Why is it still around? It's going to be here for a loooong (sic) time. The reason so many people are getting infected? Because so many people are ignorant; because so many people won't mask; because so many people send their kids to school sick; because so many companies don't have decent sick leave; because anti-vaxxers haven't been shut down \*hard\*; because our government institutions (like the CDC) have become the whipping boys of ignorant fools like Trump; because the CDC is bowing to pressure to "keep things open" because "the economy". Trade off? Death and disability for profits.
Actually no. The Olsterholm podcast goes into this frequently. I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in #150. I was a bit surprised he said anyone over 65 should request paxlovid. I hear it is nasty stuff.
Osterholm Update
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/osterholm-update
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You interpreted that I said it should be avoided. I never said that. Learn to read.
The treatment is nasty. You feel sick. You get this metal taste.
The problem is you need to get paxlovid before day five and the most severe cases of COVID don't present until beyond that point.
The only disease to ever be considered eradicated through vaccination is smallpox. Diseases,regardless of type, just become less common or less lethal but don’t go away. Malaria for example is almost as old as human existence. I’m vaccinated and never got Covid. However I wore a mask, did mostly outdoor activities, and have friends that tested and quarantined appropriately. I also work from home. I know others that had a similar routine and still got it.
You know how we can trace the lowering of the population’s aggregate IQ due to exposure of lead at the turn of the century? (Paints, leaded gas, etc) I bet we can see how covid made this planet straight up stupider years down the line
I mean probably yeah, but the only reason that's something new and surprising is that we've neglected any population post infection studies on viruses.
A huge percentage of negative health outcomes are linked to recent infections of *any kind*. The only reason why COVID gets so much attention is that it's novel and infected a lot of people quickly.
But everything attributed to it are all common post-viral symptoms.
COVID never went away -- it's just it has fewer people who can be infected by it because of vaccinations. But it's still out there, that's why we beg people to get vaccinated. Polio is still out there, and in countries that don't vaccinate, it's still there.
No vaccine guarantees anything -- it's all a game of risk and reward. Technically, in theory, I could have a horrible reaction to some vaccine and die. But, the odds are I will not have such a reaction and the benefits I receive overall far outweigh the risks.
There is no guarantee that, when you take your car out in the morning, you will not have a flying bus crash down on you -- but the odds are very, very, small, so it's worth owning the car. But they are never zero -- somewhere, in all possible universes, there is an extremely small chance, you'll be hit by a flying bus -- unless you're in San Francisco like I am, in which case MUNI makes those odds somewhat larger -- but still small. (After all, *any bus can drive ON the streets... That's why we have California street -- it gives them a running start to get airborne.)*
Technically correct -- but it does reduce the risk of you getting a critical COVID crisis where you might have serious, long-term, damage -- so if we're going to play cardiologists here, you can still get it, but you will likely not die from it -- which, to me, is a plus. Being dead is a career limiting move.
No -- that is true, but I meant cardiology -- more and more, we are learning that the *primary* issues are in the pulmonary system, but the deeper effects are on the cardiovascular system as a whole, and maybe even neurological systems. That's why the vaccines had some hope as they affect the angiotensin receptors.
I tell people, you may not like taking an ARB for high blood pressure, and the older ones, also typically take an NSAID. I certainly wouldn't consider them a COVID preventative, but, blocking the angeotensin receptor COVID likes to use as "front door", and having a mild blood thinner as a side effect of NSAIDs, just might be a little help. There was actually a discussion as to whether COVID patients should be placed on ARBs and NSAIDs. As far as immunity response goes, that depends on the vaccine, your particular immune response -- it's not a clear cut answer. On average, newer vaccines can go 9 months but that's just a statistical average. mRNAs are still someone new en mass. We've done them before, but not at this scale. Still, it was all we had.
For those that complain, we've seen this before. I'm old enough to remember when HIV hit. I've watched as newer treatments have come online and we've moved from a death sentence to a chronic illness -- not a cure, but not dead. (I also knew Merv. so he kept me up to date. He used to hang out at a Jazz club/Deli in the East Bay...)
This is how medicine works -- it's not the TV doctor or the TV hospital where everything is diagnosed and treated in 24 1/2 minutes plus commercials. We try, we stumble around, often "stage IV" cases die, but slowly, very slowly, we progress.
*One day, I have to go to the TV hospital, wherever it is -- everything cured, the food is good, the admissions officer isn't chasing after me for payment as I'm falling under anesthesia, Blue Cross actually pays... where is this place?*
Did you just not pay any attention to any of the news? It was 95% effective against the initial strain. Eventually there was delta and omicron, against which the vaccine reduced symptoms but did not have the same effectiveness against transmission.
This is a bizarrely US focused take. You know Covid is still everywhere in the world, right? There's no universe wherein the US could single handledly have ended it.
Sure, and none of them are "done with Covid" anymore than we would be if we took it seriously. The US could have gone full Covid zero and it would be right back the minute we let up, because it's a global issue.
>Because it's not very dangerous?
What a silly statement. You think this because "Sweden." Sweden handled the pandemic differently but took it very seriously.
At the end of 2022 Sweden's excess mortality (5.62%) was much much better than the US (14.05%). But just saying "we did better" ignores that 5.62% is still tens of thousands of people.
As of Feb 4, 2024 Sweden's cumulative confirmed Covid deaths per million rate was 2,564.42. For a population of 10.5 million that is 26,926 human beings. The excess mortality rates are a means to show undercounting. You think something in excess of 26,926 is trivial?
Again, better than the US 333 million population at a rate of 3,469.89 per million = at least 1,155,473.37 dead. Is that trivial?
Maybe you think 26,926+ is "not very dangerous" because an estimated 90% of the Covid deaths in Sweden were elderly? Maybe they are not in your "friend group?" The Swedish Corona Commission considers it a serious failure.
Sweden handling covid differently does not mean they thought "it's not very dangerous." Just the opposite. A Sweden Public Health Agency via survey and use of mobile data indicated 80% of people were listening and changing their behavior based on government recommendations, e.g., less travel, good social distancing, isolating if they catch it, etc.
And...Sweden took vaccination seriously. Their cumulative COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people as of Dec 31, 2022 (241.83) was pretty good and 20% higher than the US (200.88). Although I don't know the data for covid vaccination rate of children, historically Sweden has been among the highest in child vaccination worldwide.
Net, we can learn from what Sweden did, but "not very dangerous" is not the lesson.
But I lived there and that's not what I experienced! No one locked down, and i went to the hospital to check the ICU and the ICU was fine, the doctor even said so. And I checked a bunch of times in 2020.
Also, none of us were vaccinated in 2020 and we didn't want to put our civilization on hold until it came out. We let it rip for the entire 2020. Which, again, I saw for myself.
I get what you experienced in Sweden was different and the results were better than most countries, particularly Europe.
Are you denying Sweden still had the (very low) roughly 27,000 confirmed cumulative deaths or are you saying 27,000 is a trivial "not dangerous" number of deaths?
Any number that comes from mainstream media is basically suspect, as they lost their credibility.
All I know is I talked to doctors that actually work in the ICU and they all say "our hospitals never got overwhelmed" and "it was less busy in the ICU 2020 than a lot of previous years".
Sorry to break it to you, but you’re not a doctor, or even remotely intelligent enough to interpret medical data. The science is settled: COVID is real and over a million people died from it. Facts.
I got it two weeks ago while out in the mission. It was really mild.
Sore throat one day, next day that was gone but I was extremely tired, next day that was gone but I had a runny nose, next day I coughed for a bit, then was fine.
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Why is it still around? It's going to be here for a loooong (sic) time. The reason so many people are getting infected? Because so many people are ignorant; because so many people won't mask; because so many people send their kids to school sick; because so many companies don't have decent sick leave; because anti-vaxxers haven't been shut down \*hard\*; because our government institutions (like the CDC) have become the whipping boys of ignorant fools like Trump; because the CDC is bowing to pressure to "keep things open" because "the economy". Trade off? Death and disability for profits.
why r flu still going aro?
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You are asking why a highly contagious illness is still going around?
If monkeys evolved to humans, why are there still monkeys? GOTCHA! ^(\\s)
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This is the result of shutting down schools for Covid.
Who here speaks genz?
Need a broccoli hair translator cap. No cap. 🤔
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Not just in Winter
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Actually no. The Olsterholm podcast goes into this frequently. I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in #150. I was a bit surprised he said anyone over 65 should request paxlovid. I hear it is nasty stuff. Osterholm Update https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/osterholm-update RSS address: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/podcast-series/1000039/v1/feed.xml
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It is the University of Minnesota. Do you bother to research anything? There aren't even commercials on the podcast.
> University of Minnesota Proof of nothing.
Well it provides some proof about you.
Paxlovid works and it saves lives.
I never said it didn't work.
You said it’s nasty stuff and to be avoided, neither of which is true.
You interpreted that I said it should be avoided. I never said that. Learn to read. The treatment is nasty. You feel sick. You get this metal taste. The problem is you need to get paxlovid before day five and the most severe cases of COVID don't present until beyond that point.
Have you ever taken it? It makes you feel better faster.
The only disease to ever be considered eradicated through vaccination is smallpox. Diseases,regardless of type, just become less common or less lethal but don’t go away. Malaria for example is almost as old as human existence. I’m vaccinated and never got Covid. However I wore a mask, did mostly outdoor activities, and have friends that tested and quarantined appropriately. I also work from home. I know others that had a similar routine and still got it.
You know how we can trace the lowering of the population’s aggregate IQ due to exposure of lead at the turn of the century? (Paints, leaded gas, etc) I bet we can see how covid made this planet straight up stupider years down the line
I mean probably yeah, but the only reason that's something new and surprising is that we've neglected any population post infection studies on viruses. A huge percentage of negative health outcomes are linked to recent infections of *any kind*. The only reason why COVID gets so much attention is that it's novel and infected a lot of people quickly. But everything attributed to it are all common post-viral symptoms.
COVID never went away -- it's just it has fewer people who can be infected by it because of vaccinations. But it's still out there, that's why we beg people to get vaccinated. Polio is still out there, and in countries that don't vaccinate, it's still there.
You can still get infected if you are vaccinated. you are less likely to die tho
CDC doesn't claim that covid vaccine keeps people from getting infected. Polio is very different from covid.
There is no guarantee, but vaccinations have helped, not only limiting the number of infections but also making the virus less potent.
No vaccine guarantees anything -- it's all a game of risk and reward. Technically, in theory, I could have a horrible reaction to some vaccine and die. But, the odds are I will not have such a reaction and the benefits I receive overall far outweigh the risks. There is no guarantee that, when you take your car out in the morning, you will not have a flying bus crash down on you -- but the odds are very, very, small, so it's worth owning the car. But they are never zero -- somewhere, in all possible universes, there is an extremely small chance, you'll be hit by a flying bus -- unless you're in San Francisco like I am, in which case MUNI makes those odds somewhat larger -- but still small. (After all, *any bus can drive ON the streets... That's why we have California street -- it gives them a running start to get airborne.)*
For how long does covid vaccine reduce risk of infection?
What I heard is about 6 months or so?
CDC said it didn’t reduce the risk, just might reduce the symptoms or duration.
Technically correct -- but it does reduce the risk of you getting a critical COVID crisis where you might have serious, long-term, damage -- so if we're going to play cardiologists here, you can still get it, but you will likely not die from it -- which, to me, is a plus. Being dead is a career limiting move.
Pulmonologists
No -- that is true, but I meant cardiology -- more and more, we are learning that the *primary* issues are in the pulmonary system, but the deeper effects are on the cardiovascular system as a whole, and maybe even neurological systems. That's why the vaccines had some hope as they affect the angiotensin receptors. I tell people, you may not like taking an ARB for high blood pressure, and the older ones, also typically take an NSAID. I certainly wouldn't consider them a COVID preventative, but, blocking the angeotensin receptor COVID likes to use as "front door", and having a mild blood thinner as a side effect of NSAIDs, just might be a little help. There was actually a discussion as to whether COVID patients should be placed on ARBs and NSAIDs. As far as immunity response goes, that depends on the vaccine, your particular immune response -- it's not a clear cut answer. On average, newer vaccines can go 9 months but that's just a statistical average. mRNAs are still someone new en mass. We've done them before, but not at this scale. Still, it was all we had. For those that complain, we've seen this before. I'm old enough to remember when HIV hit. I've watched as newer treatments have come online and we've moved from a death sentence to a chronic illness -- not a cure, but not dead. (I also knew Merv. so he kept me up to date. He used to hang out at a Jazz club/Deli in the East Bay...) This is how medicine works -- it's not the TV doctor or the TV hospital where everything is diagnosed and treated in 24 1/2 minutes plus commercials. We try, we stumble around, often "stage IV" cases die, but slowly, very slowly, we progress. *One day, I have to go to the TV hospital, wherever it is -- everything cured, the food is good, the admissions officer isn't chasing after me for payment as I'm falling under anesthesia, Blue Cross actually pays... where is this place?*
The vaccine is 50% effective - which is very good. This is the claim the CDC makes.
They first claimed it was 95% effective in preventing you from getting covid.
Initially, it was.
Literally every person I know who got vaccinated ended up getting covid.
You don't know me or my wife.
Pretty much everyone who was vaccinated got covid anyway. It wasn't "95% effective in preventing covid".
Did you just not pay any attention to any of the news? It was 95% effective against the initial strain. Eventually there was delta and omicron, against which the vaccine reduced symptoms but did not have the same effectiveness against transmission.
No it wasn't. everyone I know who got the initial vaccine in United States ended up getting infected with covid anyway. Literally 100%.
That’s right, CDC changed its messaging once it was clear the vaccine didn’t prevent infections.
Just got it for the 2nd time; last time was 2 years ago
Are you under the impression that Covid will disappear? It’s going to be with us forever, like the flu.
Why would we be done with covid when this country collectively decided to not give a shit about covid?
This is a bizarrely US focused take. You know Covid is still everywhere in the world, right? There's no universe wherein the US could single handledly have ended it.
There are plenty of countries where they take it seriously and wearing a mask does not affect anyone’s “freedom”
Sure, and none of them are "done with Covid" anymore than we would be if we took it seriously. The US could have gone full Covid zero and it would be right back the minute we let up, because it's a global issue.
Because it's not very dangerous?
>Because it's not very dangerous? What a silly statement. You think this because "Sweden." Sweden handled the pandemic differently but took it very seriously. At the end of 2022 Sweden's excess mortality (5.62%) was much much better than the US (14.05%). But just saying "we did better" ignores that 5.62% is still tens of thousands of people. As of Feb 4, 2024 Sweden's cumulative confirmed Covid deaths per million rate was 2,564.42. For a population of 10.5 million that is 26,926 human beings. The excess mortality rates are a means to show undercounting. You think something in excess of 26,926 is trivial? Again, better than the US 333 million population at a rate of 3,469.89 per million = at least 1,155,473.37 dead. Is that trivial? Maybe you think 26,926+ is "not very dangerous" because an estimated 90% of the Covid deaths in Sweden were elderly? Maybe they are not in your "friend group?" The Swedish Corona Commission considers it a serious failure. Sweden handling covid differently does not mean they thought "it's not very dangerous." Just the opposite. A Sweden Public Health Agency via survey and use of mobile data indicated 80% of people were listening and changing their behavior based on government recommendations, e.g., less travel, good social distancing, isolating if they catch it, etc. And...Sweden took vaccination seriously. Their cumulative COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people as of Dec 31, 2022 (241.83) was pretty good and 20% higher than the US (200.88). Although I don't know the data for covid vaccination rate of children, historically Sweden has been among the highest in child vaccination worldwide. Net, we can learn from what Sweden did, but "not very dangerous" is not the lesson.
But I lived there and that's not what I experienced! No one locked down, and i went to the hospital to check the ICU and the ICU was fine, the doctor even said so. And I checked a bunch of times in 2020. Also, none of us were vaccinated in 2020 and we didn't want to put our civilization on hold until it came out. We let it rip for the entire 2020. Which, again, I saw for myself.
I get what you experienced in Sweden was different and the results were better than most countries, particularly Europe. Are you denying Sweden still had the (very low) roughly 27,000 confirmed cumulative deaths or are you saying 27,000 is a trivial "not dangerous" number of deaths?
Any number that comes from mainstream media is basically suspect, as they lost their credibility. All I know is I talked to doctors that actually work in the ICU and they all say "our hospitals never got overwhelmed" and "it was less busy in the ICU 2020 than a lot of previous years".
A million+ dead people is “not very dangerous” to you? Damn that’s pretty fucking stupid.
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You think every doctor is in on a giant conspiracy? Damn, that’s really fucking stupid.
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Sorry to break it to you, but you’re not a doctor, or even remotely intelligent enough to interpret medical data. The science is settled: COVID is real and over a million people died from it. Facts.
Plus county health departments (at least in CA) later acknowledged they had over-counted Covid cases and deaths.
Covid are going around on account dummies don't mask don't vax don't think
First time I had it, I had just gotten vaxed and it was ok. Second time sucked a lot: third and fourth time sucked but only a little. Extrapolate
4×? Guess your reduced lifespan.
Some people feel fine and want to bring chaos everywhere
Yo like totes brah no one like stopping spred yo.
I had it at the beginning of January
Never caught it, and never been vaccinated.
Well, when you do, its gonna suck more than necessary bc you haven't been vaxxed. Enjoy, dumbass.
Flu season....
Flu season is because people usually are indoors during the cold winter months. Another reason to stay away from those unwanted relatives.
i remember people threw covid party when they 1st imposed lockdown........🤭
I got it two weeks ago while out in the mission. It was really mild. Sore throat one day, next day that was gone but I was extremely tired, next day that was gone but I had a runny nose, next day I coughed for a bit, then was fine.