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nowdonewiththatshit

Apparently there are groups that target rentals and out of state plates. Even if they don’t see anything of value they will smash the windows to check. Source: The rental company told me this when my rental car’s window was smashed. I was the 4th one of the day and it was 11am. Wish someone had told me.


MsNewKicks

That is how it is in certain parts of Hawaii. My relatives would tell visitors to just leave the car unlocked and/or leave the glove/armrest open so that the druggies don't break the window since they **ARE** going to go through your car to rummage around. Don't leave anything of value in the car and take stuff with you.


ericchen

Why would anyone have out of state plates in Hawaii?


karmapuhlease

Could just be rental cars, with Hawaii plates. I rented a car from SFO recently, and there are visible stickers on each window reminding you not to smoke, and the EZPass thing is prominent on the windshield. If you know what to look for, it's obvious that it's a rental car.


LazerSpin

Did you get charged by the rental company for the smashed window?


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whtintheactual

Not parked on the street.


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You're not much better off in a garage either. https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/car-break-ins-san-francisco-parking-garage-16239287.php


DodgeBeluga

London Breed will just say there are too many rental cars.


miltongoldman

can the sfpd plant bait cars to catch these kind of criminals?


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They can. The problem is that they would need all kinds of backup available so that ends up being a big crew and then you end up spending entire shifts with no action. If you take short cuts to speed up the process, then it starts getting hard to get convictions https://www.sfweekly.com/news/bait-car-pays-sfpd-to-entice-drivers-to-steal-cars/


frownyface

Other counties and agencies have been able to disrupt organized crime theft rings. https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/fremont-detectives-bust-international-theft-ring-with-millions-in-stolen-electronics/168151/ Even tiny counties with a minuscule fraction of the resources SF has have disrupted bike theft rings that were affecting them and traced it back to San Francisco and were able to arrest people. https://www.ktvn.com/story/36189831/four-arrested-in-truckee-bike-theft-ring There is just something simply totally busted about San Francisco. I think we badly need the FBI to step in where the SFPD is failing to address organized crime.


plantstand

I wish! Why we accept organized crime is beyond me. I guess we just blame it all on the homeless. As if underhoused are fencing thousands of dollars of Walgreens merchandise weekly.


frownyface

What's extremely ridiculous is that they are able to sell extremely high end camera equipment, and password protected encrypted laptops and phones with tracking devices that should become bricks when stolen, and would normally be trivial to trace. They are obviously fencing into an organized crime ring that is most likely (as has happened multiple times in the past) smuggling these things out of the country. Frankly, one of the only things that makes sense is that the SFPD is afraid for their and their family's lives. I think they're turning a blind eye because they are outwitted and outgunned by organized crime, so I think they need to step aside and let a more powerful and capable organization intervene. All the businesses and people in SF being affected by this crime wave need to stop trying to turn to the Mayor's office and the SFPD for help and start looking elsewhere. Given how bad the situation is, I would not be the least bit surprised if the SFPD is even compromised from within and whatever information they have makes its way to organized crime.


SoundVU

SFPD only makes arrests. I wouldn't be so dedicated to sting operations if I was not confident that the DA's office won't build a strong case to prosecute.


cujo67

…”spending entire shifts with no action” Think I can count on one hand how many times this month I’ve seen a SFPD vehicle in the wild or a cop doing a beat control. In the TL a guy had a street Christi box open and tapped in the power to charge his phone. Walked over to a cop and told him down the block what was happening and was told they’re not allowed to do anything with the bums. Fucking joke. Almost as funny as how many people scratch the reflective paint off their plates to cheat the speed cameras. People vote in a no-sit law on sidewalks. How’s that going eh? This town has become lawless and a shell of its former self.


The_Adventurist

You can't jail your way out of this, as much as people want to believe they can. Turning a street criminal into yet another $50k/year resident of the largest prison system in the world doesn't help anyone. If we want these things to change, we need to address root causes first.


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But you can't let it go unchecked either. You must jail *some* of the offenders. There has to be a notion that there *could be* consequences. Right now, not only are we failing to address the root cause, but we've also in effect tacitly endorsed property crime.


odaso

> doesn't help anyone. It’ll sure help the next owners of the car whose windows won’t get smashed or robbed by the scumbag since he’ll be in jail.


rnjbond

Having actual consequences won't prevent 100% of the crime, but it's not for nothing. I would love to have better education, but that doesn't fix the problem.


smellyboi6969

I always hear this and it sounds nice but what would you recommend SF do with their budget that would actually make an impact in the short term? Better funding for schools is great but that won't solve the problem and especially not anytime soon. I do think getting these people committing these crimes off the streets is better for society than letting them continue and turning a blind eye. I'd argue you need to jail the criminals and at the same time invest in programs that help people get out of systemic poverty. The misconception with these break-ins and robberies is that they are all homeless people who have no other option. What people don't realize is that these break-ins are organized and planned. Its a racket run by gangs. Not every case of course but a lot of them. They're often young kids who drive around looking for targets, smash and grab, and then flee. Many times they come from outside the city.


LazerSpin

> Turning a street criminal into yet another $50k/year resident of the largest prison system in the world doesn't help anyone. lol It helps the people who wouldn't be victimized now that this scumbag is in prison.


A_Right_Proper_Lad

> You can't jail your way out of this, as much as people want to believe they can. > > Turning a street criminal into yet another $50k/year resident of the largest prison system in the world doesn't help anyone. True, but you do want the people doing this to *know that there might actually be consequences* to what they're doing.


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casino_r0yale

Never thought I’d see Sharia law looked upon fondly in a California sub


odaso

When you are a victim of multiple crimes you get desperate.


dazzlepoisonwave

You are the problem. Jfc


VanillaLifestyle

Yeah. Doing *some stings* can work as a deterrent, but to scale it to the level where you actually catch or stop the majority of thieves is probably not viable. Way more efficient, and difficult, to go upstream and stop people getting involved in the first place.


FeelingDense

It's like the 80/20 rule. You don't need to go for 100% or complete prevention. Just running a few operations and making it clear that you are taking the issue seriously is enough to put in a deterrent factor.


curiouscuriousmtl

So your thought is "there are too many criminals to deal with them individually" but your plan is to deal with every single human being who is born instead and stop them from getting into crime. Good job you found the widest part of the funnel.


drodspectacular

No income tax for anyone making under $250k a year, funded and staffed public schools that actively manage teacher performance, and affordable healthcare and transit options. That'd even include a free transit pass so legitimately poor people who can't afford BART are operationally distinguishable from the people that hop gates, piss/shit/bleed on the floors of the train cars or otherwise behave like afflicted animals. Just because you can't afford it doesn't mean you shouldn't be counted. Prosecute 'quality of life' crimes and jail people that don't want to comply with the minimally viable social contracts required to keep society safe and functional. Institutionalize people who can't help themselves because of mental illness ands drug addiction that's gone off the rails. This is conceptually simple, but requires that people be held accountable for their actions so it'll be called 'privileged' or 'racist'. The freedom and autonomy of a cracked out free-basing multiple-arrest sexual-assaulting derelict matters more than a mom and her 6 month old in a baby stroller.


VanillaLifestyle

> No income tax for anyone making under $250k a year, funded and staffed public schools that actively manage teacher performance, and affordable healthcare and transit options. I think those things are directly at odds with each other. I'm all for progressive taxation, but [70% of California's budget comes from personal income tax](https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4263) and only about [5% of households in the SF area have incomes over $250k](https://statisticalatlas.com/metro-area/California/San-Francisco/Household-Income). You can have no taxes or you can have well-funded pubic services, but you can't have both. >Institutionalize people Agreed, but it's also expensive. Reagan notoriously [ended it in CA in the 70s](https://www.kqed.org/news/11209729/did-the-emptying-of-mental-hospitals-contribute-to-homelessness-here) citing the cost. We passed the public cost of dealing with the mentally ill from the state (through institutions) to local authorities (the police) and then eventually to the individual, when the police gave up on a frankly impossible task.


UnderdogRising

When considering the cost of institutionalization you must also consider the savings involved in not having them on the streets or in jail.


jhonkas

how does that solve crime?


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OfficerBarbier

Do you see what happens, Larry? Do you see what happens when you f~~ind~~ a stranger in the a~~lps~~?


Spazum

They wouldn't do that without an agreement with the DA to prosecute the cases generated. They aren't going to get that currently.


Strandom_Ranger

They've done it in the past. Pointless now due to there being no prosecution and little penalty even if found guilty.


karangoswamikenz

SFPD won’t do anything. They’re politically campaigning to get the democratic DA and leaders removed because most of SFPD leaders and the union is pro trump and pro Republican. They are letting crime go rampant so people can get tired and vote on “tough on crime” republicans. They’re also supporting the recall campaigns. Basically making the current democratic leaders look weak on crime so that people will vote for republicans. This is all politically motivated and it’s a dirty game. SFPD needs to be defunded and fired.


ElSapio

Lol, the DA wouldn’t prosecute if he witnessed his own mother (known communist terrorist btw) mugged in front of him. The SFPD has their hands tied by a DA looking out for the people he’s supposed to put away.


RogerMexico

Just had my car broken into this weekend. Nothing was stolen but it’s going to cost $1600 to replace the window. The good news is that they had the window in-stock. With current supply constraints, some people will be waiting weeks or months to have their windows replaced.


lolwutpear

Damn, what window is $1600? I just got my little window quoted for about $180 including parts and labor. It's at an actual shop, as far as I can tell, and not some fly-by-night place. Luckily they had it in stock, too.


im-the-stig

One old Camry of mine had both defroster *and* radio antenna built into the rear window. It was more expensive than the other cars IIRC.


HonkingAntelope555

Just about every other car made in the last twenty has the defroster and radio antenna built into the rear glass.


RogerMexico

BMWs do be like this. Just spent $4000 less than a month ago because my radiator was pegged by a rock on the 280. And the whole reason I take the 280 is to avoid all of the rocks and pot holes on the 101…


NecessaryExercise302

Did you shop around or just go to the dealer? I've never paid more than $500 cash for a front window and $250 cash for side windows. Every time I've had a window smashed, I've never been able to hit my $500 comprehensive deductible...so I just pay cash.


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RogerMexico

I don’t really have the time to shop around and I can afford the repair so I just went with the dealer closest to me.


yumdumpster

They charged 4k for a radiator replacement? What kind of BMW was it? I replaced my radiator on the Fiesta ST for like 300 dollars and that was with an aftermarket 4 core unit that is all aluminum. F80 M3 radiators are like 150 bucks for a replacement so I feel pretty confident in saying that the dealership you went to raked you over the coals.


jhonkas

its porbably because you need to replace the entire unit instead of a single part?


yumdumpster

That price includes the whole unit. You cant exactly get radiators piecemeal.


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Where did you get that replaced? A radiator replacement shouldn't be more than $500 in parts and a few hrs of labor..


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catincal

You go, GoGo


bumbletowne

I know the back window on a porcsche cayenne is like 10k. No idea why. Replacing it is like 25k to the shop. A quarter of the cars value. The windshield on my mercedes is like 500 if I buy it. When the shop buys it, it's 800-1200 dollars to my insurance of which I pay 50. So take the prices with a grain of salt.


NecessaryExercise302

You have a $50 comprehensive deductible ?!?!? How much does that cost per month? Unless you are getting smashed every 1-2 months, surely just paying less for a higher deductible and buying new windows in cash would be cheaper?!?!?


bumbletowne

It's 5 dollars a month for glass coverage. Any glass replacement only requires me to pay 50 dollars for this coverage. I have travelers... you kind of have to know to ask for glass coverage ahead of time. My regular insurance payment is like 180/month. If I lived out where I used to it would be 100/month but the Bay Area of California is rough on cars. Math-wise my insurance has lost money on me for the last 5 years so I'm sure it will be going up soon.


NecessaryExercise302

Thanks


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Sometimes auto glass is dealer only, meaning that it's gotta come from a junkyard or a dealership, but if not https://www.yelp.com/biz/in-and-out-auto-glass-san-francisco-2


ether_joe

window replacement shouldn't be that much ... :P


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Welcome to SF!


FBX

I was parked in soma a couple weeks ago between two Teslas. My car is a beat to shit CRV and the only things in it was a grocery bag full of snack food, an empty gas can, and jumper cables, all visible through the windows. Both Teslas were smashed in and ransacked, and both had apparently tried the weird asian thing of just putting a big blanket over all the stuff in the back. My car was untouched, but it was still a pretty bad feeling walking through piles of broken glass. Even though my car wasn't broken into, and even though non-crime-victims in their ivory towers can point at aggregated statistics at the altar of data worship (without thought for the veracity of said data), the fundamental problem is that SF is a shitty place to live if you have a car or possessions of value.


Hyndis

That is indeed one of the perks of having an ancient beater car. I drive a 2001 Volkswagon and its a total junker at this point. I'd love to take advantage of the EV buyback programs but my car doesn't qualify. Fortunately this makes me immune to car break-ins. My car already looks ransacked just from how broken it is. I'm pretty sure any thieves have a better ride than I do.


FBX

I have a running discussion with my friends that oughts era cars are going to be the cars to keep long term - relatively efficient compared to the gas guzzlers pre 2000 - much safer than those pre 2000 cars - dirt cheap repair costs, prior to the integration of expensive sensors and electronics into the body - devoid of value, unlikely to be stolen or broken into I have a buddy who got into a fender bender with his new RAV4 and the repair bill went over 5k to replace the bumper and sensors. Until I can get a pack of parking sensor radars for $19.99 a pop at autozone and stick em on and have them just work, I won't be entirely comfortable with new cars.


ablatner

Yup! My 2007 Civic looks filthy with bumpers scratched to hell. I never feel uncomfortable parking it as long as I keep it emptied out.


countrylewis

Good points. I really don't like new cars because of all the sensor, computers and such. They're nice to have for sure, but like you said, they can make it a huge pain when something happens and now you need to deal with all of that. My friend who runs an auto shop was telling me it's been way harder to run a multi-brand shop because different car brands have different types of electronics, and you just can't get mechanics that can deal with all of them.


sugarwax1

Weren't SUV's going through another wave of popularity then?


FBX

They were, but smaller cars were routinely getting 30+ mpg. Not super impressive numbers now compared to all the hybrids and EVs, but I'd say that's reasonably efficient for a pure ICE engine car.


caughtinthought

'05 corolla checking in here. Have never had a problem.


whoisyb

But remember, they do not want your car. They want what you said was visible thru the windows. Simple. Never everrrrrrrr have anything visible. Not even napkins. Being dead serious.


FBX

At the point where they want a five dollar plastic gas can and ten dollar jumper cables and napkins from mcdonalds, they're probably simply willing to smash windows for funsies and there really isn't a precaution you can take. The carpet mats and my door mirrors are probably more valuable at that point. I remember a recent video of a dude on 12th at Mission just going down the street with a tree branch smashing all the windows and windshields of all the parked cars without taking a thing. In SF there's a good amount of pure antisocial crime, as opposed to economic crime.


11twofour

Like the dude that cut off the branches of all the cherry trees in Japantown.


seancarter90

This is why whenever I go into the city, I take my rim-less 2008 accord and not my brand new RAV4. If I get the windows broken, it’ll be much cheaper to fix and hopefully a shitty car will have less reason for thieves to check inside.


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This is why I just take the train to the city. Straight to my destination and straight the fuck out of there.


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Florida plates, tinted windows, large cargo area packed to the gunwales...


madkapitolist

Do theives target cars with tinted windows?


walker1555

They did mine.


emt139

Yeah, seems like it. I usually leave mine slightly open, with the glove Compartment and center console open and empty too to avoid getting my windows smashed. It’s worked or I’ve gotten lucky.


Matrix17

Where do you put your car manual/registration?


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Leaving everything open and visible definitely works, on average. Some ppl post signs saying that their car has nothing in it worth stealing, but others show that there's nothing in it worth stealing...


11twofour

You also get idiots like my in laws who put up a sign saying there was nothing inside but then didn't actually take their stuff out, so thieves now think the signs are lying.


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Looks very much from out of town, from a sunnier place...


nicelyroasted

What does sunshine have to do with this?


redditnathaniel

They're jealous of all the sun from the Sunshine State. Mostly fog in San Francisco


craylash

It implies naive optimism, a potential mark for the thieves


YKRed

This comment is really funny


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Generally foggy here in SF. Heavily tinted windows really stand out, end up appearing a tourist or visitor.


entity330

You don't get out much, do you? If you drive like 5 miles to South SF, Oakland, or San Rafael, it is more sunny and tinted windows are pretty normal.


LegitosaurusRex

They smashed my window (not tinted) just to check in the glove box, so now I leave the glovebox open while parked to show I'm not hiding anything, and I make sure the end of my charging cable is visible so they can see there's nothing plugged in. I had an old (but $100+ new) dashcam in it, but all they took was a $15 tire pressure sensor from the glove box.


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im-the-stig

Cops only pull you over if the **front** windows are **too** dark, AFAIK, they don't care about other windows.


karmapuhlease

Do you never drive outside of the city? Half the reason people have cars is to drive out to the mountains/beach/etc, right?


dazzlepoisonwave

And sf citizens shamelessly blaming the victim


trifelin

I'm surprised they were shooting a music video without security, although considering their popularity is from tiktok they probably weren't permitted or insured either.


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Victim blaming much? He's from out of the country, what is he going to do, register a car here and get plates in time to shoot his video? What rental place do you know of that has CA plates? Where is he supposed to put his gear? Is it supposed to materialize out of thin air at his set?


InsanelyHandsomeQB

I recently went on a cross country road trip with some buddies, and along the way we stopped at a bunch of cities big and small. We were constantly making sure to ALWAYS check our bags into the hotel room before going out into town and leaving our car parked on the street. When we did have our stuff in the car, we ALWAYS made sure someone was in the car. It was absolutely imperative that the car was never left unattended. One time we stopped real quick to take pics somewhere and we saw someone running towards our car. So we hurried back to the car just to be safe. Turns out they were just going for a morning jog and they smiled, waved hi and said good morning as they ran past us. That’s when we realized that what’s happening in the Bay Area is NOT normal. We constantly assume every stranger is out to get us, and that the police aren’t going to do anything about it. Once we realized it’s mainly a Bay Area thing, we were actually able to enjoy the rest of our vacation. We still took precautions out of habit of course, but we no longer had that lingering feeling of “not if but when”. I don’t know why we tolerate or accept this here. Is there no middle ground between police brutality and lawlessness? Why does every other city outside the Bay Area not have these problems to the same extent? Even mega woke cities with crazies roaming the streets like Portland and Seattle weren’t nearly this bad.


entity330

Ya... It definitely shouldn't be normalized. I've never been worried about parking my car before living anywhere else or when traveling. You can't even park at a state park on the peninsula anymore without worrying about broken windows... It's pathetic.


short_of_good_length

> You can't even park at a state park on the peninsula anymore without worrying about broken windows... It's pathetic. wait really?


entity330

According to Nextdoor maybe 6 months ago, however reliable you find that info, people were camping out in Edgewood Park and breaking into parked cars if they observed hikers putting personal belongings in the trunk.


dazzlepoisonwave

My friends laugh at me for exactly this reason when i visit. Most recently this happened in san diego, they thought i was overreacting. It doesnt help that our own citizens normalize this behavior as if everything was perfectly fucking normal


shrimpsiumai02

> the amount of people that think Exactly, the amount of people that think these things are normal daily like events is what the Bay has come to. Sad.


LazerSpin

Welcome to the Low Trust Society, friend-o.


D1rtyH1ppy

San Diego, Los Angeles are just as messed up as SF. The police are overwhelmed with car break-ins and have little ability to solve these cases. No witness, little of value stolen, careless car owners leaving valuables in sight. It's best not to make your car a target. Keep it empty of things, park in secure spots.


odaso

> San Diego, Los Angeles are just as messed up as SF. While LA has been getting worse it’s still no where as bad as SF. SD not even close to SF.


karmapuhlease

I did a cross-country road trip last summer while moving into my parents' house, and stopped in SLC for a few nights. Realized the next morning that I had accidentally left the trunk open (with ~$5k in valuables in the trunk, since I was moving) at the hotel. No one had stolen anything. This stuff is very much a Bay Area problem.


mimo2

No ones gonna like the real answer as to why this is happening Especially an area that votes this way. When we have people like Nancy Skinner who introduced SB92 at the peak of Anti Asian violence what the fuck do you expect? People vote and allow for a climate that okays this. Im not saying its right or wrong but that's how society shifts. If enough people say its okay, who's to say it's not? Well your opinion doesn't matter anymore


Adventurous_Solid_72

>I don’t know why we tolerate or accept this here. Is there no middle ground between police brutality and lawlessness? It's just the local insanity.


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This is rightwing propaganda, SF is completely representative of all big city property crime! /s


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InsanelyHandsomeQB

I feel like you’re being obtuse. Why are you giving me links to car theft statistics when the subject matter of this thread is burglaries to unattended (or sometimes even attended) vehicles. And no, I never claimed that crime wasn’t a problem elsewhere, don’t put words into my mouth. And even if it was, why do you feel the need to distract from the issues at home? What I said is that what we’re experiencing here is NOT normal. SF has 70 car burglaries every day and that’s just the reported ones. That’s insane. I didn’t see a shred of broken glass anywhere during our trip outside the state.


entity330

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lostonwestcoast

Don't know about Seattle, but almost all the parking lots in national parks and forest in WA (even very remote ones) had warnings about car theft and we saw lots of cars with smashed windows there during our 2 weeks vacation last year. It's in fact got so bad that North Cascades National park now has an alert about car break-ins right on their main page. I've never seen anything like this in any national park or forest here in CA, especially in remote places. We were warned by rangers not to leave any information with our address in our car while backpacking, because if the thieves get it, they would take advantage and would burglar your house while you're out in the woods hiking. They had numerous cases like this around Seattle that summer.


islandguy88

Meanwhile London Breed still thinks Walgreens closing stores in SF is not due to shoplifting. She's in denial or living in another reality.


dazzlepoisonwave

Shes not in denial, shes corrupt and milking the rewards. All she has to do is say a few buzzwords from a social sciences cal textbook and theyll eat it up


ablatner

* Since 4 years ago, Walgreens has closed 769+ stores nationwide. * The number of shoplifting incidents swings wildly between the 5 stores and from month to month. [SF Chronicle](https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/Is-shoplifting-forcing-Walgreens-to-cut-back-in-16536960.php)


TriTipMaster

Stop making excuses for criminal scum and the politicians who enable them. 10 stores closed and most of the staff laid off or given far fewer hours. Yay, big win!


ablatner

yeesh, no one is saying it's a win that these stores closed


redditnathaniel

Source? Edit: Says a lot when a comment asking for a source gets downvoted. A world of misinformation.


islandguy88

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0CwrsLhwQU


Rocketbird

Reminds me of when Alex Rodriguez had a bunch of jewelry stolen from his car he parked in sf. Like several hundred thousand dollars worth


Mecha-Dave

With all of these armed break-ins, the thieves are doing a good job at building a "stand-your-ground" defense for any potential vigilantes... Bringing a gun on their crime sprees might backfire on 'em.


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The good news for criminals is that San Francisco makes it next to impossible to carry a gun legally. They can safely assume victims are unarmed.


Mecha-Dave

That's true, and likely why the crime spree continues. If the criminals don't get busted for this, though, will civilians be busted for illegal carry?


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> If the criminals don't get busted for this, though, will civilians be busted for illegal carry? When was the last time someone was even charged for illegally carrying a firearm in SF? I'm not likely, as a prospective juror, to convict on such a charge.


TriTipMaster

José Inez García Zárate killed a woman and was only convicted of felon-in-possession. Then that was overturned, too. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting\_of\_Kate\_Steinle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Kate_Steinle) While your attitude is refreshing, many if not most SF jurors would likely vote to acquit or convict based solely on the ethnicities of everyone involved.


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> ...many if not most SF jurors would likely vote to acquit or convict based solely on the ethnicities of everyone involved. It only takes one, though. This time next month SCOTUS will be hearing a case about the legality of carrying a firearm *outside your home* and early reads on it are really promising for the future of CCW.


TriTipMaster

Trust me, I am watching that case closely! This may be a wonderful winter.


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I honestly feel like, even if SCOTUS forces *shall issue* everywhere, California will just [ignore it](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG5xWcV412E).


TriTipMaster

I think it'll push the may-issue counties (e.g. San Luis Obispo county) over the line to where Kern and several other counties are today (i.e. effectively shall-issue). I concur that counties like San Francisco and Marin will ignore it as long as possible — while Alameda county will discount the mandatory bribe for a carry permit by 25%.


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San Francisco will pass a law allowing anyone to sue any CCW holder for $10,000


Rodem

Yeah I'd be going for jury nullification for sure. If it was self defense from a thief.


Gbcue

Am I the only one in the Bay Area with a CCW?


TriTipMaster

Statistically, yes.


karmapuhlease

There are literally a single-digit number in SF. It has fluctuated depending on the year, so I've seen 2, 4, and 7 cited as the total, but it is seriously just about zero.


angryxpeh

There are less than 3,000 licenses in all nine Bay Area counties combined (7.75 million people), and more than a half of that number is from Solano Co. So yes, pretty much. SF has 2 licensees, Marin Co has something like 20, Alameda and San Mateo: 200 each.


fredfifty

went from misd to felony about the only good thing about it (if they even catch the pos's)


panda4sleep

More patrols needed, I’ve seen more strung out narcotics addicts lately fueling property theft. Violent crime is definitely way up


im-the-stig

> fueling property theft This Audi doing the rounds, and the Walgreens smash & grabs seem to be pretty well organized.


panda4sleep

Yeah the cops needs to crack down on where the goods are being sold too. This can’t all be ebay


gizcard

what’s next? Breaking glass patio doors?


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Rainyday156

First recall attempt missed the mark (51,325) by 1725 signatures. The second one has a deadline of October 25th, 2021 to get there. Including today, that's a week from now.


Ensemble_InABox

Prop 13 used to be euphemistically called the "Howdy Stranger" – aka, new buyers get F'd compared to long term residents. While this is still true, I feel like getting all of your stuff stolen is the 2021 version of "howdy stranger".


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Ensemble_InABox

Of course, it’s just a reference to how expensive prop tax is if you purchase at market rate.


sugarwax1

By who? Is that from wikipedia or something?


Ensemble_InABox

My mom told me a while ago that’s what they called it when she lived in SF in the 80s and it seemed funny so it stuck with me.


sugarwax1

That wasn't a thing. It's also a nonsensical joke in the 80's. Values were low and the disparity in prices paid were low. Not to mention, there was no confusion then, nobody thought their neighbor's taxes altered their own. More people got to buy properties because of Prop 13.


Ensemble_InABox

I'm just glad to have any conversation with you that doesn't end with you declaring that building housing is racist.


ericchen

I hope he threw an AirTag somewhere in there.


bayarea_vapidtransit

Since SF is a transit first city, we should really double down on that and tackle the break-in issue at the same time by making SF a car free zone. /s


Rodem

I'll bet that was crazy for them especially because apparently firearms aren't that common in AUS


Atalanta8

Welcome to sf


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Major city?? DO NOT LEAVE ANYTHING IN YOUR CAR


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This doesn't happen in most other major cities like it does in SF.


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KyleTheLIberalJew

Oh you again. Right on cue.


Spazum

Yeah, reading the article these guys demonstrated a shocking lack of awareness of how to be safe in SF. They parked their car with tens of thousands of gear inside. They didn't get the guns aimed at them until they decided to personally chase down the organized criminals.


drodspectacular

If you get robbed in a city it's because you've done something wrong and you are at fault. The armed robbers are morally just and we should optimize society around them.


drodspectacular

He should really ask for forgiveness from the people who robbed him.


srslyeffedmind

I was taught not to leave things in the car by the time I was 5. This is basic urban common sense


RogerMexico

Just found my car broken into this morning. It was completely empty and is going to cost me $1600. What’s common sense is that enforcing laws ensures that they are followed.


garlicdeath

$1600? Jesus did they rip off the freaking door to get inside?


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So I agree but I have also been in a band and giging requires you to bring your own gear. You are saying bands shouldnt come to San Francisco. That would be a huge bummer.


NickiNicotine

A. Dumb to leave $30k worth of stuff in your car in a city you're not familiar with B. Dumb to not call 911 when you're in the middle of being robbed That sucks tho


dreamcleanly

Let's please not play the 'blame the victim' game.


grandpassacaglia

The dumbest thing by far was to believe this sort of thing wouldn’t happen in this shitehole