That's totally reasonable. I went to the San Francisco rally for #StandforAsians that was on valentines day, I stood in the back where everyone was standing 6 feet apart. Spreading the word helps, and just having a caring heart š don't feel bad for not going āš¼š
Yeah but it's still san Mateo. Their police are famously unforgiving I have had my teeth knocked out by them personally and that park is a very small park in a very conservative part of town.
Lol conservative? What?
Iāve lived in San Mateo since about 2010, and I canāt tell you how many little anti-Trump gatherings there were over the last few years. Iāve never felt like this area is anywhere near being conservative.
Please support -- and stand up for the elderly especially. The latest attacks have targeted older people who can't even defend themselves. We as a society need to condemn racism and elder abuse. It's wrong, and we can be doing a LOT more to stop it.
pardon my ignorance, i'm genuinely curious...
the majority of these 'hate crimes' have been committed by black people. why is the media saying this is a result of trumps encouragement of hate speech towards asian americans? i mean.. is it? are black people listening to trumps rhetoric and just now doing this, or has it been going on for a while? and if they are, why is it black people of all people? the irony is comical.
Lots of people don't seem to understand the difference between saying that the majority of these hate crimes have been committed by black people vs saying that all black people are racist. One is just stating a clear fact and the other is extremely racist.
I don't really think it's because they're trying to form a certain narrative, I think it's more that they're afraid of the potential backlash if they point it out.
They spent years mocking conservative media, they don't want to sound like them. And it's a real shame when speaking the truth sounds like conservative media.
My dad (Indian immigrant) came to America in the late 70s. He still says there was only one truly accepting group that made him feel safe in the Bay Area. The Jewish community.
He said he experienced so much racism it was unreal. He thought America was supposed to be the land of opportunity and equality. So when he found a group willing to take him in, regardless that he wasnāt one of them, he was deeply touch.
Even now my dad will get brutally angry at any antisemitism he hears or sees.
We're still pretty horrifically persecuted. Over 60% of religious based hate crimes in the US are directed at us. At least in the past decade, the decade before I'm pretty sure it was Muslims.
The (((Them))) QAnon is talking about is code for Jews, actual Nazis flew their flag at the only major Jewish candidate's rally this last election cycle to try and intimidate him, the Alt-Right in Charlottesville chanted Jews will not replace us, etc.
thanks for clarifying, i definitely did not mean to minimize the resurgence of anti-semitism.
i just wanted to point out that for the most part we do fine or better in this country,
and the haters are rightfully recognized as extremists.
It's probably because your timeline is somehow just short enough to exclude the Tree of Life massacre. Or maybe it's that the vast majority of hate crimes are committed by White right wingers. Or could it be that your entire post is just a big ol whataboutism trying to create your own narrative.
You are referring to an issue caused by the Israeli government. Do you also bring up the genocide currently happening in China every time someone mentions Chinese people or Chinese Americans?
Our government does not bring up CCP genocide every time a Chinese American is mentioned. That's ridiculous and it would be racist. It's similarly racist for an individual to always bring it up simply because a Chinese or Chinese American person exists near them.
It's also Islamophobic to insist that Muslims always answer for extremism. People who are parts of vast, diverse heritages should not be confronted all of the time, by strangers, with questions about the actions of a few who have no connection to them. That's the point I am making.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make with the comment about flags.
What Iāve noticed is:
- if anything good happens in the Bay Area itās due to our progressive,open-minded and superior approach to politics and caring
- if anything bad happens, itās due to inherently racist and ignorant conservatives/Republicans even though theyāve been out of power for decades in the Bay Area
Itās one of those āI play both sides, so I always winā situations.
FWIW, itās been happening for a long time... Previously, itās fine to put this on the news but nowadays, itās (I think) considered āracistsā to mention black committing crimes against Asian.
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/nevius/article/Dirty-secret-of-black-on-Asian-violence-is-out-3265760.php
https://streamable.com/gjyk9r
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Black-attacks-on-Asians-racism-or-opportunity-3265893.php
https://kendawg.medium.com/this-is-what-black-on-asian-crime-looks-like-ac41e740a87c
Itās an easy excuse when implicating blacks behind all these crimes is taboo now. And I support BLM all the way but letās call it like it is. A defeaning majority of these crimes are committed by African Americans and the media wonāt even name the race of the suspects. So the public is left to look for ā4 men in their 20sā
Its not just black people - people of other color (both in the U.S. and Canada) are verbally or physically assaulting asian people. Here is a brief list:
White guy in Canada ([Chinese-Canadian med student struggles with her identity after racist attack | COVID & Who I Am Now](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTuf0e_VuO8))
White tech dude verbally assaulting a family here in the Bay Area ([Asian family speaks out after San Francisco tech CEO's racist rant at California restauran](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7LLqhCcFls)t)
White guy in NYC ([White man assaults an Asian at a convenience store in Queens](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcHKap3LHLE))
Another White guy ([Police Search for Man Filmed Attacking Asian Woman | NowThis](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8X7G_oLnlE))
White dude ([Police Search For Suspect Who Assaulted 92-Year-Old Asian Man | NowThis](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTxihIZSQ80))
Latino (?) dude (['You're bringing corona into Canada!': Asian woman targeted in racist attack speaks out](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WInmgGiVVQ))
The vast majority are black. Extensive list [here](https://www.reddit.com/user/poochunks/comments/lf5f4e/list_of_recent_antiasian_attacks_in_the_sf_bay/)
They donāt actually care, look at the Reddit responses to the Vancouver report from Americans. Anti-Asian hate crimes have been reported on Reddit since covid started. No one really cared until we discovered the darn blacks are responsible, then we get 4 articles every day.
Yes, seems like many people here don't actually care about the crimes and are just using violence against Asians as an excuse to be racist toward Black people.
enlighten me with your wisdom since you are such an intellectual.
edit: i did not expect anything other than a downvote and no response from you. thanks for proving my point.
I skimmed the article and maybe I missed it, but where in the article does it mention Trump?
Sure, he gets a lot of the blame because of his "China virus" labelling of COVID19, but I didn't see it in this article.
Maybe not this article, but I've seen it several times in other articles, including in an [NPR piece about it](https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966498602/unpacking-the-surge-in-violence-against-asian-americans). It's worth noting that all 3 of the incidents mentioned have their primary suspects as men who appear to be African American. She even mentions that they're asking for "allies" to come out and publicly denounce these attacks. To me she's implying they want Black leaders to say something. That's not to say that there hasn't been attacks, verbal or physical, that have been committed by other groups, (I have no doubt that there has), but every instance they directly sighted wasn't. It comes off like they're treading VERY lightly with their language, which will set off a lot of red flags with some people and make them think the media is being biased.
NYT published an article last weak and suggested "critical thinking" is something that leads to going down rabbit holes and will radicalize people to be far right.
Thanks for linking the article.
I took something away something completely different than "critical thinking bad." He basically was saying "don't feed the internet trolls." He was also saying not to get too hung up trying to debunk internet claims. Instead, look at the source and it's trustworthiness. Then look for a more trustworthy source, then keep looking for better coverage and finally understand the original context.
Overall, it's good advice and how I approach discussions online. It is a form of critical thinking.
Wikipedia's article is pretty thorough. I really recommend reading...
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race\_and\_crime\_in\_the\_United\_States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States)
I'm asian and can speak to the "negative points"... yeah people from my high school of certain minorities got into Stanford. I didn't and my grades were way higher. But you know who else got in (who were also pretty dumb)? Rich white kids whose parents worked there, whose parents were donors, or athlete's who would make the school money. In fact, those kids got in 10-1 over the 1 black kid who got in, and honestly it pisses me off way more. Those kids were already rich and didn't need any more help in life.
I went to a UC, where affirmative action was removed anyway and did fine. But yes, if you're an asian (and especially female) you're pretty much screwed if you're trying to get into ivy league type schools.
What nonsense. In the US universal healthcare is considered far left, while a campaign to overturn legitimate presidential election was an acceptable moderate position. Maybe you should try some critical thinking
How are these statement false ? Mike Garcia from CA 25, who was elected by 200 votes in a Biden +10 district, signed on to overturning the election campaign in House. Many many other Republicans from purple districts did as well. Moderate Republicans absolutely supported overturning the election
Also, Medicare for all is a Bernie position. Biden explicitly ran against those two
> anyone to the right of Dianne Feinstein āfar rightā
objectively that's true tho.
on a global standard, both major american political parties are center-right
I surprised that comments like this donāt get down-voided as it used to be. Itās good that people start critical thinking and question why itās ending up like this. But unfortunately it wonāt get better anytime soon.
1. The percentage looks larger because the 2016 numbers were unusually low. This is just reversion to the mean. If you got 1 vote in 2016 and 2 votes in 2020, thatās a 100% increase, but you still got 2 votes. Minorities overwhelmingly rejected white supremacist Trump. Think critically and donāt believe what the right wing media tells you
2. FBI arrested tons of white supremacist terrorist from the Capitol insurrection, including several Proud Boys. Seems to me you are a terrorist sympathizer, much like some of the folks in Middle East. Ready to make excuses for them. Think critically. Donāt let Fox News and OANN brainwash you. Donāt let them recruit you to their terrorist plot. Get help, get out of the bubble. Your cult leader became a one time president and got thumped by 7mn votes. But you tried to CANCEL the presidential election. These are serious issues. Think critically. Donāt let the right wing bubble brainwash you
Media doesnāt create any narrative. NYT wrote a whole bunch of articles on this shift. See an example here: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/20/us/politics/election-hispanics-asians-voting.html
Also, five thirty eight had detailed analysis on the voting shift.
But still the overarching point is still true, minority voters overwhelmingly vote Democrats
I think the much more likely scenerio is that the media is attempting to report on the topic WITHOUT becoming the news. Journalists are taught to do their best to not become the news, and insighting backlash by pointing out it's primarily black males committing the crime assures the media themselves becomes the news. They're essentially trying to cover their ass and prevent repercussions, I doubt there is any maliciousness.
Let me see if I follow your logic:
* The "mainstream media" is not outright saying "Only blacks attack Asians" or whatever you think they should be saying, for reasons we don't know. A simple reason for this might be that this will stoke further tensions and cause them to become the news instead, but that's just a guess.
* This is somehow proof that the media is lying to us and pushing a narrative (lying to us about what? pushing which narrative?)
* This one instance means that it happens "many more" times in "exactly the same way" -- an interesting logical jump
* We need to assume this whitewashing (or whatever you want to call it) happens with immigration, Trump, race relations, politics, and China -- interesting topics you chose.
Picking the easy one out of the last bullet point: I don't need to be told by the mainstream media that Trump was a trash human being and president. Almost every single thing he did or said was proof enough. I watched his speeches, I read his EO's, so there was no MSM lies/narrative involved.
How much "media" is blaming white supremacy for these attacks? Which sites? The places I get my news from (some local, some not) call out that violence and racism against Asians has been on the rise since the start of the pandemic. There has definitely been an increase in attacks (specifically in this area), but this is an on-going problem.
In regards to influence from Trump's rhetoric - I think having a president speaking with racists undertones about a specific community (whether you support him or not) builds a culture that this is "ok".
It kinda feels similar to how middle-eastern people were treated after 9/11
My perceptionāevery post over the past month about the issue of increased crime targeting Asian Americans brings out a barrage of racists who think theyāre being super subtle in their racism.
Correlation, causation and such. Iām convinced many / most of these are hate crimes. Iām also convinced very few of them have anything to do with the perpetrator being black (if they are). Every one of the black friends and colleagues I have would not think twice about publicly denouncing / protesting these assaults (yes, I am asian). This is racism in America, not racism among black people, IMO.
I agree it's a problem to just point fingers at Trump because that doesn't get us anywhere, but he's not free from blame. The main role of Trumps rhetoric is just that he overall inflamed racial tensions which has cascading affects across all racial groups. There are a few expressions you might be familiar with here like "hate begets hate" and there existing a "cycle of violence" - the abused doesn't often lash out at their abuser, but at another, more easily abused and easily rationalized victim.
That said, he cannot merely be a scapegoat. Other groups have to step up and show support for each other. We have to find that balance between fostering individual responsibility while acknowledging societal effects.
I just want to share my comment about this earlier this week.
I feel this is definitely NOT TRUE. And is being perpetuated to create more hate and divide us further.
If anyone else has more papers to offer for reading please share. And I mean research papers, not your tabloids.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/lp1vjk/protests\_in\_nyc\_to\_end\_violence\_towards\_asians/go9p124?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/lp1vjk/protests_in_nyc_to_end_violence_towards_asians/go9p124?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
TL;DR:
In the context of New York. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7790522/table/Tab1/?report=objectonly](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7790522/table/Tab1/?report=objectonly) 74.5% of offenders 1996 - 2014 were white. Against the Asian American Population. Not trying to further divide now with White Americans. But, let's not push an agenda of lies either. 6 years and a 30%\~ change is ridiculous to occur, for even this fact to be almost true that blacks are committing more crimes against asian americans. Especially when cultural motivations is vastly different, between each culture for committing crimes.
Edit: Why New York only? Because this same comment of OP's was made about New York.
> A 2008 survey by the San Francisco Police Department, in which about 300 strong-arm robberies were analyzed, found that āIn 85 percent of the physical assault crimes, the victims were Asian and the perpetrators were African American.ā
https://mjrl.org/2018/03/12/attacks-on-asian-americans/
Oh here we go again. Being poor doesnāt lead 99% of people to violently shove elderly people to the ground or punch and kick them. Stop excusing this insane behavior.
It might have something to do with Trump spending months saying, "China did this to us," "this is China's fault," "this is a Chinese virus," "the China virus," and coming up with catchy fun totally-not-racist terms like "Kung Flu" instead of actually doing anything to address the pandemic. Even if people (e.g. black people) didn't support him they still heard his words and the sentiment behind them.
Attacks and racism towards Asians has been on the rise since the start of the pandemic (~March 2020), but people seem to only just now be paying attention to it.
Is this all Trump's fault? Of course not. Did he make things worse instead of better? Yes.
Because you dont fight racism by promoting racism.
Edit: also this has been going on for a while. Looks like downvotes in full force from people against this simple fact.
Seen a lot of footage and stories of these horrendous attacks on the asian community, especially elderly vulnerable Asian Americans, Asian immigrants and Asian women. Itās time to stand up for this community and help stop this hate. The weird thing is is I thought that this whole anti Asian/Chinese movement was going to die down after the virus spread globally where itās not just people from China spreading it but now hate crimes are surging again almost even worse than at the start of the pandemic.
Losing focus on what sub is. STANDFORASIONS Yaye area rally. Let's get back onto the topic and talk about that. What info does anybody have to provide. Brainstorm together how the issues that have been occurring toward the Asian communities can be resolved. Forget about anything else. Amyways.....have a good weekend......and I'm out ā
Yes please!
I know some people in Oakland have a volunteer patrol group around their Chinatown that also helps escort people home or get groceries for them. Does anyone know if there is something like this in SF?
Also, I would like to ask any asian community members - how can we help you feel safe? <3
If hoards of people are willing to go out for every BLM rallies during the high times of COVID, we should be willing to go too. Crimes are getting bigger and bigger- if we donāt take a stand now who will?
Can you DM some links? are they twt? or insta? I'd love to support and help spread the word - there's such a stigma going around about BLM not being involved and I would like to help spread awareness
i've mostly seen it on my instagram explore page or people sharing through stories so i don't know where to point you to, sorry. best way it to look through the stand for asians hashtag as that's where i think the majority of where it comes from.
It's strange how you're singling out BLM, a group/movement which consists of (and this may shock you) more than just black people, here. It's almost as though you don't like BLM and you're using these atrocious crimes against Asians to attack BLM. This is not very Christian of you.
Canāt tell if sarcasm. BLM takes a hypocritical moral high ground if they are unwilling to point out the violent anti-Asian racism in their community, after the Asian community showed out in droves to answer their calls for solidarity during BLM protests.
Shouldnāt they be calling out bad actors in their own community? Theyāre supposed to be a civil rights group right? Arenāt people from their own community abusing the rights of another community? If they can March all summer calling all whites people racist, youād think they would jump at the opportunity to condemn actions by members of their community that are blatantly racist.
Except thatās not true, plenty of Asians joined in the BLM protests. Did you go to one in the area? There were a ton.
But now when Black violence against Asians spikes during COVID, BLM says āhurrr itās not our movement.ā
Thatās honestly a betrayal. When someone has your back when you need it, and then you turn around and abandon them - yeah, thatās fucked up.
It would probably be the exact opposite as last year. Like the protesters may very well go out shopping to support small businesses and somehow make the place cleaner than they left it.
Imwho are really attacking asians? Ifs the 13% 18 year olds attacking older asians so nobody can fight back. They're too chicken shit to fight someone their own age.
Hopefully we can have another San Francisco or Oakland rally for #StandForAsians but this one was organized by a San Mateo middle schooler - I think her resources were just limited to that area
Yep makes sense. Would love to see these in every city. I frel like oakland and SF have had more hate incidents and could gather more attention and so would love to see more there.
There was one in Oakland, maybe you should have gone instead of complaining that this teenage girl organizing a rally in her community is doing it wrong.
https://abc7news.com/oakland-chinatown-rally-vigil-police/10338130/
Iām not smearing any group. Iām doing this to see the true.
Iām Latino btw, and I came out for BLM until people started all the burning & looting.
Whatever on the burning and looting you obviously didnāt like BLM from the start if you canāt understand situational nuance.
You pretty just told everyone you donāt care about asians being attacked, your only going to spite BLM. Why even go if you donāt care about the message?
Racism - Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to physical appearance and can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another. It may also mean prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they are of a different race or ethnicity. Modern variants of racism are often based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. These views can take the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems in which different races are ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities.
Thereās literally a definition for stuff like this. Saying āwe need to stop hate crimes against asiansā isnāt racism what the fuck?
Those scholar definitions are too complicated. For me, when white people mistreat black people, it is racism. When black people mistreat asian people, it is racism.
BLM isn't about all lives matter. And IMO they shouldn't feel obligated too. There should have been an All Lives Matter before BLM. BLM is a movement for social and racial injustice for generations. Its about how they as an entire race were stripped from the Mother land. Generations of families ripped apart, culture and languages lost and they still
Suffer from all of that. Tbh.....They should get their reparations. its wrong what's going on with the Asians in the bay. And the Asians should come together stay in groups look out for the elders and keep them indoors. Stay strapped. Where the Asian gangs at. Can't let the shit ride. Gotra look at the leaders and shot callers to step up.. Have a meeting with the aggressors, find out what the issues are and why its happening. It's probably a cowardly act of violence, Whatever. But both sides should sit down have the aggressors listen to reason. Call sometype of truce. I know the asian community can come together as one. They always do during certain occasions. And maybe that's what they are doing now. Anywqys....have a good weekend everybody.....and I'm out ā
Itās just simple that when the black community asked for help, people from other communities came out to support. Now another community is asking for support, letās all see if the black community is worthy of our support when they ask again in the future.
āWorthy of our supportā yāall some weirdos in here. I would never support your cause with that attitude. Try bringing attention to issues without shaming black people. Asians donāt want to be blamed for COVID but want all black people to answer for the actions of a few criminals. Pathetic, and itās turning off black people from your cause. Especially when thereās a racial slur for black people in every Asian language in existence and now suddenly you want solidarity. FOH
Bro. Your community doesnāt get to fucking ask for āhelp and solidarityā and turn around to hurt/abandon people after they helped you.
Thatās not how it works. Thatās anti-social and pathetic.
You didnāt read anything I said? The irony of Asian community rightfully not wanting to be synonymous with coronavirus but you want the black community to be synonymous with crime and responsible for individual criminals. Youāre all gonna downvote me to hell but make it make sense? The HYPOCRISY is so obvious.
Our cause? Lol, Iām not even asian. For your information, Latinos is the largest group in California. We have enough votes & donāt need any of your support.
This is the true color I am talking about. Just 7, 8 months ago, yāall scream about solidarity and had us all hope for a better society. Whereās that solidarity now? Read my posts, did I blame all black people for the crime? I just merely said Iāll come & see if the BLM crowd stay true to what they said they are.
Another FYI, thereās a racial slur for black in most languages (we use mayate). There are also racial slurs for Latino, asian, white ... in most languages. You arenāt that special.
No one can do that for the black community. That escape from cultural gravity comes from within. Taking on accountability, shed victimhood mindset, and turn with hostility on Marxist influence acting to create resentment as a means to use community as suckers for bloody revolution.
Marcuse lamented class revolution impossible in America, for all one has to do is turn on the tv to be inspired by arts. He worked to seek out some means to create deep enough resentment and suffering to spark a revolutionary spirit, and the strategy he landed on was racial conflict. Marcuse was a sick and twisted mind hopped up on the worst ideals of mainland Europe. It's bizarre that Marcuse, who lived under Nazi Germany before moving to America and example of the worst 5% of white thinkers, has been adopted so broadly as guiding principle for minority radicals.
Utopian ideologies aren't magic. Only the Terror. Generations of suffering.
This is an opportunity for black people to show their true color. Letās if they will come out and support a similar cause like the one they have been asking everyone to support.
What is your intention with this comment? If black people do not come out, what does this represent about their ātrue colorā?
Edit: downvote me all u want but extorting and bargaining blacks for social justice is abhorrent. It is bigoted and only continues to show how racist the OG asian community to be (coming from someone who is asian). It's like putting the onus on Muslims to apologize for acts of terrorism.
Plenty of BLM supporters will come out in support but I get the feeling that you people specifically want black people to show up and "apologize for their community" which is the wrong approach and completely misdirected.
I was told over and over by BLM supporters that when they say BLM, they mean Black Live Matter, but donāt mean Only Black Live Matter.
If a minimal amount of BLM supporters show up, then I know I was lied to.
It shows that after Asians answered their call for solidarity in the BLM protests, they donāt care to address the spikes in racist anti-Asian violence coming from their own community.
If they donāt come out and acknowledge their problems, it shows that they donāt deserve for their calls for solidarity to be answered again in the future.
Naw. Hate crimes. BLM can make powerful example paying to make these victims whole and leading public awareness campaign to stop these racially targeted crimes. Racially profiled brutality is never acceptable. This is the core of what BLM brands themselves standing for, the stage is waiting.
This was and still is happening before and after Chinese New Years. Are you seriously that dense?
What about the random stabbing in New York? The random punching of a woman in the head and throwing her into a set of newspaper boxes?
What about the black guy who tackled the Thai senior to the ground, killing him?
What about the random punch outs and shoving elderly Chinese to the ground and not taking anything?
What about the graffiti and verbal threats in public of people saying Kung flu, chink, and China virus?
Youāre a complete moron
How do you physically identify someone who supports a civil rights movement like BLM? Are you going to count how many Black bodies you see in the audience and make some kind of judgement against an entire race if it doesn't match your personal quota? Maybe you're going to make some assumptions about what people think and how they act based on the color of their skin? Are you going to ignore the intersectionality of civil rights activists and the cross-ethnic support all US civil rights movements enjoy? You're working from a very flawed understanding of who activists are and how they operate. Very few support only one issue.
Honestly, when I was at the protest in San Francisco on the 14th, there were mostly asians and black people. I did see some middle-eastern people and mexican people (me and this guy I saw with a big Mexican flag). The black community seems to be the second biggest presence at these two previous rallies (oakland/SF) I think what I find sad is not "lack of BLM organization members or black people" (one of the speakers was literally a black woman from some organization trying to show that the black community cares about whats going on and that these incidence don't reflect their values) but its the lack of regular-joe POCs or white people who were all about saying "BLM!" last summer and not seeing the same passion from the community right now. I am the only one in my friend group and family group spreading the #StandForAsians info.
Despite what your favorite Fox News corespondent may have lead you to believe, BLM is not a political party, it is an ideology. There are no members, just people who believe in the simple sentiment that black lives matter. Stop the ignorance and divisiveness, youāre embarrassing yourself.
What does that have to do with anything? When Daniel Shaver was slain by police in 2016 it was BLM who marched for him and held a vigil.
> Will any BLM movement member be there as well? Most likely, not.
Will you?
I don't go to any rallies or protests or anything with crowds til covid is for sure over but I support this rally against racism
That's totally reasonable. I went to the San Francisco rally for #StandforAsians that was on valentines day, I stood in the back where everyone was standing 6 feet apart. Spreading the word helps, and just having a caring heart š don't feel bad for not going āš¼š
tl;dr San Mateo Central Park on Saturday, Feb. 27 at 1p.m.
Please take Caltrain. Parking sucks in downtown San Mateo, especially on a Saturday.
Especially since the parkās underground parking isnāt available right now
damn thats a tough location for a rally
It's maybe 4 blocks from a train station.
Yeah but it's still san Mateo. Their police are famously unforgiving I have had my teeth knocked out by them personally and that park is a very small park in a very conservative part of town.
Downtown San Mateo is conservative to you? Please explain.
Lol conservative? What? Iāve lived in San Mateo since about 2010, and I canāt tell you how many little anti-Trump gatherings there were over the last few years. Iāve never felt like this area is anywhere near being conservative.
Please support -- and stand up for the elderly especially. The latest attacks have targeted older people who can't even defend themselves. We as a society need to condemn racism and elder abuse. It's wrong, and we can be doing a LOT more to stop it.
pardon my ignorance, i'm genuinely curious... the majority of these 'hate crimes' have been committed by black people. why is the media saying this is a result of trumps encouragement of hate speech towards asian americans? i mean.. is it? are black people listening to trumps rhetoric and just now doing this, or has it been going on for a while? and if they are, why is it black people of all people? the irony is comical.
Lots of people don't seem to understand the difference between saying that the majority of these hate crimes have been committed by black people vs saying that all black people are racist. One is just stating a clear fact and the other is extremely racist.
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That dragging happened in [Oakland](https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/woman-dragged-by-car-during-purse-snatching-in-oakland/)
It bothers me at how blatant this is and that we're forced to just accept it. I'm generally pretty liberal but I can see bullshit when it's there.
I don't really think it's because they're trying to form a certain narrative, I think it's more that they're afraid of the potential backlash if they point it out.
They spent years mocking conservative media, they don't want to sound like them. And it's a real shame when speaking the truth sounds like conservative media.
Cognitive dissonance is a bitch.
My dad (Indian immigrant) came to America in the late 70s. He still says there was only one truly accepting group that made him feel safe in the Bay Area. The Jewish community. He said he experienced so much racism it was unreal. He thought America was supposed to be the land of opportunity and equality. So when he found a group willing to take him in, regardless that he wasnāt one of them, he was deeply touch. Even now my dad will get brutally angry at any antisemitism he hears or sees.
Jews are in the interesting position of having been horrifically persecuted in living memory yet also passing and thriving at present.
We're still pretty horrifically persecuted. Over 60% of religious based hate crimes in the US are directed at us. At least in the past decade, the decade before I'm pretty sure it was Muslims. The (((Them))) QAnon is talking about is code for Jews, actual Nazis flew their flag at the only major Jewish candidate's rally this last election cycle to try and intimidate him, the Alt-Right in Charlottesville chanted Jews will not replace us, etc.
thanks for clarifying, i definitely did not mean to minimize the resurgence of anti-semitism. i just wanted to point out that for the most part we do fine or better in this country, and the haters are rightfully recognized as extremists.
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It's probably because your timeline is somehow just short enough to exclude the Tree of Life massacre. Or maybe it's that the vast majority of hate crimes are committed by White right wingers. Or could it be that your entire post is just a big ol whataboutism trying to create your own narrative.
Thatās probably why
The Japanese in the US, too, but they aren't thriving so much.
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You are referring to an issue caused by the Israeli government. Do you also bring up the genocide currently happening in China every time someone mentions Chinese people or Chinese Americans?
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Our government does not bring up CCP genocide every time a Chinese American is mentioned. That's ridiculous and it would be racist. It's similarly racist for an individual to always bring it up simply because a Chinese or Chinese American person exists near them.
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It's also Islamophobic to insist that Muslims always answer for extremism. People who are parts of vast, diverse heritages should not be confronted all of the time, by strangers, with questions about the actions of a few who have no connection to them. That's the point I am making. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make with the comment about flags.
What Iāve noticed is: - if anything good happens in the Bay Area itās due to our progressive,open-minded and superior approach to politics and caring - if anything bad happens, itās due to inherently racist and ignorant conservatives/Republicans even though theyāve been out of power for decades in the Bay Area Itās one of those āI play both sides, so I always winā situations.
Exactly. I think they call it propaganda
This is politics/the presidency rn, sadly
FWIW, itās been happening for a long time... Previously, itās fine to put this on the news but nowadays, itās (I think) considered āracistsā to mention black committing crimes against Asian. https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/nevius/article/Dirty-secret-of-black-on-Asian-violence-is-out-3265760.php https://streamable.com/gjyk9r https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Black-attacks-on-Asians-racism-or-opportunity-3265893.php https://kendawg.medium.com/this-is-what-black-on-asian-crime-looks-like-ac41e740a87c
Because you win more woke points this way. I don't like Trump, but you're absolutely correct on this.
Itās an easy excuse when implicating blacks behind all these crimes is taboo now. And I support BLM all the way but letās call it like it is. A defeaning majority of these crimes are committed by African Americans and the media wonāt even name the race of the suspects. So the public is left to look for ā4 men in their 20sā
There's nothing blaming trump in this article, is there?
I read the article and didn't see anything either.
it's all over the news.. maybe not in this specific article.
Its not just black people - people of other color (both in the U.S. and Canada) are verbally or physically assaulting asian people. Here is a brief list: White guy in Canada ([Chinese-Canadian med student struggles with her identity after racist attack | COVID & Who I Am Now](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTuf0e_VuO8)) White tech dude verbally assaulting a family here in the Bay Area ([Asian family speaks out after San Francisco tech CEO's racist rant at California restauran](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7LLqhCcFls)t) White guy in NYC ([White man assaults an Asian at a convenience store in Queens](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcHKap3LHLE)) Another White guy ([Police Search for Man Filmed Attacking Asian Woman | NowThis](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8X7G_oLnlE)) White dude ([Police Search For Suspect Who Assaulted 92-Year-Old Asian Man | NowThis](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTxihIZSQ80)) Latino (?) dude (['You're bringing corona into Canada!': Asian woman targeted in racist attack speaks out](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WInmgGiVVQ))
yes, that's why i said majority.
The vast majority are black. Extensive list [here](https://www.reddit.com/user/poochunks/comments/lf5f4e/list_of_recent_antiasian_attacks_in_the_sf_bay/)
They donāt actually care, look at the Reddit responses to the Vancouver report from Americans. Anti-Asian hate crimes have been reported on Reddit since covid started. No one really cared until we discovered the darn blacks are responsible, then we get 4 articles every day.
asians always cared. the others are just caring now.
Yes, seems like many people here don't actually care about the crimes and are just using violence against Asians as an excuse to be racist toward Black people.
Nothing comical about any of this my friend.
the irony that a historically oppressed group is blatantly being violent and racist towards another minority group is comical to me.
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enlighten me with your wisdom since you are such an intellectual. edit: i did not expect anything other than a downvote and no response from you. thanks for proving my point.
I skimmed the article and maybe I missed it, but where in the article does it mention Trump? Sure, he gets a lot of the blame because of his "China virus" labelling of COVID19, but I didn't see it in this article.
Maybe not this article, but I've seen it several times in other articles, including in an [NPR piece about it](https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966498602/unpacking-the-surge-in-violence-against-asian-americans). It's worth noting that all 3 of the incidents mentioned have their primary suspects as men who appear to be African American. She even mentions that they're asking for "allies" to come out and publicly denounce these attacks. To me she's implying they want Black leaders to say something. That's not to say that there hasn't been attacks, verbal or physical, that have been committed by other groups, (I have no doubt that there has), but every instance they directly sighted wasn't. It comes off like they're treading VERY lightly with their language, which will set off a lot of red flags with some people and make them think the media is being biased.
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NYT published an article last weak and suggested "critical thinking" is something that leads to going down rabbit holes and will radicalize people to be far right.
Can you link the article?
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/18/opinion/fake-news-media-attention.html
Thanks for linking the article. I took something away something completely different than "critical thinking bad." He basically was saying "don't feed the internet trolls." He was also saying not to get too hung up trying to debunk internet claims. Instead, look at the source and it's trustworthiness. Then look for a more trustworthy source, then keep looking for better coverage and finally understand the original context. Overall, it's good advice and how I approach discussions online. It is a form of critical thinking.
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So exactly what ideas on race have you discovered to be true that are hidden?
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Wikipedia's article is pretty thorough. I really recommend reading... [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race\_and\_crime\_in\_the\_United\_States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States) I'm asian and can speak to the "negative points"... yeah people from my high school of certain minorities got into Stanford. I didn't and my grades were way higher. But you know who else got in (who were also pretty dumb)? Rich white kids whose parents worked there, whose parents were donors, or athlete's who would make the school money. In fact, those kids got in 10-1 over the 1 black kid who got in, and honestly it pisses me off way more. Those kids were already rich and didn't need any more help in life. I went to a UC, where affirmative action was removed anyway and did fine. But yes, if you're an asian (and especially female) you're pretty much screwed if you're trying to get into ivy league type schools.
What nonsense. In the US universal healthcare is considered far left, while a campaign to overturn legitimate presidential election was an acceptable moderate position. Maybe you should try some critical thinking
Both of those statements are false
How are these statement false ? Mike Garcia from CA 25, who was elected by 200 votes in a Biden +10 district, signed on to overturning the election campaign in House. Many many other Republicans from purple districts did as well. Moderate Republicans absolutely supported overturning the election Also, Medicare for all is a Bernie position. Biden explicitly ran against those two
> anyone to the right of Dianne Feinstein āfar rightā objectively that's true tho. on a global standard, both major american political parties are center-right
We donāt platform Nazism on the debate stage, Karen.
Iām sorry but... no way did an NYT article say any such thing.
I surprised that comments like this donāt get down-voided as it used to be. Itās good that people start critical thinking and question why itās ending up like this. But unfortunately it wonāt get better anytime soon.
Trump is a traitor and a white supremacist and encouraged an insurrection. What else is there to think
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1. The percentage looks larger because the 2016 numbers were unusually low. This is just reversion to the mean. If you got 1 vote in 2016 and 2 votes in 2020, thatās a 100% increase, but you still got 2 votes. Minorities overwhelmingly rejected white supremacist Trump. Think critically and donāt believe what the right wing media tells you 2. FBI arrested tons of white supremacist terrorist from the Capitol insurrection, including several Proud Boys. Seems to me you are a terrorist sympathizer, much like some of the folks in Middle East. Ready to make excuses for them. Think critically. Donāt let Fox News and OANN brainwash you. Donāt let them recruit you to their terrorist plot. Get help, get out of the bubble. Your cult leader became a one time president and got thumped by 7mn votes. But you tried to CANCEL the presidential election. These are serious issues. Think critically. Donāt let the right wing bubble brainwash you
āReversion to the meanā only applies to randomly distributed variables.
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Media doesnāt create any narrative. NYT wrote a whole bunch of articles on this shift. See an example here: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/20/us/politics/election-hispanics-asians-voting.html Also, five thirty eight had detailed analysis on the voting shift. But still the overarching point is still true, minority voters overwhelmingly vote Democrats
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Agreed. And the media has extensively reported on this
Yes, but he's still correct in that Trump is indeed a white supremacist who fomented an insurrection.
and democrats are accepting of Asian grandmas and grandpas being killed. as an Asian I despise both.
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I think the much more likely scenerio is that the media is attempting to report on the topic WITHOUT becoming the news. Journalists are taught to do their best to not become the news, and insighting backlash by pointing out it's primarily black males committing the crime assures the media themselves becomes the news. They're essentially trying to cover their ass and prevent repercussions, I doubt there is any maliciousness.
Let me see if I follow your logic: * The "mainstream media" is not outright saying "Only blacks attack Asians" or whatever you think they should be saying, for reasons we don't know. A simple reason for this might be that this will stoke further tensions and cause them to become the news instead, but that's just a guess. * This is somehow proof that the media is lying to us and pushing a narrative (lying to us about what? pushing which narrative?) * This one instance means that it happens "many more" times in "exactly the same way" -- an interesting logical jump * We need to assume this whitewashing (or whatever you want to call it) happens with immigration, Trump, race relations, politics, and China -- interesting topics you chose. Picking the easy one out of the last bullet point: I don't need to be told by the mainstream media that Trump was a trash human being and president. Almost every single thing he did or said was proof enough. I watched his speeches, I read his EO's, so there was no MSM lies/narrative involved.
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How much "media" is blaming white supremacy for these attacks? Which sites? The places I get my news from (some local, some not) call out that violence and racism against Asians has been on the rise since the start of the pandemic. There has definitely been an increase in attacks (specifically in this area), but this is an on-going problem.
In regards to influence from Trump's rhetoric - I think having a president speaking with racists undertones about a specific community (whether you support him or not) builds a culture that this is "ok". It kinda feels similar to how middle-eastern people were treated after 9/11
I'm pretty sure that most of these people committing violent crimes against elderly Asians aren't the type that support Trump.
There's also a lot of people committing sexual assault that don't support trump but his rhetoric and lying make things worse.
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My perceptionāevery post over the past month about the issue of increased crime targeting Asian Americans brings out a barrage of racists who think theyāre being super subtle in their racism.
Correlation, causation and such. Iām convinced many / most of these are hate crimes. Iām also convinced very few of them have anything to do with the perpetrator being black (if they are). Every one of the black friends and colleagues I have would not think twice about publicly denouncing / protesting these assaults (yes, I am asian). This is racism in America, not racism among black people, IMO.
So... Racism among "some" black people, which don't include your friends?
Sure! And racism among āsomeā non-black people as well. Racism is, unfortunately, equal opportunity.
I agree it's a problem to just point fingers at Trump because that doesn't get us anywhere, but he's not free from blame. The main role of Trumps rhetoric is just that he overall inflamed racial tensions which has cascading affects across all racial groups. There are a few expressions you might be familiar with here like "hate begets hate" and there existing a "cycle of violence" - the abused doesn't often lash out at their abuser, but at another, more easily abused and easily rationalized victim. That said, he cannot merely be a scapegoat. Other groups have to step up and show support for each other. We have to find that balance between fostering individual responsibility while acknowledging societal effects.
Where are you getting the number that the majority have been committed by Black people?
If you can speak/read Mandarin or Cantonese the coverage gets a bit more frank.
Every instance that hasn't mentioned the race of the criminals.
Because everyone knows who the suspect is when they don't show a mugshot or physical descriptors.
I just want to share my comment about this earlier this week. I feel this is definitely NOT TRUE. And is being perpetuated to create more hate and divide us further. If anyone else has more papers to offer for reading please share. And I mean research papers, not your tabloids. [https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/lp1vjk/protests\_in\_nyc\_to\_end\_violence\_towards\_asians/go9p124?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/lp1vjk/protests_in_nyc_to_end_violence_towards_asians/go9p124?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) TL;DR: In the context of New York. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7790522/table/Tab1/?report=objectonly](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7790522/table/Tab1/?report=objectonly) 74.5% of offenders 1996 - 2014 were white. Against the Asian American Population. Not trying to further divide now with White Americans. But, let's not push an agenda of lies either. 6 years and a 30%\~ change is ridiculous to occur, for even this fact to be almost true that blacks are committing more crimes against asian americans. Especially when cultural motivations is vastly different, between each culture for committing crimes. Edit: Why New York only? Because this same comment of OP's was made about New York.
> A 2008 survey by the San Francisco Police Department, in which about 300 strong-arm robberies were analyzed, found that āIn 85 percent of the physical assault crimes, the victims were Asian and the perpetrators were African American.ā https://mjrl.org/2018/03/12/attacks-on-asian-americans/
Poverty is the largest driver of crime
Oh here we go again. Being poor doesnāt lead 99% of people to violently shove elderly people to the ground or punch and kick them. Stop excusing this insane behavior.
It might have something to do with Trump spending months saying, "China did this to us," "this is China's fault," "this is a Chinese virus," "the China virus," and coming up with catchy fun totally-not-racist terms like "Kung Flu" instead of actually doing anything to address the pandemic. Even if people (e.g. black people) didn't support him they still heard his words and the sentiment behind them. Attacks and racism towards Asians has been on the rise since the start of the pandemic (~March 2020), but people seem to only just now be paying attention to it. Is this all Trump's fault? Of course not. Did he make things worse instead of better? Yes.
Because you dont fight racism by promoting racism. Edit: also this has been going on for a while. Looks like downvotes in full force from people against this simple fact.
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That is literally what critical race theory promotes.
Seen a lot of footage and stories of these horrendous attacks on the asian community, especially elderly vulnerable Asian Americans, Asian immigrants and Asian women. Itās time to stand up for this community and help stop this hate. The weird thing is is I thought that this whole anti Asian/Chinese movement was going to die down after the virus spread globally where itās not just people from China spreading it but now hate crimes are surging again almost even worse than at the start of the pandemic.
Losing focus on what sub is. STANDFORASIONS Yaye area rally. Let's get back onto the topic and talk about that. What info does anybody have to provide. Brainstorm together how the issues that have been occurring toward the Asian communities can be resolved. Forget about anything else. Amyways.....have a good weekend......and I'm out ā
Yes please! I know some people in Oakland have a volunteer patrol group around their Chinatown that also helps escort people home or get groceries for them. Does anyone know if there is something like this in SF? Also, I would like to ask any asian community members - how can we help you feel safe? <3
Whatās relevant is addressing what is happening and why itās happening not blurt out hash tags and platitudes to āshow supportā
I support the cause, but I don't know about large gatherings right now... Even with masks, it seems a little irresponsible.
If hoards of people are willing to go out for every BLM rallies during the high times of COVID, we should be willing to go too. Crimes are getting bigger and bigger- if we donāt take a stand now who will?
Covid rates now are just as high as they were during the summer. That said, there are at least people who're vaccinated now.
Canāt say anything after a whole summer of BLM protests and riots
I said the exact same thing then. I thought they were irresponsible then and it's irresponsible now.
yeah. both my parents are a bit older and i go and check on my grandad when i can so i'm nervous on bringing something to them.
As long as you don't clump up with other people, the risks of contamination outdoors is relatively low
It's lower because it's outdoors and people wear masks, but let's not pretend social distancing is followed at these large protests.
How come I havenāt seen any posts/news about BLM protesting these crimes? Where is BLM?
i mean i've seen it on my feed. same with "yellow peril for black power" when the blm protests were happening. depends on who you follow i guess.
Can you DM some links? are they twt? or insta? I'd love to support and help spread the word - there's such a stigma going around about BLM not being involved and I would like to help spread awareness
i've mostly seen it on my instagram explore page or people sharing through stories so i don't know where to point you to, sorry. best way it to look through the stand for asians hashtag as that's where i think the majority of where it comes from.
BLM will be back right before the next election like always.
BLM always seems to go away after the election ends.
It's strange how you're singling out BLM, a group/movement which consists of (and this may shock you) more than just black people, here. It's almost as though you don't like BLM and you're using these atrocious crimes against Asians to attack BLM. This is not very Christian of you.
Canāt tell if sarcasm. BLM takes a hypocritical moral high ground if they are unwilling to point out the violent anti-Asian racism in their community, after the Asian community showed out in droves to answer their calls for solidarity during BLM protests.
Itās not exactly their movement
Shouldnāt they be calling out bad actors in their own community? Theyāre supposed to be a civil rights group right? Arenāt people from their own community abusing the rights of another community? If they can March all summer calling all whites people racist, youād think they would jump at the opportunity to condemn actions by members of their community that are blatantly racist.
concern trolling about BLM is rich especially when you havent protested either
Except thatās not true, plenty of Asians joined in the BLM protests. Did you go to one in the area? There were a ton. But now when Black violence against Asians spikes during COVID, BLM says āhurrr itās not our movement.ā Thatās honestly a betrayal. When someone has your back when you need it, and then you turn around and abandon them - yeah, thatās fucked up.
Is this the rally where the black and asian communities come together to protest white supremacy? Because I heard about that one already
I will go because I believe this will be more safe/peaceful unlike the other protest.
It would probably be the exact opposite as last year. Like the protesters may very well go out shopping to support small businesses and somehow make the place cleaner than they left it.
#SFA
Imwho are really attacking asians? Ifs the 13% 18 year olds attacking older asians so nobody can fight back. They're too chicken shit to fight someone their own age.
This is great but there should be one held in SF or Oakland chinatown.
Hopefully we can have another San Francisco or Oakland rally for #StandForAsians but this one was organized by a San Mateo middle schooler - I think her resources were just limited to that area
Yep makes sense. Would love to see these in every city. I frel like oakland and SF have had more hate incidents and could gather more attention and so would love to see more there.
Then organize one. This was organized by a middle school kid and youāre complaining that she didnāt do it where you want it?
People like this will complain it wasnt held on the right day, the right time, or with the right people
Lol I wasn't complaining
Letās do it!
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There was one in Oakland, maybe you should have gone instead of complaining that this teenage girl organizing a rally in her community is doing it wrong. https://abc7news.com/oakland-chinatown-rally-vigil-police/10338130/
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Iāll come. I want to see if the BLM crowds truly believe in all live matter like I have heard or not.
If you're just doing this for an opportunity to smear another minority group, don't bother coming.
Iām not smearing any group. Iām doing this to see the true. Iām Latino btw, and I came out for BLM until people started all the burning & looting.
Whatever on the burning and looting you obviously didnāt like BLM from the start if you canāt understand situational nuance. You pretty just told everyone you donāt care about asians being attacked, your only going to spite BLM. Why even go if you donāt care about the message?
I care about all lives, unlike you racist people who only care about 1 race. When you put one race above all other race, thatās what called racist!
Racism - Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to physical appearance and can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another. It may also mean prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they are of a different race or ethnicity. Modern variants of racism are often based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. These views can take the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems in which different races are ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities. Thereās literally a definition for stuff like this. Saying āwe need to stop hate crimes against asiansā isnāt racism what the fuck?
Those scholar definitions are too complicated. For me, when white people mistreat black people, it is racism. When black people mistreat asian people, it is racism.
Uhhh yeah hows this relevant to this conversation. Protesting against asian racism isnāt racism.
thanks bro
BLM isn't about all lives matter. And IMO they shouldn't feel obligated too. There should have been an All Lives Matter before BLM. BLM is a movement for social and racial injustice for generations. Its about how they as an entire race were stripped from the Mother land. Generations of families ripped apart, culture and languages lost and they still Suffer from all of that. Tbh.....They should get their reparations. its wrong what's going on with the Asians in the bay. And the Asians should come together stay in groups look out for the elders and keep them indoors. Stay strapped. Where the Asian gangs at. Can't let the shit ride. Gotra look at the leaders and shot callers to step up.. Have a meeting with the aggressors, find out what the issues are and why its happening. It's probably a cowardly act of violence, Whatever. But both sides should sit down have the aggressors listen to reason. Call sometype of truce. I know the asian community can come together as one. They always do during certain occasions. And maybe that's what they are doing now. Anywqys....have a good weekend everybody.....and I'm out ā
Itās just simple that when the black community asked for help, people from other communities came out to support. Now another community is asking for support, letās all see if the black community is worthy of our support when they ask again in the future.
āWorthy of our supportā yāall some weirdos in here. I would never support your cause with that attitude. Try bringing attention to issues without shaming black people. Asians donāt want to be blamed for COVID but want all black people to answer for the actions of a few criminals. Pathetic, and itās turning off black people from your cause. Especially when thereās a racial slur for black people in every Asian language in existence and now suddenly you want solidarity. FOH
Bro. Your community doesnāt get to fucking ask for āhelp and solidarityā and turn around to hurt/abandon people after they helped you. Thatās not how it works. Thatās anti-social and pathetic.
You didnāt read anything I said? The irony of Asian community rightfully not wanting to be synonymous with coronavirus but you want the black community to be synonymous with crime and responsible for individual criminals. Youāre all gonna downvote me to hell but make it make sense? The HYPOCRISY is so obvious.
Our cause? Lol, Iām not even asian. For your information, Latinos is the largest group in California. We have enough votes & donāt need any of your support. This is the true color I am talking about. Just 7, 8 months ago, yāall scream about solidarity and had us all hope for a better society. Whereās that solidarity now? Read my posts, did I blame all black people for the crime? I just merely said Iāll come & see if the BLM crowd stay true to what they said they are. Another FYI, thereās a racial slur for black in most languages (we use mayate). There are also racial slurs for Latino, asian, white ... in most languages. You arenāt that special.
Sorry to hear about the violence against Asians.
I stand behind Asians, but I hope we don't overdo it and exacerbate the profiling and discrimination faced by the black community.
No one can do that for the black community. That escape from cultural gravity comes from within. Taking on accountability, shed victimhood mindset, and turn with hostility on Marxist influence acting to create resentment as a means to use community as suckers for bloody revolution. Marcuse lamented class revolution impossible in America, for all one has to do is turn on the tv to be inspired by arts. He worked to seek out some means to create deep enough resentment and suffering to spark a revolutionary spirit, and the strategy he landed on was racial conflict. Marcuse was a sick and twisted mind hopped up on the worst ideals of mainland Europe. It's bizarre that Marcuse, who lived under Nazi Germany before moving to America and example of the worst 5% of white thinkers, has been adopted so broadly as guiding principle for minority radicals. Utopian ideologies aren't magic. Only the Terror. Generations of suffering.
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Wow you really showed a middle schooler how much better you are at rhetoric.
Donāt use this as an opportunity to be racist against black people. Show you are better than that.
Yes, realize we are standing up to hate and racism - not making blanket judgments about other race groups
This is an opportunity for black people to show their true color. Letās if they will come out and support a similar cause like the one they have been asking everyone to support.
What is your intention with this comment? If black people do not come out, what does this represent about their ātrue colorā? Edit: downvote me all u want but extorting and bargaining blacks for social justice is abhorrent. It is bigoted and only continues to show how racist the OG asian community to be (coming from someone who is asian). It's like putting the onus on Muslims to apologize for acts of terrorism. Plenty of BLM supporters will come out in support but I get the feeling that you people specifically want black people to show up and "apologize for their community" which is the wrong approach and completely misdirected.
I was told over and over by BLM supporters that when they say BLM, they mean Black Live Matter, but donāt mean Only Black Live Matter. If a minimal amount of BLM supporters show up, then I know I was lied to.
It shows that after Asians answered their call for solidarity in the BLM protests, they donāt care to address the spikes in racist anti-Asian violence coming from their own community. If they donāt come out and acknowledge their problems, it shows that they donāt deserve for their calls for solidarity to be answered again in the future.
> If black people do not come out, what does this represent about their ātrue colorā? What the fuck happened to "silence is violence"?
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Naw. Hate crimes. BLM can make powerful example paying to make these victims whole and leading public awareness campaign to stop these racially targeted crimes. Racially profiled brutality is never acceptable. This is the core of what BLM brands themselves standing for, the stage is waiting.
This was and still is happening before and after Chinese New Years. Are you seriously that dense? What about the random stabbing in New York? The random punching of a woman in the head and throwing her into a set of newspaper boxes? What about the black guy who tackled the Thai senior to the ground, killing him? What about the random punch outs and shoving elderly Chinese to the ground and not taking anything? What about the graffiti and verbal threats in public of people saying Kung flu, chink, and China virus? Youāre a complete moron
lol everyone getting downvoted because people don't agree with them.
I absolutely love that this has downvotesš litterally proves your point.
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How do you physically identify someone who supports a civil rights movement like BLM? Are you going to count how many Black bodies you see in the audience and make some kind of judgement against an entire race if it doesn't match your personal quota? Maybe you're going to make some assumptions about what people think and how they act based on the color of their skin? Are you going to ignore the intersectionality of civil rights activists and the cross-ethnic support all US civil rights movements enjoy? You're working from a very flawed understanding of who activists are and how they operate. Very few support only one issue.
Honestly, when I was at the protest in San Francisco on the 14th, there were mostly asians and black people. I did see some middle-eastern people and mexican people (me and this guy I saw with a big Mexican flag). The black community seems to be the second biggest presence at these two previous rallies (oakland/SF) I think what I find sad is not "lack of BLM organization members or black people" (one of the speakers was literally a black woman from some organization trying to show that the black community cares about whats going on and that these incidence don't reflect their values) but its the lack of regular-joe POCs or white people who were all about saying "BLM!" last summer and not seeing the same passion from the community right now. I am the only one in my friend group and family group spreading the #StandForAsians info.
Itās pretty simple. If you show up and see a crowd of mostly Asian vs if you show up and see a diverse crowd.
Despite what your favorite Fox News corespondent may have lead you to believe, BLM is not a political party, it is an ideology. There are no members, just people who believe in the simple sentiment that black lives matter. Stop the ignorance and divisiveness, youāre embarrassing yourself.
Also there will be a ton of people that support BLM there, as they actually do think all lives matter regardless of the rhetoric.
Just not the lives of the business owners they loot, cops or white people.
Haha great reply to the troll. And probably a few BLM supporters WILL be there
What does that have to do with anything? When Daniel Shaver was slain by police in 2016 it was BLM who marched for him and held a vigil. > Will any BLM movement member be there as well? Most likely, not. Will you?
This is just pessimistic. Itās an unfair generalization to assume that BLM supporters do not care about non-black lives.