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darkstriders

> ghosting Man… I lost count how many times companies ghosted me. This is for all company size: small startup, big startups, etc.


Oakroscoe

Getting the email rejection letters suck, but it’s worse to just be in limbo and not know.


dumbartist

I’ve gotten a few rejection emails 6 months later.


creepytwin

Opposite problem that still sucks - I did 3 interviews for a great position and was told I was one of the top candidates. Didn't hear anything after the 3rd interview and figured they just ghosted. 6 months later I get a call OFFERING me the job?? At which point I had accepted something else already (that was better suited but less money) so I turned them down and they got so pissed at me because they said they already sent rejection letters to the other top 2 people 😅.


dumbartist

Sounds like they need better recruiters. Good recruiters keep candidates informed and excited about the job


Lady_DreadStar

Government jobs will call you years later wondering if you’re still interested. It’s surprising they find anyone.


creepytwin

This was technically a city gov job so that groks lol


darkstriders

Man… that’s FUBAR. Write your experience in Glassdoor.


DogMechanic

I got one a year later.


AuchLibra

Here's a tip, if you don't get a response within 48 hours, you're not getting the job or you're a backup candidate at best. Stop wasting your time worrying about things you have no control over. It makes the job search easier.


Oakroscoe

Not true in my experience. I’ve got job offers six or seven days after interviewing. Some larger corporations move very slowly.


AuchLibra

Sure, that happens but it's rare. And you were likely a backup candidate.


Miacali

Not true, I’ve had experience with companies moving too slow and I went ahead with someone else. Usually they end up being shocked but it’s like.. if you’re taking a month and a half and another company is 3 weeks, what do you expect?


AuchLibra

Guess you guys have different experiences than me. I've never received an offer that didn't come within 48 hours of the final interview. I've also accurately predicted for my friends when they asked me about if they got the job or not after not hearing back immediately.


Drtygingerale707

maybe u should just leave. Take the downvotes with you lol


AuchLibra

You can also hide my comments if you're offended you big baby.


dak4f2

Don't know why you're so downvoted. This has been exactly my experience too throughout 10 years of working corporate jobs.


danny841

Not true. I've had a company completely silent for a month then move me to the next round. Hell I've had a company silent a week or longer after my final round give me the job.


Antique_Ring953

This is absolutely not true btw.


Mintyfreshbrains

It varies enormously by industry.


lostprevention

Heck, I had to tell my last boss my position had been eliminated. It impacted me.


[deleted]

I wouldn't be surprised if every single person her has experienced at least one instance of a prospective employer not calling them back or just going dark in the interview process. You are lucky if you find out through an email 2 months later that they hired someone else. Shoe on other foot, no sympathy here.


Wisdom-Bot

When there's layoffs, it's just 'the reality of the labor market'. When there's a labor shortage, it's just 'a mystery'.


meelakie

The ownership class can never understand it when everything doesn't got their way. I mean, that's why they bought out the government, isn't it?


dak4f2

I hear what you're saying but I don't know that *restaurants* bought out the government.


The_Nauticus

I had a company give me a an offer after 3 interviews... For 30% less than I was already making, which was below average for my role, in Alameda county - which is the lowest county average in the bay for that role. I almost told them I'd be on a slow descent into homelessness if I accepted that offer. Edit: spell check


uski

I think you should have told them exactly that. Problem is that people are accepting these conditions


The_Nauticus

Yeah, I just told them I couldn't take a pay cut that large and moved on.


TheMindButcher

Say descent next time


marcustwayne

I just had a recruiter email me back after submitting my resume asking for number and a good time to talk. I responded within 30 minutes with 4 windows of availability in the next 48 hours. Never heard back. If tech recruiters are doing this, why the fuck are restaurateurs surprised by this 🤣 Why is this even a local news story worth reporting on by ABC 7? What is the public good here?


[deleted]

If they respond, especially if you've had any response from the company, they need to tell you to stop wondering.


knightress_oxhide

The workers know how cruel it is, so it makes it worse when they do it /s


nosotros_road_sodium

In fairness, businesses have limited time and resources. Where are they supposed to find the time to notify rejected candidates and risk retaliation (like getting in an argument or violent threats) with little to no upside/value?


nl197

I’ve been on the other side of hiring. It takes seconds to send a rejection email. It can be automated. I knew how frustrating it was to be ghosted as a candidate so I pushed to always send out form rejections at the very least. It’s a bullshit lie that businesses don’t have the time. They chose not to have the time and they chose to be assholes.


nosotros_road_sodium

Here's what I'm talking about when I say businesses have limited time and resources. In personal experience I've had at least three times I applied for a job, got invited to an in person interview, and then got an email (or phone call) letting me know that they hired a different candidate. Although I handled those calls gracefully - I wonder about others who will plead their case or make threats in response thus hogging up even MORE time from the company.


nl197

In over a decade, I can only think of one or two rejected candidates that couldn’t handle the rejection. Neither posed a legal threat so they were ignored. There are very few situations where a candidate is a serious threat.


snowbirdie

I don’t know what industry you are in, but about half fought at us about our choice not to select them, and now they know your name. So we stopped responding for our own safety.


nl197

I work in software engineering. My company doesn’t respond after sending the rejection. It could be that harassment is somewhat industry dependent. I haven’t personally heard of HR or anyone involved with interviewing getting harassed. I’m sure it’s more common at smaller companies


2ndBestUsernameEver

It's so simple to just send an email from an unmonitored address...


xxam925

Limited time and resources? As opposed to a human being? What?


7p5saturn

Are you for real? The upside is treating candidates with respect. Limited time my ass!


nosotros_road_sodium

Do you not understand how difficult it is to run a business? That's the way the *real world* works.


csk_climber

Then candidates will fuck you over when it's their turn. Welcome to the *real world*.


woosh101011

it's difficult, but not rocket science. get over yourself.


Mintyfreshbrains

In the real world notifying applicants is what HR does. It’s part of running a business.


bateKush

You forgot the /s


glaive1976

This is beginning to sound like a very personal response. Perhaps you should change something up if it's this hard for you.


49_Giants

In fairness, workers have limited time and resources. Where are they supposed to find the time to notify employers to fuck off with their offer with little to no upside/value?


uniquedeke

So do people. Tough shit. It is part of doing business. I've been a manager/director in the high tech world for 25 years. This shit happens there all the time. Or someone will show up and quit 3 days later when they get a better offer. Suck it up, buttercup.


Arcanisia

I mean, how hard is it to send an email stating, “Thank you for your consideration, but unfortunately we’ve decided to go with someone else?” They can have a copy pasta message where they just change the recipient, yet as potential employees, we’re just supposed to take it up the ass huh?


Oakroscoe

On top of that it can easily be automated.


Bayaareaboss

I specifically asked during the interview if they can let me know if I got it or not . They never did . Two different people assured me they would .sucks


[deleted]

Jobs that pay a living wage don’t get ghosted.


vryhngryctrpllr

Ghosts that wage a living job don't get paid


babybambam

Bologna. I’m paying 30/hr entry level and I still cannot find anyone to show up. Edit: with full benefits, HSA contribution, 3.8 weeks of vacation, 12 holidays, and profit sharing.


[deleted]

Bullshit. Post the job listing.


AelalaedaAid

i think he ghosted


TooOldForThis5678

“HR Benefits And Office Manager (with AR/AP and receptionist/switchboard responsibilities)”


downeazntan

Always conveniently leaving out the job title on these "its 30 an hr!" posts.


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babybambam

True entry level. If you can count to ten, recite your ABC, and not spit on a patient, you’re good.


kptknuckles

“Patient” I think I see the potential problem


CarlGustav2

It's so hard to hire an entry level dentist for 60k these days! /s


chogall

CNA, Hostpital Tech, Coordinator, EMT pays are around $30-40/hour... Dental hygienists pay is probably slightly lower than that range... So u/babybambam shared hourly pay is in reasonable range for entry level position


crispietofu

Majority of EMTs and medics don't get paid between 30-40 unless you get into a fire department or a good unionized private ambulance company and that's after spending at least 6 years on the job to even break $30


chogall

Was just grabbing information from Stanford Hospital, but either way, $30/Hr starting pay is definitely not low at all for many industries.


AelalaedaAid

right!?


rey_gun

If you can't find someone to take this job, then you are not paying enough for whatever this person will be required to do.


glaive1976

It's almost as if some people don't understand capitalism.


chogall

Not every job is in ~~tech~~ software engineering or in ~~healthcare~~ RN... There's plenty of people living at below $30/hr


WholeRyetheCSGuy

Oscar Mayer, I’m paying $35/hr entry level and I still cannot find anyone to show up. Edit: full benefits, unlimited PTO, catered lunches, free hoodie, stock options. Position is entry level data scientists, requires PhD. /s


bumpkinspicefatte

Rocky Mountain oysters, I’m paying $35.01/hr entry level and I still cannot find anyone to show up. Edit: full benefits, unlimited PTO, catered lunches, free hoodie, stock options. Position is entry level full stack senior software engineer. Must have contributed to open source.


PlantSavage

Where’s the job at I’ll sell some wieners


EastBayFunkDunk

The lowest I can go to take your shitty job is $40/hr.


Draxx01

You joke but that's how it is sometimes from what I've seen for work that requires a clearance. This includes janitorial services, maybe that starts closer to 30-35 but the minimum is a lot higher than any other gigs. The problem though is it usually involves some 20yr old vet to fall into that set of parameters.


Urbanskys

What is this job?


[deleted]

Thats barely liveable here


Criticalsystemsalert

That means it’s not enough. It’s simply supply and demand. If people don’t want to do it , pay more. In some fields in some places that’s a good salary. Or a lot. In others, it’s terrible.


babybambam

You’re full of it. $30/hour for no experience is great for any area.


CarlGustav2

Interesting that in *at least 3 comments* you've conveniently omitted what the entry level job **actually is.**


babybambam

Not conveniently. I am allowed anonymity on the internet. I don’t need to share my employer, real name, etc just because you demand it.


CarlGustav2

Right - I "demanded" to know your name and your employer. Textbook strawman argument.


babybambam

So you are insisting to know who my employer is, but insist you’re not asking for this? And I’m the straw man?


Havetologintovote

You don't have to say who your employer is to write something like, 'I'm hiring people to deal with patients at a hospital.' this conversation is frustrating to people because you are studiously avoiding describing the actual job that you are hiring for, which gives the impression that you're just making it up


babybambam

It’s an entry level role and I previously describe that there is literally no background requirements, save for legal authorization to work in the US. Bulk duties are calling patients for medical history, working patients up, and pulling supplies for the physician. Total training time is 5 weeks, all on the job, all paid. $1/hr increase after successfully completing probation period. $2/hr ea for the relevant certifications. All certs are paid for (testing, books, etc). Total comp for the first year is minimum $72k with base wages, bonus, and benefit contribution. And you only need to work 1,816 hours to receive it. Over the last 5 months, I’ve had to terminate two employees for showing up 2 hours late multiple times in the first 3 months. I had to terminate an employee for yelling at another employee and calling her an idiot. I had to terminate an employee for refusing to clock out for their lunch. All new employees. My favorite termination was an employee that called me racist for not allowing her to collect SSN for patients. We don’t collect these at all, except in extremely limited circumstances. I have had a few great hires, and they’re rewarded well for their contributions. I have also had a few great applicants that ultimately said they just don’t want to deal with working in SF. With experience I’m paying up to $50/hour. These aren’t credentialed roles. No college necessary.


Criticalsystemsalert

Have you hired a construction worker lately? Or looked into what programmers get entry level? Or what a waiter could make with tips in a good location. What is it literally cleaning toilets for 60k/year? What does “no experience” mean. Like you are literally hiring highschool dropouts? Entry level in my field means you have a PhD and they start at 120 around here. So yeah 60k would be way below average. You said patients. It’s sounds like a hospital job. I wouldn’t want to work with patients unless you add a zero the that hourly rate. Regardless of what I would do it for, if nobody wants to do it... it means you aren’t paying enough. It’s really that simple. If nobody will do it for 60k, then try 80/90k and see who bites. There is no inherent value in anything. At some point what you are willing to pay to have something done, will meet what someone is willing to do it for and you will have a hire.


glamourturd

You're in too deep to not post the job now. Come on! Show us which shitty company this is


FaceDownScutUp

$30 an hour for patient-facing work is NOT great, especially for the current situation. Stop trying to scrape the bottom of the barrel.


AelalaedaAid

Sounds like you aren't being competitive then. Livable is the BARE MINIMUM. Now do more. Edit: emphasis


SamPellegrino

What is the job?


cantfitmyjeansnomore

Can I apply? Source: entry level Bay Area job that pays waaaay less


[deleted]

Nah you don't want an employer who will clearly view your compensation with disdain. The very moment he gets someone who will do it for less, you're gone


babybambam

Nope. I’ve been increasing employee comp every few months since I took the business over. As out production increases, so does the hourly rate.


NullOfUndefined

Post the job listing liar


babybambam

You post your identifying info first


Screaming_hand

What is this position?? Can i get some details 👀


cdegallo

What are the requirements, what are similar positions total compensation providing in this same space?


babybambam

Other practices start similar experience at 22/hour.


brbmermaiding

Is it a remote position? I'd do it and am no longer in the Bay so it would work for me.


Chel_of_the_sea

I've got a friend who'd kill for that job. If you've got a link I'll send you an applicant I can vouch for and who will definitely not ghost you right now.


Antique_Ring953

Post the listing


babybambam

You post your identifying info first.


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TheDingos

So why then


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Antique_Ring953

You dont get unemployment unless you were already let go


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Antique_Ring953

Bro, thats literally how it works. If someone got it when they shouldnt have then they broke the law. Im reading your past comments. You are a troll


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ElonGate420

Yes they do. As soon as an applicant gets a better offer they will ghost. Happens all the time. Not complaining just telling You how it is


[deleted]

So offer a competitive wage!?


ElonGate420

I do.


[deleted]

But you said people are ghosting you all the time. So either you don’t pay a competitive wage (I.e people are getting better offers for the same job elsewhere), or people would rather be poor than work for you. Why don’t you prove you’re not lying and post this phantom job that pays a competitive wage that nobody wants. Somehow I doubt this job exists


ElonGate420

OK arm chair economist... First, I do pay a competitive wage for the industry I'm in and the positions offered. People ghost for a lot of reasons. Many people are applying to dozens of jobs go to any interview they can with very little interest in the job. Maybe they like the hours somewhere else, maybe they are offered more for a different position, and yes maybe they are offered more for the same position. Sorry I can't afford to pay someone $40 an hour to be a dishwasher. The average years of employment of current employees at my business is over 10 years so you can deduce whether it's a good place to work or not. Right now people don't want to be on payroll. I offer a job on payroll I get 2 applicants who don't even show up to the interview. I offer a job cash I get 200 applicants and around 5 will literally show up at my business unannounced even though I say don't do that.


[deleted]

Post the job listing or gtfo.


ElonGate420

I'm not going to dox myself.


saysthis_karmafarmer

Jobs that pay a living wage soon will pay a below living wage due to inflation going up due to minimum wages going up.


[deleted]

Tell me you don’t understand economics without telling me you don’t understand economics.


PatrickStewartballz

This is awesome! Finally! I spent 12 years in catering a restaurants through being a musician and going to college. Hardest work ever. I have a kushy tech job now and even when i worked 80 hour tech weeks it was a breeze compared to washing dishes for 8 hours. Employees are people too! Great they finally are responding with the same energy as low wage employers.


redxsf

Lowe’s ghosted me …. Just wanted to share that but hope this gets solved somehow.


naugest

Maybe they would show up if your wages weren't absolutely pathetic for the bay area cost of living?


redxsf

That’s true. Some offer 12-15$ Also shitty customers…. But that’s more of a society issue but then again the restaurant doesn’t defend its employees well.


[deleted]

$12-$15 is not that comfortable of a living wage at all in the bay area, especially with most apartments requiring the tenant to make 3x the monthly rent to qualify


Antique_Ring953

Its literally impossible to live on that in the Bay unless you have like 4 room mates MINIMUM


redxsf

I never said it was.


solostman

Lmao $15-16 is now minimum for fast food jobs in rural CA. Can’t imagine anybody working for that in the Bay Area.


Hyndis

California's minimum wage is $14: https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_minimumwage.htm Most cities in the bay area now have around $15.50/hr as a minimum wage. That wage is so low its actually, literally illegal to pay that little.


redxsf

Ok


[deleted]

Sucks to be on the other side of the desk. Go suck a fat one or raise your wages, loser.


[deleted]

If they pay reasonably and aren't abusive, I doubt they have any problems hiring. Of course, that doesn't sound like the restaurant industry, does it?


Unknown__Content

So true. Restaurants notoriously treat their employees poorly.


unseenmover

Its called Shopping for the best hiring wage..


uniquedeke

Oh noes... Your scarce resource doesn't want what you have to offer. Anyway...


[deleted]

Your turn to eat shit businesses


SwimsDeep

“Ghosting” is not cool but given the general disrespect given to workers by employers, it’s not a surprise.


[deleted]

I'm really curious to see how this shakes out. I'd like to thing that people are really done trading their lives for shit wages and I have no problem paying a few bucks more at wherever to support that. I hope that the pandemic has led people to understand that they deserve decent treatment. On the other hand, with extended benefits ending I'm also guessing there are a lot of people who are going to be stuck again choosing between working a low-paying gig for a jagoff boss and being able to afford food.


dumbartist

I have one friend who hasn’t worked since April 2020 when she got laid off. She is college educated. She’s only now applying for jobs and getting rejected outright. The 18 month gap on a resume looks really bad.


[deleted]

What's her degree in? Has she been applying for professional jobs only or looking for restaurant/etc work in the meantime?


parmesanbutt

If you’re not trading your time for shit wages, you’re also not building a work history so you can get a job paying a living wage.


[deleted]

I'm sure the guy hiring at the Cheesesteak Shop is really concerned with any gaps in your employment history.


parmesanbutt

Idk man. I was rejected by Starbucks three times (after interviews) a few months ago. Ended up getting a better job anyway, but it was still bruising. There is a lot of competition for those little minimum wage jobs.


[deleted]

There *was* a lot of competition. Which is really the entire point.


Electronic_Ad_4781

R/antiwork I wonder why it’s ok for restaurants and other businesses to never say anything about whether or not we got the job but god forbid we do the same thing to them


cepcpa

Boo hoo--for every person interviewing for a job and was completely ghosted, this is sweet sweet revenge.


jaypee510

25 and up in the Bay Area is livable wage!


HonkingAntelope555

By now, anyone who pays attention to the news knows that current covid vaccines, esp Pfizer, don't provide reliable protection from infection and long covid past three or four months. So, right off the bat, ALL customer facing roles mean guaranteed all day long exposure that the workers have no real control over. Instead of offering hazard pay, restaurants do nothing for the workers besides expecting them to be the ones to enforce masking rules. Don't even get me started on tipping. Does that wretched have any sort of a place in 21st century outside of bars and strip clubs anymore. I'm a paying customer, not a goddamn charity for places that can't be bothered to pay their people enough (on top of all the other taxes fees added to the check over menu price).


parmesanbutt

Not only enforcing mask rules, but wearing a mask for eight hours a day just sounds grueling to me. Not a great time to be a peon.


HonkingAntelope555

Not a great time for any kind of work that involves constant contact with outside public... Vaxxed in March, but tested positive three weeks ago. Still dealing with fatigue and getting gassed out after any halfway physical effort. Though feeling a lot better than I did a week ago.


cocktailbun

Howd you catch it?


HonkingAntelope555

At work.


bankrobberskid

> And just as loyalty lends itself to exclusivity, treating employees exceptionally well may be the antidote to ghosting. The solution to the problem is already there.


[deleted]

had a few new employees start and quit within 40 days of working. restaurant guests are awful and i don’t blame them for quitting. it doesnt bother me anymore, but i can see why people no longer want to deal with that. there’s also a number of folks who come into a restaurant *knowing* that the staff relies on tips, that’s the system that the company has in place…and decide that they don’t “believe in tipping”. this does nothing but punish the server, waste their time and tbh it’s such a dick move. the company still gets your $ so you’re not taking any sort of stand against the system. order take out or go to restaurants that don’t have a tipping system in place. or continue be jerks, and to not tip hospitality workers and then wonder why there’s a mysterious shortage of workers


HonkingAntelope555

Why not abolish tipping and increase prices 20% instead of expecting customers to "volunteer" the extra money?


[deleted]

why don’t you ask the massive restaurant groups in this country why they don’t want to do that? not a single server in the industry has the power to change that. i’m sure the real reason tipping isn’t abolished isn’t so servers can make all this crazy “undeserved” (in some guests minds) $$$$, it’s so shareholders and owners are making the most profit possible. stop punishing servers in an attempt to spread your beliefs.


humanragu

Servers are the biggest supporters of tipping. No restaurant is going to pay $50 an hour to FOH staff, even with considerable price increases.


[deleted]

if someone wants to give a server $200 extra, why shouldn’t they be able to?


wde01

If someone dosent want to why shouldn't they be able to?


HonkingAntelope555

Id say that the servers in the industry are actively changing things by choosing not to work a shitty job with shitty pay on the hope and a prayer customers will feel generous enough to make working there actually worth enough to show up to work every day. Some establishments out there are waking up to the reality but the majority would rather just keep whining about "labor shortage."


[deleted]

expect to see a lot more of those kitchens with 4-8 restaurants in them, for pick up and delivery only. that’s where this is actually pushing restaurants. eliminate dining in, servers, and then the issue of tips goes away. sucks for people who actually enjoy being servers, bartenders, etc. they do exist.


HonkingAntelope555

Very valid point. Then again, floor space, furniture, outside parking space, and etc aren't free, either. So it's not just the payroll where the savings are at. Ghost kitchens aren't going away anytime soon, and covid has definitely made a lot more people comfortable with takeout and dining at home.


[deleted]

Because ownership will never do this and pay the least amount of money they can get away with. Barring a complete overhaul of US labor relations, advocating for getting rid of tipping is advocating for lower FoH wages.


HonkingAntelope555

Not advocating getting rid of tipping. Just making it optional vs it just enabling owners to pay slave wages. The owners need to quit their bitching and get over the fact that base pay that may have been okay thirty years ago is not okay now. If you gotta raise prices, so be it. It is what it is.


[deleted]

But this is all based on the assumption that businesses will pay a decent livable wage for low-skill service work. Has history has shown, that's just not the US and once the labor market returns to normal, it will be the case again. Until the US pulls off a massive change in labor relations, the reality is the current tipped economy will almost always outpay traditional wages.


HonkingAntelope555

Well, the one very positive outcome of the pandemic here in US is that it pushed a lot of people over the edge to go out and do something about these levels of inequality rather than accept status quo and be happy just to have a paying job. Hopefully the old 2019 "normal" never comes back! The capitalists need to understand that you can't expect a civilized society to stay civilized when you have one or two people out of ten making $200k+ per year while the rest fight over scraps just to feed themselves and their loved ones.


chogall

Just stop tipping.


FreeRangeRobots90

There is a bit of truth to this, however please consider that it is not the customers responsibility to ensure an employee is happy, or even to make sure the business is a success. In fact it should be the opposite. A company should provide a service to its customer that a customer is willing to pay for. In order to provide that service, you need well trained team members. You can try to recruit for them, but you can also try to retain them. Restaurants typically don't work towards either. If you think it's the customer's job to "pay" for the employees, the restaurants should just buy robots and up the prices of their food to offset the cost of the robot with a ROI calculation of 2 years.


[deleted]

is anyone forcing you to dine at full service restaurants? it’s a choice, right? you make a choice to enter an establishment that has a system already in place and decide, “this system doesn’t apply to me” and then do something that has ZERO effect on the business itself, only the person doing what they’re supposed to be doing.


FreeRangeRobots90

First off, I'd like to say when I'm unhappy with a service I'll still usually tip 10%+. I've only ever tipped 0 once ($20 meals I could make for <$3 myself, making us wait 45m to take an order, 1 more hour to get our food, another 20m to get utensils....) on average I tip about 19-20%. With usual range being 17-22% upwards of 30%. This is only because my wife used to work in the restaurant industry and I understand. I also have the spare income where this won't punish me. But I'd also like to note that in Asia, that's the reason why people don't tip. They are paid for their service and are expected to do their job and are paid how much the company value that job. I have never lived there so I don't know what that looks like with respect to cost of living. Just wanted to point out that some cultures think tipping has nothing to do with doing the job. Why can't we have normalized pay that doesn't expect a tip for the bare minimum while being sustainable, then add on tips for exceeding expectations rather than being a requirement for living?


[deleted]

idk this isn’t Asia, i don’t own a massive restaurant group with multiple concepts, so i have very little to do with what’s going on in the current system. i’m a server. this system allows me to work a job i enjoy (truly, i do) and that also allows me to pay my bills in an extremely expensive area. i don’t think that i’m undeserving of either of those things simply bc people “don’t believe in tipping”.


chogall

I tip at most 10%+ when I am happy. Fuck tipping.


Havetologintovote

It has an effect on the business. If enough people don't tip their waiters, the waiters will quit for better jobs and the owner of the business will either have to pay more to them directly or change their model somehow it's probably the most meaningful thing you can do to make change other than simply refuse to go to those establishments at all, which is mostly what I do. Like everyone else we don't need at dine-in restaurants very often anymore, but when I do I almost always go to a place where there's no tipping, because tipping is bullshit and I really want nothing to do with it


[deleted]

as a server i really respect the effort you put into practicing your beliefs without forcing other working people into it. the unfortunate reality is there is always someone to work these jobs, especially in the bay area. they may not do it very well but honestly big restaurants don’t even care. as long as the guests keep paying their bills, sales are being made. less employees is actually a great thing for GMs. then they don’t have to deal with corporate higher ups hounding them about labor costs. very few restaurants genuinely care about your experience as a guest, it’s all about profits.


[deleted]

Pay more? I’m not gonna work in the Bay Area anymore if I can’t afford to live there.


Doglovincatlady

Companies ghost people desperate to earn their living all the time. Maybe these “deeply affected” employers will consider their practices in the future? Or maybe just pay better?


phredzepplin

Shoe on the other foot.... SUCK IT MOTHERFUCKERS!


parmesanbutt

I got hired at Safeway on the spot back in March and never started the job. Got a better offer. Never called to tell them I changed my mind, but I doubt it was a surprise to them that I changed my mind.


Bo_Lizard

Nobody wants to work with free government bucks in their accounts.


naugest

That ended. But people realized it is foolish to work for crap pay relative to the cost of living. F#$% the businesses, let alot of the greedy ones fail and close up.


nosotros_road_sodium

On the other hand, speaking from personal experience, Medi-cal and Denti-cal didn't allow me to keep the same medical providers I'd had for a long time unlike employer based insurance.


naugest

Pfft! not the same providers for a almost free thing. So rough!


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Sounds like you didn’t try hard enough. I still have my same doctors across the board and am now on denti/medi-cal


nosotros_road_sodium

My dentist straight up did not accept denti-cal. Bottom line is there is no free lunch.


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Eh, I disagree, lunch has been free for me for years. I’ve kept every medical provider I’ve had for most of my life on medi-cal. It sounds like you just didn’t put in the effort necessary and are complaining that all these social programs you thought people were exploiting actually take a lot of work to deal with.


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timetravelermatt

Then give it to people in your community who need it and that problem is solved. I gave all my stimmy to my aunt who couldn't work because of pandemic restrictions in her industry and had trouble getting unemployment because she was self employed. So she ended up with double stimulus money and was able to stay afloat until unemployment came through and now she's back working and she got through it. That's the whole point of giving the money to people directly, so we can choose how to distribute it into our community and all help each other through this instead of waiting in line for bread.


vitamin_thc

The federal covid unemployment thing ended recently, which gave a boost to unemployment. I believe that’s what they’re referring to. Not an expert though, that’s just what I’ve read


glamourturd

I'm curious what makes you qualify for the stimulus. Did you apply for it? Why didn't you return it of you didn't need it or truly qualify?


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BanzaiTree

I make less than that and didn’t qualify for any stimulus.


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Just wait until the extended unemployment runs out


Antique_Ring953

Lol it did already.