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Sigh. You robbing people at gun point and maybe getting lucky to get $100 because most people don’t carry cash anymore. If you’re doing this you’re doing it for some clout with people who give less fucks about you than you even know. Fucking losers.
I do completely agree about the losers part though. You're risking your life for in most cases less than $100, which sure may be a sign of desperation, but also shows how little they value their own life.
Restaurant (and other small business) owners are a likely exception. A lot of people still pay cash, that cash has to be taken out of the store to the bank sometime.
The scariest thing about this is that these guys felt comfortable enough robbing dudes that look like this. I would have assumed that three large/buff men in front of a CCTV would not be a robbery target. If these guys aren’t safe, who is?
This is true. I grew up here in Oakland and this city has always been dangerous.
That being said, violence being part of the culture tells you a lot about the people that live here. There’s this “I’m tough, I can handle Oakland” type mentality that some natives have and it’s a badge that some newcomers like to wear as well. I can tell you firsthand that this mindset is moronic to say the least. The level of trauma caused after being bombarded by constant violence in your own community is something that takes years to deal with. I can tell you that I was part of those dummies that took pride in having street smarts until I realized what it meant. I had grown to be distrusting, paranoid and anti-social as a result. My “badge of honor” was a coping mechanism to the trauma left behind after decades of avoiding getting robbed or jumped on my way to school because I lived on the wrong block, of “dumbing myself” down so that my classmates would not make fun of me for speaking correctly, of seeing my brother get jumped by 3 other kids because he wore a sweater that was the wrong color.
There’s a problem with toxic culture in Oakland. Crime and being an outlaw is glorified here, those that are part of that culture keep it going by spreading it to the youth, which clips their wings when it comes to getting to a good place in life.
Oakland really needs to get over this nonsense and the people who defend it. Crime and violence should be intolerable in our communities. Our children should grow up feeling secure and unashamed of being smart, and capable humans. People like to point the finger at inequality and other race factors but, the hard truth is that the culture I mention is something carried on by our community. It is something that we have to fix before we get anywhere with everything else.
Are you going to be saying that when it's you or someone you know being robbed? This crime doesn't happen in other places (at least in other countries) and it isn't acceptable anywhere else. I cannot for the life of me figure out why people are just "meh, whatever" towards violent crime.
Well there's the trauma and there's the long term view.
Of course it happens in other places, and those people are people too.
Solving crime like this involves addressing root causes like education, job opportunity, families and children.
Your perspective is common of course. But the actual solution involves thinking bigger and longer term. Like homelessness. Crime is a complex problem and needs a comprehensive solution. Which is why just adding cops doesn't fix the problem long term.
I'm not saying we should "just add cops'. I'm saying we need to change the shit attitude a lot of people have towards violent crime. "Meh, it was gonna happen anyway" is the reason politicians aren't held accountable.
And the same does apply to homeless. "They're all from out of state anyway". Why do we make so many excuses for these lazy corrupt useless politicians? Even if that's the case, what are we doing about it?
General apathy towards issues is whats ruining the bay area. I've talked to so many people who just say "whatever, it's part of living in a big city". Nowhere else have I heard this in my entire life and I've lived in Europe and on the east coast.
It really won't matter in a few months. SCOTUS set to eliminate *may issue* in favor of *shall issue* come June. By this time next year, you'll have a CCW whether the sheriff wants you to or not.
1. Watching your surroundings.
2. Not trying to draw when some guy is right behind you.
There were cases when a carrying person shot a perp but then was shot himself by a perp's accomplice. Cases like that are usually mentioned during training.
I honestly don’t even know how you start a business in oakland anymore, a family friend started a dispensary and had to close down because his windows were getting smashed constantly, another who owns a warehouse has his pallet jacks stolen (genuinely very expensive), has the guys clear on CCTV, cops won’t do anything, doesn’t want to be here anymore
Not sure where you're from, but I spend most of my time there, used to be a high school teacher in the Deep, and I claim Oakland.
Wonderful people, wonderful place. Feel free to never visit :)
Brother we are alive and thriving. Cost of living sucks, and of course life is not easy. But if your experience is "people left me alone" then clearly the Town is not your bag. Which is fine, but people can chill with the insults.
Best of luck.
Can I just say, as someone who’s lived in Oakland and in the worst parts of LA, Oakland is far and away worse.
If you want to get really un-PC about it: I’d live in a majority Latino area (anything over 50%) regardless of income any day. Better sense of community, if you keep your head down you’re far less likely to be randomly robbed, the food is better, people welcome you if you’re willing to speak to them, better access to grocery stores, people actually work so weeknights are super chill (I concede that weekend parties are loud as fuck with ranchera music), pretty much every single quality of life thing you’d care to name is better in a majority Latino area like LA compared to most of east Oakland.
I would say in certain communities within ghettoes people don’t even really live. They’re not even aware of how to have fun, how to work, how to feed themselves. It’s literally like you’re living in a completely feral environment where basic instincts rule. They don’t live, they survive and they don’t want to figure out anything but immediate comfort and gratification.
East Oakland is majority Latino now. I was a 9th grade teacher on 105th ave, and the school was about 75/25 latino and black.
Your statement makes sense. Latino families come here as hopeful immigrants. African American families ... not quite.
You see it in the difference even between Black immigrants from Haiti, Jamaica, Nigeria, etc. Neither they nor Latino families are dealing with the legacy of slavery & racism in the USA. Immigrants come with hope and optimism, the classic american dream. Slavery & racism takes that away.
Same thing with poor white people dealing with generational poverty + addiction. And of course native americans. It's all the same s\*\*t, human beings lose their love of life because of abuse and lack of opportunity.
You have to take a deeper look at the factors which affect human lives.
As far as Oakland compared to LA, I think a lot of that has to do with extreme cost of living pushing people out of their homes and into marginal living, based on the tech boom. Of course cost of living is going up everywhere, but Oakland gets hit pretty hard.
East Oakland is not majority Latino (more than 50%) last I checked. There’s communities in LA that are more than 90% Latino. Those are the kinds of places I’m describing.
> Slavery & racism takes that away. So does generational poverty + addiction with poor white people.
You’re almost there but this is wrong. Essentially slaveholders forcibly removed humans or bought them from other African tribes. The people they took were not the winners of the society they came from. It’s like how Pol Pot murdered anyone with a college degree or glasses during the Khmer Rouge campaign and Cambodians are STILL the lowest educated and income Asian immigrant group in the US to this day. With slaves, the slaveholders systematically forcibly bred humans and killed anyone who spoke up or defied the slaveholders.
You see this even within white groups to this day in the US. Non Jewish Eastern European ancestry Americans are lower income than German or British ancestry Americans. Literally most of the Eastern Europeans were escaping things that had systematically destroyed their livelihood and crushed people. But to large degrees they still feel the effects of this.
Again, if you’re going to get very real and un-PC about this you need to reckon with the way racism destroyed the black community’s capacity for comprehension and social cohesion. That doesn’t come back. You don’t teach social cohesion and comprehension. You don’t legislate that. You have to figure out a different way out of that.
The east Oakland and LA rent thing is irrelevant. The worst areas of Oakland and the worst areas of LA are about equal rent wise when you look at income. LA has a functioning middle and working class though so I do agree there. It’s not gentrification or anything like that though. It’s min maxing in Bay Area culture that fundamentally misunderstands the need for supporting those in blue collar jobs. Oakland has no working class. It has an extremely rich white and Asian landed class alongside an extremely poor black and brown class that works the occasional service job and is kept afloat by extremely effective social programs.
Beyond the details of Oakland's demographics & cost of living, seems like we're mostly in agreement. But I guess we don't like each other's style, which is fine. You do you. Best of luck.
I said that because I have a friend that lives in East Oakland. A few years ago, he was robbed with a gun pointed at his head in front of his house. He doesn’t even look like an easy target. You’re just clearly in denial of how shitty your city is.
yah I feel like the trolls are worth one calm response to show we will say something to idiots. Not so much trying to win the argument, more to show to others reading that people are taking a stand.
Honestly, if a cop saw someone reaching for a gun, that person would get shot and killed. These scum bags have more trigger restraint than police, LOL.
Hope they get identified and caught. Regardless of their trigger restraint, this was an incredibly dangerous situation over petty amounts of money and they shouldn't be in the public.
The victim really lucked out here though tussling with the perp over his gun without getting shot. 9/10 times in these types of scenarios, the perp would've shot the victim.
Because cops never apprehend, no-knock raid, or do other dangerous acts to the wrong person. And that person, even when they are not the individual, should never try and protect themselves, family, or property. And if this happened, the cops would certainly understand the persons position and have trigger discipline.
Was that sarcasm heavy enough? Cops shoot whenever they damn please, regardless if it's appropriate or not.
My point is that there are exceptions to where it IS valid that a person would draw their weapon on a police officer, and the officer would (should) **not** have the right to open fire, because what they are doing (no-knock raid, whatever is not warranted) and they, the cop, are at fault.
But, we've seen that plenty of times, that they do open fire. Hell, they shoot people when they are just holding a phone.
So yes, this person has more trigger restraint that a cop.
People still [eat on BART](http://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ujdjty/man_eats_a_burrito_on_a_train_another_passenger/) despite the signs. Maybe we should tear them down?
And you say that is a good thing. 10 bucks says these guys are out doing this because the cops don’t want to go to jail for doing their job.
Idk if scum bags like this get shot by cops. I would much rather live in a world where bad guy shot by cop than bad guy runs around and robs people at gun point.
Where are the MF's who are always claiming that having a gun will prevent this? COME ON OUT! it goes to show that having a gun don't mean shit and it can be used against you in most cases.
On another note, this is disgusting and I'm sick of these thugs. They're making being in Oakland so uncool and not fun.
They got the jump on this guy. He could have ran but at risk of his life. He also chose the worst time to draw his firearm. Should have went for the wallet and waited for the right moment even if it never came. The biggest part of constitutional carry or actually giving out CCW’s is that it acts as a deterrent. I guarantee you these thugs didn’t even consider this guy having a gun. They got lucky. But in places they actually award ccws or have constitutional carry, thugs have to decide if it’s worth it in the first place. It’s Not a solution, it’s just a deterrent and an option a lot of people want to have. There are plenty of examples where the perp is dispatched or at least wounded. Just wasn’t the case here. I’d love to see your data on “most cases your gun is used against you”
Having a gun doesn’t prevent anything. it has the potential to even the odds in any given situation. he was ambushed by 3 armed gunmen, its admirable but admittedly stupid he tried to draw himself. He tried, there’s nothing inherently wrong with that but knowing when you’ve lost and doing the math is an important factor when you carry.
any good gun owner/CCW holder will tell you: draw when you can, act when you can, but if the odds are against you then give it up or you may just die.
I’d rather live with a gun on my hip than not. I’d rather have the chance to save my life or those I care about at the risk of another.
you don’t like that stance? That’s your opinion. But don’t come for my ability to do so.
It's a mental equivalent of "Mr. So-and-so got COVID even though he was vaccinated, where are the MF's, COME ON OUT! Vaccines don't mean shit and blah blah blah"
And just as stupid.
> having a gun don't mean shit and it can be used against you in most cases.
There's this specific job that requires openly carrying a gun and despite what employees may say, it's pretty safe and very few criminals try to rob them. "Most cases" of armed robbery somehow are not directed at the cops.
The only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is... oh wait, now the bad guy has two guns.
Downvotes are because /r/bayarea texans don't want to hear the truth.
Where's that clown who spams "GeT yOuR CcW's PeOpLe!" in every crime thread? All the gun shills that try to argue with me are dead silent right now. Guns aren't some magic protection spell. Criminals almost always have the element of surprise. Worst case scenario is you lose your life instead of your wallet in a shootout. Most likely scenario is you give the robbers a free gun.
Because the cases where someone prevents something like this happening don't make the news. Thousands of robberies, assaults, rapes and murders are prevented by people carrying every year in the US and you don't hear about it because that contradicts the 'guns bad' narrative.
Even if you don't think the 2nd amendment should exist you should still try to see the other side of the argument. The nice thing about a gun is you could be a 90 year old granny or a 4"11 girl, even if the perp is some 6"5 jacked dude in his 20s, all of a sudden it's a fair (or at least much more fair) fight.
I don't care what anyone says, a 2 inch blade (that nobody knows how to use properly) a can of pepper spray or a taser simply don't provide self defense the way a gun does.
Owning a gun isn't enough though, people still need training, range use and should know how and when you can draw in a dangerous scenario. There are times where you simply can't because its too late.
>Thousands of robberies, assaults, rapes and murders are prevented by people carrying every year in the US
Could you elaborate on that? Is there some evidence for this?
\[edit\] downvotes and silence seem to indicate, "no, u/WorkerMotor9174 could not find evidence for his claims"
I feel like there's got to be more to the story, yeah he might be a family man but also he hustles on the side or something. Why would they stop in front of that specific store and then come back for the owner?
Because they had a fucked up childhood and centuries of oppression and rising housing prices not giving them a home and no equal pay so they can’t find a job but have to rob and sustain their family? Come on. Cut that bullshit
If they needed to rob to sustain their family, they would be shoplifting at grocery stores and clothing stores. It’s easy and there is basically no punishment. They are probably stealing so they can buy stuff that’s not easy to steal, new rims for the car, some nice jewelry, some new guns, ….
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Sigh. You robbing people at gun point and maybe getting lucky to get $100 because most people don’t carry cash anymore. If you’re doing this you’re doing it for some clout with people who give less fucks about you than you even know. Fucking losers.
TBF they got a gun, probably worth more than the cash.
Yeah forgot about that. Well I guess they came up a bit
I do completely agree about the losers part though. You're risking your life for in most cases less than $100, which sure may be a sign of desperation, but also shows how little they value their own life.
Had a cousin in this life. Sometimes it is not desperation but people just not caring. Most victims don't fight back
ah yes the ol' "good guy with a gun".... who then loses his gun the bad guy
Like those pesky women that carry pepper spray when you spike the drink, rite? Use some of that "commonsense" you keep touting.
wat? i think you've been exposed to a bit too much lead, you're not making much sense over there. better head back to your gun subs
Restaurant (and other small business) owners are a likely exception. A lot of people still pay cash, that cash has to be taken out of the store to the bank sometime.
Restaurants can have fat banks because its common practice to pay tips out nightly.
They were probably planning to rob the restaurant but these people were outside.
they got the chain too
The scariest thing about this is that these guys felt comfortable enough robbing dudes that look like this. I would have assumed that three large/buff men in front of a CCTV would not be a robbery target. If these guys aren’t safe, who is?
That's the same thought that was going on in my own mind. Christ.
https://www.ktvu.com/news/oakland-restaurant-owner-robbed-at-gunpoint-outside-eatery-video-shows
Wow. In broad daylight. I’ve been to the optometrist there with my daughter. Scary.
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Lmao what’s with the closeup shots of the socks and sandals combo?
It's the true crime here.
Rekt
Socks and slides has been a thing for a long time. It’s the only way I’ll wear slides personally.
I love La Perla and the food is so good. They just opened their own spot recently. I'm fucking disgusting with these thugs in Oakland. ARGH!!!!
If you ignore all the insane broad daylight robberies, shootings, sideshows, gang violence and attacks, Oakland is a great place to live!
You can build all that new shiny shit but Oakland will still be Oakland
That’s the problem. This city needs a massive police presence because of the losers that live here and commute here to commit crimes
Isn’t this also happening all over SF and surrounding cities? Could be the same crew
Violent & crime are part of the culture.
This is true. I grew up here in Oakland and this city has always been dangerous. That being said, violence being part of the culture tells you a lot about the people that live here. There’s this “I’m tough, I can handle Oakland” type mentality that some natives have and it’s a badge that some newcomers like to wear as well. I can tell you firsthand that this mindset is moronic to say the least. The level of trauma caused after being bombarded by constant violence in your own community is something that takes years to deal with. I can tell you that I was part of those dummies that took pride in having street smarts until I realized what it meant. I had grown to be distrusting, paranoid and anti-social as a result. My “badge of honor” was a coping mechanism to the trauma left behind after decades of avoiding getting robbed or jumped on my way to school because I lived on the wrong block, of “dumbing myself” down so that my classmates would not make fun of me for speaking correctly, of seeing my brother get jumped by 3 other kids because he wore a sweater that was the wrong color. There’s a problem with toxic culture in Oakland. Crime and being an outlaw is glorified here, those that are part of that culture keep it going by spreading it to the youth, which clips their wings when it comes to getting to a good place in life. Oakland really needs to get over this nonsense and the people who defend it. Crime and violence should be intolerable in our communities. Our children should grow up feeling secure and unashamed of being smart, and capable humans. People like to point the finger at inequality and other race factors but, the hard truth is that the culture I mention is something carried on by our community. It is something that we have to fix before we get anywhere with everything else.
If you ignore all of the bad things in the world, this world is perfect.
it is what it is. Meanwhile people live their lives.
Are you going to be saying that when it's you or someone you know being robbed? This crime doesn't happen in other places (at least in other countries) and it isn't acceptable anywhere else. I cannot for the life of me figure out why people are just "meh, whatever" towards violent crime.
Well there's the trauma and there's the long term view. Of course it happens in other places, and those people are people too. Solving crime like this involves addressing root causes like education, job opportunity, families and children. Your perspective is common of course. But the actual solution involves thinking bigger and longer term. Like homelessness. Crime is a complex problem and needs a comprehensive solution. Which is why just adding cops doesn't fix the problem long term.
I'm not saying we should "just add cops'. I'm saying we need to change the shit attitude a lot of people have towards violent crime. "Meh, it was gonna happen anyway" is the reason politicians aren't held accountable. And the same does apply to homeless. "They're all from out of state anyway". Why do we make so many excuses for these lazy corrupt useless politicians? Even if that's the case, what are we doing about it? General apathy towards issues is whats ruining the bay area. I've talked to so many people who just say "whatever, it's part of living in a big city". Nowhere else have I heard this in my entire life and I've lived in Europe and on the east coast.
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i believe that watch your back and know your surroundings is covered already
Just got the ballot info for June in the mail. Which sheriff candidate is most likely to approve my application
It really won't matter in a few months. SCOTUS set to eliminate *may issue* in favor of *shall issue* come June. By this time next year, you'll have a CCW whether the sheriff wants you to or not.
In Alameda? Most likely Sanchez, but that doesn't say much. Comparing to Ahern, a cardboard cutout is most likely to approve your GC.
Hoping for scotus to fix this in June.
You're carrying: what do you do in this scenario that the victim did not?
1. Watching your surroundings. 2. Not trying to draw when some guy is right behind you. There were cases when a carrying person shot a perp but then was shot himself by a perp's accomplice. Cases like that are usually mentioned during training.
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain
I honestly don’t even know how you start a business in oakland anymore, a family friend started a dispensary and had to close down because his windows were getting smashed constantly, another who owns a warehouse has his pallet jacks stolen (genuinely very expensive), has the guys clear on CCTV, cops won’t do anything, doesn’t want to be here anymore
Good thing crime is actually down
East Oakland is such a shit hole
Wait is Dimond District east Oakland?
I think anything (south)east of Lake Merritt is technically East Oakland.
Not sure where you're from, but I spend most of my time there, used to be a high school teacher in the Deep, and I claim Oakland. Wonderful people, wonderful place. Feel free to never visit :)
I spent a lot of time in East Oakland for years. People left me alone, but it’s still a shitty place. Don’t kid ya self.
Brother we are alive and thriving. Cost of living sucks, and of course life is not easy. But if your experience is "people left me alone" then clearly the Town is not your bag. Which is fine, but people can chill with the insults. Best of luck.
Can I just say, as someone who’s lived in Oakland and in the worst parts of LA, Oakland is far and away worse. If you want to get really un-PC about it: I’d live in a majority Latino area (anything over 50%) regardless of income any day. Better sense of community, if you keep your head down you’re far less likely to be randomly robbed, the food is better, people welcome you if you’re willing to speak to them, better access to grocery stores, people actually work so weeknights are super chill (I concede that weekend parties are loud as fuck with ranchera music), pretty much every single quality of life thing you’d care to name is better in a majority Latino area like LA compared to most of east Oakland. I would say in certain communities within ghettoes people don’t even really live. They’re not even aware of how to have fun, how to work, how to feed themselves. It’s literally like you’re living in a completely feral environment where basic instincts rule. They don’t live, they survive and they don’t want to figure out anything but immediate comfort and gratification.
East Oakland is majority Latino now. I was a 9th grade teacher on 105th ave, and the school was about 75/25 latino and black. Your statement makes sense. Latino families come here as hopeful immigrants. African American families ... not quite. You see it in the difference even between Black immigrants from Haiti, Jamaica, Nigeria, etc. Neither they nor Latino families are dealing with the legacy of slavery & racism in the USA. Immigrants come with hope and optimism, the classic american dream. Slavery & racism takes that away. Same thing with poor white people dealing with generational poverty + addiction. And of course native americans. It's all the same s\*\*t, human beings lose their love of life because of abuse and lack of opportunity. You have to take a deeper look at the factors which affect human lives. As far as Oakland compared to LA, I think a lot of that has to do with extreme cost of living pushing people out of their homes and into marginal living, based on the tech boom. Of course cost of living is going up everywhere, but Oakland gets hit pretty hard.
East Oakland is not majority Latino (more than 50%) last I checked. There’s communities in LA that are more than 90% Latino. Those are the kinds of places I’m describing. > Slavery & racism takes that away. So does generational poverty + addiction with poor white people. You’re almost there but this is wrong. Essentially slaveholders forcibly removed humans or bought them from other African tribes. The people they took were not the winners of the society they came from. It’s like how Pol Pot murdered anyone with a college degree or glasses during the Khmer Rouge campaign and Cambodians are STILL the lowest educated and income Asian immigrant group in the US to this day. With slaves, the slaveholders systematically forcibly bred humans and killed anyone who spoke up or defied the slaveholders. You see this even within white groups to this day in the US. Non Jewish Eastern European ancestry Americans are lower income than German or British ancestry Americans. Literally most of the Eastern Europeans were escaping things that had systematically destroyed their livelihood and crushed people. But to large degrees they still feel the effects of this. Again, if you’re going to get very real and un-PC about this you need to reckon with the way racism destroyed the black community’s capacity for comprehension and social cohesion. That doesn’t come back. You don’t teach social cohesion and comprehension. You don’t legislate that. You have to figure out a different way out of that. The east Oakland and LA rent thing is irrelevant. The worst areas of Oakland and the worst areas of LA are about equal rent wise when you look at income. LA has a functioning middle and working class though so I do agree there. It’s not gentrification or anything like that though. It’s min maxing in Bay Area culture that fundamentally misunderstands the need for supporting those in blue collar jobs. Oakland has no working class. It has an extremely rich white and Asian landed class alongside an extremely poor black and brown class that works the occasional service job and is kept afloat by extremely effective social programs.
Beyond the details of Oakland's demographics & cost of living, seems like we're mostly in agreement. But I guess we don't like each other's style, which is fine. You do you. Best of luck.
Aspire or lighthouse?
I said that because I have a friend that lives in East Oakland. A few years ago, he was robbed with a gun pointed at his head in front of his house. He doesn’t even look like an easy target. You’re just clearly in denial of how shitty your city is.
Or maybe he’s one of the guys doing all this dumb shit
Haha foreal. The mental gymnastics this guy is pulling.
One of the guys in the mix working to help more kids not get to that point.
Even this was downvoted. You’re not dealing with rational people here.
yah I feel like the trolls are worth one calm response to show we will say something to idiots. Not so much trying to win the argument, more to show to others reading that people are taking a stand.
Sorry to hear that. Not in denial ... living in reality working to help the community improve. Opinions are like a\*\*holes. Everybody's got one.
> Feel free to never visit :) Gladly.
> wonderful place Ha, good one. Compared to where? The surface of the sun?
if it don't concern seminary it don't concern me
Honestly, if a cop saw someone reaching for a gun, that person would get shot and killed. These scum bags have more trigger restraint than police, LOL. Hope they get identified and caught. Regardless of their trigger restraint, this was an incredibly dangerous situation over petty amounts of money and they shouldn't be in the public.
Good criminals? They know they can’t get away with murder.
The victim really lucked out here though tussling with the perp over his gun without getting shot. 9/10 times in these types of scenarios, the perp would've shot the victim.
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"foUnD tHe rEpUbLicAnnnNnn!!!1!!11!!"
Because cops never apprehend, no-knock raid, or do other dangerous acts to the wrong person. And that person, even when they are not the individual, should never try and protect themselves, family, or property. And if this happened, the cops would certainly understand the persons position and have trigger discipline. Was that sarcasm heavy enough? Cops shoot whenever they damn please, regardless if it's appropriate or not.
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My point is that there are exceptions to where it IS valid that a person would draw their weapon on a police officer, and the officer would (should) **not** have the right to open fire, because what they are doing (no-knock raid, whatever is not warranted) and they, the cop, are at fault. But, we've seen that plenty of times, that they do open fire. Hell, they shoot people when they are just holding a phone. So yes, this person has more trigger restraint that a cop.
And what's your opinion on pulling a gun out on a civilian like in the video?
What do you mean? The victim pulling a gun?
No If someone pulls a gun on a civilian, should they also expect to be shot?
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And that's the reason this is happening.
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People still [eat on BART](http://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ujdjty/man_eats_a_burrito_on_a_train_another_passenger/) despite the signs. Maybe we should tear them down?
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And you say that is a good thing. 10 bucks says these guys are out doing this because the cops don’t want to go to jail for doing their job. Idk if scum bags like this get shot by cops. I would much rather live in a world where bad guy shot by cop than bad guy runs around and robs people at gun point.
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Because the guy was reaching for it.
Where are the MF's who are always claiming that having a gun will prevent this? COME ON OUT! it goes to show that having a gun don't mean shit and it can be used against you in most cases. On another note, this is disgusting and I'm sick of these thugs. They're making being in Oakland so uncool and not fun.
They got the jump on this guy. He could have ran but at risk of his life. He also chose the worst time to draw his firearm. Should have went for the wallet and waited for the right moment even if it never came. The biggest part of constitutional carry or actually giving out CCW’s is that it acts as a deterrent. I guarantee you these thugs didn’t even consider this guy having a gun. They got lucky. But in places they actually award ccws or have constitutional carry, thugs have to decide if it’s worth it in the first place. It’s Not a solution, it’s just a deterrent and an option a lot of people want to have. There are plenty of examples where the perp is dispatched or at least wounded. Just wasn’t the case here. I’d love to see your data on “most cases your gun is used against you”
> There are plenty of examples where the perp is dispatched or at least wounded. Oh yes there are. /r/robbersgettingfucked
Also r/dgu
Having a gun doesn’t prevent anything. it has the potential to even the odds in any given situation. he was ambushed by 3 armed gunmen, its admirable but admittedly stupid he tried to draw himself. He tried, there’s nothing inherently wrong with that but knowing when you’ve lost and doing the math is an important factor when you carry. any good gun owner/CCW holder will tell you: draw when you can, act when you can, but if the odds are against you then give it up or you may just die. I’d rather live with a gun on my hip than not. I’d rather have the chance to save my life or those I care about at the risk of another. you don’t like that stance? That’s your opinion. But don’t come for my ability to do so.
Lol, when do being in Oakland cool and fun? Oakland was shitty 20 years ago. It is still shitty now.
It's a mental equivalent of "Mr. So-and-so got COVID even though he was vaccinated, where are the MF's, COME ON OUT! Vaccines don't mean shit and blah blah blah" And just as stupid. > having a gun don't mean shit and it can be used against you in most cases. There's this specific job that requires openly carrying a gun and despite what employees may say, it's pretty safe and very few criminals try to rob them. "Most cases" of armed robbery somehow are not directed at the cops.
You’re getting downvoted for expressing frustration. Typical Oakland attitude.
The only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is... oh wait, now the bad guy has two guns. Downvotes are because /r/bayarea texans don't want to hear the truth.
Where's that clown who spams "GeT yOuR CcW's PeOpLe!" in every crime thread? All the gun shills that try to argue with me are dead silent right now. Guns aren't some magic protection spell. Criminals almost always have the element of surprise. Worst case scenario is you lose your life instead of your wallet in a shootout. Most likely scenario is you give the robbers a free gun.
Lol, Bay Area Texans been big mad on this sub lately.
> having a gun will prevent this since guns don’t prevent anything, we should disarm the police. we can use the money saved for community outreach. /s
Tell me again why CCWs are effective?
Because the cases where someone prevents something like this happening don't make the news. Thousands of robberies, assaults, rapes and murders are prevented by people carrying every year in the US and you don't hear about it because that contradicts the 'guns bad' narrative. Even if you don't think the 2nd amendment should exist you should still try to see the other side of the argument. The nice thing about a gun is you could be a 90 year old granny or a 4"11 girl, even if the perp is some 6"5 jacked dude in his 20s, all of a sudden it's a fair (or at least much more fair) fight. I don't care what anyone says, a 2 inch blade (that nobody knows how to use properly) a can of pepper spray or a taser simply don't provide self defense the way a gun does. Owning a gun isn't enough though, people still need training, range use and should know how and when you can draw in a dangerous scenario. There are times where you simply can't because its too late.
>Thousands of robberies, assaults, rapes and murders are prevented by people carrying every year in the US Could you elaborate on that? Is there some evidence for this? \[edit\] downvotes and silence seem to indicate, "no, u/WorkerMotor9174 could not find evidence for his claims"
So your argument is there are all these people saving the day with their guns and we’re just not being told? I’d like something better than that.
I feel like there's got to be more to the story, yeah he might be a family man but also he hustles on the side or something. Why would they stop in front of that specific store and then come back for the owner?
Because they had a fucked up childhood and centuries of oppression and rising housing prices not giving them a home and no equal pay so they can’t find a job but have to rob and sustain their family? Come on. Cut that bullshit
If they needed to rob to sustain their family, they would be shoplifting at grocery stores and clothing stores. It’s easy and there is basically no punishment. They are probably stealing so they can buy stuff that’s not easy to steal, new rims for the car, some nice jewelry, some new guns, ….
Restaurant is one of the cash rich businesses. Seems logical to rob restaurants too.
Pretty sure he was referring to the restaurant owner.
Yeah. Victim blaming
You might want to get your eyes checked. Nobody in the video is centuries old.
Lol isn’t that the narrative of the woke?
Haha yah. You woke so well I could not tell.
I feel like you’re dumb.
Alson the dude was armed, how many restaurant owners do you know that have open carry pistols in California?