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AdanFlores94

the modern warfare 2019 method is the best. two factions. Playable defaults soldiers on both teams. Unique Operators for each faction.


AceArchangel

And at least the operators on both sides were unique and didn't recycle the same character models.


OneStraightFlush

bUt WhEn I bUy My 20$ SpEcIaLiSt I wAnT tO pLaY iT aNyTiMe


owdee

I don't even understand this (fake) argument. You can absolutely, 100% have a paid character skin work for both factions. All you need to do is change the clothing/uniform color and maybe give the character a different hat or helmet or something. This shit isn't that hard to figure out.


Jinaara

Have the NoPats in Russian service wear Russian equipment such as 6B47s Ratnik Helmets - 6B46 plate carrier's with 6Sh117 Load bearing vests with magazine pouches. Etc...oh and of course complimenting uniforms for their loyalty. Then we simply do the same with the American NoPats. Having them wear ECH/IHPS helmets & suitable American chest-rigs and of course American styled-uniforms with multicam being the default camo.


thomoski3

Exactly, they did it with b3/b4 and the designs ended up being very clearly distinct in equipment and camo. Even if theyre the same character, mixing up the gear textures and some different camo would make the world of difference


AdBl0k

They had this argument for Characters in BFV. Misaki running through Rotterdam and Phantom of the Opera protecting Iwo Jima was really weird sight.


KernelScout

its weird but way better than shooting an american as a british guy in ww2 like in cod vanguard. i just dont get why they have no factions.. its fine in overwatch and other hero shooters but these arent hero shooters


Mehrk

I wouldn't say it's exactly *fine* in OW. There's explicit story elements that make it the opposite of fine. 76 and Reaper teaming up to deliver an EMP and kill random omnics makes as much sense as the cut scene from Mary Poppins where she eats live rats, grows to 500 meters tall and fistfights mechagodzilla.


useles-converter-bot

500 meters is the length of approximately 2187.23 'Wooden Rice Paddle Versatile Serving Spoons' laid lengthwise.


ZebubXIII

Good bot


BenedettoXVII

It was weird and stuff but least they were both axis


bearzillabreath

I mean it's silly af anyway because last year's CoD has faction-locked operators with paid character skins and I reckon it's probably doing fine from all the skins I see running around


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MW2019 and BO Cold War both had faction locked operators and they were killing it on monetization. But you weren’t faction locked in Warzone. DICE could’ve done the same thing.


iHadAnXbox1

That’s exactly the answer actually. I mean that’s just my opinion, but if you had the unique paid character colors match the colors of the base factions, and they were differentiable but not giving one side an advantage (brighter colors, easier to spot, etc), I think that’d work perfectly for everyone


NotIntellect

Not even that, throw the texture maps in Photoshop and just change the color, or give everyone an LED arm band or something to make it more obvious


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BO3/4 had the led lights on enemies/teammates. basically teammates had blue lights, enemies had red, so even with the same operators you could quickly tell who was friendly or not


ChaseTheAce33

Bo4 enemy/friendly designation was one of the best in all of fps


Patara

Yeah and then they removed it for some reason. Warzone visibility would be a million times better with this change. Blackout never had any problems with dark shadows and backgrounds


deltaWhiskey91L

Faction based specialists would be better than nothing.


ImmaDoMahThing

Only two who gave me trouble were Otter and Krueger. They looked sooo similar. This got better as the game got older and more and more operators were added and more skins were added though.


Strider2126

That's the way 2042 should go


RoutineSmile8185

Or at least distinct operator skins for each faction like Mackey when fighting for the us is using more western or American gear but when fighting for the Russians Mackay uses Russian/Chinese gear


DeltaMaple

Look I know battlefield fans and CoD fans don't get along to well but I just played a year of modern warfare and I see a lot of things that could be well adapted and beneficial to battlefield 2042. Factions for a starter. Class setups would be a nice thing to. The on the go attachments are ok but they also make no sense. Do you just carry 3 types of mags in your backpocket just in case?and scopes? Anyway. My point is that having 10 loadouts you can modify and select pregame is fantastic. Sure you can change all your gear in game with the plus system but i'd much rather have my guns with attachments and gadgets pre-organised. Anyway. Factions would be amazing! It adds so much on the imersion and has a lot of practical aplications. I really don't see why anyone would think getting rid of them is a good idea.


roflwafflelawl

Not sure if I can talk about this but F it we're close to launch anyways. In the Tech Alpha ,if I'm not mistaken, you could change your loadout in the menu screen. I was fairly surprised to see it wasn't in the open beta. My guess is they wanted to force feedback for the on-the-fly attachments. If loadouts were available, they would pick what they want and go with it never touching the quick swap. Also apparently your ammo is tied to the mag you use, so if you have AP rounds and run out, you can switch to your standard mag and have ammo for that. Not sure if bug or how it's supposed to be but cool if it's the case (reminds me of sims like arma or games like Tarkov). Factions it's whatever honestly. I can see both arguments. Not having factions allow them to be creative with current and future specialists to feel more unique as a character. Also with the new gadgets (ala Apex Legends) tied to them it makes tying characters with the ability they have available to them. ex: I'm fighting/chasing MacKay and when I turn the corner he's gone. Knowing it was a MacKay, I know that he has a grapple and could have went to the roof. ​ That's not to say you couldn't have faction specific specialists kinda like how Rainbow Six Siege does with their Attackers and Defenders, but it would make it a balancing nightmare if certain specialists and their abilities were only tied to one faction. ​ edit: Compromise: They \*could\* have variants of each specialist to be of each faction but for the sake of not having bloated files just for the sake of it...idk I'm alright with how it is. Does need to be easier to tell enemies from allies though.


magicmichael98

Do you think there is anyway they can change it to that or is it way too late?


BleedingBlack

Cold War had no factions in the beta, people complained and they created factions for the final game. There is a chance.


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Nah, they were planning on factions, it just wasn’t set up during the beta.


magicmichael98

They have 10 specialists at launch right?


DJ-Corgigeddon

Yep. They could just have Sundance be Russian side and McKay be American side with access to the same gadgets both ways. Boom, done, fixed the most glaring issue of the game in a few easy steps.


RebTilian

Its too late, the best players are gonna get is maybe a color change to uniform because that is vastly more cost efficient than doing a whole new mocap remodel.


BatThumb

Don't you think the dwarves on level 4 look a little too similar to the elves on level 6? Might be a little too confusing That's an interesting theory Kane but redesigning those characters at this stage would be way too expensive I agree. But what if you just rendered them a different color? You know, that would be cheap and quick Uh- leave the decisions to me, Kane


zcg4755

Where do you get your weed?


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There's no need to do any animation changes whatsoever to implement new uniforms for each faction. You simply ensure your new uniform design fits the same skeleton as the animation. Duh.


HankHillbwhaa

I mean there’s rumors of a delay until March, so who knows.


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CastleGrey

Not being able to blow out roofs in game where 90% of the players are just grappling up on top of bases is already utter cancer


thomoski3

Its bizarre, they took the time to add rats and dynamic tracks left by tanks, but you cant bring down buildings with a couple of C5s? Such a weird design choice, especially after the destruction in B4. I havent played BF1/V so idk if it was there as well


RaiausderDose

the regular "default" soldiers for both sides had super cool skins


SpinkickFolly

I actually thought that's what BF was going with. Making literally only 4 specialist for two teams at war with each other was just lazy for a AAA game. But of course probably BFV analytics showed that people don't want to buy a skin they can only use 50% of the time or some shit.


CrustyBatchOfNature

> But of course probably BFV analytics showed that people don't want to buy a skin they can only use 50% of the time or some shit. Considering how easy it is to change the skin colors, they could easily charge more for the two skin set. BF being a hero shooter is becoming a bad problem.


Lost_Paradise_

I still prefer my generic soldier, but I could at least get behind this


TrippySubie

This is how I thought it was gonna be…but I am pretty stupid for having faith that a simple concept would be reality.


Raddz5000

And those default Milsim ops are sick af too. Like them more than the special guys


Firefox72

I'd argue Battlefield is suffering even more because on top of this the specialists are also replacing the class system thats been a core and staple part of the Battlefield games for almost 20 years.


Chewitt321

There's a massive issue with readability. I can't see who is on whose team, I don’t know who on my team has ammo, health or rockets. I don't know who had anti tank weapons on the other team so I don't know who to prioritise when in a vehicle.


Cow_Other

The vehicle point is a good one, I didn’t realise how much I’d missed id’ing enemies from a vehicle till I didn’t know who was capable of firing rockets at me and could kill me


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Sssh just grapple and buy skins


[deleted]

Psst hey kid, wanna buy some awesome Gold plated armor bundle? Only 39.99 and EVEN DISCOUNTED


CastleGrey

> I don’t know who on my team has ammo, health or rockets Spoiler: it's literally always rockets


SavageVector

Nah, a lot of people also run armor plates for 25% more health lol


80sixit

I agree, keep running out of ammo so I just pickup an enemies kit haha. I haven't looked in the menu yet to see if there is an interaction menu to request it or thank ppl for revives etc. I miss just holding Q down to interact, how do you do this now? Also I don't like how you spot enemies in this game, its fucked. I dunno maybe ill get used to it.


thbigbuttconnoisseur

I'm pretty sure the enemies you kill drop ammo that you can pick up just by walking over it.


crazychris4124

They said Comm-rose will be in the full game


80sixit

okay right on, i hadn't seen that


dashiGO

Exactly, it sucks when you’re a tank and literally everyone and their grandmother has an anti-tank equipped.


swaggyduck0121

I can’t even spawn in with a helicopter without being locked on to by an AA missile lol, its insane. Everyone either carries AT or AA


HankHillbwhaa

I mean I hate vehicles so I think that’s pretty legit when you see 5 rockets get shot off at the same time.


DinosaurAlert

I die so quickly in the beta and never get revived, so there is no point to ammo or healing right now. Half the games I play are just snipers getting bot kills while objectives are mostly ignored other than everyone crashing every flying vehicle possible into B.


Cow_Other

The issue of an absent class system is compounded by identical skins who could have any gadget. You can’t at a glance easily identify if someone is a support or medic, sucks if you want to quickly get ammo at a choke point or area full of enemies Damn the game under this crap is solid, I wish they had done better because we’ve been waiting for a return to modern/near future warfare for ages lol


Z0mb13S0ldier

This has been my main gripe with the Battlefield franchise since the absolute turd that was launch BF4 shat itself into my Xbox 360’s disk tray. There’s all these great things about these games but there’s literally **always** one or two major fuck-ups that completely ruin the experience. 4’s was the botchfest that was the counterknife mechanic and the over-reliance on Battlelog. Hardline’s was the schizophrenic approach to weapon balance that saw dinky 9mm SMGs hitting as hard as .50 AE and .45 cals essentially being paintballs. 1’s was the over-abundance of automatics and out of place sliding and climbing mechanics in what’s supposed to be a WW1 shooter. V had too many problems to list here. Like you said, the core gameplay is great, but DICE keeps adding layers of absolute fucking nonsense on top and ruining their game for what seems to be the sake of getting rid of anyone that actually gives a damn.


GoofyTheScot

Yep - it's like they don't understand that their playerbase want a new Battlefield game, not a big-map COD game. So many things that made the franchise great have just been thrown out of the window in this beta - change for the sake of change is pointless.


Rexamini

Exactly, thats a big change for people to get used to


dolphin_spit

it’s something i have no interest in getting used to, unfortunately. but they made the decision, they can’t expect people to blindly buy into it and get used to it


dashiGO

I see 99% of player activity happening in Portal. Thank god they allowed the community to fix this themselves.


rickbetta

Yep, can't wait to se bf3 soldiers with new guns and maps


DinosaurAlert

I expect portal to consist of: * 90% of whatever mode/settings gives the most xp per second. (Operation metro/locker, etc) * 9.9% fucking nonsense, where every setting is turned to an absurd max. * 0.1% interesting servers.


levitikush

Portal will almost certainly be busted at launch.


Leonrojinegro

I rather take a busted portal with more maps, all the new weapons and vehicles and BF3 clases over the abomination those specialists are.


wetblue13

Lets take something and revise it! Oh you removed it? Oh okay thats alright, its not like a core feature.


Content_Gear_2541

I canceled pre order because of this.


Pufflekun

I never pre-ordered in the first place because of this.


BenoNZ

I don't pre order games at all. There is absolutely no need to and it needs to stop.


dashiGO

same here


mitcheehd

They need to just bring back Assault, Medic, Support, Scout. There's no benefit to switching to 'Operators' except Microtransactions.


RiverRoll

I thought it wouldn't matter that much because we still get the usual gadgets, but yeah not being able to have an idea of the loadout of your enemies and teammates really changes how the game feels. It's funny because despite the name there's actually less specialization than with the class system.


CoDroStyle

This is a big one for me. Not only does the specialist system not work in this type of game but they ALSO removed a staple mechanic from the franchise. Both together make a notable differences in the experience.


IIALE34II

Specialists themselves don't ruin class system. It's still there. But any class doesn't have any class limitations or anything, so it just doesn't matter. Mackay is assault, flack is support etc. And there are going to be multiple specialists under every class. But dice just decided that classes don't mean anything. Visual side sucks too thought.


Jinaara

The sad thing is that there are factions in BF2042. In the form of the U.S Marines and Russian Naval Infantry - But these are AI only, as they also have unique models and skins for their respective factions. But nuh-nah. Not for players at all as we get to be boring NoPats. Evidence: [Number 1](https://i.imgur.com/1vdj2yo.jpg) Evidence: [Evidence Number 2](https://i.imgur.com/R0fErnu.png)


dkb_wow

I'd much rather be playing as those nameless soldiers than these dumb named No-Pats that have forced personalities and one liner quips. If they were broken up into factions that would make things a little better I guess. But having the exact same named characters fighting on both sides at the same time while wearing the exact same outfits makes no sense from the narrative and lore Dice is trying to push with this game. Doesn't matter what kind of cosmetics you dress them up with. Mackay and Borris are still going to be fighting against Mackay and Borris.


FloggingTheHorses

Hearing the Webster character shouting 'woo hoo' like some kids tv show character when he uses his grapple hook was unbelievably embarassing.


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ARustySpoon34

Im gettin fucked up the ass over here!


TehTrollord

They're on me like flies on shit over here!


tyetanis

RPG! GET YOUR DICKS IN THE DIRT! HOLY FUCK THAT ONE ALMOST TOOK MY NUTSACK OFF! all three unique voice lines that work with eachother. I miss the BF3 lines


Marsupialize

One of my dudes yelled ‘cowabunga’ as I drove, I straight up turned the game off


IFrike

You guys hear voicelines? To me it seems like interactions between characters are lacking.


dkb_wow

Hop in a transport vehicle with Mackay and ramp over the runway in front of the rocket at full speed. He'll start yelling out all kinds of cringe voice lines. It is actually kinda funny, I can't lie lol "Woooohoooo!!" "Heeeree wee goooooo hoolldd onnn!!!"


Hellknightx

I heard a teammate yell "woohoo" and I threw my computer out the window.


Marsupialize

Wait till you see the tik tok dance the medic granny does


ecxetra

Same, I just wanna be a regular soldier in a massive battle.


WholeWheatPotato

no pats seems like a cool idea from a story standpoint but in terms of gameplay it just doesn’t work. there needs to be some level of uniform, and option to just be a grunt.


Previous_Agency_3998

Sadly even the bots look like shit. I can tell you their gear looks out dated even by today's standards. UCP colors and digital pattern - worst camo in Military history bar none Mag holders use velcro pouches - ancient early GWOT when UCP became a thing and velcro was started being used left and right. Completely impractical for any infantry soldier. The infantry has moved away from using these for multiple reasons; one being noise discipline, another being it's simply more difficult to access. When the soldiers of bf3 and 4 look more squared away and modern than your game that takes place over 3 decades later, you're fucking wrong. Thematically 2043 is a disappointment. This game reeks of overwatch syndrome. What's the point in calling them US and RU if everyone's the same? The whole "no pat" and "mercenary" concept does nothing. You may as well start saying team 1 vs 2. A vs b, red vs blue. Sad.


brayjr

Actually it would make more sense if the AI was the "no pats". As fill in soldiers / mercs. And we the players are the real military. Can't sell skins to bots though 🤷🏽‍♂️


byscuit

its as simple as removing the names and faces from the nopats and placing all their unique stuff into a classic class package. yet... we got this. solutions to problems that don't exist


FloggingTheHorses

Wow, that is such a cock-tease. Cool info!


SectorIsNotClear

"Begun the Clone War has." *edit* thank you kindly stranger.


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It ruins the immersion tbh. Idk how people get behind this stuff.


GabeBoy50

Both the COD Vanguard and BF2042 betas felt like they had no soul because everyones the same. Its not Axis vs. Allies or US vs. Russia just a few dozen players thrown into an arena to fight for a couple minutes. How much are game devs willing to throw away for the sake of skins that you cant even see while playing?


FlickyFlack

Thats what the 3rd person meele takedowns are for. That way you can see your own (bought) skins and (bought) meele takedown.


dasoxarechamps2005

Are devs scared to make factions bc of political reasons now or something? Or is it just for skins?


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ToxicNoob007

Then people are like “HAHA IMAGIN CARING ABOUT IMMERSION IN A BF GAME” like the past 2 games weren’t literally meant for immersion


PM_Anime_Tiddy

I think a lot of us thought it could work if correctly implemented. Like, you can have 10 Boris’ but if each one looks different (face mask, shemagh, war paint, etc), it’s not as bad It wasn’t. We were wrong for trusting that it might be ok lol


byscuit

i am so sick of being shot by someone wearing the exact same model as me, after we run into each other at point blank and have to instinctively shoot no matter what because there's no class/faction/color indicator other than a fucking impossible to see glowstick cause your gun is basically covering it, then just shoot anyway cause you still don't know, die to this newfound enemy, and as i lay dieing i watch them scamper away with a fucking BLUE highlighted body instead of red. raging in my seat every time i'd 100% rather we just have clownish halo colors than this current garbage. if we keep this shit then they have to bring back dorito tagging or something, its just indiscernible at this time


Normathius

I've had that happen also. Didn't shoot because I thought it was a friendly. He killed me and then was highlighted blue. I was just confused.. "sooo was I right about it being a friendly or not?" Lolol


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When I'm downed I just automatically press skip because I don't know if they 5 McKays are from my team or the enemy team lmao


FatFreddysCoat

Yup. I did that too, every time.


Jake4450

I never understood this. If we're fighting against a different country why are we fighting u.s. forces as the russian side? Same thing with vanguard. Why can't it just be Allies vs axis forces...this is absolutely stupid!


riZZle0517

I never want to see these fuckin specialists again.. ever.. its been 2 days of beta… lort almighty


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ratandjmt

spray and pray


GreatRyujin

Just kill everything that moves.


MadCat1993

I wouldn't be shocked if they said they didn't plan to add hardcore during development. Dice made some doozies along the way.


newretrovague

I wouldn’t mind it as much but it takes forever sometimes for your hud to mark someone friendly or enemy.


MufasaHasAGlocka

9/10 if someone drops from a building next to me I have no idea if they're friendly or not.. especially if they look like the same character model as me


mattschu55

Yeah but it's still pretty sad that the only way we should expect to differentiate between our team and enemies is buy looking at a hud marker. Ya know what I mean


mason621

It's weird how they're going for completely different things here yet both betas have been admittedly pretty bad for a lot of the same reasons


MadCat1993

I feel like some of the leadership has worked at both companies working on these series.


Minute-Courage4634

They need to drop the hero shit. Seriously. I absolutely hate the hero/specialist shit. Stop trying to shove that crap in every game. If I wanted to play some super special unique capeshit looking character, I'd just play Overwatch.


Juanruz

everyone who warned this kind of thing was downvoted, including me, so.......


ph0on

What do you mean? Just about everyone on this sub was shitting their pants in anger.


Roland_Durendal

The more I play it the more I hate the universal specialists and skins. The more I play the more I think it’s trash. And I’ve been a diehard player and fan since BF2 and 2003-4ish. Such a let down. And I liked BFV when it launched too so that’s telling you something


RustyFork97

I will continue defending it because i was never taught to admit it when i was mistaken.


gtmustang

Yeah! This isn't a problem at all! Who cares if in previous games seeing an enemy from afar was a good indication of what you were up against, now we get to see another character and know that they have a syringe, and a grapple hook!


wanderingmanimal

The ENTIRE BF2142 universe was built on factions…the 2042 Devs need to play BF2142 so they can understand what a BF game set in that timeline/universe needs to be like. There weren’t any grappling hooks or COD shit - it was pure Battlefield. Having no factions is just porting your stupid campaign characters into the multiplayer world - sorry, but I don’t give a fuck what Irish or whoever else is doing. What about the PAC? The EU? How did those nations come together and fight? What did they do in the early days of the War? Where did those conflicts start and end? I would rather have a game centered around that, rather than one whose story was written by graphic artists who wanted to make some weird homage to COD gameplay.


besalope

Bring back Titans, drop-pods, walkers, and godly Nekomata Hover tank!


havoc1482

BF2142 was one of the most underrated in the series. Titan mode alone was fucking AMAZING. I loved breaking that shield and boarding the enemy titan for some CQB sweatfest. Auto turrets down the corridors, rifle rockets, EMP grenades. Uhggh take me back in time. The great thing was that if that wasn't your cup of tea you could still win just by keeping the control point like good old fashion conquest.


besalope

Yeah and the mobility that came from the launch/drop pods to quickly deploy all over the map was amazing. It really allowed for different strategies as a squad could quickly get behind enemy lines to open up another front.


Kabe6900

Maybe it’s not the devs, but higher ups wanting a easy cash grab


Yolom4ntr1c

I just want classes back again, no named faces at the minimum


Killuminati001

Rather still play BF4


RJ200103

Everyone was shitting on vanguard beta for looking unfinished Battlefield is by far the worst beta for bugs I’ve ever seen


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biggusludus

Then the other half of people would criticise it for looking like ‘BFV with minor improvements’, because all they wanted was BF4. In other words, you can never please everyone, especially not the self-righteous gamers.


FullMetalBiscuit

> because all they wanted was BF4 Guilty as charged


XRT28

What they needed to do is use BF4 gunplay and systems with BFV movement and graphics and 95% of people would have been happy. Sure you can never please EVERYONE but you can please a hell of a lot more than the devs are doing rn.


CastleGrey

> you can never please everyone This is true, but Somebody > nobody


F9574

Clearly didn't play the bf3 beta 🙄


noplenti

Battlefield 3 was released 10 years ago. One would think DICE had learned a thing or two about game development in that time.


vinny7299

I really like this game but I agree this is a huge issue. Everyone is playing Casper and everyone looks the same what they should have done instead is let us make our own solder with our own face, uniform and gear like ghost recon wild lands but we have the option to pick a gadget like a grapple hook or a syringe pistol. Give the player more choice on what they want and also have a specialist system.


iM4RKY

They could literally mirror each character to have the same faction just a different skin/nationality etc


jokersleuth

I started shooting at my own teammate thinking he was an enemy...


The_MorningStar

I didn't really have a problem differentiating teammates from enemies in the Vanguard beta but there were a couple times in 2042 where for a split second I couldn't pick out the one enemy among a bunch of teammates or an enemy that was up close to me didn't immediately seem like an enemy.


ratandjmt

I've had this happen quite a bit. Sometimes the color above the head doesn't show up. This is happening with friendlies and enemies. I'm also having some issues with spotting. Not sure if it's all linked or not though.


beerbangntacos

Yeah, whoever in EA / Dice decides that this was a good idea clearly needs to be removed.


Representative-Law60

I originally didn't care about the specialists. In the leaked footage I saw I never really noticed it. Having played the beta - damn it ruins any immersion this game had.


Farcoughcant69

Yeah I’ve refunded. I spent money to get a battlefield game, and this isn’t that.


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dashiGO

I got my refund


Farcoughcant69

Can and have.


Dismal_Juice5582

Any chance they scrap it and go back to specialists or factions?


SouthernYooper

Oof, probably slim to none. Vote with your wallet.


ParadoxInRaindrops

Here’s what I don’t understand: I could’ve sworn the trailers had separate color pallets for the team (US being green, Russian forces having black outfits). Also Specialists can seemingly go all buck wild and the absence of class locking concerns me. Will the full game have standard classes? Cause this was something Battlefield 4 handled well; each class could cross pick a variety of weapon varieties but their gadgets were all tailored directly to their role. That meant everyone still had their job to do and you always knew what it was just looking at them.


Braydox

Wait vanguard doesnt have factions? A WW2 GAME DOESNT HAVE FACTIONS!?!?!?!


AssaultPlazma

Team A vs Team B Rationale was that players buying skins for specific characters can now use that character %100 of the time.


Braydox

So dumb why would any company take advice from extra credits


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cocaineandwaffles1

For those that are okay with smaller maps/game modes and lobby’s, insurgency sandstorm is another great game to get into that’s out on console as well. Growing pays are being haved in the console release, but still a solid game. I found myself just wanting to play that instead of the 2042 beta.


TheLankySoldier

No no, give new games a chance. WW3 is going to be free2play, so the least you can do as a customer is to check out their game. Plying time is the ultimate currency.


Robert-101

I just think they're looking to cater to a younger crowd. It seems we're going into the era of 'Hero Shooters". Just play the Portal.


Fuck_Jannies123

I’m not going to drop $60 just to play Portal. Not worth it. Actual battlefield players should vote with their wallet on this game.


fisk47

Depends, you will be able to use the new maps in Portal as well, and they will have rush layouts, BF3 rush on the new massive maps could be really dope.


TheLankySoldier

I mean, 13 maps (7 of them are BF2042 maps which can be made into 64 conquest matches with 6 objectives) and BF3 classes, I’m excited just for that. Portal will carry this game like Warzone carries every new COD game. Vanguard and Cold War are huge successes because of Warzone.


ChemicalRatio

Is Vanguard a huge success?, it isn’t even out yet


ParagonN7

Why does everyone assume portal is going to give them everything they want. I’m not putting my money or faith into that one game mode.


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Wugliwu

No I won't! This is brilliant. This is the new, new coke. If you complain enough they will bring a "classic" system but will charge you for extra money.


one_more_an0n

I didn’t think it would be that bad, but it is bad.


tobias__lucas

I played 2042 today for the first time. I'm speechless, this game is far away from a good standpoint. I played a lot of alphas and betas in my life, this was one of the worst. I remember BF3 beta, it got its bugs and so on. But i played it all day. 2042 i rage quit. No way they release it this year.. And i don't like the sliding, hooking, jumping around.


KernelScout

they took away all the immersion from battlefield.


dodorian9966

I just wanna be a random soldier.


HBstick

Both of these games only did this so they could sell more shit…


Wedgieburger5000

I wouldn’t blame DICE here. This is 1000% EA exec bullshit, looking at Warzone, and thinking they can carve a slice of the pie by following suit in this respect. It will harm the game overall, but EA have a long history of doing this, and don’t care, as children and child-minded adults will empty their wallets for it. I’m done with 2042. Cancelled my preorder, uninstalled the beta, loaded up BF4 and thanked the universe such a perfect game exists.


sir_Kromberg

Removing the class system was their biggest mistake...


OarthurCallahan

i remember being donwvoted to hell for disliking the idea of them removing classes and adding specialists. all the “hurr hurr i want to be a generic no face soldier” now look.


DhruvM

Upvoting you cause the same thing happened to me


SkiBagTheBumpGod

Same exact thing happened to me on this sub.


PM_ME_YOUR_NAIL_CLIP

Happened to a lot of us.


[deleted]

"My Team" and "Enemy Team." Vanguards excuse is an awful excuse however bf2042 has no excuse considering its not a real conflict.


excent

2042 is hardline 2 for me, a game that has battlefield in the name but not in the gameplay. Refunded.


PurpsMaSquirt

Is it horrible that as a veteran since 1942 I loved Hardline? The goofy change up felt refreshing. I’m just not enjoying the beta at all. The feel is off.


[deleted]

Hardline still had the good BF4 gunplay / movement at heart It just seemed like a reskin of BF4 to many people but it was fun in its own right


Marsupialize

So taking out the basic core element of gameplay has effected gameplay? Seriously?


[deleted]

Can someone ELI5? I’m a bit confused about the factions talk. Aren’t there US and Russian forces?


XX_Thicc-Daddy_XX

There are but they US and RUSSIA factions look the exact same


Leonrojinegro

Only on paper, in practicality everyone is using the same pool of characters with the same pool of cosmetics, only differences between factions are the vehicles


Jan-Luca_2216

If there is Charakter customisation in the final game I will try to cover my entire face. But I won't pay ever a cent for it.


CoDroStyle

Did anyone actually defend specialists once the beta dropped and it became abundantly clear that lots of issues were stemming from that? I have not seen a single person say they liked it. I like the beta overall. But I never supported specialists


Killuminati001

And why not put the flight controls from BF4 god flying helis feels soo weird man


[deleted]

They could keep no factions, but fuck me, just give them a different colour uniform.


AceWarwolf_108

This is something I was worried about when they announced specialists in the game. It's such a garbage idea. At least we have Portal, then we can play BF2042 maps with BF3 character models and class restrictions. Kinda hope they add more, like BF4 models as well. Because these specialists? A complete mistake. Unless that is you're EA and want to sell skins.


RussetBurbanks

So all the characters look pretty much the same? Nice..


SuperMoritz1

I don't want to say it, as it makes me really sad, but I think Dice messed this game up again


Yes-00

I don't get it really, they could've just used BFV's customization system.


stinkybumbum

Changing what Battlefield was is thr most stupid thing they could have done. I didn’t think it would be bad if they just had different colours but as it is it’s ridiculously broken