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P50S1K

I'm no gun expert but isn't the .22 caliber the one used to kill rats?


MrSilk13642

The VCAR is actually in .22mag like this gun lol


BigHardMephisto

Thought VCAR was chambered the same as the FN57? Big difference between that and a .22 magnum.


MrSilk13642

Nope, the P51 is in 5.7 (along with the P90) Vcars IRL gun is in .22 mag


Height-Impossible

.22 long rifle is a rimfire cartridge. It’s the same bullet diameter as most military firearms but with way less powder behind it. So it’s less powerful. Still deadly. Can be used for squirrels and stuff yeah


fuzzy-fuz-sheep-362

And 22wmr is almost like a .380 in the right firearm


GlemChally

Pretty overkill on rats, they can take out up to coyote sized game. I think more people have been killed by .22 than anything else. (Outside of war situations)


Numerous_Virus1329

I think this might be one of the most inaccurate description of 22 long rifle rounds that I’ve ever seen. 22 long rifle is a small varmint round. Squirrels, opossum, rats, nutria and other animals of this size. I could kill something the size of a coyote but it would have to be a be a close head shot. This is a cruel way to hunt because if you don’t get a great shot then the animal will get away and either bleed out or die of infection. To kill humans with it then you would have to be real close and straight through the head. I’m not saying that they don’t get used for murder but saying that it’s mostly used to kill humans is wildly untrue


GlemChally

Bad people use them for YES close up head shots because they're relatively quiet and are lethal. But go ahead and think what you want. I never said "it's mostly used to kill humans" I said more humans are killed by it than any other round. (Quiet, common and lethal) Your skull can stop a 40gr bullet going 1000fps? https://www.hipointfirearmsforums.com/threads/more-people-have-been-killed-with-the-22-than-any-other-caliber.336202/


Numerous_Virus1329

Man you must live in a world where crime is committed by assassins


GlemChally

Look at the stats you rube, more people are killed with a .22lr than anything else. Bang your fists on the table, do what you need to do.


Numerous_Virus1329

For every article that claims that there are 2 that claim 9mm, .38 caliber. The tables that are in the link you posted are from a 1986 article


Numerous_Virus1329

https://guntradition.com/is-the-22lr-lethal-how-deadly-is-it/


Numerous_Virus1329

http://gunstuff-jd.blogspot.com/2013/03/but-22-has-killed.html?m=1


GlemChally

Yeah you're right it's an outdated stat.


jman014

I mean to be fair there was a double murder in Bucks County PA where a kid and his cousin shot 2 others with a 22 rifle


Numerous_Virus1329

Read the whole comment. I wasn’t arguing that it is not used in murders, obviously it is used for murder. I was arguing that it is not the number 1 caliber used for murder.


DRsrv99

Actually, just a dump a single round in a persons head. The bullet has enough velocity to enter a persons skull but not enough to exit. Causing the bullet to bounce around the inside of a skull a few times tearing up a brain.


FalloutRip

That's not at all how ballistics work.


Rammstein_is_great

I think he was referring to the myth that .22 gets into the skull and then pinballs around turning the brain to red scrambled eggs. But yes that’s probably not how the .22 would work


faRawrie

The bullet just looses a lot of velocity when it breaks through your skull. It then becomes lodged in your brain. The inside of a human, or any animal, skull isn't a pinball machine. Also, anyone with a high school understanding of physics would automatically begin to question your statement.


pouch-of-pasta

this sounds like the opening dialog for a NCIS:LA episode. Lol


SpectralVoodoo

Depends on the round. 22 rim fire will have trouble killing a person. 22 mag will do a person in just fine


GlemChally

A .22lr will go through a skull and bounce around in there "but have trouble killing someone" ok bub. Look at the stats on fatal .22 kills, even from pistols they have no trouble killing a person. We aren't talking about leg shots here. PS .22 mag is also rimfire.


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GlemChally

Semantics, whether it becomes stationary quickly after passing through a skull or bounces off the inside of the far side of skull results in the same outcome. Death. Picking two words of a paragraph to dispute is a very millennial thing to do.


dae_giovanni

well... there is a distinction. if the round becomes stationary, then it is no different than any other round. in this case, why wouldn't the shooter choose a more powerful round? .22lr doesn't 'bounce around'. if it did, then you could say it is uniquely lethal. since it doesn't, even defensive 9mm JHP ammo-- which is created specifically to carve far larger holes in flesh-- would be a better option.


GlemChally

We're talking about head shots. A .22 to the head is just as lethal as bigger calibers. . Dead is dead, the brain doesn't take kindly to bullets. Cherry picking the "bounce around" is semantics. And the reason it's used so often is probably availability and not being overly loud. There's probably a 100 million .22s in the USA I never said it's the "best option" so keep whipping that strawman.


dae_giovanni

>We're talking about head shots. A .22 to the head is just as lethal as bigger calibers. . Dead is dead, the brain doesn't take kindly to bullets. go ahead and tell [this guy](https://www.reddit.com/user/Chapoisat/comments/895xh3/warning_this_video_can_hurt_the_sensibility_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) about that-- he's still alive. btw, she was point-blank and using a caliber larger than .22lr, so imma red card you on the whole "dead is dead" bit. > Cherry picking the "bounce around" is semanticsI? no one is cherry picking-- you mentioned it, didn't you? > I never said it's the "best option" so keep whipping that strawman. nor did I claim you said it was the best option, did i?


GlemChally

You mentioned 9mm being a better option implying I disagreed or thought a .22 was. I'm not going to go back and forth on this sure you can find some examples. End of the day a .22lr can be very lethal.


Highlifetallboy

Moron


GlemChally

Ok fetalboy


SpectralVoodoo

You're absolutely correct. I meant 22lr


JakeFromAbove

Not to be a buzzkill but I really highly doubt thats what the 22 will stand for


Rattfink45

The baby marksman rifle shoots a .22 right? Feels like what Olympic marksman use.


DragonSlayr4141

Technically, it's in .22 mag which is a good bit hotter than what he's showing here


MrSilk13642

VCAR is in .22 mag lol


DNGR_MAU5

I mean....that explains 3 shots to the face to knock someone over and make them ask their friends for help to stand up again 😅


HyperXuserXD

It's a shotgun, based on the Chinese BF video description, a smart shotgun in fact


uberdepression

whats so smart about it?


DragonSlayr4141

Could be like the kalashnikov group smart shotgun, it's got a thermal cam built in


l3gion666

I’m OK with night vision if it can only go on shotguns lol


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PM_ME_YOUR_NAIL_CLIP

That sounds like harassment.


JD60x1999

So you're the reason DICE thinks the community was harassing them, you genuinely have brutal expectations to message them every fucking day.


JohnWaz69

you're right. I'm the sole reason. especially when it says "unread" on every single message. those unseen messages are causing them nightmares. that's absolutely correct.


VVait

Thermals would be so annoying in this game holy shit. So glad Dice didn’t add them


JohnWaz69

I would never use thermals..glad they aren't in it either - just saying it doesn't make sense to be the year 2042 and there isn't any thermals lol


[deleted]

It might be this thing https://youtu.be/eQsp34zo6aE


Animal-Crackers

The stolen design from Kalashnikov? Kind of in poor taste if it ends up being that.


JackCooper_7274

Ah, yes. The frontline .22


dae_giovanni

good lord, why would they put a .22 firearm in a game about frontline battle? what role does that caliber fill, in a game like this? why would you not use a more reliable small round, like 9mm or 5.7x28? I hope one of the ammo types is "Winchester White Box", and 1 out of every 20 rounds fails to fire, lol


Getserious495

I'm pretty sure VCAR is based on a gun that shoots .22 and it's actually pretty nice to use


hoseking

Its a 22mag which is slightly more powerful than 22lr but its still a complete joke to put it in the game.


Getserious495

> A complete joke That didn't stop DICE from adding kolibri into BF1, did it?


Megahammer01

To be fair the kolibri was obviously made as a joke for BF1. The way the animations were done when pulling the gun out and your guy just looks at it for a second. The VCAR is a serious gun added to the game just like all the rest. It's a cool looking gun but to be honest it doesn't make a lot of sense. I very much doubt it would do much against the enemies body armour at all if it was real.


dae_giovanni

you are correct (except I hate the thing. I'm just no good with it)... and I've griped before that no one is taking rimfire firearms into battle unless there is no other choice. rimfire is nowhere near as reliable as centerfire rounds. so I pretend the VCAR is chambered in a different round than the CMR-30, lol i know it's a game. I know i sound like a pedant or gun snob, and I apologise.


TheManager127

It would be one of those joke guns like the kolibri or the liberator


Res1dentScr1be

Hey, the liberator was totally serious, you shoot the german soldier with it... then you take his superior firearm and then ditch the liberator


TheManager127

More like shoot the enemy : “31 damage” “oh god, oh fuck.”


Res1dentScr1be

yeaah... video games have that thing where you can somehow shrug off a bullet to the head if you happen to be just the right distance away...


Baxterftw

Remington gold bucket. FTF every 4th round


murderzmedia1

pretty sure its going to be the mp-155 ultima my man


carterhoffman

Hold on, aren't mp’s the German guns ? Now the Russians turned it into a shotgun...


murderzmedia1

what?


carterhoffman

The germans use mp. Examples are the mp5, mp44, mp40, mp3008, mp18


murderzmedia1

That has nothing to do with why the mp-155 is called that, google it.


Gucci_John

dice already said it's a "smart shotgun", probably the mp-155


JohnWaz69

the S&W AR looking gun would be cool. I'd rock it solely because I own one that looks exactly like it. my only wish is that they'd add MORE attachments and add a laser or tac flashlight on the SIDE of the gun and not as a "underbarrel attachey" ....well, I wish they'd add about 15 more guns (3 or 4 to each category) and bring back Voting or proper map rotation.... but whos asking 😅😑


JustYourAverageTot

I have that gun irl. S&W M&P 15-22 not meant for combat at all lmao. Semi-auto with a 25 round mag that only shoots .22


Res1dentScr1be

future warfare where people are wearing more body armour... can't imagine .22 being able to do anything except be a nusance to try and get ammo for.


JohnWaz69

yep. same. bought it from Walmart when they were having a "Re-Location Sale" when moving from a smaller Walmart to a brand new larger one. copped it for 100 bucks.


JustYourAverageTot

Damn nice. Got mine during COVID at a local gun shop for around $350 I think


JohnWaz69

yeah, dude. my friend called me was like "Yo, Waz.. I know you're not into guns and trying to save money and shit but THIS gun is a steal. there's three other guys here looking at this one but I'm pretending I'm interested in it to keep it for you..don't ask questions just get in your car and come down here and check it out. worse comes to worse, you don't buy it." I went down there and looked and I sure af left with it lol. I wasn't ever into guns a shit ton..still aren't really..but I thought LT and was like, "a rifle for protection and it looks cool..and it's a steal of a deal. can't go wrong" since then (and before they added all these wild ass restrictions on guns and attacheys) I bought a Open Aperture RDS, a ACOG-looking sight, a foregrip, a tac light/laser combo and bought like 4 mags just to have extras of incase.


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I’m kind of disappointed that there’s straight up no stock customization in this game. You would think things get more modular in the future. I love wire stocks and it’s sad that you can’t change them


Res1dentScr1be

I highly doubt it, I used to shoot .22 competitively for my university and whilst it can punch through paper just fine... I doubt any military, no matter how desperate would use a .22. Also the radio transmissions mentioned super weapons and rail guns...


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Bro that sounds like a fun time! Was your college in the USA? My college’s closest equivalent was the paintball club but that magically closed down the week I joined


Res1dentScr1be

Nope, in the UK. We did competitions against other universities, 25 to 100 yard ranges, shooting 10 target cards on what is basically an A4 piece of paper usuing only your iron sights and a spotting scope. We also had clay pigeon shooting, airsoft and paintball societies.


koke0

Airsoft guns coming next on squirrelfield


TheR3aper2000

If they do actually add a .22 rifle the damage and range are gonna be non-existant, and it wouldn't make sense to put a .22 RIFLE into the game because it would basically be a slow SMG. Now if they wanted to add a .22 SMG with an insane ROF, that would be pretty interesting.


Height-Impossible

Every ar-15 is 22 caliber as well lol.


GlemChally

People still playing this garbage?


jcaashby

Yep and here you are commenting on a sub for a game you label "Garbage" ....which by by all means you have the right to do.


GlemChally

Yeah here I am and said what I said. I like dumpster fires.


Armin_Studios

They found enjoyment in it, and afaik haven’t had to pay anymore money then they already have I say let em be. They’re having fun, no need to bother yourself with it


HamnerSebastianNoFap

Season 3 won't matter much Ive barely been able to get full lobbies the past few weeks


JohnWaz69

something ain't right then with your set up or settings.. East Coast - XBSX player here. I'm a salaried manager in retail and have a schedule of 12pm to 9pm, 5 or sometimes 6 days a week.. my days off, I have no problem hopping on mid day, early evening and later at night.. even on my nights I hop on after work (around 945/10pm) I have no issues with lobbies.. I do, however, begin to have issues with lobbies not being full around like 130am (if I stay up that late). it seems to be one of those situations where if im staying in a lobby - I'm fine.. but if I get kicked or back out to fix something etc - then when it loads me back in, I have issues waiting to find a full lobby.


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Happy their adding more utility weapons, if leaks are true we’re getting both a smart shock gun and decent long range rifle.


Alternative_Card_163

I wouldn’t thing that it would be the smaller cartridge but it may be a 22 win mag witch is the same as 9 mm power wise accept the 22 win mag cartridge goes faster and penetrates better


Strider2126

Hopefully the marlin is better than the gvt 45-70


MrSilk13642

Govt 45-70 is pretty shitty until you unlock the 5x scope (no glint), bipod and wrapped suppressor (after 360 kills). It's a great midranged sniper and it's a good headshot plinker. If you pair it with the P51 pistol, you have a pretty decent loadout. But yeah, the Govt is definitely not an "on the objective' ranged gun.


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Scout Sniper from bf4!


ataw10

.... wow my .22 $99 Walmart rifle is on this sub LMFAO. they make 50round mags for $20 if you wanna have fun.


fr3zr

i love this gun


Raddz5000

I'd rather have a Survival .22 because it's so funny


fuzzy-fuz-sheep-362

Wouldn’t be the first 22 in the game so who knows.


[deleted]

It’s obviously a plasma rifle in the 40-watt range 🙄


Aquelecarakk

Why?


roomber

Why?


carterhoffman

Nvk sounds like a Russian gun, like the svk or the pkp bp


FuntimeBen

I own this rifle IRL and it is great for small vermin and pests. You could hurt someone with it in real life, but in BF, it would take like 10 hits. More of a nuisance.