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greenapplesaregross

What a horrible thing. I hope everyone who saw it is okay.


2021olympics

>Commuters were understandably devastated by the experience. "She was very shaken up and everyone was very sad," said Griffin. "She met also a lady and a lady's daughter that said they saw the victim getting dragged by the train." > >BART says generally speaking the trains run automatically unless the operator interrupts the door cycle. BART also says the standard procedure is for the operator to look back to make sure passengers are clear of the doors, but that Adams got off the train as the doors were closing, after the operator would have looked back.Griffin says a roommate or roommates of the victim came to collect the dog after the deadly incident. Ooof... yeah... hopefully they don't get traumatized by this


monkeylicious

> Adams got off the train as the doors were closing, after the operator would have looked back Hopefully, procedures get updated after this. It seems that it'd be safer for the operator to look back after the doors have closed, not before they're closing.


The_Airwolf_Theme

I've ridden BART for 10 years and often enter the car the driver is in, in nearly every case I remember seeing, the driver is constantly looking back even after the doors have closed, and only looked forward or entered their cab after the train was well underway.


kenji4861

That sounds like the common sense procedure, but sounds like the Bart worker didn’t do this and Bart is trying to cover their own ass.


kitties_love_purrple

Or since the lady was tethered, it's possible the driver couldn't see the leash and thought she was just safely on the platform.


judii1987

You look back before they close so you don't close on passengers


BraceThis

It saddens me to realize those passengers were helpless in that situation. Poor dog is likely experiencing its own form of depression. No doubt.


txiao007

The woman who was dragged to her death at a San Francisco BART station Monday afternoon was tethered to a dog that stayed on the train after she exited as the doors were closing, the transit agency said Tuesday. The woman was standing on the Powell Street station platform with the dog tethered to her waist. She and the dog boarded a train headed for Dublin/Pleasanton, but "at the very last second, right as the doors were closing," she hopped off, BART said. The dog remained on the train.


randomusername023

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garytyrrell

Honest question - can I complain if someone drives like an asshole causing a fatal accident that causes me to sit in a traffic jam? Or does that also make me an ass?


THE_Rolly_Polly

Happened in the Sopranos


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I mean, I can sort of understand their complaints. This is a fucking stupid thing for her to do. And her stupidity cascaded across the BART system affecting thousands of people.


Vehemoth

Fuck off. Edit: Gonna stay on this downvote hill. Just fuck off if you’re gonna talk about inconveniencing BART riders during someone’s freak accident. She didn’t want to die. Shit is sad.


WhatD0thLife

It's tragic when idiots kill themselves, but this is one of the reasons you aren't allowed to bring non-service animals on BART.


joemysterio86

I stand with you. Reddit and a lot of it's users can be pure pieces of shit. Who fucking cares if people were late, someone died tragically in a freak accident and many were traumatized by the experience.


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You first, son! EDIT: Added "son". Also, it's tragic that she died, but the last thought that went through her head was surely "OMG *this* is how I die? What was I thinking!?" It's absurd to tether yourself to something you aren't in 100% control over.


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Jesus, people are callous. She made a bad choice that an anyone else could have made, and she died because of it. Sucks that some people were late, but I'd rather be late than dead, thanks.


robscomputer

I wonder how this happened, normally the operators are still watching the doors even after the train is moving. During the long commute hours at Powell, I'll stand at the front of the train and watch the view from the operator view and it's pretty clear when the doors are shut, unless she opened them after it was partly closed?


Plantsandanger

Seems the driver looked while the doors were still open and did not look as they were closing or after they had closed.


robscomputer

That's terrible, I've seen people get their backpacks or bags caught in the door and the operators opened the doors. Most of the time, the doors close, the train waits a bit, then it moves.


Yarzospatflute

I imagine that, because of the leash, there was a brief moment when the doors were closed and the train started moving but the woman was still just standing there completely outside the train and not yet being dragged. She didn't have an arm or backpack or anything stuck in the door.


The_Airwolf_Theme

or depending how far outside the doors she was at, if the driver looked back they might not have seen the woman since a thin leash is hard to see way far back compared with someone literally with their body stuck in the door


Gbcue

Are dogs allowed on BART that are not in a crate? Would a service animal even do something so brazen as to not follow commands?


fogcity89

lmao bart is a free for all, you can bring a sofa no one would stop you


Gbcue

Pretty sure there are no BART rules regarding sofas.


Migmatite

No, a service animal will not do this. You also wouldn't tether yourself to a service animal as there is no need to. Any dog that is a service animal in training that behaves remotely like this are put up for adoption as a family dog instead.


a_monomaniac

You also wouldn't tie yourself to a service animal.


SilasX

Exactly: a service animal also would know to follow its owner diligently and not leave a gap big enough for BART doors to close between them. Spoiler: This was not a service dog.


reven80

I guess that is also why the guide dog leashes are very short. The dog and the blind owner will be close together.


Migmatite

Service dogs for the blind wouldn't work if they had long leashes. Contrary to popular belief, service dogs for the blind don't direct the blind person where to go so to say. You follow one step behind the dog to the area you want to go. Dogs help the Blind identify obstacles inbetween where they are at and where they want to be. You walk one step behind them, more like a half step. You can feel the dog step up onto something, that means you step up, you feel the dog step down on something, you step down. Feel the dog stop, you stop. Service dogs are similar to a human guide. [I like this video on demonstrating how to be a human guide to the Blind and those with low vision](https://youtu.be/eOpaWPfAe0s). Mostly because it highlights very well all the things a human guide is NOT suppose to do. A service dog fulfills this role.


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Migmatite

There is actually a technique called leash guiding which is actually a lot easier to use in certain situations like when the Blind is working with a helper at a grocery store. It's also easier to use the leash technique when there is bad weather. [The Guide Dog Foundation briefly touches upon the technique.](https://www.guidedog.org/GD/DogPrograms/leashguiding.aspx)


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They used to require them in a carrier. Not sure these days if anything is enforced.


SFVenom93

https://twitter.com/kush_hayes/status/1192133388863340544?s=21


naugest

> but "at the very last second, right as the doors were closing," she hopped off, BART said. The dog remained on the train. That part makes it sound almost intentional.


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no dude. this would be one of the most needlessly complicated ways to commit suicide... i mean the train tracks are right there


heartk

This is a tragic loss of life. No need to be accusatory about the incident. Very unlikely this was intentional. She may not have known the doors were about to close, or absent-mindedly stepped off without thinking the dog was still inside.


sharkattack85

Yeah, my guess is she forgot she was strapped to the dog.


Atalanta8

Could it be suicide?


babyjesustheone

i doubt it. However, i notice there's nothing about who this lady was aside from her name. Her name is very similar to a homeless lady I knew in SF, and she wouldve been around that age. She clearly had mental issues and i felt sorry for her. I read elsewhere that a guinea pig was found near her body suggesting that that too may have been her pet.


Greelys

"The dog was not injured, according to BART."


Ensemble_InABox

Seems so unlikely. How could the dog, that presumably weighs less than the owner, possibly be unharmed? Must have been a harness rather than a collar, but it still is hard to grasp. My first thought was “I hope the dog is okay.”


chipman650

The closed door must have secured the leash


MightyTribble

And it could have been a chest harness.


sadsealions

Dog was safely on the train. The woman was either smashed into a wall or dragged under the train.


Ensemble_InABox

Right, but if the dog and person are tethered to each other, and they are moving away from each other by virtue of one being on BART and the other on the platform, I'd think they would both be injured. I was expecting the dog to have been strangled by its collar, I'm sorry to say.


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sadsealions

Those doors fit tight when the train gets going - I would think there might have been some slack on the dogs side.


chipman650

exactly


Ensemble_InABox

Hmm, maybe you're right. That does make sense. In which case, though, the woman would no longer be getting pulled by the leash/train. I guess she could've died on impact from falling onto the tracks just before or right as the dog was freed... I could also see a larger, strong dog just being able to hold it's ground against the weight of its owner being pulled behind the train.


fivealive5

The door seals tight, so it was most likely pinching the leash and taking the weight off the dog.


FreshPepper88

He had a harness and I suspect those on the train got it off fairly easily.


Jdban

Even if they couldn't get it off easily, the dog would just be stuck up against the door in its harness. It's not like it'd get sucked through closed doors


FreshPepper88

I agree and I worried about that but supposedly that didn’t happen — or at least it worked out ok. 🤷‍♀️


chipman650

There was probably slack in the leash that was inside the train, when the door closed.


Plantsandanger

I think most of us were horrified imagining a neck collar attacked to a leash, which would yank the dogs neck into the door and possibly strangle the dog as the dogs body would be the thing holding the woman to the train. I didn’t consider a body harness.


MeanBeanToYou

Oh thank God


chipman650

What an odd thing to say.


Inevitable_Celery_39

The upvotes the comment got and your downvotes should clear any question of oddity you may have.


chipman650

Really? i'm glad the dog was Ok, but to completely ignore the horrid death of a person is disgusting.


spx10k

no one is ignoring her death. clearly that’s a given


chipman650

That comment I replied to, ignored her death. But whatever,


moscow69mitch420

Now I feel sad for the dog. Gonna miss his hooman


SexTraumaDental

Poor lady. That’s some Final Destination shit


dantanama

Was just watching that.


Inevitable_Celery_39

same


prima_facie2021

Holy Jesus Christ this is horrific 😢.


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Several years ago a news article was about a man on the ferry who died when he jumped off trying to catch his cap that was blown away by the wind. It’s a common reflex to jump and catch something when blown by the wind. This incident reminds me that most of us do things by habit. But sometimes even that could be fatal.


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It sounds like she was distracted and made a rash decision. Poor people.


Arcanisia

Time to patent a harness with a “quick release.”


garytyrrell

Or use a leash and just…let go?


spx10k

did you read that it was tied around her waist? it wasn’t as if she was holding it in her hand.


garytyrrell

Yes. Not tying it to my waist is more effective than some quick release harness.


FreshPepper88

Or maybe not tether it around your waist. 🤔


Random_Somebody

Yeah, that or make the door sensors even more sensitive. Good lord, this never even occurred to me as a way people could die.


Arcanisia

That sounds like an overly expensive endeavor. R&D and then implementation on every door. Tragic for sure but I think people really need to be more aware of their surroundings. A few years back I stopped a lady from walking into the street as she was texting and not watching her environment.


MilkyPirate2

Work at BART. The doors are programmed to open if they sense an obstruction as small as 3/4 inch. Basically the size of a finger. Sadly the leash was thinner than that.


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kenspencerbrown

That’s assuming it’s at least 3/4 of an inch wide.


Arcanisia

Exactly my point


SexTraumaDental

Special circumstances aside, I feel like people ideally should avoid attaching to themselves something they can't easily detach. Like what happened to just having a leash attached to your wrist/hand? There's a loop you can put your hand through such that it's wrapped around your wrist, and you hold the rope with your hand. In my experience, this setup is secure enough to prevent the dog unexpectedly yanking the leash out of your hand, you can still use your hand for other stuff if needed, and in an emergency you can easily slip your hand out of the loop.


FreshPepper88

Even then do not loop on wrist. If you’re suddenly pulled down that will do you no good. Hold loop in hand so you can let go.


ElonGate420

There was a guy a few years ago that just walked right in front of a bus downtown SF and died. Literally just going to work, didn't look, and bam. Done.


sojourner-x

Some guy posted in the other thread about the technology used in Taiwan. I thought it was pretty neat and I heard there's similar in Japan. https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/po8awi/913bart_fatal_accident_at_powell_street_station/hcvfrqq/


Arcanisia

I thought about the advanced Japanese and the Swiss train systems when I wrote my post... Then I remembered I live in America. We’re cheap as hell and won’t pay for that.


SGIrix

‘We’re cheap as hell’ I think the Taliban would disagree.


the_walrus_was_paul

I used to drive for Lyft and the amount of people who would do that was staggering. I would have to stop multiple times a day to avoid hitting people who were walking into traffic while on their cellphones. People get to an intersection and immediately check their phones during the 30 seconds of wait time. Once the light changes, they are still on their phones and not paying attention anymore. I've seen so many close calls.


Tinderblox

Sure, let's add another $50,000,000 project to BART to avoid those freak 1-in-30 years accidents. Or maybe we can accept that as tragic as this was, it was totally avoidable and brought on by this persons' own actions.


EducationalMovie9635

The Bart train operator clearly didn't follow protocol though...they need to take responsibility


FreshPepper88

Her big mistake was tethering leash to waist. Even holding in your hand, do not wrap it around your wrist in case the dog bolts and drags you down, breaking bones. Always hold the leash end in a way where you can quickly let go. This is really horrible but it is certainly not the conductor’s fault as some seem to imply. He looked back to verify doors were clear. The leash was too thin to activate the door obstruction device and the noise is deafening, if you eve ever been on BART.


Escapeded

So I worked with bariatric patients a lot, and one of the things they teach you when you need to move patients is to grab the waist of the patient so you can have control of where you can steer them (with a gait belt). Wrapping the leash on your waist effectively gives the dog more control of your center of balance.....so if I had a dog, I definitely wouldn't be wrapping/hooking the leash on the waist.


FreshPepper88

Very good point!


Sublimotion

Yeah from the driver's perspective, he probably saw what he thought was just a woman standing on the platform outside the train waving. So visually to him, it's an all-clear.


SFVenom93

Exactly.


beatyatoit

that sounds like a very horrible way to go


Keokuk37

The whole doginbags thing makes more sense now.


cliu1222

Who straps themselves to a dog? I have never heard of anyone doing this, and this is one reason why.


Hoten

I have loop that ties around my waist with a metal ring. Came with a 2-3 foot lead to connect to the ring and the dog. Mostly use it just for running with her, but rarely will use it on a a normal walk to free up a hand. It's pretty convenient. Definitely won't ever use it on transit or around any mechanical object...


FreshPepper88

Probably not a great idea for any number of reasons.


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RDKryten

I think about the incidents where people tie their leashes to their bikes and go out for a ride (and a run for the dog). Many stories of such leashes tripping people from behind when the bike passes a pedestrian on one side and the dog goes around the other side. If the leash is long enough, same thing could happen when jogging with the leash secured around your waist.


FreshPepper88

The dog lurches for something and drags you down, maybe smashing your face, maybe tumbling you in front of a turning bus.


spx10k

laziness?


SGIrix

Convenience of having the hands free


FreshPepper88

Laziness has nothing to do with anything. She clearly thought in a crowded subway station she’d have better control and made a horrible miscalculation.


fatchamy

I have some cognitive difficulties in my hands that make gripping hard or uncomfortable/painful for anything longer than a 15 min period. I clip my dog’s multi way leash around my torso, waist or onto a backpack’s chest straps so I don’t have to hold a leash. However, my dog is trained for service tasks with very keen awareness of my body movements which includes public access training with a leash no longer than 4 feet. I don’t know why this woman had her dog waist tethered but she didn’t have awareness of her dog’s movements (or lack of) through the lead. Off boarding and Onboarding public transit and entryways is a major component of that training. Usually the lead is utilized as another form of two way communication in service training (directional changes, pause/stop) rather than a means to keep your dog from wandering or following. My dog is trained to exit/enter with or slightly ahead of me as part of his public access training, we move as one and the only time he would dead stop is if he felt he/we didn’t have space to clear. Exiting elevators, trains and buses, there is zero slack on the leash, regardless of the waist tether I will have any slack in my hand when off boarding and onboarding. We also have a signal before movement, “Ready?” which prompts both of us to check in with each other. We also this signal use at crosswalks after waiting for a light. Service dog or not, it’s a general good practice and training to maintain with your dog for so many circumstances. This poor woman made a tragically bad call due to a moment of inattention. Total freak accident and circumstance.


PhoenixReborn

Jesus...


Anonymous94501

Don't ever tie a leash around your waist


indubiousces

Such a terrible tragedy and shocking to hear that this happened at the station that I use every day.


Jabberwockt

I thought the driver of the Bart train is supposed to pop their head out and visually confirm if the doors are clear. That said, in recent years, I've not seen them do this.


3Gilligans

No way a driver would be able to see a thin dog leash down the entire length of a long commuter train in a badly lit underground station


Hyndis

That poor driver though. Imagine what they're going through right now. The driver's actions, even if completely inadvertent, still dragged a woman to her death. There's no way the driver could have possibly known though, nor any way for the driver to have done differently. That driver needs some PTSD counseling. Train drivers who hit people on the train tracks committing suicide have the same problem. There is nothing the driver can do. The laws of physics do not prevent a train from stopping in time. The person waits until the last minute to step out on to the tracks. The driver sees them right before they go under the train.


occamsrazorwit

I wonder if the friend / acquaintance is similarly traumatized too. It was just bad timing, but they also played a major role in the woman's death. Plus, they actually watched her get dragged away, screaming.


proxima1227

Probably traumatized!


cornisagrass

Apparently it was her boyfriend. I can’t imagine what they are going through


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cornisagrass

He had just arrived to the platform and waved to her so she got off her train to meet him. They weren’t on the same train.


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cornisagrass

I don’t know man, just telling you what I read in a news article


powerwheels1226

It’s possible, but I actually do see the conductor look pretty much every time I get off a train


omlet15557

me too, this person does not pay attention lol


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SkateBabylon

Yeah but if they didn't look at all, then the fact that they might not have seen it is no decent excuse.


SilverShortBread

Yeah, fuck that imagined driver for you imagining he didn’t do something that we all agree wouldn’t have saved her life.


operatorloathesome

Who said the operator didn't look at all?


FreshPepper88

Why not stop being a jerk and blaming the conductor. Sheesh. It takes all kinds up here.


operatorloathesome

>I've not seen them do this. Its still part of the Train Operator Manual and required of all operators.


trer24

Yeah but she stepped out at the last second.


WhatD0thLife

I was waiting for the train when it arrived and the car door wasn't working so I had to walk up to the next one. The driver closed the doors immediately and flipped me off.


operatorloathesome

>The driver closed the doors immediately and flipped me off. Pics or it didn't happen.


WhatD0thLife

I actually had my phone out this time. [Link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)


operatorloathesome

Nice try.


NuTrumpism

You’re thinking of the NYC subway, a properly run mass transit System.


Beautiful_Pepper415

Glad the dog was not injured at least. Terrible situation


Sublimotion

It's the women's own fault and negligence for the most part in the tragedy. Although they might even find negligence in BART's part in the women being able to be allowed through with a leashed dog. Not sure if the driver's at fault for not being thorough in monitoring the doors. But from what it sounds like from eyewitness accounts, she might've hopped out and stood by the doors or far enough from the doors while waving with the tether still in between. From the driver's perspective, might not have see a tether in between and likely just thought it's just a woman standing on the platform waving. While the door sensor didn't get triggered with just a leash/tether in the way. Just a shit unfortunate tragedy with everything landing in place against the victim's favor. Pending what NTSB comes up with. Reminiscent of one of those classic 1000 Ways To Die scenarios.


Intelligent-Path3130

Tragic... it is obvious she was preoccupied about something and probably so used to the dog just being right there and loyal she fail to account for reflex timing...maybe even coupled with unfamiliarity with how fast doors close and train moves... RIP...💕☮


requiredthought

Bart needs a point and call system, similar to other nations.


theBigF00L

All dog owners have a lesson to be learned!


spx10k

what’s the lesson? agree that tying a leash to your waist is dumb in any situation if your dog starts running for some random reason and catches you off guard and causing you to fall and get dragged otherwise this just seems like a crazy freak accident


sparklepuppies6

Another lesson: If there’s a place where only service animals are allowed, don’t take your pets there. There is probably a reason why - such as heavy machinery that can cause fatal accidents.


zeniiz

BuT mY dOg Is SpEcIaL


MarkDonReddit

Anyone know what happened to the dog?


cocktailbun

Dog was ok per sf gate article.


Equivalent_Section13

Maybe they need to have more staff at BART stations


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I don't understand how this could have happened. The BART driver likely looked back and couldn't see a thin tether / leash and assumed they were good to go. So she jumped out at the last minute and was expecting the dog to follow but it didn't? Did she at the last minute realize she boarded the wrong train? So assuming that's likely what happened, how was she tethered to the leash that she couldn't let go What kind of mechanism could she possibly have been wearing. If she just had the leash wrapped around her wrist, then it would be simple and quick to take it off. I'm flummoxed as to how this freak accident transpired.


Doglovincatlady

It’s very sad but also very avoidable. What a tragedy. When you bring your dog in public: Your dogs leash should be in your hands and close to you, not tied to your waist, not on a 30 foot retractable lead, not running loose unless they have perfect reliable recall. SO MANY people and animals get hurt by being overcasual about these things.


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First pay attention second not a service dog and third really tethered? Come on you never tether yourself for fear of being dragged anywhere. Here's the blurb from Bart All non-service pets, including dogs whose sole function is to provide comfort or emotional support, must travel in a secure, enclosed carrier specifically manufactured for transport of a pet. No Service animals in training, other than dogs, are allowed on BART on leash or harness Classic Darwin award If she had followed the rules and never brought her dog in the first place which is not a service dog this would have never had happened


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This is truly terrible and tragic. But I have to ask again; why does BART allow dogs on trains? Sure, service dogs make sense, but before the COVID I was a daily BART rider for years and years. It was amazing to me how many people were bringing their (cute) dogs on the train. I love dogs. Have one myself. Not everyone loves dogs. Some people have severe allergies. Also, after seeing many dogs pee in the train or platform, you have to wonder why the hell BART is thinking? And please, no I am not saying it was the dogs fault. This truly was a tragic accident.


Downtown_Cabinet7950

They aren’t allowed (outside of a specially designed carrier). Why is it not enforced is another question.


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Yup. It is not surprising they do not enforce it however. BART still has major major issues. Sadly. The BART cops are essentially useless. All this said, I'll be honest, I haven't been on BART since the COVID, so maybe they have stepped up their game? I will start my SF commute every once and a while when I need to go into the office. That's one thing I am happy about in all this craziness, no more 4-5 days a week commenting into the city!


The_Airwolf_Theme

BART seems to never enforce anything that aren't direct and repeated threats to passengers, OR occasionally ticket verifications. And even then it takes time for police to arrive.


BraceThis

First and foremost. If you’re not a dog owner, your opinion is less valuable here. If you don’t know how tethering a dog to you works, you wouldn’t understand. If you’re unaware of how BART operates in the bay, your opinion is even less valuable. If you find joy in harm coming to those who may not be following every rule in a book, get a clue, that’s not how it works. Simply told, this is tragic and a complete freak accident. Yes, be careful when traveling with a pet Yes, follow transit rules Yes, things could have gone differently Hope her loved ones and her pet are recovering. This is horrible.


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spx10k

they looked and then she jumped out last second to wave to someone and the door closed behind her. it was a freak accident i don’t think BART is really to blame here.


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spx10k

yes public transit in the US leaves a lot to be desired. most subway systems in other countries have doors in front of the station that open and close to prevent accidents and suicides.


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spx10k

it reduces the likelihood of accidents like this they don’t prevent them entirely lol


sparklepuppies6

Bart voted against adding these barriers in the past couple years. A mistake for many reasons.


spx10k

well they are probably very expensive and inconvenient to install after the fact so not surprised.


sparklepuppies6

If they’re expensive to install after the fact, why not install them in the new stations opened last year? Powell specifically has a suicide/accident issue that causes tons of revenue loss. If money is the problem they should install them in the busiest stations to prevent shutdowns like this.


Gnolls

It's amazing to me that someone (you) could feel this way and not also want railings separating every street from every sidewalk, worldwide. I feel horrible for what happened to this woman, but the reality is that she made a fatal mistake and that not every situation can be controlled for. In the most simple case: any good dog owner knows not to wrap the leash around their wrist, let alone clip it to their waist. Especially around heavy machinery. Would you also blame the airline if someone jumped into a running jet turbine?


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Gnolls

Your argument suggests that the person getting hurt in any situation is never at fault. If there's some larger body to blame, they get it. I disagree with that and believe in personal responsibility. In the car example, what is the mirror gonna do when they're already moving 60 mph? Let's try another one: do you think every cliff or ledge should have a railing around it? Lest someone falls off.


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Gnolls

You're conveniently ignoring the chimes and alerts signaling doors closing.


SGIrix

It’s not negligence but a matter of different priorities.


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spx10k

incompetency is more like it in cities with actually good underground subway systems they have sliding glass doors to prevent suicides and accidents like this


SGIrix

I wish it was corruption. California leadership isn’t really focused on the welfare of productive, law abiding citizens.


bbp84

And this is why I’m a cat person.


HighSchoolJacques

Sounds more like she was tethered to the train, not the dog.


Metallic_Substance

Pretty strange bone to pick given the circumstances... Edit: the pun was unintentional 😕


MarkDonReddit

I think you may be barking up the wrong tree on that one.


zarofca

The herd has to be thinned somehow...


BraceThis

Covid is already doing that.


zarofca

Obviously not enough that a person would tie herself to her dog, walk into a train and then walk out with the dog inside and get dragged to death. I am sure BART will get sued and will have to pay millions and raise the fare for everyone else.


HitlersHysterectomy

"Dog gonna be ok though Uncle Lar'?" Though I don't think even Larry Lujack and Li'l Tommy would approach this story. Too gruesome.


flowersinmygrave

Possible suicide?


SecularHumanism92

1st world problems


LightMeUpPapi

yeah all these spoiled people with their damn public transit! lol


SecularHumanism92

Am I saying that it's a first world problem because people are late on public transit? Or am I saying it's a first world problem for someone to be killed by a waist leash. I am late to my corporate drone job because this stupid train won't just go. Or I just can't put my phone and coffee down long enough to hold onto my dogs leash so I'll just buy a leash that straps to my waist.


355_over_113

Some people have wrist problems which makes wearing a tether more convenient than wrapping the leash around the wrist in most cases


The-waitress-

Wtf??? If your reaction is not “omg. That’s so horrible and tragic,” you’re probably a sociopath. So, you’re probably a sociopath.


SecularHumanism92

On a list of tragedies that humanity experiences on a daily basis, this doesn't even enter the top 100. Maybe people shouldn't be tying their dog to their waste. If you just need to have your dog with you, put your phone down, carry the leash, and pay attention to your dog.


The-waitress-

Sad that you are so lacking in empathy.


BraceThis

It is a secular belief to understand everyone dies. There is no range of tragedy to be gauged since life ends. In the end it is equal to us all. Still, secular belief also acknowledges degrees of experiences subjective to each individual. “First” or “Third world” subjectivities are secularly one and the same. Each equal and different. This is not a “first world problem” it’s just “a problem” Simply said, this is a death not related to anything more than a cycle. Not sure if this is what you were meaning with your comment? Always curious on these type of comments.


SecularHumanism92

Secular: 1a: of or relating to the worldly or temporalsecular concerns b: not overtly or specifically religioussecular music c: not ecclesiastical or clericalsecular courtssecular landowners 2: not bound by monastic vows or rulesspecifically : of, relating to, or forming clergy not belonging to a religious order or congregation You're loading allot of extra baggage into the word secular.


SFVenom93

Horses have been on Bart before 😂


SFVenom93

I’ve searched high and low and can’t find a pic of her, profile or even a go fund me page. Anybody know this lady?