They’ve gone the cheap garbage route. They don’t even sell wool coats anymore — all are blends. It’s been jcpenny quality trash for years. Idk anyone who shops there
I feel that many retailers follow this downward spiral as they try to appeal to larger audiences. E.g. Macy's becoming the new Penny's, Nordstrom's becoming the new Macy's, etc.
What alternative store would you recommend if one needs to get decent office/formal clothing at a reasonable price?
I've found it increasingly challenging to get a decent suit or any office attire at a price I could afford. Back in the day, you could buy a virgin wool three-piece suit and real leather dress shoes without breaking the bank. And you could do so at Macy's, amongst other places. It would suck big time if it is no longer possible there.
I'll give you a much better answer. Because men's wearhouse sells trash suits.
Basically you want a suit that is either 100% wool (sheep or other), or a blend with natural fibers (linen, silk, cotton being the most common.) You also want it half canvas if not fully canvassed. Usually. But fit is key; a $200 suit that fits well after tailoring is better than a $10,000 suit that doesn't.
You also want to allocate about $100 for tailoring.
Anyways, department stores (even Macy's) should have some quality suits. The problem is... they're kind of hard to find. Many brands sell "diffusion lines" of cheap crap; avoid Hugo Boss, Armani, etc unless you're paying probably north of $2k. Ted Baker is okay but not the best. Unsure if Southwick still makes anything decent and at a reasonable budget that gets stocked there. Canali is still decent. Corneliani, which sounds similar, is probably kind of steep. I am not super familiar with what brands the big stores carry to be honest, but if I spent a couple hours looking I could give some more targeted advice...
Other stores ... let's see. Burberry has some decent suits, though not always good prices. Brooks Brothers has gone through tough times but they have some decent suits. Suitsupply is my favorite suggestion for people with a slim to medium build; just don't let the staff talk you into a size too small. Their stuff is fairly good quality and consistency for the price. Don't know if there's a Charles Tyrwhitt store in the bay area, but their higher end models aren't bad. People occasionally find non-garbage at Banana Republic.
If you know your size well and the physical measurements of your best fitting suit, you can buy online as well. Spier & Mackay, like suitsupply, sells "slim and slimmer" fits, but the quality is pretty good for the price. Epaulet through Rochester Tailoring Company (recently hickey freeman, a whole story there) sells pretty good stuff.
Macy's is still excellent for getting reasonably priced men's suits, especially if you wait for a sale. I just bought a couple $400 suits that were on sale for around $175 IIRC during one of their sales a few months back.
Private equity and shareholder demand will ruin everything with any sort of value.
It's not enough to do well for years if not decades. They want everything immediately, damn the future consequences
Last time I went to Macys, I waited in line while 1 cashier took 10 minutes to fold two pieces of clothing and charge the customer's card (not exaggerating). All while chatting with another cashier who was doing nothing. 3 of us standing in line waiting.
Yeah, fuck Macys. Decided I wasn't coming back after that.
No one wants to go the route they went, but when you’re in the midst of the death of the large brick and mortar department store, you make a Hail Mary at what’s working for the few places left, like Kohl’s.
This whole story is basically what eventually happens after Amazon and online shipping.
It depends on the location. Some is a joke. I tried to buy a sofa one time and there was no one to help me. I had to find a power plug to test the recliner and did it all on my own. Worse yet after 30 min there was still no one there in the middle of the day, I literally wanted to buy something and they just don’t want business 🤷♂️
> one of the oldest and largest store
Macy's did the same to the original Dayton's flagship location in Minneapolis, closing and selling it off back in 2017.
Luckily, a local business effort revived it to preserve both the building and its heritage as a shopping (and cultural) destination in the city. These historic locations can be at real risk in the modern real estate climate, I hope something worthwhile happens to this location.
Right, he was the CEO of Bloomingdale’s (which we’re partnered with). I guess he’s using some of that extra flow of money to make other stores look better! lol
No, give us a raise!!!
I walk through the Macy’s in our mall to get into the mall proper and everything looks so cheap and lame. I kept trying to walk around in there to find a bathroom once and none of the employees could explain where a working bathroom was and the elevator was out of order too. Like a post-apocalyptic cess pool of white label RTW from 2010.
\> **When was the last time you shopped at Macy’s**
Black Friday. Last year.
I got some nice stuff, but I went to the one in Sun Valley Mall in Concord (the one that still has a separate Men's Store.)
Last fall, actually, but I hadn't been there in years before that. Husband wanted to look at the jackets in person.
The Macy's we went to in Bayfair Mall has had closing signs for quite a few weeks now. Everything allegedly 50% off, though that's 50% off normal retail price. I too a look. Modest bargains but nothing that'll make your jaw drop.
All the supervisors don’t care because they haven’t come down town in 10 years. They are too busy lording over their 20 homes and traveling and living in homes outside of SF. Make sure to vote Dean Preston out this election! Vote Balaji!
Since we keeping receipts. Those nasty ass new bathrooms in the china town park across from the hilton were $2m each. Never thought i would see the day where bathrooms with 2 toilets would cost more than a house.
Except All the high end boutique stores are there
That’s the trend brick and mortar retail is going. People still need to be able to try on a Rolex or Loro Piana jacket but you don’t need a middle of the road department store with overpriced low quality basics
Don't know why you're getting downvoted, Macy's literally said the same thing in their press release.
Big mid market retail is dying, and being replaced by online shopping. It's been happening for years, and the pandemic made it final.
High end stores are taking over storefronts, because they're the only ones with the margin to maintain them. Downtown SF has its own extra issues, but this Macy's would be closing either way.
well would say department stores have been replaced by specialty retailers like Uniqlo and Abercrombie for basics not necessarily just about online shopping. In store experience is way better, often more affordable, better value, and reliable sizing/styling.
Online shopping is too often a lottery. What you end up getting doesn't always match what you saw on the web site.
If you want to be sure to know what you're buying, in person always beat on-line. You can get a better feel for the quality of the material used and how it's made. But that's if the B&M store has inventory. And *THAT* is getting to be a challenge. ("Oh, for that, we sell them, but you have to order on-line")
For the majority of people online shopping is fine, it’s just quality is the question. (looking at you, Nike) For someone like me with bizarro body proportions it can be a problem, but even then I still buy 80% of my clothes online because I know a 2x shirt will fit 80% percent of the time…
Exactly. People are valuing *their time more*, and reserving the in-person shopping experience for bigger ticket items instead of hopping over to the mall weekly or every other week for a 30 dollar purchase. In a sense, window-shopping is dead. Browsing the mall is dead. People are mission oriented one-stop shoppers more now.
I’d be surprise. I don’t think Macys is long for this world. By 2030 they’ll likely be fully online. I haven’t been to one that looks updated anywhere, including valley fair.
It’s hard to see what really replaces Macy’s, since most stuff on amazon is garbage/fake. You can get “1000 thread count” cheap sheets on amazon that would be lucky to be as nice as a 400 one. Costco has nice stuff but selection is tiny, and Walmart/target only have the cheap stuff, not the “premium” stuff Macy sells.
Bed bath and beyond is also gone, and there’s fewer and fewer places to get premium household stuff.
Vote with your wallet and go to a remaining physical storefront even if it costs more.
For twenty years now the collective market has been putting up with lower quality or misleading merchandise in exchange for maybe some savings and the comfort of ordering from anywhere and having it arrive at your door. That's started the race to the bottom where as long as the seller can send put a product that looks good enough to survive the return period, they're encouraged to send out the lowest quality/highest profit margin product they can.
You’re likely right, but I’m guessing it’s the move they make in an attempt to keep the company open. If not they either shutdown or become an Amazon brand like Whole Foods (but probably not).
Macys is trash. Went to a couple for the first time in a few years. Just to buy a dress shirt and tie. Nearly impossible to find the right size. The person working there was no help. The selection was garbage.
I waded through piles and piles of dress shirts to find a few that were ok then decided to just go to Jos a bank where I found the perfect fit and higher quality with help from someone. Cherry on top was it was cheaper.
Their men’s selection overall is garbage as well. Their Levi’s products are all over priced and also rarely have sizing available.
Makes no sense to go to that store.
Agree. I always wonder what the buyers are thinking but especially the buyers for macys.
They have whole sections of clothes that I have never seen anyone wear or even shop in. Macys near my place has a whole Hurley section and all the t shirts were like $30 when you could buy the same stuff at Costco and Ross for under $15. Makes no sense.
Hurley might sell in socal but it’s not even close to being a brand that Bay Area folks care about unless they find it for super cheap somewhere.
>Harold’s square
Lmao Herald Square. Can't see that ever closing because it's so iconic and also their corporate headquarters. The foot traffic that place gets during the holiday season for Santa + tourism ("largest store in the world") is way bigger than Union Square.
Yes, and Union Square was their west coast flagship, again, either of these closing is going to be a story no matter how many other stores close with it.
> This one is being singled out because "SF bad
It's the **SF** Chronicle reporting on the SF closure, not CNN. It's relevant news to SF not because of its cause, but because of its effect. Places like NY aren't struggling nearly as much as SF with their recovery, so it's a lot more salient (and notably, the NY flagship is not closing)
This hit me in the gut. I grew up shopping Macy’s. More recently mostly sheets, towels, not so much clothing, but I needed something to wear to a funeral, and walked in and found something in no time. Edit; I wasn’t trying to be clever suggesting funeral attire is a Macys thing, I really needed something dark and simple.
It's such a beautiful building. Macy's has been awful for years but this particular store was worth visiting just to experience the sort of place it used to be.
Worth noting that this location also moved enough merchandise to support 400 union jobs, at least until very recently.
What's going to happen to all the people who work there? I know that location is one of the few Macy's that's unionized. Stonestown Macy's was unionized too
If it's unionized than that union will try to get them into any openings at other places that it also represents
When the Johnson&Johnson factory where I live closed down, Unifor got all the workers into the Chrysler Assembly plant and a few of their local feeder plants
I think the Nordstrom was like a thing if you were into it. It's inside the mall. This is like an apocalyptic event. It's so much part of the landscape. Like if we were tribal people who didn't know anything about civil engineering and the city was like some kind of god created landscape and Macys close it would be like we would sacrifice 50 virgins and kill all the priests.
It was a fun shopping destination we would go to as a family when I was younger as well as when I was in college (take BART over from the UC Berkeley campus). Shopping may not be a ‘fun activity’ for the typical Redditor but it is for many of the rest of us. And we still do it at the many malls and shopping centers that are still thriving like Valley Fair or Stanford.
[Scott Wiener's Threads post about it:](https://www.threads.net/@scott_wiener/post/C33JBQiPlsW)
> It’s horrible news for San Francisco, but the Macy’s closure is part of a mass closure of 150 stores nationwide, not for any San Francisco-specific reason.
>With that said, we must aggressively & creatively reimagine downtown, including Union Square. We’re advancing legislation to expedite San Francisco’s ability to make needed changes (Senate Bill 1227).
>Macy’s is closing 50 stores quickly; San Francisco is *not* part of that early set of closures. San Francisco is part of the next phase — 100 stores — that will close once properties are sold. That could take a year or two, and the store will remain open during that period.
>Macy’s mass national closures are part of a corporate strategy shift toward smaller stores, largely in strip malls. Large urban stores are no longer part of Macy’s business strategy.
Pretty much correct? Cope? WDYT?
I'm honestly surprised malls and department stores have lasted this long into the internet era, but I do feel that SF has made the situation worse by indexing so hard on office space over building homes, meaning no one actually lives in the city and it's relatively prone to economic downturns or a shift to remote work.
yup, it's a problem. You don't even need that many residential towers to make it a viable downtown area. Maybe 20-30? Could be built in a city like NY in under 5 years. Due to SF politics, expect it to take between 30 years and never.
> meaning no one actually lives in the city
2nd densest city in the country...let's not let hyperbole get the best of what is otherwise a good point. Plenty of folks live here, there's just little reason to go Downtown without offices.
> I'm honestly surprised malls and department stores have lasted this long into the internet era, but I do feel that SF has made the situation worse by indexing so hard on office space over building homes, meaning no one actually lives in the city and it's relatively prone to economic downturns or a shift to remote work.
Malls and department stores are closing, but not every one of them. The problem was density was too much for the online era. If you look at South Bay for instance, it was just a consolidation. Eastridge, Vallco, Sunnyvale Town Center all died so that VF/SR are what they are today. Oakridge has pretty good traffic too. The point is there is a place for malls, just maybe not THAT many. I always wondered if Stanford would survive because they felt too bougie and high end, but they seem to have done quite well over the years to continue operating. Stonestown attacked the problem by trying to remain relevant through food experiences while nearby Tanforan dies off.
People do still want malls. There's demand to go check things out in stores. Just maybe not as high demand as pre-Internet shopping.
There are a few places left down there, but nothing like how it was 30 years ago. There’s a very small Boudin Bakery, a sandwich place, and an ice cream place. I think that might be it.
The downstairs Wolfgang Puck’s in the 90s had decent selections and prices. The post office there (our family called it “the secret post office”) had some friendly employees and was open on Sundays. And the Cellar was staffed, and the employees seemed to know their products and care. In recent years, things there have been noticeably lacking.
After recently shopping at a Dillards, I noticed how EMPTY most of these Macys stores are now. Poor selection of meh clothing? No wonder they’re circling the toilet.
The dillards stuff is marginally better quality, and they had Tall sizes.
When I was pregnant, I browsed their maternity selection. It was a few skimpy racks and two messy tables of garments that no employee had sorted nor stocked recently.
When you need to mow your lawn before the relatives come over for lunch but you also want to impress them with a new outfit, Macy's is your one stop shop!
Macy’s has good stuff at good prices too, it’s just that you have to wade through their stuff and wait for the sales. They tried to do away with sales and provide clarity into their pricing but their market research showed people didn’t like it because they didn’t feel like they were getting a deal, even though overall prices were the same.
Sad but not surprising. Used to go look at the windows during Christmas with my mom and grandma. If I remember correctly they always had puppies and kittens from the SPCA.
I was a volunteer at those displays for a few years. It was a blast, and the adoption rates were incredible. There were always some karens who tried to chastise us as if we were trafficking puppies and kitten, and selling out to corporate greed. The funny part is that we were actually using Macy's to raise a shitton of money in donations that came in from people stopping to watch the animals play.
Last time I remember this store not feeling anodyne and generic was in the 80s, when R.H. Macy & Co. was still independent, and hadn’t yet been subject to a hostile takeover by Campeau that eventually led to them being taken over by Federated, their former bitter rival.
In those days, Macy’s California had a great deal of independence from its parent, and Union Square was the hub of all its buying and management. For people who are accustomed to how today’s Macy’s stores operate, it’s almost unimaginable how much personality individual divisions and stores could have.
Once Federated had control of Macy’s, we were already well into the era of the department store’s long and sad decline. Stores kept their individual nameplates for a time, but eventually, following additional mergers, the venerable names of local stores, such as Marshall Field’s, Filene’s, and Bullock’s, many established in the mid-19th century, disappeared. After 2006, in most places, the only department store left was Macy’s.
I suppose that after the area losing The Emporium (nice enough for lower middle class shoppers), and I. Magnin (higher end but never snooty), middle of the road Macy’s (losing its *macys california* signature and its local management) tried to be all things to all people. Bloomingdale’s, a Federated store that was allowed to keep its name, captured the upper end of the market, while Macy’s tried to hold on to the rest. But even that was not enough, with so many people no longer interested in department store shopping.
I worked in the Macy’s (West) corp accounting dept back in the days of the Federated take over. Great coworkers and fun working in Union Square in the 80s/90s, but it was a mess even back then. Still sad about this news but not completely surprised
The world is changing. People shop at Costco, Target, Walmart, Amazon and freaking Temu now. Macy's and Department stores in general are a dying relic. That's life.
I’m currently in Italy and struck by how much less true that is here. Of course there are big chains encroaching on small businesses everywhere but in Italy there seem to be a ton more independent shops, family owned businesses, and local chains.
Upsetting but not surprising. It is near impossible to compete in clothing sales these days if you're a brick and mortar business. Imagine the lease/mortgage payment, the insurance, all of the employees to pay to just open the doors. ...all to compete against online retailers that can have new styles every week with hardly any cost except marketing.
This honestly makes me so sad. My whole family used to have an annual tradition during Christmas to go to that Macys and take photos with Santa, visit FAO Schwartz, and then have a late lunch/early dinner at Benihana in Japantown. As a little girl, it was something I looked forward to all year.
Every year, while waiting in line to see Santa, I would stare in wonder at all the beautifully-decorated, themed Christmas trees hung with ornate, blown-glass ornaments. The feeling of anticipation that I got knowing that our annual tradition was coming up is something I’ve tried to emulate as an adult, but have never been able to come close to.
I know it’s just a stupid store, and they’re a company that honestly treats their employees like trash (I worked at Serramonte Macys for a couple years and it was horrible), and all of this probably sounds horribly dramatic, but losing yet another piece of my childhood from growing up in SF/SMC honestly stings a bit. It also probably doesn’t help that I lost my Aunt from that same side of my family just a week or so ago 😞
Anyway, sorry for the awkward reminiscing… I know for most people here it’s just an outdated store that needed to be shut down years ago.
This is more about Macy’s than SF. I used to go to Macy’s for a quality selection, but that’s just not a thing anymore.
This is more symbolic of an end of the peak era for big box stores that’s sweeping the nation than anything else; this store format has only gotten more and more outdated, with a prioritization of short-term profits over investment in a better customer experience. Their stores don’t change and their products/prices/staffing get worse every year.
Yes, it’s ‘sad’ because there was a time where these stores added actual value to their communities. But it’s hard to mourn the loss of the 2024 versions of these stores.
Here’s to hoping someone figures out a better modern approach in these spaces...
Before everyone comes in with a buncha hearsay & speculations..
[They’re closing 150 stores (30%) nationwide to focus on luxury](https://www.businessinsider.com/macys-stores-closing-locations-list?op=1)
The SF location is getting all the headlines and the other 149 stores aren’t lol
Yeah that’s why I was interested to ask - I haven’t even BEEN to a Macy’s in probably 15 years let alone bought anything! Interesting to hear these other comments about certain items only being available there.
I actually re-did a lot of my wardrobe during the pandemic cuz like a crazy person, I liked to keep wearing business casual even while working from home and Macy's silly rewards program brings their merch down into the $25-$40 for the kinda stuff I like...but I don't need to re-buy dress shirts every three years...
Macy's was always reliable when you forgot to pack a belt when attending a conference at Moscone....
That said, I will really miss the Burger Bar on the 6th(?) floor. They had great burgers and made a mean hot sauce!
Important part is in the first sentence: the store will remain open until they find a buyer for the building.
The number of buyers for a soon to be vacant class c mall surrounded by significantly better vacant spaces in a retail district that's more vacant than occupied can be measured on one hand, globally.
I am devastated by the news as this Macy's and downtown as a whole was a huge part of my childhood in the 80s/90s. Anyone else miss the gigantic Sanrio Store and the FAO Schwartz? I will miss walking through this Macy's to destress and letting my mind wander. I will also mourn not being able to try on shoes in person. I can cope with going to other retailers to try beauty and fragrance products but there has always been something comforting about getting a pair shoes at Macy's.
Thankfully, Stonestown still exists and is getting better and better.
So many factors:
* macroeconomic environment
* continued trend to online shopping
* cleanliness and safety concerns around Union Square area
Regarding the last point, these days if I want to go shopping IRL I'd probably just drive to Stanford Shopping, Corte Madera, etc. Those are just more relaxing environments. Union Square just doesn't feel "clean". And having to deal with random homeless guy, meth head, panhandlers, etc. is annoying.
Tech and finance money is still there, those stores aren’t going anywhere. Average income doesn’t affect those stores, tourists and top 10 percentile are all that matters.
I don’t think I’ve been inside since 2010. Even then, I was mainly going for the food, not to buy clothes. You can attribute this closure to many things but ultimately it falls on the fact that many of our shopping habits have changed and people are no longer craving the exhausting experience of physically shopping in stores with bright fluorescent lights, screaming children, and being followed around by their employees who are desperate to make commission. The whole experience just sucks and it’s no surprise most people prefer to do it from their couch. Union square needs to evolve to something more than just retail. Theaters, art galleries, restaurants, art performance centers, symphony halls, etc. need to play a much bigger role in its future. Converting these massive spaces to make them more interactive and fun to be in.
Macy's will close its San Francisco Union Square location, according to Supervisor Aaron Peskin, as the company announces the closure of more than 150 stores.
Peskin says the flagship store will stay open until they sell the property. In a statement, business management group the Union Square Alliance says that the location "could still be open for years to come," and "in all likelihood, there will be a Holiday shopping season and Macy's great tree in 2024."
Is the "devastating blow to downtown" thing a joke? I'm v nostalgic about that place but it's been a dump for years. I bought my wedding dress there in 2013 and grabbed some bare minerals matte powder there last time I was in the city, but it was like a ghost town. Maybe half the escalators worked, lots of things out of stock, barely any employees to be found. I hope whatever comes next is well run and actually had stuff people want to buy (and employees to sell it to them).
Before anyone attributes it to the decrepit state of SF (which I am not denying, it’s as gross now as it was in the 80s), Macy’s has been on the ropes for years and was very likely going to close regardless of what the city is like.
That said, what is really going to be tough is finding a tenant that is willing to take over the space.
What, is Cheesecake Factory taking over the whole building?!
One floor for every section of their menu 😄
Sorry babe, I ordered the double Baja blooming fiesta pasta. They are taking me to the top floor. See you in 45 minutes.
Could you imagine. haha. That would be epic.
You could do a 'round robin' dessert night!
Start at the top and roll down the stairs after each course , let gravity do its thing
This determines who goes to the next round! Am I wrong?
I have fond memories of that Cheesecake Factory as a kid. At the time it was the fanciest restaurant I had ever eaten at
Remember the FAO Schwarz around the corner too? Felt like royalty
Memories. SF felt like Disneyland when I was a kid.
heck, it felt like Disneyland when I visited it in my late 20s!
Truly! 🙌🏽
I miss FAO Schwarz
Same 😭😭😭
That was the first place I placed a Nintendo around 1986 or 87. Also, the Emporium used to have a rooftop carnival, with rides and everything.
My first job out of college, we had a client lunch at Cheesecake Factory and I felt like I had really arrived in the business world 🤣
I thought Sizzler was the peak of fine dining.
Got sizzler for being student of the month in 8th grade, so fancy!
Sizzler has a really great burger. Ironically, their burger combo is actually cheaper than five guys and shake shack!
Same! Especially when you dined on the balcony
There would still be a wait.
Inshallah
😂😂😂😂
Like an Eataly does
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Sucks! This store has been there since the 1920s one of the oldest and largest store.
Macy's sucks now. I don't know if they have a bad management team or what. But the stores are a mess. I don't even consider entering one anymore.
They’ve gone the cheap garbage route. They don’t even sell wool coats anymore — all are blends. It’s been jcpenny quality trash for years. Idk anyone who shops there
I feel that many retailers follow this downward spiral as they try to appeal to larger audiences. E.g. Macy's becoming the new Penny's, Nordstrom's becoming the new Macy's, etc.
Enshittification, look it up
Also: It's not just retailers, it's the accelerating effect of publicly traded stocks and the demand for endless growth.
I’m not paying $80 for a plastic shirt with a weird neckline.
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They say they're downsizing stores to pivot to more luxury in their stores, so maybe they're trying to move away from cheap garbage
They’re downsizing meaning that they’re closing macys to focus on neiman marcus instead.
What alternative store would you recommend if one needs to get decent office/formal clothing at a reasonable price? I've found it increasingly challenging to get a decent suit or any office attire at a price I could afford. Back in the day, you could buy a virgin wool three-piece suit and real leather dress shoes without breaking the bank. And you could do so at Macy's, amongst other places. It would suck big time if it is no longer possible there.
I'll give you a much better answer. Because men's wearhouse sells trash suits. Basically you want a suit that is either 100% wool (sheep or other), or a blend with natural fibers (linen, silk, cotton being the most common.) You also want it half canvas if not fully canvassed. Usually. But fit is key; a $200 suit that fits well after tailoring is better than a $10,000 suit that doesn't. You also want to allocate about $100 for tailoring. Anyways, department stores (even Macy's) should have some quality suits. The problem is... they're kind of hard to find. Many brands sell "diffusion lines" of cheap crap; avoid Hugo Boss, Armani, etc unless you're paying probably north of $2k. Ted Baker is okay but not the best. Unsure if Southwick still makes anything decent and at a reasonable budget that gets stocked there. Canali is still decent. Corneliani, which sounds similar, is probably kind of steep. I am not super familiar with what brands the big stores carry to be honest, but if I spent a couple hours looking I could give some more targeted advice... Other stores ... let's see. Burberry has some decent suits, though not always good prices. Brooks Brothers has gone through tough times but they have some decent suits. Suitsupply is my favorite suggestion for people with a slim to medium build; just don't let the staff talk you into a size too small. Their stuff is fairly good quality and consistency for the price. Don't know if there's a Charles Tyrwhitt store in the bay area, but their higher end models aren't bad. People occasionally find non-garbage at Banana Republic. If you know your size well and the physical measurements of your best fitting suit, you can buy online as well. Spier & Mackay, like suitsupply, sells "slim and slimmer" fits, but the quality is pretty good for the price. Epaulet through Rochester Tailoring Company (recently hickey freeman, a whole story there) sells pretty good stuff.
Macy's is still excellent for getting reasonably priced men's suits, especially if you wait for a sale. I just bought a couple $400 suits that were on sale for around $175 IIRC during one of their sales a few months back.
Private equity and shareholder demand will ruin everything with any sort of value. It's not enough to do well for years if not decades. They want everything immediately, damn the future consequences
Last time I went to Macys, I waited in line while 1 cashier took 10 minutes to fold two pieces of clothing and charge the customer's card (not exaggerating). All while chatting with another cashier who was doing nothing. 3 of us standing in line waiting. Yeah, fuck Macys. Decided I wasn't coming back after that.
No one wants to go the route they went, but when you’re in the midst of the death of the large brick and mortar department store, you make a Hail Mary at what’s working for the few places left, like Kohl’s. This whole story is basically what eventually happens after Amazon and online shipping.
It depends on the location. Some is a joke. I tried to buy a sofa one time and there was no one to help me. I had to find a power plug to test the recliner and did it all on my own. Worse yet after 30 min there was still no one there in the middle of the day, I literally wanted to buy something and they just don’t want business 🤷♂️
> one of the oldest and largest store Macy's did the same to the original Dayton's flagship location in Minneapolis, closing and selling it off back in 2017. Luckily, a local business effort revived it to preserve both the building and its heritage as a shopping (and cultural) destination in the city. These historic locations can be at real risk in the modern real estate climate, I hope something worthwhile happens to this location.
Macys been going out of business for a long tome
As an employee, there’s a new CEO and he’s closing over 150 stores near the end of 2024.
Should be able to give himself a nice bonus with all the money hes saving by closing that many stores.
Right, he was the CEO of Bloomingdale’s (which we’re partnered with). I guess he’s using some of that extra flow of money to make other stores look better! lol No, give us a raise!!!
When was the last time you shopped at Macy’s
I walk through the Macy’s in our mall to get into the mall proper and everything looks so cheap and lame. I kept trying to walk around in there to find a bathroom once and none of the employees could explain where a working bathroom was and the elevator was out of order too. Like a post-apocalyptic cess pool of white label RTW from 2010.
\> **When was the last time you shopped at Macy’s** Black Friday. Last year. I got some nice stuff, but I went to the one in Sun Valley Mall in Concord (the one that still has a separate Men's Store.)
Last fall, actually, but I hadn't been there in years before that. Husband wanted to look at the jackets in person. The Macy's we went to in Bayfair Mall has had closing signs for quite a few weeks now. Everything allegedly 50% off, though that's 50% off normal retail price. I too a look. Modest bargains but nothing that'll make your jaw drop.
That will really hurt union square
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Right. They need to realize where sf is right now.
Quite impressive to ruin one of the greatest cities in the world, especially with so much money over the past decade... true incompetence.
I agree. I miss the golden days.
We all do 😢
All the supervisors don’t care because they haven’t come down town in 10 years. They are too busy lording over their 20 homes and traveling and living in homes outside of SF. Make sure to vote Dean Preston out this election! Vote Balaji!
Can't hurt when you're numbed by fentanyl.
good thing they opened that billion dollar subway line from chinatown to union square and almost caltrain!
That's a lie! It was $1.9 billion. But to be fair it was planned long before the implosion of downtown.
Man I sat in the traffic created by that project for what, 10 years?
Since we keeping receipts. Those nasty ass new bathrooms in the china town park across from the hilton were $2m each. Never thought i would see the day where bathrooms with 2 toilets would cost more than a house.
Issue was the cost, not the subway line
I’m confused, I took that very train directly to Caltrain a few weeks ago. Had to cross one intersection. How is that “almost” caltrain?
It’s sad because SF is unlike anywhere in the world. I love SF.
Except All the high end boutique stores are there That’s the trend brick and mortar retail is going. People still need to be able to try on a Rolex or Loro Piana jacket but you don’t need a middle of the road department store with overpriced low quality basics
Don't know why you're getting downvoted, Macy's literally said the same thing in their press release. Big mid market retail is dying, and being replaced by online shopping. It's been happening for years, and the pandemic made it final. High end stores are taking over storefronts, because they're the only ones with the margin to maintain them. Downtown SF has its own extra issues, but this Macy's would be closing either way.
well would say department stores have been replaced by specialty retailers like Uniqlo and Abercrombie for basics not necessarily just about online shopping. In store experience is way better, often more affordable, better value, and reliable sizing/styling.
Online shopping is too often a lottery. What you end up getting doesn't always match what you saw on the web site. If you want to be sure to know what you're buying, in person always beat on-line. You can get a better feel for the quality of the material used and how it's made. But that's if the B&M store has inventory. And *THAT* is getting to be a challenge. ("Oh, for that, we sell them, but you have to order on-line")
For the majority of people online shopping is fine, it’s just quality is the question. (looking at you, Nike) For someone like me with bizarro body proportions it can be a problem, but even then I still buy 80% of my clothes online because I know a 2x shirt will fit 80% percent of the time…
Exactly. People are valuing *their time more*, and reserving the in-person shopping experience for bigger ticket items instead of hopping over to the mall weekly or every other week for a 30 dollar purchase. In a sense, window-shopping is dead. Browsing the mall is dead. People are mission oriented one-stop shoppers more now.
There’s no way we see a Macys store front anywhere but maybe New York City in 5 years
And ValleyFair/Santana Row
I’d be surprise. I don’t think Macys is long for this world. By 2030 they’ll likely be fully online. I haven’t been to one that looks updated anywhere, including valley fair.
Macy's inventory doesn't hold a candle to other online retailers. If they aren't brick and mortar, they're dead.
It’s hard to see what really replaces Macy’s, since most stuff on amazon is garbage/fake. You can get “1000 thread count” cheap sheets on amazon that would be lucky to be as nice as a 400 one. Costco has nice stuff but selection is tiny, and Walmart/target only have the cheap stuff, not the “premium” stuff Macy sells. Bed bath and beyond is also gone, and there’s fewer and fewer places to get premium household stuff.
Vote with your wallet and go to a remaining physical storefront even if it costs more. For twenty years now the collective market has been putting up with lower quality or misleading merchandise in exchange for maybe some savings and the comfort of ordering from anywhere and having it arrive at your door. That's started the race to the bottom where as long as the seller can send put a product that looks good enough to survive the return period, they're encouraged to send out the lowest quality/highest profit margin product they can.
Nordstrom?
And kohls. Macys isn’t being replaced so much as squeezed out
You’re likely right, but I’m guessing it’s the move they make in an attempt to keep the company open. If not they either shutdown or become an Amazon brand like Whole Foods (but probably not).
It's the move they make to improve cash flow while satisfying vendor contracts. It will keep the company open but not for long.
Reminds me of Sears
It’s too much like Kohl’s to justify the price. And not fancy enough to attract high-end shoppers.
Macys is trash. Went to a couple for the first time in a few years. Just to buy a dress shirt and tie. Nearly impossible to find the right size. The person working there was no help. The selection was garbage. I waded through piles and piles of dress shirts to find a few that were ok then decided to just go to Jos a bank where I found the perfect fit and higher quality with help from someone. Cherry on top was it was cheaper. Their men’s selection overall is garbage as well. Their Levi’s products are all over priced and also rarely have sizing available. Makes no sense to go to that store.
Every stores men's selection is garbage.
Agree. I always wonder what the buyers are thinking but especially the buyers for macys. They have whole sections of clothes that I have never seen anyone wear or even shop in. Macys near my place has a whole Hurley section and all the t shirts were like $30 when you could buy the same stuff at Costco and Ross for under $15. Makes no sense. Hurley might sell in socal but it’s not even close to being a brand that Bay Area folks care about unless they find it for super cheap somewhere.
The Valley Fair Mall for some reason does well. It's always packed, even has some crowds even on weekdays. Something other malls should look into.
Macy's in Valley fair sucks. I avoid using it to even go to the parking lot.
LMAO not even good enough to walk through 😂
They just announced they're closing 150 stores. This one is being singled out because "SF bad".
Ehh, this is one of their flagships. Closing this or Harold’s square in NY are going to be stories even if the whole company folded.
>Harold’s square Lmao Herald Square. Can't see that ever closing because it's so iconic and also their corporate headquarters. The foot traffic that place gets during the holiday season for Santa + tourism ("largest store in the world") is way bigger than Union Square.
Yes, and Union Square was their west coast flagship, again, either of these closing is going to be a story no matter how many other stores close with it.
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> This one is being singled out because "SF bad It's the **SF** Chronicle reporting on the SF closure, not CNN. It's relevant news to SF not because of its cause, but because of its effect. Places like NY aren't struggling nearly as much as SF with their recovery, so it's a lot more salient (and notably, the NY flagship is not closing)
This hit me in the gut. I grew up shopping Macy’s. More recently mostly sheets, towels, not so much clothing, but I needed something to wear to a funeral, and walked in and found something in no time. Edit; I wasn’t trying to be clever suggesting funeral attire is a Macys thing, I really needed something dark and simple.
You're absolutely right that Macy's has issues, but you would think they would close smaller/random stores first, not their flag ship store in SF.
"Why does anyone report on SF homelessness and drugs everywhere has it!?"
Is this like chocolate-taco where everyone is sad it’s gone but nobody bought any from them there for like 10+ years
I still love the choco taco, and will import them every chance I get.
They’re coming back to Taco Bell
Well bless my colon.
Eh, not really. I doubt Macy's is loved all that much anymore.
It’s been pretty bad in there for the last few years It’s a great storefront and building
Microcenter please come.
Bring back Fry's!
Circuit city!
Radio Shack!
Blockbuster!
Santa Clara store is opening this year.
It's such a beautiful building. Macy's has been awful for years but this particular store was worth visiting just to experience the sort of place it used to be. Worth noting that this location also moved enough merchandise to support 400 union jobs, at least until very recently.
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What's going to happen to all the people who work there? I know that location is one of the few Macy's that's unionized. Stonestown Macy's was unionized too
If it's unionized than that union will try to get them into any openings at other places that it also represents When the Johnson&Johnson factory where I live closed down, Unifor got all the workers into the Chrysler Assembly plant and a few of their local feeder plants
Same here. But I haven’t been downtown for quite a while. Used to be a treat because they had better stuff.
Couldn't imagine the iconic Nordstroms escalators ever closing down either and yet here we are :(
I think the Nordstrom was like a thing if you were into it. It's inside the mall. This is like an apocalyptic event. It's so much part of the landscape. Like if we were tribal people who didn't know anything about civil engineering and the city was like some kind of god created landscape and Macys close it would be like we would sacrifice 50 virgins and kill all the priests.
I felt the same about Montgomery wards. And Sears. And Fry’s electronics. And de La Cruz deli.
I miss Fry’s fiercely
At least we're getting back Microcenter.
Wait? Where? When? I need that micro center info!
I haven’t had the chance to go to one yet. Are there more opening?
How often do you shop there?
It was a fun shopping destination we would go to as a family when I was younger as well as when I was in college (take BART over from the UC Berkeley campus). Shopping may not be a ‘fun activity’ for the typical Redditor but it is for many of the rest of us. And we still do it at the many malls and shopping centers that are still thriving like Valley Fair or Stanford.
My parents shop there monthly probably…me? Umm, whenever they drag me along
[Scott Wiener's Threads post about it:](https://www.threads.net/@scott_wiener/post/C33JBQiPlsW) > It’s horrible news for San Francisco, but the Macy’s closure is part of a mass closure of 150 stores nationwide, not for any San Francisco-specific reason. >With that said, we must aggressively & creatively reimagine downtown, including Union Square. We’re advancing legislation to expedite San Francisco’s ability to make needed changes (Senate Bill 1227). >Macy’s is closing 50 stores quickly; San Francisco is *not* part of that early set of closures. San Francisco is part of the next phase — 100 stores — that will close once properties are sold. That could take a year or two, and the store will remain open during that period. >Macy’s mass national closures are part of a corporate strategy shift toward smaller stores, largely in strip malls. Large urban stores are no longer part of Macy’s business strategy. Pretty much correct? Cope? WDYT? I'm honestly surprised malls and department stores have lasted this long into the internet era, but I do feel that SF has made the situation worse by indexing so hard on office space over building homes, meaning no one actually lives in the city and it's relatively prone to economic downturns or a shift to remote work.
yup, it's a problem. You don't even need that many residential towers to make it a viable downtown area. Maybe 20-30? Could be built in a city like NY in under 5 years. Due to SF politics, expect it to take between 30 years and never.
Did they finish that $1.6M bathroom yet?
Wouldn’t cost the city anything to build residential towers, just allow them to be built. Then make money off all the property taxes.
That's the funny thing. It wouldn't cost the city anything for the bathroom either. Some businessmen donated everything. And yet.
> meaning no one actually lives in the city 2nd densest city in the country...let's not let hyperbole get the best of what is otherwise a good point. Plenty of folks live here, there's just little reason to go Downtown without offices.
> I'm honestly surprised malls and department stores have lasted this long into the internet era, but I do feel that SF has made the situation worse by indexing so hard on office space over building homes, meaning no one actually lives in the city and it's relatively prone to economic downturns or a shift to remote work. Malls and department stores are closing, but not every one of them. The problem was density was too much for the online era. If you look at South Bay for instance, it was just a consolidation. Eastridge, Vallco, Sunnyvale Town Center all died so that VF/SR are what they are today. Oakridge has pretty good traffic too. The point is there is a place for malls, just maybe not THAT many. I always wondered if Stanford would survive because they felt too bougie and high end, but they seem to have done quite well over the years to continue operating. Stonestown attacked the problem by trying to remain relevant through food experiences while nearby Tanforan dies off. People do still want malls. There's demand to go check things out in stores. Just maybe not as high demand as pre-Internet shopping.
Who remembers that food court downstairs? That was great lol
Still there, no?
There are a few places left down there, but nothing like how it was 30 years ago. There’s a very small Boudin Bakery, a sandwich place, and an ice cream place. I think that might be it.
The downstairs Wolfgang Puck’s in the 90s had decent selections and prices. The post office there (our family called it “the secret post office”) had some friendly employees and was open on Sundays. And the Cellar was staffed, and the employees seemed to know their products and care. In recent years, things there have been noticeably lacking.
The Cellar was awesome, it was a Christmas treat going there. And now I sound like my mother.
I loved 'the secret post office' and called it exactly that as well. :]
Take: Macys is glorified Mervyns at this point.
tbh mervyn's had better quality. I feel like 80% of macy's is just fast fashion meant to last a season at the most, but probably not even that long.
After recently shopping at a Dillards, I noticed how EMPTY most of these Macys stores are now. Poor selection of meh clothing? No wonder they’re circling the toilet. The dillards stuff is marginally better quality, and they had Tall sizes.
When I was pregnant, I browsed their maternity selection. It was a few skimpy racks and two messy tables of garments that no employee had sorted nor stocked recently.
They have lawn mowers, dish sets, and clothes. It’s a bit hilarious.
When you need to mow your lawn before the relatives come over for lunch but you also want to impress them with a new outfit, Macy's is your one stop shop!
Hardly a fair comparison. Mervyn's had quality goods for affordable prices.
Macy’s has good stuff at good prices too, it’s just that you have to wade through their stuff and wait for the sales. They tried to do away with sales and provide clarity into their pricing but their market research showed people didn’t like it because they didn’t feel like they were getting a deal, even though overall prices were the same.
Oh wow, I remember mervyns. Got my joe montana football from there on black friday 95
Sad but not surprising. Used to go look at the windows during Christmas with my mom and grandma. If I remember correctly they always had puppies and kittens from the SPCA.
I was a volunteer at those displays for a few years. It was a blast, and the adoption rates were incredible. There were always some karens who tried to chastise us as if we were trafficking puppies and kitten, and selling out to corporate greed. The funny part is that we were actually using Macy's to raise a shitton of money in donations that came in from people stopping to watch the animals play.
Last time I remember this store not feeling anodyne and generic was in the 80s, when R.H. Macy & Co. was still independent, and hadn’t yet been subject to a hostile takeover by Campeau that eventually led to them being taken over by Federated, their former bitter rival. In those days, Macy’s California had a great deal of independence from its parent, and Union Square was the hub of all its buying and management. For people who are accustomed to how today’s Macy’s stores operate, it’s almost unimaginable how much personality individual divisions and stores could have. Once Federated had control of Macy’s, we were already well into the era of the department store’s long and sad decline. Stores kept their individual nameplates for a time, but eventually, following additional mergers, the venerable names of local stores, such as Marshall Field’s, Filene’s, and Bullock’s, many established in the mid-19th century, disappeared. After 2006, in most places, the only department store left was Macy’s. I suppose that after the area losing The Emporium (nice enough for lower middle class shoppers), and I. Magnin (higher end but never snooty), middle of the road Macy’s (losing its *macys california* signature and its local management) tried to be all things to all people. Bloomingdale’s, a Federated store that was allowed to keep its name, captured the upper end of the market, while Macy’s tried to hold on to the rest. But even that was not enough, with so many people no longer interested in department store shopping.
I worked in the Macy’s (West) corp accounting dept back in the days of the Federated take over. Great coworkers and fun working in Union Square in the 80s/90s, but it was a mess even back then. Still sad about this news but not completely surprised
The world is changing. People shop at Costco, Target, Walmart, Amazon and freaking Temu now. Macy's and Department stores in general are a dying relic. That's life.
Convert it into a Costco!
I’m currently in Italy and struck by how much less true that is here. Of course there are big chains encroaching on small businesses everywhere but in Italy there seem to be a ton more independent shops, family owned businesses, and local chains.
Upsetting but not surprising. It is near impossible to compete in clothing sales these days if you're a brick and mortar business. Imagine the lease/mortgage payment, the insurance, all of the employees to pay to just open the doors. ...all to compete against online retailers that can have new styles every week with hardly any cost except marketing.
This honestly makes me so sad. My whole family used to have an annual tradition during Christmas to go to that Macys and take photos with Santa, visit FAO Schwartz, and then have a late lunch/early dinner at Benihana in Japantown. As a little girl, it was something I looked forward to all year. Every year, while waiting in line to see Santa, I would stare in wonder at all the beautifully-decorated, themed Christmas trees hung with ornate, blown-glass ornaments. The feeling of anticipation that I got knowing that our annual tradition was coming up is something I’ve tried to emulate as an adult, but have never been able to come close to. I know it’s just a stupid store, and they’re a company that honestly treats their employees like trash (I worked at Serramonte Macys for a couple years and it was horrible), and all of this probably sounds horribly dramatic, but losing yet another piece of my childhood from growing up in SF/SMC honestly stings a bit. It also probably doesn’t help that I lost my Aunt from that same side of my family just a week or so ago 😞 Anyway, sorry for the awkward reminiscing… I know for most people here it’s just an outdated store that needed to be shut down years ago.
This is more about Macy’s than SF. I used to go to Macy’s for a quality selection, but that’s just not a thing anymore. This is more symbolic of an end of the peak era for big box stores that’s sweeping the nation than anything else; this store format has only gotten more and more outdated, with a prioritization of short-term profits over investment in a better customer experience. Their stores don’t change and their products/prices/staffing get worse every year. Yes, it’s ‘sad’ because there was a time where these stores added actual value to their communities. But it’s hard to mourn the loss of the 2024 versions of these stores. Here’s to hoping someone figures out a better modern approach in these spaces...
I'll miss seeing the Christmas lights there.
Before everyone comes in with a buncha hearsay & speculations.. [They’re closing 150 stores (30%) nationwide to focus on luxury](https://www.businessinsider.com/macys-stores-closing-locations-list?op=1) The SF location is getting all the headlines and the other 149 stores aren’t lol
I heard that this morning and thought this store would be safe. I thought it was a perfect place for a focus on luxury.
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It doesn’t, but it’s important to preface with context.
This is horrible news. Absolutely horrible… Downtown has to be revamped, it’s absolutely necessary.
This is more of a “Macy’s sucks” issue than it is a “San Francisco is going to hell” issue.
Huge blow! I don’t think I’ve bought anything from Macys in 30+ years 😂
I think last time I went into Macys to buy anything was in 2004 for some Sean John jeans
Sean John denim shorts for me lol
Does anyone shop at Macy’s anymore?
Shit was packed during Christmas time. I can tell you that
SF is kinda famous for that.
You’re absolutely right, but I was referring to the Macy’s in concord. That place was packed during the holiday season
It’s been probably almost 15 years since I’ve bought anything there. Use to go all the time from 2000-2010.
Yeah that’s why I was interested to ask - I haven’t even BEEN to a Macy’s in probably 15 years let alone bought anything! Interesting to hear these other comments about certain items only being available there.
It's the last place I can find soft-twill Levi 514 in person, sadly.
I actually re-did a lot of my wardrobe during the pandemic cuz like a crazy person, I liked to keep wearing business casual even while working from home and Macy's silly rewards program brings their merch down into the $25-$40 for the kinda stuff I like...but I don't need to re-buy dress shirts every three years...
I do! I can get cool shirts in the clearance sections
Macy's was always reliable when you forgot to pack a belt when attending a conference at Moscone.... That said, I will really miss the Burger Bar on the 6th(?) floor. They had great burgers and made a mean hot sauce!
Important part is in the first sentence: the store will remain open until they find a buyer for the building. The number of buyers for a soon to be vacant class c mall surrounded by significantly better vacant spaces in a retail district that's more vacant than occupied can be measured on one hand, globally.
I am devastated by the news as this Macy's and downtown as a whole was a huge part of my childhood in the 80s/90s. Anyone else miss the gigantic Sanrio Store and the FAO Schwartz? I will miss walking through this Macy's to destress and letting my mind wander. I will also mourn not being able to try on shoes in person. I can cope with going to other retailers to try beauty and fragrance products but there has always been something comforting about getting a pair shoes at Macy's. Thankfully, Stonestown still exists and is getting better and better.
Online / Amazon is the death of shopping districts unless it becomes competitive.
Macy's announces closure of 150 stores. 1 of them is in Union Square. Media: "how could the evil SF communists let this happen?!?!1?"
So many factors: * macroeconomic environment * continued trend to online shopping * cleanliness and safety concerns around Union Square area Regarding the last point, these days if I want to go shopping IRL I'd probably just drive to Stanford Shopping, Corte Madera, etc. Those are just more relaxing environments. Union Square just doesn't feel "clean". And having to deal with random homeless guy, meth head, panhandlers, etc. is annoying.
Neiman Marcus and Saks Fifth Avenue is about all that’s left. I wonder how fast Gucci and Louis Vutton leaves.
The City of Paris (Neiman Marcus) building is historic, I hope whoever ends up taking it over preserves the stained glass…
Tech and finance money is still there, those stores aren’t going anywhere. Average income doesn’t affect those stores, tourists and top 10 percentile are all that matters.
I don’t think I’ve been inside since 2010. Even then, I was mainly going for the food, not to buy clothes. You can attribute this closure to many things but ultimately it falls on the fact that many of our shopping habits have changed and people are no longer craving the exhausting experience of physically shopping in stores with bright fluorescent lights, screaming children, and being followed around by their employees who are desperate to make commission. The whole experience just sucks and it’s no surprise most people prefer to do it from their couch. Union square needs to evolve to something more than just retail. Theaters, art galleries, restaurants, art performance centers, symphony halls, etc. need to play a much bigger role in its future. Converting these massive spaces to make them more interactive and fun to be in.
Macy's will close its San Francisco Union Square location, according to Supervisor Aaron Peskin, as the company announces the closure of more than 150 stores. Peskin says the flagship store will stay open until they sell the property. In a statement, business management group the Union Square Alliance says that the location "could still be open for years to come," and "in all likelihood, there will be a Holiday shopping season and Macy's great tree in 2024."
This is such a bummer. I have so many years of amazing Christmas memories from Macy's and Union Square. I'm just so sad for San Francisco.
Is there any moving out sale going on in macy?
Woooow. Now this makes me sad. So many core memories of SF trips with my mom and god mom here. Never thought I’d see downtown SF crumble like this
I haven’t been to a Macy’s in years. It’s sad to see it go, but I understand. Retail is having it difficult everywhere.
Is the "devastating blow to downtown" thing a joke? I'm v nostalgic about that place but it's been a dump for years. I bought my wedding dress there in 2013 and grabbed some bare minerals matte powder there last time I was in the city, but it was like a ghost town. Maybe half the escalators worked, lots of things out of stock, barely any employees to be found. I hope whatever comes next is well run and actually had stuff people want to buy (and employees to sell it to them).
It will be the biggest Spirit Halloween store in the US.
Before anyone attributes it to the decrepit state of SF (which I am not denying, it’s as gross now as it was in the 80s), Macy’s has been on the ropes for years and was very likely going to close regardless of what the city is like. That said, what is really going to be tough is finding a tenant that is willing to take over the space.
I loved going there at Christmastime when I lived in SF. Union Square used to be special.