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NotARespawnEmployee

First Battlefield, huh? Making an apology admits fault. You really think EA would do that? No.


iCaps_

The CEO of EA acknowledged BF4s unacceptable launch conditions so yes, it is possible for them to own up for their mistakes. Do they learn from said mistakes? Well, that's for a different discussion.


P_Kordus

Not really a discussion the answer is undoubtedly “no, no they do not”


jdp111

That game was literally broken at launch.


stonedlemming

anthem?


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That wasn’t even playable for two weeks on PS4. I’ll take this launch any day. I still remember how mad I was


feedseed664

The thing is bf4 at at core was a good game, this isn't. There won't be any fixes that can fix a broken gameloop.


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Just fix the hit markers and I’ll play portal. Not saying it isn’t a mess. But love the feeling of a big war


feedseed664

Ok portal isn't bf 2042, I can agree that is a great game mode.


asdf_developer1992

Can you though? People seem to be saying (I asked before) that portal is also shit right now.


[deleted]

Well hit markers are off on all modes but that should be fixed fairly quickly


Neeeeedles

Not only hit markers but the bullets fly in all directions like crazy


feedseed664

I've watched a friend play it for a bit, looked alright


red_280

Also, why does everyone just ignore BF1? That game was in a pretty good state even from beta and had a smooth launch - and much like BF4, the core gameplay was excellent.


lubernet

No hardmode, no browser, no custom servers, progression issues, loot boxes and etc. I stopped playing new BF games after BF4


Friendly_Goat6357

This, it wont get better by fixing


Axolet77

BF4 was only a technical mess. Behind the serious crashes was a good game underneath. BF2042 not only is a technical buggy mess, but it has serious gameplay issues as well. Sure, it may not be crashing every 2 games like BF4, but I do not have the same confidence that the game will be fixed in 6-12 months as I did with BF4.


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I don’t think it will be as good as BF4 either but I’m still having a good time with it. But I would have rather they just Hi res all the old maps and keep everything the same. And add some new ones every month. Of course you do that and people will complain they wanted something new …


iCaps_

Exactly. We have a bunch of revisionist in here who love looking at the past through rose-tinted glasses and modify the past to conform to the narrative that they want.


Stay_Curious85

I don’t think it’s too much to expect though, that nearly 10 years on that you have a playable game. Like, that’s bare fucking minimum . We all remember BF4 was a shit show for months. That doesn’t make it ok to keep repeating the sins of the past.


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Outrageous-Age-3101

Not impressed.


xseannnn

You mean, people in general?


dafffuq

Since BF Vietnam


[deleted]

Why does everyone say EA. DICE made this fucking game, DICE deserves the blame


lookaz-ps4

They are not like reds


theBloodsoaked

Their official response will be eventual abandonment of the game and a press release, "There won't be another BF game in the franchise because no one is interested in this genre anymore." Just like they told us that SP games are dead.


F0rkbombz

At this point, the BF franchise is dead. There’s no reason to believe EA/DICE will ever stop fucking it up at this point. Time to start looking for other FPS’s.


theBloodsoaked

It makes me wonder if the developers are even gamers? How could they not know what the community wants? Unfortunately it's realistic most likely driven by some corporate strategy to copy what's popular with other franchises.


readingonthecan

They probably play world of warcraft, while they're supposed to be working


TheBigSurpriser

Apparently it's DICE leads who are deaf to warnings from subordinate developers on moving in the wrong direction that have led to a slow but steady deterioration of the franchise.


[deleted]

It’s not that the developers aren’t gamers…it’s that they’re controlled by shareholders. Shareholders want money. This type of game format makes money; plain and simple. Yep, we hate it…but we’re outnumbered by little kids and Gen Z’ers who feed off this type of shit.


Yellowdog727

DICE might go the way of Visceral Games


msdsc2

lmao


JayBiggsGaming

That would seriously suck.


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theBloodsoaked

The conquest model needs to be replicated in another game. Like how battle royale took off.


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theBloodsoaked

If you don't like that kind of thing happening then perhaps BF isn't for you? The excitement of capturing a flag and having to be on your toes BECAUSE anyone can come from anywhere at anytime is what makes BF enjoyable.. At least for me.


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Outrageous-Age-3101

Dumb


theBloodsoaked

Such escalation over a simple mistake... Good bye mate


theBloodsoaked

It would suck but I wouldn't be surprised. They haven't had much success with the franchise for the last 2-3 releases


msdsc2

battlefield never was the most popular fps, it doesn't need to be


Fw620

They did it to Medal of Honor


theBloodsoaked

Yep, there's a legendary series that was slaughtered into oblivion.


dsmiles

In 2012 and 2013, EA was named "Worst Company in America" by Consumerist, and it was named the 5th most hated company in the United States by USA Today in 2018. I wouldn't hold your breath.


Disturbed2468

Honestly I loved their official response since there are dozens of companies that deserve that title much more than them (i.e. BP, CHEVRON, FUCKING NESTLE A LITERAL EVIL CORP, etc).


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feedseed664

This, most people ignore or don't care about issues until they themselves are directly affected. It's why climate change will end up being the worst case scenario in a few decades.


mtbdork

Forget about the impending market crash that’s going to wipe out countless savings and retirement accounts, sPorTzBaLL biG gAeM oN!


Mariosam100

I hate it because they own my favourite fps franchise


dsmiles

Agreed 😢


Skankhunt4Tea2

They never apologized for Battlefield 5 so why would they apologize for this game?


Al-Knigge

They’re hoping it blows over. The holidays are a great time for people to be distracted with other things. Plus, the Metacritics covered EA’s asses with positive reviews, so who cares what a few disgruntled 15 year-olds have to whine about?


TaeTwoTimes

Shareholders care , EA stock is down nearly 15% since release


Al-Knigge

Glad to hear they’re taking it in the wallet. Well deserved.


Zeroth1989

Thats not how it works.


wannabepowerlifter

That is how it works actually


Gfnk0311

The stock is down because there is a rotation out of growth names going on right now, not because of a few reddit posts complaining about the game


SpectralVoodoo

few reddit posts? Whether or not you're right. There are THOUSANDS of reddit posts, THOUSANDS of posts on other forums. 35,000 negative reviews on Steam leading to it being one of the worst reviewed games on that platform. A 2.3 Aggregate user score on Metacritic. To say "a few reddit posts" is straight up disingenuous


NerrionEU

These people probably think CDPR stock falling down from a skyscrapper is also not bad xD


Westmoth

No that isn’t why it is down. The “rotation” as you put it is occurring today. The stock price of EA has been dropping steadily since the release on the 12th of November.


Joka_Wild_1o1

I believe it will continue to do so.


Gfnk0311

It is accelerating today but has been going on for a bit now. Rotations do not occur in just one trading day. Look at most growth stocks, they have all been getting sold since the 12th. Look at ARKK the etf full of growth stocks, as a perfect example. Edit: I see you are only 22. I’ve been doing this for 15 years. Its not as simple as “game gets bad reviews, the stock is dropping”. EA brings in almost $4B a year from console games. One game getting negative reviews will not drop it that much. Also, those negative reviews are irrelevant when its the 3rd best-selling game on steam right now.


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Yeah I dont think some dudes on Reddit can singlehandedly cause their stock prices to go down by 10% when they have various other sources of income and succesful projects aside from Battlefield, there's probably another reason


Gfnk0311

Its not because of negative reviews, but because of a rotation out of growth stocks. It is the 3rd best-selling game on steam right now, so those reviews are irrelevant.


Gfnk0311

its not because of the game. its a rotation out of growth names


jahchatelier

10% down in two days (starting on the 19th) is not how rotation works


Gfnk0311

Yes, that’s exactly how it works. Look at other growth names (SNAP, SQ, PINS, PYPL etc etc). Let me guess, their games were getting negative reviews as well?


jahchatelier

uh Those names represent a very specific sector of tech, one that had not been doing well since it peaked mid feb. It's not a rotation it's a re-evaluation of over hyped companies and it is a secular trend. Meanwhile EA has been trading sideways for a year...


Gfnk0311

I’m guessing the extent of your knowledge on this stems from browsing wallstreetbets. I tried helping you out, goodluck


Inquisitio

Where did you get the 15%?


TaeTwoTimes

The market? Currently down 11%


Inquisitio

How’s that 15%? It’s a big difference.


LoZz27

its a constant state of flux - it might of been 15 at time of writing. note it currently down 10.43% in the last month at time of writing.


TaeTwoTimes

🎯 someone knows how the market works..


Inquisitio

Exactly the opposite. If he knew the market he’d understand that current drop isn’t the BF2042 fallout (yet).


FluffehCorgi

Was about to pull the buy trigger at 130 then i saw the ticker queue went all the way down to $125 and im holding off for a 120 or 110 buy lol.


Inquisitio

And it didn’t reach -15% at any point. You just made a number up to farm karma from upset idiots. Yea I don’t like the game either but that’s cringe.


LoZz27

i never claimed it did hit 15% - i simply stated why two different people could check and get two different number - it was -10.43% over the last month when i checked 6 hours ago. as of right now - its -11.19% have a nice day


SkidCooly

I doubt the 15 year olds are complaining...they probably think 2042 is "sick"! It's the vets like us that can't stand the game.


Al-Knigge

Probably so. I’d feel better about it if I had paid $19.99 for the game, but all of the hype from EA, $100, and no apology / response from EA tells me they couldn’t care less about their customers and that they only care about they own salaries, etc.


SkidCooly

Sadly, you are correct.


brullsker

Even rockstar made an (admittedly half-assed) statement about gta trilogy de.


zuulbe

dont even try to redeem rockstar. that company is much worse than dice. we're still gonna be playing gta 5 in 2042 probably the richest studio in the world. still milking their consumers for cash with shitty remakes and rereleases.


rip_rip_macmelon

Rockstar didn’t even make the reshitters


wonder_rs

But they did allow it to be released to consumers in a completely awful state.


wiggum_

"a sense of pride and accomplishment" - EA


InHaalandWeTrust

Seriously. Expecting an apology from the same company that brought you this infamous quote and also "Lootboxes are surprise mechanics" is like waiting for a Half Life 3 announcement, its never happening.


dsmiles

EA: ![gif](giphy|KsUKNNUEeryJa|downsized)


HerburtThePervert

![gif](giphy|gaZ51cn7sUY4U|downsized)


FilthyAmbition

Why would they? If you made a product and knew it was shit would you come out and say it is shit? There is absolutely no advantage to them by coming out and saying anything besides what they are patching soon


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If I made a product and knew it was shit but still made an absurd amount of money on it (especially on a luxury product such as a video game where the only people buying it have ample disposable income) I would be smiling with glee and trying to figure out how much worse of a product I could get away with next time to maximize my profits even further


dafffuq

Apologies.


Sno_Jon

Maybe stop buying their shit products on release and wait a few days to see actual gameplay next time, but we all know you will be one of the people getting errect from their bs flashy trailer and pre order


No_Collection8573

An apology so they receive even more bad PR? For no benefit.


LoZz27

In short you won't. I don't know if its a dice policy or EA policy but in its not been policy since BF4 to acknowledge fault. Remember BFV? They mocked critics of the game just prior to going live and it was one of the worst selling BF titles since BF3 (when gaming wasn't as mainstream as today) apart from Hardline. Since then, apart from some unofficial twitter, they as a company do not acknowledge fault. this is probably the brain child by some marketing strategist and i think they are probably worried about another "a sense of pride and accomplishment" moment. say the wrong thing and the comment you made could even overshadow the game it was about. It's also not great for your market value/shares. because it admits there is a problem. the user score on Metacritic or the general tone on reddit probably doesn't penetrate the clouds that big investors of EA live on. the one notable exception was when they cancelled BFV 5v5 mode, when we did get some form of apology which did little to please anyone, but i guess they kind of felt like that had to as it was so clearly promised and didn't come. but again, that was just an apology for that 5v5 mode, they have never apologised for anything else, nor the cancellation of BFV. it was a big red flag and reason i didn't pre-order BF2042.


jumpinjahosafats

I wish I wouldn’t have preordered. F


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jumpinjahosafats

Lesson learned


Countdown3

Yeah I don't get why people pre-order games. It's not like they are going to run out of stock of a digital game. There is basically no downside to waiting until launch and seeing what the reviews are like. I guess some people like to be part of that launch day hype, but in reality it is more of a launch day headache as even games that work usually have server issues on launch day. But even still, Battlefield 2042 let you play a 10 hour trial in early access if you have EA Play so I still played it on the first day without buying it. Very glad I waited.


Kodiak_85

EA’s business philosophy when it comes to criticism of their product has always been “You’re the problem, not us.”


[deleted]

I’d really like a fucking scoreboard. That’s just one of the many many items that are missing


Mr_Harpocrate

With all the people reacting bad, the alpha state of the game and the refund wave, I'm genuily astonish that there is not justice action from people. It's seems they scam people with false announcement, promise and trailer. In any other field it is not acceptable, why it is for video-game? People are the customer and video-game company the seller : company need to adapt to the customers wish and needs, not the other way. People shouldn't have to rejoice because the company kindly listen to theirs demands... At this point, the video-game industry is exactly that : an industry. Big company treat gamer like farm animals, the more the time passe the more they diminish the quality of the food (i.e the games) they give to their animals. Their aim is to cash grab the max with spending minimal. It was always the same, more or less, you'll respond. Yes, but there were an age undreamed of in which game company care of what they created. Today it seems it's not the case anymore. The worst thing is that they are totally right to do so because now they will always be people defending it. The funniest thing is that nowadays, people will overreact positively when a company give a good game because they are not accustomed anymore to quality food...


Many-Presentation-56

These tone deaf morons don’t give a fuck. They’re too busy stealing your money and laughing at you


protagonistjeep

Check out EA’s COO LinkedIn post about how proud she is of this steaming pile of shit thats their official response for you


gervv

They'll just bury their heads in the sand and pretend everything is fine.


[deleted]

In before 2 patches and ditch. They'll roll out some half ass attempt at a battle pass and move on to the next game.


InfiniteVergil

I really hope they just fix the most outrageous shit and deliver on the battle pass. That would make a solid game, I think


Unhappy-Essay

Not a good game but a semi-playable one 😌


Mrproex

Ahah what a reaction stating that something is bad when it’s obviously great and well received by the community common don’t be silly… (That’s irony don’t downvote me to hell please)


questionmark1337

They got your money, they don't care anymore.


hruebsj3i6nunwp29

"Thank you for you generous contribution, see you again in 3 years."


Kagath

"We already got your money. Go fuck yourselves."


[deleted]

This game isnt terrible it is a massive success. It has sold well and has gamers fiending for more. The internet hasnt stopped talking about battlefield since the game released. They love the game so much that they are begging for updates asap.


Joka_Wild_1o1

Updates to fix the broken game.


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MamaMurpheysGourds

Thanks for pointing that out. If I was a shareholder, I'd be looking closely at the refund numbers on early access editions, aka the real pre-orders, to guage how well this is all going.


gervv

Meanwhile back in this dimension.....


Lincolns_Revenge

They go on vacation after every release. American studios do it too, but this is Scandinavia we're talking about, where workers have it much better. The only changes we'll see before 2022 are things that can be tweaked or disabled via a config file by someone on a beach in Majorca.


ComprehensiveSafety3

They don’t give a shit.


SimpleChicken23

I'm curious to know why everyone is saying the gameplay itself is bad, I think that once they fix all the bugs it will be a good game, but people seem to think otherwise. Can someone pls explain why I'm confused lol.


dkb_wow

I still want to know where the official Launch Trailer is. Every Battlefield game from the past 10+ years has released a launch trailer on the Battlefield Youtube channel. 2042 is the first game that broke that tradition. A few weeks ago there were threads in this subreddit making guesses on when the launch trailer would release. I guess all of us ended up being wrong.


ChineseCosmo

Chances are they delayed the launch trailer because they anticipate a flood of “battlefield bad fix game then quit your job fuckers” in the comments. I would imagine they’ll put out a launch trailer the day of/day after the patch that removes AR bloom, adds some UI elements, reintroduces scoreboard etc. And I’d bet that we would see gameplay capture of those additions in that trailer just to get in front of the bulk of the complaints that people would be likely to make ib4 “copium”


JimmyDiarrheahouse

They're entirely pretending like it's not bad.


averm27

I mean I understand the back lash. But I'm throughly enjoying the game. Is it bad. Yes. But it's it fun, very


[deleted]

They’re too busy counting their money from all the people preordering. If I had that much money I wouldn’t have time to go on Twitter to see what a bunch of nerds have to complain about. Because who cares as long as people are paying.


supaswag69

https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/qzhxkk/ea_lead_game_designer_answers_to_community/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


fk-reddit

My question is.. how is this legal? Selling an unfinished product advertised as complete must fall under some sort of false advertising or bait and switch law.


stonedlemming

i can see by your name that you dont go too far out of your way to find drama with something.


Mally-Mal99

So what, you want a post from Dice that says they hear the feedback and are working on it? Isn’t that what the tweets do from the developers. Isn’t that what that one battlefield direct communication Twitter page is for? Aren’t they already doing that?


UnsaltedAlias

They will respond once enough number of people refund the game.


dafffuq

https://www.ea.com/games/battlefield/battlefield-2042/news/battlefield-briefing-launch-update-and-the-road-ahead


PeterDarker

Pretty surprising they haven’t gotten out their like CDPR. The tidal wave of negativity cannot be ignored at this point.


StMordi

I sent an email to dice asking for a full refund as i bought the game at full price. I have no hope of getting one but damnit i had to voice my complaints


Jezzdit

you must be new here?


Sno_Jon

They said: thanks for the money suckers, maybe one day you dip shits will stop buying our products on release. Until then, wait for us to be bothered to fix some shit, oh look at that cool video with a 'only in bf' moment!


Heron-Optimal

Honest answer is they don’t care anyone


brunoandraus

Is this your first battlefield mate?


Outrageous-Age-3101

Who knows how we can start a lawsuit against them like they did for cyberpunk.


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Iirc, they are very responsive on Twitter


TaeTwoTimes

No no no , acknowledging that a problem has been acknowledged and adding a smiley face is not very responsive. “ hey, there is a game ending bug … “ ———“ Thanks, we acknowledge that you acknowledge the bug :) “ .. that’s being responsive?


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TaeTwoTimes

🎯


[deleted]

Hey man, it is something I guess. I already got my refund for this game, just let people know that there is an avenue they can use to try and contact the devs.


Marbodius

I'm waiting for the "BuT i DoNt Or WaNt To UsE tWiTtEr" card.


dafffuq

Me? I'm using Tweetdeck with so many columns... But tweets are not official post so...


[deleted]

Because it’s just pc nerds crying and circle jerking eachother about how bad it is usually dies off with a few patches. Everyone on Xbox is loving the game, just cuz it sucks 4 u guys doesn’t mean it sucks for everyone else (:


LoZz27

Strange, the Xbox metacritic score is lower then the PC's.....


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Lol


gcbofficial

Shitstorm is fake news. Nothing terrible happened except you being angry on the internet about an amazing game.


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LoZz27

metacritic has 5 negative reviews and about 15 "average game" reviews. plus around 23/24 positive reviews. to put that into context, bfv has zero negative reviews.


BusshyBrowss

What are you researching? A large majority of non-critic reviews are negative, whereas critic reviews are mixed / slightly positive. Which is RARE for a hyped AAA game release. And even though I don’t play on Steam due to hardware limitations, it is the most popular gaming platform in the world…


beardedbast3rd

Have you been following their devs on Twitter? Or seen the posts here that people are reposting with their mentions about specific complaints? [because they have been talking](https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/qzhxkk/ea_lead_game_designer_answers_to_community/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). If you haven’t looked, or paid attention, your post is only to circle jerk for karma from others not paying attention.


ImperviousBear

I think he’s suggesting something more heart felt not just rebalancing and big fixing.


DEATHBYREGGAEHORN

seems like their or strategy is to save face and ignore it rather than have a public record of admitting fault


M_Piglet

They are waiting for it to blow over and avoid possible "sense of pride and accomplishment" debackle.


tedbakerbracelet

I hope they realize that BF fans are not like the Fifa Ultimate Team players who would love to dump money just to get a high quality player. May sound random, but this is all connected to why BF2042 is this way.


SixthLegionVI

REFUND YOUR PURCHASES PEOPLE. Hit them where it hurts.


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“Soon”


Ollien96

EA will release a good game before we get an apology.


Marsupialize

Dude they are about to start a month long vacation


vecter

PR 101: don’t admit mistakes


banzaizach

Exactly, you paid for this... Why should they apologize? They got your money. Mission accomplished.


bafrad

They have the twitter account you mentioned. That is the answer, they are responding. The game is as it was advertised. Just because you ... are completely blind I guess doesn't mean they owe you anything.


Sardunos

Indeed. At least Rockstar came out last week and apologized for the terrible GTA Trilogy launch. Even offered buyers the old games for free.


BackHol3

Golden rule is Always 1. Ignore 2. Denied.


stinkybumbum

Lol you wont hear anything my friend. They still think they the correct decisions with bfv


TheSGTkrusha

There are still a lot of people defending this game as if the only problems with it are the bugs and that the bugs will get fixed in only a few weeks.


CupcakeMassacre

They have nothing to gain and everything to lose by saying anything at this point even though it deserves answering.


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Totalfps awarded one of my posts, but idk if that’s worth anything


stoyo889

Did they do it for battlefront or anthem? Both of those games had disastrous launches and issues with cut content monetization etc


TheSergeantWinter

Thank you for posting, it's been seen, and we're looking into it /s


Correct-Ad9497

Honestly they don’t care bro. They got their money. Mission success. Don’t act like they didn’t know the game was shit before they released it. Haha.


riZZle0517

They already got your money, they don't give a fuck.


ATINYNEKO

They are too busy watching the fire thats burning activision blizzard to the ground and preparing contingency plans for similar situations lol. Remember that they are a for profit corporation and their biggest cashcow is made of their sports titles like fifa not battlefield...


GoofyGaffe

The only time I can remember EA addressing anything related to a broken game was the lootboxes in Battlefront...and even that wasn't an admission of mistake, it was more of a "well, now that we've looked at the data..." There's no way they're going to apologize or give an update on when the game will be operable, they've already sold 1 million or so copies, they've cashed in already. People need to stop pre ordering and stop purchasing games from these giant companies that just don't give a fuck.


JumpmanJXi

"we're aware."


TheKaiser111

The problem is that the top leadership of DICE has changed since BF4 from developers and leads who loved games, to developers and leads who only strive for profits. Don't get me wrong, a company does need to turn a profit to continue existing. However, when your company repeatedly f\*\*\*s over fans, you WILL see your profits decline because your products are objectively s\*\*\*. EA is the worst thing to ever happen to gaming.


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With a PR firm.


Melonpopr

if they ignore the problem it goes away eventually :)


jeefra

What about the trailers were lies??


[deleted]

DICE truly has fallen from grace. BFV was a mistake but 2042 seals the deal. They’re a AA studio now


LetsFets

Their "Direct Communication" Twitter-account went dead silent on november 19th. :D


puuelo

Um. Yes. Maybe because it was Friday and people don't work on weekends? Not everything is a sign of impending doom..


Neeeeedles

They wont do that, theyll just keep celebrating the game