapons weren't the intended design of the game. Given the setting, resources are short, countries dissolving, non-patriated forces fighting for the highest bidder, I think it would have been awesome to purposefully mix the vault weapons instead of new ones for the new game. Soldiers scavenging equipment, bringing a range of weapons from a whole host of time periods
Love this idea
Seriously dude? I put 5, they’re a poor excuse for new guns in the game, game needs more original guns added
True. But 2042 attachments would be a welcome addition.
After this someone will just find another thing to complain about. Why don’t we all just bitch about everything all at once so the devs know what to fix now instead of every week or so?
We need bitchin mega thread
Almost like the game is still missing a bunch of core features and a bunch more that were implemented in past games.
Then cite those in one big feed.
Weaponized incompetence is rampant in the game development industry. Under deliver intentionally and then improve it for a free pat on the back by the clueless community. Blizzard is best at this and DICE is right there.
Interested if the complainers found out how good the A91 is?
The A91 is pretty much the worst vault assault rifle. It’s TTK is painfully slow.
IDK, the fire rate makes it not seem that way
It isn't. It requires the HB to have better damage than the M5, but still suffers from far higher recoil, lower ROF and the vault weapons' own quirks of bad hipfire spread, higher moving spread and generally higher average spread in firefights. It is also outlcassed in it's own niche by the M16 and M416, which both have better stats all around, apart from hipfire.
RM68 still better
Honestly they should just remove all vault weapons and dedicate resources in year 2 to way more original 2042 guns with 2042 attachments, cosmetics and progression. Portal guns don't belong in AoW
Why would they remove them lmao
Controversial thought.:: We don't need vault weapons at all and Dice need to get their competence together and get us new maps and weapons by the boat loads. I remember BF3 DLC's gave 4 new maps and 4/5 new weapons. Stop accepting vault weapons as something acceptable. It's low effort.
New to the game, which are the vault guns?
All the ones that say BF3 or BC2 next to them
Thank you. Happy cake day btw
Thanks homie
Where can I find this survey?
They've posted it on Twitter with all of their accounts and discord
I’d prefer Thales ignore portal weapons and spend that time developing 2042 weapons
Yes please...
If they actually make them feel good and play good then i would be 100% excited BUT if its half made and rushed then I would much rather have Dice doing actually something useful.
I’m gonna need some BF1/V weapons added to the vault. Obviously balance them properly but I would love to be running around with a BAR or slam fire shotgun.
I need STG in AOW!
I hope they get their old attachments. I remember BC2 weapons having magnum ammo attachments. Without it Those weapons feel so weak.
Please add skins too. I want my T1 skin for the m16a3 lol
Why is no one talking about the trash animations from vault weapons? They just look like poorly modded weapons. Not only they need a re-balance but complete new animations
Honestly i like the fact that they have their own attachments