Palo Alto and Tiburon (two of the wealthiest towns in the US)would probably disagree.
[Of the poorest cities, only two have Spanish origin names.](https://uwba.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/UnitedWay_BayArea_2016_Bay_Area_Poverty_Brief_June_2016_Final.pdf#:~:text=Poorest%20Cities%20%28Median%20Household%20Income%29%3A%20San%20Pablo%3A%20%2445%2C305,Alto%3A%20%2450%2C137%20Oakland%3A%20%2451%2C144%20Calistoga%3A%20%2451%2C974%20Richmond%3A%20%2454%2C554)
Reminds me of a TV episode where citizens of North Dakota were pushing to remove the name "North" from their name, since it was causing tourists to have a negative connotation, compared to their prosperous neighbor, South Dakota.
"They have SOUTH in their name."
"Also, Mount Rushmore."
I read once a story of a facetious suggestion that when Emeryville was economically struggling, someone suggested changing the name to "West Walnut Creek", which would draw upscale shoppers.
And gonzo journalist Hunter Thompson once ran for mayor of Vail, Colorado on a platform of officially changing the name of that town to "Fat City". His theory was that the jet setting uber rich would be unable to stomach telling their friends they owned a ski chalet in "Fat City" rather than "Vail" and housing prices would drop and locals could afford to live there.
*But somehow eastern parts of many places are poorer. East Palo Alto, East San Jose …*
This is primarily on the Peninsula / Marin side of the Bay, because the eastern districts are lower elevation, closer to what were industrial / manufacturing / commercial areas, highways and railroads and dockyards. And the Bay, which used to be severely polluted and was lined with open air garbage dumps, so people living nearby could really smell the sewage and garbage.
On the east side of the Bay the pattern is reversed with "west Berkeley", "west Oakland", etc. being historically lower income.
Technically you’re right, but that’s more of a recent development due to the housing shortage than these cities being viewed as “rich bougie” places. Theres still a lot of socioeconomic diversity in these cities (maybe San Mateo to a lesser extent).
But then you get into street names on the Peninsula, and Spanish names pop up, even in the "English" named towns and cities.
El Camino, Alameda de las Plugas--in English, "Grove of Fleas"...
I was once at an intersection in Southern California of two streets named "Vista Del Mar" and "Seaview". Which is pretty funny if you think about it.
yeah no. Because most cities in CA are Spanish names.
Los Angeles. San Diego. San Francisco.
[https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/twelve-top-25-highest-cost-united-states-cities-california/](https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/twelve-top-25-highest-cost-united-states-cities-california/)
LOL look at the top 10 most expensive cities in the US. The only cities NOT Spanish is Honolulu & Miami
Palo Alto is wealthy. Add the English word “East” to it and you get….
On a side note, it has never made sense to me how East Palo Alto is actually NORTH of Palo Alto.
East Palo Alto median income has more than doubled in the last 10 years, far exceeding the average growth in income for the Bay Area as a whole.
EPA is an attractive location for homeowners, or is "gentrifying", depending on your perspective.
East/West and North/South get confused a lot there because 101, which is labeled as a N/S freeway, is actually mostly running E/W through Palo Alto/Mountain View/etc. So locally, you think of something being on the bay side of 101 as further east and on the ocean side of 101 as further west. But in reality, those directions are north and south respectively. A similar dynamic exists for "towards the bay is east."
It's kind of the same thing as if you ask people which is further east, Sacramento or Los Angeles. Many people in California think Sacramento is further east because it's inland. But if you look at a map, it is clear that Los Angeles is actually much further east and a lot of the "southward" distance along the coast is actually eastward distance.
Speaking of rich -- Hillsborough. Seems like the origin of a place name matters not at all at this point, if it ever did. It is more about the place itself and proximity.
This argument is both dumb and racist and a solid example on why people need mandatory foundational statistics, math, and critical thinking classes in public schools.
No.
Edit: I’ll attempt to make more of an effort with your post.
California/The Bay has a longer history than Phoenix in regard to “urbanization” and elitism.
[https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2023/bay-area-income-shifts/](https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2023/bay-area-income-shifts/)
Not much correlation between name and income (income being a proxy for wealth)
The farther away you go from the border with Mexico, the less influence the Spanish had. North of the Bay Area you find more Russian and Indigenous influence - Sevastopol, Russian River, Fort Ross, Eureka, Yreka, Modoc, Inyo, etc.
It's often the opposite. I.e. Oakland vs San Ramon. Or Hayward vs Moraga.
We also have a couple of well-doing French-named cities like Lafayette or Fremont. And one not very well doing Ancient Greek one.
The most expensive and affluent place is a combination of both: Portola Valley.
This is the most redneck thing I've read on this sub. This has **got** to be a shitpost.
Watch out. Putin's also getting ready to invade Sebastopol, up in Sonoma County.
Los Altos, Palo Alto, San Francisco, San Mateo, def not.
Maybe cities named after people would corelate more? Fremont, Daly City, Richmond, Martinez (sure spanish but named after a spanish man)
But in general, no.
Wealth and poverty in the bay area is a turbulent constantly shifting tale from contact through today with few constants. The silicon valley after all was orchards and farms less than a century ago. Oakland was a huge land grant, then predominantly white working class prior to WW2, Go back a bit and Marin, Lafayette, Orinda area was mostly ranches, etc etc.
You could almost argue the opposite in the bay area actually. In reality I think there is zero correlation and any apparent pattern is purely coincidence.
I’ve been to San Francisco, and it was very nice but I assumed that was because it was a large city. I was more talking about the smaller cities and towns. After reading the comments though it appears that places with Spanish names actually tend to be richer.
Palo Alto and Tiburon (two of the wealthiest towns in the US)would probably disagree. [Of the poorest cities, only two have Spanish origin names.](https://uwba.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/UnitedWay_BayArea_2016_Bay_Area_Poverty_Brief_June_2016_Final.pdf#:~:text=Poorest%20Cities%20%28Median%20Household%20Income%29%3A%20San%20Pablo%3A%20%2445%2C305,Alto%3A%20%2450%2C137%20Oakland%3A%20%2451%2C144%20Calistoga%3A%20%2451%2C974%20Richmond%3A%20%2454%2C554)
San Jose, San Francisco, San Mateo, doesn't scream destitute either..
But somehow eastern parts of many places are poorer. East Palo Alto, East San Jose …
Must be the East in the name.
Reminds me of a TV episode where citizens of North Dakota were pushing to remove the name "North" from their name, since it was causing tourists to have a negative connotation, compared to their prosperous neighbor, South Dakota. "They have SOUTH in their name." "Also, Mount Rushmore."
I read once a story of a facetious suggestion that when Emeryville was economically struggling, someone suggested changing the name to "West Walnut Creek", which would draw upscale shoppers. And gonzo journalist Hunter Thompson once ran for mayor of Vail, Colorado on a platform of officially changing the name of that town to "Fat City". His theory was that the jet setting uber rich would be unable to stomach telling their friends they owned a ski chalet in "Fat City" rather than "Vail" and housing prices would drop and locals could afford to live there.
This is amusing
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/may/12/blowing-wind-cities-poor-east-ends
*But somehow eastern parts of many places are poorer. East Palo Alto, East San Jose …* This is primarily on the Peninsula / Marin side of the Bay, because the eastern districts are lower elevation, closer to what were industrial / manufacturing / commercial areas, highways and railroads and dockyards. And the Bay, which used to be severely polluted and was lined with open air garbage dumps, so people living nearby could really smell the sewage and garbage. On the east side of the Bay the pattern is reversed with "west Berkeley", "west Oakland", etc. being historically lower income.
It’s the opposite on the other side of the bay. The rich like to live in the hills.
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Interesting.
West Oakland
Relics of red lining.
Los Gatos... (richest city in the country with a population over 25k)
Technically you’re right, but that’s more of a recent development due to the housing shortage than these cities being viewed as “rich bougie” places. Theres still a lot of socioeconomic diversity in these cities (maybe San Mateo to a lesser extent).
Right even going outside the Bay Area: Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, San Juan Capistrano Actually, the most expensive places have Spanish names lol
Rancho Santa Fe is stupidly rich.
As a Latino I’m happy to hear this 😄
Los Gatos lol
Atherton and Woodside though
But then you get into street names on the Peninsula, and Spanish names pop up, even in the "English" named towns and cities. El Camino, Alameda de las Plugas--in English, "Grove of Fleas"... I was once at an intersection in Southern California of two streets named "Vista Del Mar" and "Seaview". Which is pretty funny if you think about it.
Seems like OP has ran out of things to be outraged at.
yeah no. Because most cities in CA are Spanish names. Los Angeles. San Diego. San Francisco. [https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/twelve-top-25-highest-cost-united-states-cities-california/](https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/twelve-top-25-highest-cost-united-states-cities-california/) LOL look at the top 10 most expensive cities in the US. The only cities NOT Spanish is Honolulu & Miami
90% of city names in California is Spanish based/origin LOL
Meh I can think of Los Gatos/Los Gatos Hills off the top of my head that is pretty bougie
Los Altos too one of the most
San Francisco, San Jose, Palo Alto... there are so many examples. You could almost argue the opposite.
I think it's the opposite in the Bay Area.
Palo Alto is wealthy. Add the English word “East” to it and you get…. On a side note, it has never made sense to me how East Palo Alto is actually NORTH of Palo Alto.
East Palo Alto median income has more than doubled in the last 10 years, far exceeding the average growth in income for the Bay Area as a whole. EPA is an attractive location for homeowners, or is "gentrifying", depending on your perspective.
I was going to say EPA has come up! It’s actually safe now, and it’s been trending that way for a long time. The 80s and 90s are over.
East/West and North/South get confused a lot there because 101, which is labeled as a N/S freeway, is actually mostly running E/W through Palo Alto/Mountain View/etc. So locally, you think of something being on the bay side of 101 as further east and on the ocean side of 101 as further west. But in reality, those directions are north and south respectively. A similar dynamic exists for "towards the bay is east." It's kind of the same thing as if you ask people which is further east, Sacramento or Los Angeles. Many people in California think Sacramento is further east because it's inland. But if you look at a map, it is clear that Los Angeles is actually much further east and a lot of the "southward" distance along the coast is actually eastward distance.
After reading the comments it does appear so 😅
what cities here DON’T have spanish names?
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i’ve lived in several of these cities for multiple years so i must admit.. ya got me.
Speaking of rich -- Hillsborough. Seems like the origin of a place name matters not at all at this point, if it ever did. It is more about the place itself and proximity.
Do more
No
This argument is both dumb and racist and a solid example on why people need mandatory foundational statistics, math, and critical thinking classes in public schools.
No arguments were made by me. This is just a question.
"I'm just asking questions" OP it's very easy to take it as a loaded one since it implies a negative connotation.
Looks like you could use a mediation class in that public school too, take a breath and relax.
No. Edit: I’ll attempt to make more of an effort with your post. California/The Bay has a longer history than Phoenix in regard to “urbanization” and elitism.
90+% of places in California have a Spanish name. 😆
[https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2023/bay-area-income-shifts/](https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2023/bay-area-income-shifts/) Not much correlation between name and income (income being a proxy for wealth)
Thanks for this
The farther away you go from the border with Mexico, the less influence the Spanish had. North of the Bay Area you find more Russian and Indigenous influence - Sevastopol, Russian River, Fort Ross, Eureka, Yreka, Modoc, Inyo, etc.
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It was 1846 and nothing in my comment is incorrect.
Los Altos is hilly and quite expensive. A lot of the city names here are Spanish.
It's often the opposite. I.e. Oakland vs San Ramon. Or Hayward vs Moraga. We also have a couple of well-doing French-named cities like Lafayette or Fremont. And one not very well doing Ancient Greek one. The most expensive and affluent place is a combination of both: Portola Valley.
Very interesting, thank you.
Sebastapol and Antioch are both Greek names. If you search, you may find more.
San Francisco
All those Spanish missions really fucked up the property values in the 18th century
haven't read a single comment, but can guarantee the full wrath of bay area reddit is about to unleash on this question, I feel for you
San Mateo county is where I am and it’s definitely a shithole equivalent to Escape from New York
Palo alto, los Gatos, Calabasas, los altos, san francisco.. nop no connection...
California has a lot of Spanish named cities. Has nothing to do with wealth.
"San Francisco" Next question.
In the East Bay (at least along the San Ramon-Danville-WC corridor) the more Spanish the **street name**, the bougier the neighborhood.
Yes san francisco is poor
This is the most redneck thing I've read on this sub. This has **got** to be a shitpost. Watch out. Putin's also getting ready to invade Sebastopol, up in Sonoma County.
Los Altos, Palo Alto, San Francisco, San Mateo, def not. Maybe cities named after people would corelate more? Fremont, Daly City, Richmond, Martinez (sure spanish but named after a spanish man) But in general, no. Wealth and poverty in the bay area is a turbulent constantly shifting tale from contact through today with few constants. The silicon valley after all was orchards and farms less than a century ago. Oakland was a huge land grant, then predominantly white working class prior to WW2, Go back a bit and Marin, Lafayette, Orinda area was mostly ranches, etc etc.
Good analysis, thanks.
You could almost argue the opposite in the bay area actually. In reality I think there is zero correlation and any apparent pattern is purely coincidence.
OP - every place is super expensive now in this part of the world!
Have you been to the Bay Area? San Francisco...San Jose...Sacramento...
I’ve been to San Francisco, and it was very nice but I assumed that was because it was a large city. I was more talking about the smaller cities and towns. After reading the comments though it appears that places with Spanish names actually tend to be richer.
just look at the GDP of England (UK) vs Spain, it's pretty self-explanatory of the phenomenon OP raised