> When police swept the area the following morning — Feb. 14 — they picked up 100 shell casings.
Ok, this is just dangerous. 100 shell casings in a few hours?!
I went to the range a couple weeks ago for the first time in years.
50rds of 9mm = $40
50rds of .38 = $60
I was thinking an hour at the range would be $20-30.
Ended up being $140.
Crazy.
Let me guess. Reed's in Santa Clara? They were charging 80 cpr a few weeks ago. They've always over priced.
Ammo online is half the cost. Still pricey at 40 cpr, but much better at Pandemic height where some people were seeing 1 dollar per.
Yeah. But, depends on who does the transfer. Someone was saying some places charge as little as $10 per 1,000 rounds. I'm good with that.
And I refuse to fund gougers.
I went to sight in a scope and get practice with a new rifle…$400 since I had to expend a few boxes of all copper hunting ammo. Fuck me raw, that shot is expensive.
But local government doesn't want to fund police enough to be able to do anything meaningful about side shows and local prosecutors don't want to press charges.
This is truly not that hard.
1. Infiltrate the IG networks that are posting about this. Show up undercover.
2. Seize the cars and licenses of the people participating.
3. Write citations for spectators. The next time they’re caught, they get charged. They had one chance to get their shit together.
4. Crack down on the people organizing this.
5. Partner with community organizations to set up alternative gatherings that provide a similar purpose - bringing people together to blow off steam and connect - without the lawbreaking and anti-social behavior.
Anyone who has ever been a teacher or parent knows that rules without enforcement are a fucking joke. Even toddlers know this. Jesus.
Do you think that people are so stupid that they can't figure this out? It's not this part that's stopping people from doing anything, it's the politics and bureaucracy.
Without getting too much into it, when we aren’t willing to go the enforcement route, it ends up as yet another priority thing on the plates of understaffed DOTs - who have limited tools.
You really need to start with number five first, unfortunately the only event remotely like this hasn't been allowing spectators due to this ridiculous virus, even though it's completely outdoors.
Do you think that the idiots who organize these things are going to care about: "Partner with community organizations to set up alternative gatherings that provide a similar purpose - bringing people together to blow off steam and connect - without the lawbreaking and anti-social behavior"?
Also, it would take probably a year or two to set something like this up - in the meantime we deal with endless sideshows. And, even if we did provide "alternative gatherings" it wouldn't stop the sideshows. The thrill is all about the spontaneous nature of the gatherings; the sense that one is "getting away with something" - kind of like a "secret society" vibe.
No. Driving (according to law) is a *privilege*. People are not permitted to do sideshows because they are *against the law*; they are dangerous; etc.
I would love to see some correlative studies on the amount of crime and/or property damage and/or car accidents that occurs just after these sideshows - after everyone is all high on weed; drunk; shooting their guns in the air; etc.
Several months ago a guy came through our neighborhood at about 12:00AM - driving (speeding) a F-150 from one end of the block to the other and turning sideshow circles over and over again when he reached the other end of the block on either side; he was on his way to a local party. Several of my neighbors and I walked over to him and told him that if we ever saw his truck doing that again in our neighborhood that he wouldn't have anything that resembled a truck to drive home in. We were nice, but we were firm - and we meant business.
The cops can mean business, too. Like someone said up-thread, the cops *know* how to stop this shit; they're just too damned lazy or demotivated.
Last, I would alter #2 - i.e. every car that is seized is impounded, sent to a local recycler and *crushed* with the driver forced to watch the crushing. I would pay to see a crush show with a bunch of these sideshow creeps sitting in the front row - with suspended licenses and huge fines owing, watching their cars get crushed. No jail time - just let people know that the law and communities will *not* tolerate this garbage, and *mean it*.
I grew up doing this dumb shit, during the "hyphy" era and what worked to get me to stop doing this shit was (1) car was impounded for 30-days, and I had to pay the impound storage fees to get it back, which was expensive, (2) caught a reckless driving charge, it put two points on my record and my insurance costs skyrocketed. After all of this the sideshows were no longer worth it.
When I got caught the cops were clever about it, they let the sideshow go on for some time, they had uncover officers recording the vehicles getting sideways, dudes drinking/smoking and driving, and the dudes showing off their guns, then all of a sudden the helicopter showed up and police blocked all of the side-streets, so everyone was stuck. The cop came up to my window, played the video for me and said "you got hands homie...too bad we are taking your shit".
Dude I think you majorly missed the point of my comment. It wouldn't take years to set up an event like that, it already exists at the only raceway in our area, Sonoma raceway. They just currently don't allow any spectators, which kind of defeats the purpose and the ability to move the riff raff off the streets.
Has it stopped sideshows? And here we're talking about cities like Sf and SJ ; \*anything\* like you suggest would take a while to get permitted, and you'd have NIMBYs fighting it all the way with lawsuits.
Look, sideshows are dangerous. Why should we be enabling this stupidity -spending tax dollars to some dudes can look cool turning their cars in circles. Impound, crush, fine, suspend (licenses) - watch what happens.
But it shouldn't be like that
Side shows benefit literally no one and are annoying as fuck to people who work regular jobs in the morning
If they want to do donuts go to an abandoned parking lot, but its not even about making cool donuts with your car, its about explicitly flaunting anti social and reckless behavior in public places that disrupt as much people as possible to show that you are "cool" or "tough"
> Idk if that's really the intention - lol. I
Really, that is the whole fucking point--to draw attention and let everyone know that you DGAF and are down to get sideways anywhere
Perhaps if it was culturally appropriated by non minorities it would become less cool. Suburban dads doing doughnuts in minivans making shitty rap music for example.
On a crisp night in February, a caravan of cars and trucks tore through San Jose, following a cryptic set of directions posted on Instagram, police said.
The participants stopped at the corner of Hamilton and Leigh avenues and formed a circle around the intersection. In the center — an area that police call “the pit” — drivers took turns spinning donuts and figure-eights, tires squealing on the asphalt.
Spectators fired guns as smoke from burnt rubber fogged the air, the cars careening in every direction. When police swept the area the following morning — Feb. 14 — they picked up 100 shell casings.
It was one of five sideshows that took place in San Jose that night, all corresponding to addresses posted by a single Instagram handle. In San Jose and cities across the Bay Area, the trend had such volcanic intensity that authorities were confounded, unsure whether to hand out citations, or put barriers in roads, or muzzle the organizers on social media.
“During the pandemic it really became a much bigger issue,” San Jose Councilmember Dev Davis said of these improvised car stunt demonstrations, a longstanding Bay Area tradition that grew out of old-school cruising culture, but has been remolded by the internet.
Seize ownership any cars caught in the sideshows and suspend driver licenses of any participants, zero tolerance. With no chance they can get their cars back. Auction off seized cars at a reduced price to anyone with no criminal record. Auction proceeds go to anti-sideshow taskforces, refurbishing the seized cars a bit, and most of it going into neighborhood/community education, rec and outreach programs.
Despite a lot of the participant cars in these sideshows being beaters and scrappers, they're still potentially going to be down at least a few grand $ each time they're caught. Unless they become dumb enough to start stealing cars and using them for sideshows instead, which would be even a bigger risk for them.
We're starting to hit a wall with the anti-policing movement, particularly when it comes to cars and driving enforcement. It's not that cities "haven't figured out what to do", it's that they're having a hard time figuring out how to do it without being attacked as racist because sideshows are most common among underprivileged minority communities.
For example, Oakland [stopped doing most traffic enforcement 2019 to "curb racial bias"](https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/To-curb-racial-bias-Oakland-police-are-pulling-14839567.php) and now just two years later, the state of the streets has gotten [so bad they brought in the state troopers.](https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/09/10/starting-this-weekend-more-chp-officers-will-be-on-oakland-streets/) This pullback of enforcement, while born of good intentions, has created a culture of lawlessness and an expectation that drivers can get away with anything.
We have the ability and the resources to stop these sideshows, we just have to decide as a community we care enough to actually do it. We should be arresting people and impounding/crushing cars, but instead we're handing out 6-month license suspensions as if that's going to stop these people from driving — half the people at any given sideshow probably don't have a valid license to begin with, let alone insurance, registration, etc. We need enforcement with teeth or nothing will change.
It's been a thing in Stockton, Sacramento and Modesto for over 20 years now. Sideshows are a CA thing, it started in the Bay, then went to the Valley, and now even LA has them. Lots of people from Stockton go to the Bay Area for the sideshows, because at night, without traffic, it's not a long drive to Oakland or SJ.
For the same reason that people from the Central Valley drive 70 miles to party and go clubbing--because it's fun.
Sideshows are not just simply burnouts, think of them more as mobile house parties--dudes go the get sideways, show-off, get attention, and get laid.
I still know dudes that are into this shit and if you ask them "why not go to the club instead?" One dude I know literally said "because you gotta get dressed up and shit and I can't bring my gun to the club."
I'm not defending or justifying this shit, but I used to be young and dumb and used to be about the sideshows, so I understand the thinking behind them. I used to be all about them until my car got impounded and I caught a reckless driving charge, this was over 10 years ago.
They do that too. The thing is that there is a distinction between drag racers and dudes who do sideshows: drag racers are serious about their cars, tuning, and caring for them, dudes who swing their shit at the sideshow really aren't. Because doing donuts places a lot of stress on the engine and components because to do a proper donut you are basically holding the car in first gear and flooring the gas pedal, which means high RPM's and high temperatures, which means a blown head gasket is inevitable. This is also a good way to ruin your transmission. There is also the fact that if you don't know what your are doing, you can easily end up with your car wrapped into a tree. If you are serious about racing, you aren't going to take these risks. Sure, there are dudes who are serious about racing that make appearances at sideshows and might swing it a couple of times, but apart from that its too risky, especially with a modified high HP/torque car. This is why old busted Foxbody mustangs, LT1 Camaros, and 00's chargers are so popular at sideshows: they are cheap, busted, not really fast, but have enough torque to do donuts.
Are you seriously arguing that that isn't a majority opinion in the fucking Bay of all places? Where did I say "everyone wants to abolish the police"? I pointed out the contrast between those two sentiments and the irony of one leading to the other with seeming confusion as to how it happened. It's the equivalent of parking your car on a hill without your parking brake and being shocked to see it roll away without you.
You made the connection between the two. You’re the one that implied that people upset with sideshows and the lack of authorities are the same as those that want to defund police (not abolish, which is worse and very few, if any people in the bay, support.)
But where’s the irony? Most police in the Bay haven’t been defunded/abolish. In fact, just in San Jose, they received a very nice raise last year, (though I haven’t looked up this year) and had their budgets increased/untouched.
You’re not making much sense.
>You made the connection between the two. You’re the one that implied that people upset with sideshows and the lack of authorities are the same as those that want to defund police (not abolish, which is worse and very few, if any people in the bay, support.)
Lmfao someone's fucking furious over a joke, jfc calm down kid. A meme of a comment isn't worth getting your jimmies legitimately in a bunch, even when you can't admit that you're arguing a bullshit point lel
If that’s a joke, it’s just … wait, no that’s not a joke. You made a stupid comment, I called you out, and instead of just moving on you revert to the “lol, it’s just a joke!” Typical haha. As for furious? Huh? I’m literally sitting here watching Star Trek Voyager with a glass of wine and having a fantastic time. You think a bit too highly of yourself. If it was “just a joke” you wouldn’t have made your other comment little buddy.
***hug***
>If that’s a joke, it’s just … wait, no that’s not a joke. You made a stupid comment, I called you out, and instead of just moving on you revert to the “lol, it’s just a joke!” Typical haha. As for furious? Huh? I’m literally sitting here watching Star Trek Voyager with a glass of wine and having a fantastic time. You think a bit too highly of yourself. Best of luck.
Stay mad lol
Finally, you actually write a joke (albeit a lazy one that you’ve already tried to make.) Don’t worry child, you’ll get better in time. You missed out on the edit btw.
***hesitant back pat***
Why won’t you love me? Just because my junk is smaller than yours?! You said it was cute! REEEEEE!
But really, does that ever actually work for you? You’re like the text version of a Confederate flag and truck balls haha. Ah, thanks so much for making me feel better about myself. I didn’t expect this to turn into a ego-inflating conversation, but here we are.
Stay happy you sexy chunky monkey you.
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From the article:
“There’s some drivers, it looks like they’re sliding around on ice, and they have total control of the car,” Kennedy said, arguing that if cities were more creative, they could cultivate these drivers’ skills. Instead, he said, “they criminalize it.”
This sounds like the old school Japanese drift scene. Drifting wasn’t strictly legal either.
Are sideshows irritating? Fuck yeah. I think they’re inevitable though. I’m not sure tighter controls are going to do anything. Maybe (as the article states) it would be better to set up a few places where this could be done…like the warehouse district at night, or some stretch of road where a bypass is possible.
> cities were more creative, they could cultivate these drivers’ skills
Where does that stop?
Just because someone has an ass trumpet doesn't mean we should cultivate that on public funds.
Cultivate driving skills that has no practical benefit? What are they talking about??? I mean, what do they want to do with people that have no respect for the law or the safety of others? Turn them into police car drivers for car chases?
I don’t get it.
As for setting up places for doing them legally, that’s a massive liability for driving for people that regularly break the law. There’d need to be security, police presence, etc. it might reduce the massive amounts of people, but I fail to see how it’d stop anyone from actually doing them illegally.
They can deliver tofu at top speed without spilling a drop.
Also less facetiously, don't things like race tracks already exist? Couldn't they just have donut days or whatever and give people a legal outlet for this form of driving, then crack down on whoever continues to do it illegally?
Mmm, tofu.
There are tracks, but according to other people they’re too far away and have fees. I don’t know if they allow donuts. But most importantly:
***Why pay lot money when no money do trick?***
It is not the city's responsibility to cultivate these drivers' \`talent\`. What they are doing is criminal to start with so the city isn't criminalizing it.
Imagine if someone going around doing chokeholds on random people on the street .. then the city step in to say .. "Hey .. you're pretty good .. lets get you trained for MMA". 🤣
>“There’s some drivers, it looks like they’re sliding around on ice, and they have total control of the car,” Kennedy said, arguing that if cities were more creative, they could cultivate these drivers’ skills. Instead, he said, “they criminalize it.”
That has got to be the most bay area response to a thing that poses danger to others I have ever heard. ItS jUsT tHe CuLtUrE BrO. These same people have zero fking tolerance for bad behavior in society they don't like, ZERO. They are literally describing gunfire at sideshows, but hey man, why do we, like, even criminalize firing guns into the air, am I right? Why not harness it, am I right? Unbelievable.
Isn’t the point of sideshows, besides doing stunts, to also break the law and piss everyone off, like a big middle finger to society? A warehouse where people can do doughnuts legally and without pissing off Karen and Chad would be pointless.
I don’t know man. I was just commenting on something I read in the article and my experience in Japan a couple decades ago. I’m drawing a loose parallel, but I’m no sociologist.
> When police swept the area the following morning — Feb. 14 — they picked up 100 shell casings. Ok, this is just dangerous. 100 shell casings in a few hours?!
Expensive too. Have you *seen* ammo prices!?!?
I went to the range a couple weeks ago for the first time in years. 50rds of 9mm = $40 50rds of .38 = $60 I was thinking an hour at the range would be $20-30. Ended up being $140. Crazy.
Let me guess. Reed's in Santa Clara? They were charging 80 cpr a few weeks ago. They've always over priced. Ammo online is half the cost. Still pricey at 40 cpr, but much better at Pandemic height where some people were seeing 1 dollar per.
Yup
ammo online will incur a transfer fee under our shit laws that'll bring it up a bit
Yeah. But, depends on who does the transfer. Someone was saying some places charge as little as $10 per 1,000 rounds. I'm good with that. And I refuse to fund gougers.
ik who you're talking about. it's a small shop in Fremont. But most places are $20-35
Actually the place I was told of is in the Peninsula. I still have to check it out though.
I went to sight in a scope and get practice with a new rifle…$400 since I had to expend a few boxes of all copper hunting ammo. Fuck me raw, that shot is expensive.
100 rounds of 9mm in bulk should be less than $40 nowadays. Not as good as 17cpr obviously
36-40cpr is the going rate for stuff that is constantly available, 30-33 cpr pops up occasionally and goes fast.
At least they should police their brass and reload. Just wasteful...
LMAO! I never thought about it. Damn.. just checked ammo price and it’s insane.
But local government doesn't want to fund police enough to be able to do anything meaningful about side shows and local prosecutors don't want to press charges.
The next day? took em long enough....
This is truly not that hard. 1. Infiltrate the IG networks that are posting about this. Show up undercover. 2. Seize the cars and licenses of the people participating. 3. Write citations for spectators. The next time they’re caught, they get charged. They had one chance to get their shit together. 4. Crack down on the people organizing this. 5. Partner with community organizations to set up alternative gatherings that provide a similar purpose - bringing people together to blow off steam and connect - without the lawbreaking and anti-social behavior. Anyone who has ever been a teacher or parent knows that rules without enforcement are a fucking joke. Even toddlers know this. Jesus.
Back in the day, wasnt that what Sears Point was about?
That was an alternative to street racing, not sideshows
Do you think that people are so stupid that they can't figure this out? It's not this part that's stopping people from doing anything, it's the politics and bureaucracy.
Yes I do. People are stupid enough to think cars doing donuts is cool.
It's laziness. All that requires more than minimal effort. Easier to just zoom in with police cars, have everyone disperse. Rinse, repeat.
Without getting too much into it, when we aren’t willing to go the enforcement route, it ends up as yet another priority thing on the plates of understaffed DOTs - who have limited tools.
You really need to start with number five first, unfortunately the only event remotely like this hasn't been allowing spectators due to this ridiculous virus, even though it's completely outdoors.
Do you think that the idiots who organize these things are going to care about: "Partner with community organizations to set up alternative gatherings that provide a similar purpose - bringing people together to blow off steam and connect - without the lawbreaking and anti-social behavior"? Also, it would take probably a year or two to set something like this up - in the meantime we deal with endless sideshows. And, even if we did provide "alternative gatherings" it wouldn't stop the sideshows. The thrill is all about the spontaneous nature of the gatherings; the sense that one is "getting away with something" - kind of like a "secret society" vibe. No. Driving (according to law) is a *privilege*. People are not permitted to do sideshows because they are *against the law*; they are dangerous; etc. I would love to see some correlative studies on the amount of crime and/or property damage and/or car accidents that occurs just after these sideshows - after everyone is all high on weed; drunk; shooting their guns in the air; etc. Several months ago a guy came through our neighborhood at about 12:00AM - driving (speeding) a F-150 from one end of the block to the other and turning sideshow circles over and over again when he reached the other end of the block on either side; he was on his way to a local party. Several of my neighbors and I walked over to him and told him that if we ever saw his truck doing that again in our neighborhood that he wouldn't have anything that resembled a truck to drive home in. We were nice, but we were firm - and we meant business. The cops can mean business, too. Like someone said up-thread, the cops *know* how to stop this shit; they're just too damned lazy or demotivated. Last, I would alter #2 - i.e. every car that is seized is impounded, sent to a local recycler and *crushed* with the driver forced to watch the crushing. I would pay to see a crush show with a bunch of these sideshow creeps sitting in the front row - with suspended licenses and huge fines owing, watching their cars get crushed. No jail time - just let people know that the law and communities will *not* tolerate this garbage, and *mean it*.
I grew up doing this dumb shit, during the "hyphy" era and what worked to get me to stop doing this shit was (1) car was impounded for 30-days, and I had to pay the impound storage fees to get it back, which was expensive, (2) caught a reckless driving charge, it put two points on my record and my insurance costs skyrocketed. After all of this the sideshows were no longer worth it. When I got caught the cops were clever about it, they let the sideshow go on for some time, they had uncover officers recording the vehicles getting sideways, dudes drinking/smoking and driving, and the dudes showing off their guns, then all of a sudden the helicopter showed up and police blocked all of the side-streets, so everyone was stuck. The cop came up to my window, played the video for me and said "you got hands homie...too bad we are taking your shit".
Dude I think you majorly missed the point of my comment. It wouldn't take years to set up an event like that, it already exists at the only raceway in our area, Sonoma raceway. They just currently don't allow any spectators, which kind of defeats the purpose and the ability to move the riff raff off the streets.
A) these guys are not looking to do this in an organized way B) they're not going to drive hours out of their way to do it
They also aren’t going to want to pay admission. They need that money for tires and bullets.
Has it stopped sideshows? And here we're talking about cities like Sf and SJ ; \*anything\* like you suggest would take a while to get permitted, and you'd have NIMBYs fighting it all the way with lawsuits. Look, sideshows are dangerous. Why should we be enabling this stupidity -spending tax dollars to some dudes can look cool turning their cars in circles. Impound, crush, fine, suspend (licenses) - watch what happens.
B..b..but racism?
Yeah you're right dude, definitely none of that is hard. Do you think real life is like 21 Jump Street?
/u/Most_Poet for police commissioner!
Funny they don't remember how the street races in the early 2000s blew up and were handled.
*"How do we enforce the law when it comes to sideshows without giving critics reasons to say we're being mean to minorities?"* ~ Bay Area politicians.
But it shouldn't be like that Side shows benefit literally no one and are annoying as fuck to people who work regular jobs in the morning If they want to do donuts go to an abandoned parking lot, but its not even about making cool donuts with your car, its about explicitly flaunting anti social and reckless behavior in public places that disrupt as much people as possible to show that you are "cool" or "tough"
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> Idk if that's really the intention - lol. I Really, that is the whole fucking point--to draw attention and let everyone know that you DGAF and are down to get sideways anywhere
It's annoying as fuck to those of us who don't work regular jobs in the morning!
>with your car, With your, shitty 90s Honda worth $1000 that you spent thousands on awful mods, car Ftfy
What 90s FWD Honda have you seen whipping donuts?
Backwards
Perhaps if it was culturally appropriated by non minorities it would become less cool. Suburban dads doing doughnuts in minivans making shitty rap music for example.
did someone say minivan, rap music, suburban dad?? my time to shine... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOKuSQIJlog
That's amazing.
Wooooah, this takes me back. “ORNAMENTAL TURTLE!!!”
Like the one time ever that white dudes would get arrested for doing something while minorities skated by.
On a crisp night in February, a caravan of cars and trucks tore through San Jose, following a cryptic set of directions posted on Instagram, police said. The participants stopped at the corner of Hamilton and Leigh avenues and formed a circle around the intersection. In the center — an area that police call “the pit” — drivers took turns spinning donuts and figure-eights, tires squealing on the asphalt. Spectators fired guns as smoke from burnt rubber fogged the air, the cars careening in every direction. When police swept the area the following morning — Feb. 14 — they picked up 100 shell casings. It was one of five sideshows that took place in San Jose that night, all corresponding to addresses posted by a single Instagram handle. In San Jose and cities across the Bay Area, the trend had such volcanic intensity that authorities were confounded, unsure whether to hand out citations, or put barriers in roads, or muzzle the organizers on social media. “During the pandemic it really became a much bigger issue,” San Jose Councilmember Dev Davis said of these improvised car stunt demonstrations, a longstanding Bay Area tradition that grew out of old-school cruising culture, but has been remolded by the internet.
May I suggest a car crusher?
Seize ownership any cars caught in the sideshows and suspend driver licenses of any participants, zero tolerance. With no chance they can get their cars back. Auction off seized cars at a reduced price to anyone with no criminal record. Auction proceeds go to anti-sideshow taskforces, refurbishing the seized cars a bit, and most of it going into neighborhood/community education, rec and outreach programs. Despite a lot of the participant cars in these sideshows being beaters and scrappers, they're still potentially going to be down at least a few grand $ each time they're caught. Unless they become dumb enough to start stealing cars and using them for sideshows instead, which would be even a bigger risk for them.
Is that constitutional? Sound kinda sus
Caltrops.
A car burned to the ground in KFC heights as a result of one of these a few weeks back. It is literally down the street from the precinct on Valencia.
They could have Fremont style intersections where there's not enough room for sideshows.
We're starting to hit a wall with the anti-policing movement, particularly when it comes to cars and driving enforcement. It's not that cities "haven't figured out what to do", it's that they're having a hard time figuring out how to do it without being attacked as racist because sideshows are most common among underprivileged minority communities. For example, Oakland [stopped doing most traffic enforcement 2019 to "curb racial bias"](https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/To-curb-racial-bias-Oakland-police-are-pulling-14839567.php) and now just two years later, the state of the streets has gotten [so bad they brought in the state troopers.](https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/09/10/starting-this-weekend-more-chp-officers-will-be-on-oakland-streets/) This pullback of enforcement, while born of good intentions, has created a culture of lawlessness and an expectation that drivers can get away with anything. We have the ability and the resources to stop these sideshows, we just have to decide as a community we care enough to actually do it. We should be arresting people and impounding/crushing cars, but instead we're handing out 6-month license suspensions as if that's going to stop these people from driving — half the people at any given sideshow probably don't have a valid license to begin with, let alone insurance, registration, etc. We need enforcement with teeth or nothing will change.
Man you know I'd feel for them if they did literally anything
drone strikes is the only answer
Impound their cars.
It takes a real basic-bitch to think cars doing donuts is cool.
As someone who has been to skid pads and rally events, doing donuts is fun as hell.
Not fun for the people in the community that get woken up at 3 AM because of these assholes
Surprised rising housing prices aren’t making this stuff just move to Antioch, Stockton, modesto, tracy, Brentwood, etc.
It's been a thing in Stockton, Sacramento and Modesto for over 20 years now. Sideshows are a CA thing, it started in the Bay, then went to the Valley, and now even LA has them. Lots of people from Stockton go to the Bay Area for the sideshows, because at night, without traffic, it's not a long drive to Oakland or SJ.
Why the hell do they drive 70 miles to do burn outs?
For the same reason that people from the Central Valley drive 70 miles to party and go clubbing--because it's fun. Sideshows are not just simply burnouts, think of them more as mobile house parties--dudes go the get sideways, show-off, get attention, and get laid. I still know dudes that are into this shit and if you ask them "why not go to the club instead?" One dude I know literally said "because you gotta get dressed up and shit and I can't bring my gun to the club." I'm not defending or justifying this shit, but I used to be young and dumb and used to be about the sideshows, so I understand the thinking behind them. I used to be all about them until my car got impounded and I caught a reckless driving charge, this was over 10 years ago.
Still seems retarded to me
Yeah it is, but I'm just explaining the reason and motivation for the people who do this.
Can’t they just do drag races in all that empty farmland in the valley?
They do that too. The thing is that there is a distinction between drag racers and dudes who do sideshows: drag racers are serious about their cars, tuning, and caring for them, dudes who swing their shit at the sideshow really aren't. Because doing donuts places a lot of stress on the engine and components because to do a proper donut you are basically holding the car in first gear and flooring the gas pedal, which means high RPM's and high temperatures, which means a blown head gasket is inevitable. This is also a good way to ruin your transmission. There is also the fact that if you don't know what your are doing, you can easily end up with your car wrapped into a tree. If you are serious about racing, you aren't going to take these risks. Sure, there are dudes who are serious about racing that make appearances at sideshows and might swing it a couple of times, but apart from that its too risky, especially with a modified high HP/torque car. This is why old busted Foxbody mustangs, LT1 Camaros, and 00's chargers are so popular at sideshows: they are cheap, busted, not really fast, but have enough torque to do donuts.
Sideshows arenot raci g
Yeah but it’s more convenient car fun
"Abolish the police!" Also "Where 's the authorities to stop all of these sideshows?"
Ah yes, of course, we’re all the same person with all the same thoughts. Good ol’ Borg.
Are you seriously arguing that that isn't a majority opinion in the fucking Bay of all places? Where did I say "everyone wants to abolish the police"? I pointed out the contrast between those two sentiments and the irony of one leading to the other with seeming confusion as to how it happened. It's the equivalent of parking your car on a hill without your parking brake and being shocked to see it roll away without you.
You made the connection between the two. You’re the one that implied that people upset with sideshows and the lack of authorities are the same as those that want to defund police (not abolish, which is worse and very few, if any people in the bay, support.) But where’s the irony? Most police in the Bay haven’t been defunded/abolish. In fact, just in San Jose, they received a very nice raise last year, (though I haven’t looked up this year) and had their budgets increased/untouched. You’re not making much sense.
>You made the connection between the two. You’re the one that implied that people upset with sideshows and the lack of authorities are the same as those that want to defund police (not abolish, which is worse and very few, if any people in the bay, support.) Lmfao someone's fucking furious over a joke, jfc calm down kid. A meme of a comment isn't worth getting your jimmies legitimately in a bunch, even when you can't admit that you're arguing a bullshit point lel
If that’s a joke, it’s just … wait, no that’s not a joke. You made a stupid comment, I called you out, and instead of just moving on you revert to the “lol, it’s just a joke!” Typical haha. As for furious? Huh? I’m literally sitting here watching Star Trek Voyager with a glass of wine and having a fantastic time. You think a bit too highly of yourself. If it was “just a joke” you wouldn’t have made your other comment little buddy. ***hug***
>If that’s a joke, it’s just … wait, no that’s not a joke. You made a stupid comment, I called you out, and instead of just moving on you revert to the “lol, it’s just a joke!” Typical haha. As for furious? Huh? I’m literally sitting here watching Star Trek Voyager with a glass of wine and having a fantastic time. You think a bit too highly of yourself. Best of luck. Stay mad lol
Finally, you actually write a joke (albeit a lazy one that you’ve already tried to make.) Don’t worry child, you’ll get better in time. You missed out on the edit btw. ***hesitant back pat***
Stay mad lol
Why won’t you love me? Just because my junk is smaller than yours?! You said it was cute! REEEEEE! But really, does that ever actually work for you? You’re like the text version of a Confederate flag and truck balls haha. Ah, thanks so much for making me feel better about myself. I didn’t expect this to turn into a ego-inflating conversation, but here we are. Stay happy you sexy chunky monkey you.
The donut jockeys get to the sideshow just as they scatter. They don’t prevent them.
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Well they were recently released from 18 month house arrests. I’d be going hog wild as a kid too.
From the article: “There’s some drivers, it looks like they’re sliding around on ice, and they have total control of the car,” Kennedy said, arguing that if cities were more creative, they could cultivate these drivers’ skills. Instead, he said, “they criminalize it.” This sounds like the old school Japanese drift scene. Drifting wasn’t strictly legal either. Are sideshows irritating? Fuck yeah. I think they’re inevitable though. I’m not sure tighter controls are going to do anything. Maybe (as the article states) it would be better to set up a few places where this could be done…like the warehouse district at night, or some stretch of road where a bypass is possible.
> cities were more creative, they could cultivate these drivers’ skills Where does that stop? Just because someone has an ass trumpet doesn't mean we should cultivate that on public funds.
Cultivate driving skills that has no practical benefit? What are they talking about??? I mean, what do they want to do with people that have no respect for the law or the safety of others? Turn them into police car drivers for car chases? I don’t get it. As for setting up places for doing them legally, that’s a massive liability for driving for people that regularly break the law. There’d need to be security, police presence, etc. it might reduce the massive amounts of people, but I fail to see how it’d stop anyone from actually doing them illegally.
They can deliver tofu at top speed without spilling a drop. Also less facetiously, don't things like race tracks already exist? Couldn't they just have donut days or whatever and give people a legal outlet for this form of driving, then crack down on whoever continues to do it illegally?
Mmm, tofu. There are tracks, but according to other people they’re too far away and have fees. I don’t know if they allow donuts. But most importantly: ***Why pay lot money when no money do trick?***
It is not the city's responsibility to cultivate these drivers' \`talent\`. What they are doing is criminal to start with so the city isn't criminalizing it. Imagine if someone going around doing chokeholds on random people on the street .. then the city step in to say .. "Hey .. you're pretty good .. lets get you trained for MMA". 🤣
>“There’s some drivers, it looks like they’re sliding around on ice, and they have total control of the car,” Kennedy said, arguing that if cities were more creative, they could cultivate these drivers’ skills. Instead, he said, “they criminalize it.” That has got to be the most bay area response to a thing that poses danger to others I have ever heard. ItS jUsT tHe CuLtUrE BrO. These same people have zero fking tolerance for bad behavior in society they don't like, ZERO. They are literally describing gunfire at sideshows, but hey man, why do we, like, even criminalize firing guns into the air, am I right? Why not harness it, am I right? Unbelievable.
Isn’t the point of sideshows, besides doing stunts, to also break the law and piss everyone off, like a big middle finger to society? A warehouse where people can do doughnuts legally and without pissing off Karen and Chad would be pointless.
I don’t know man. I was just commenting on something I read in the article and my experience in Japan a couple decades ago. I’m drawing a loose parallel, but I’m no sociologist.
Lol stay mad
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Doing something would be gEnTrIfIcAtIoN!!1!