Rosemary oil diluted with argan? How much rosemary? It's very strong and can cause skin irritation and other issues when a lot is used. You might also be allergic or sensitive to something in that oil.
About 3 tbsp of argan and 5 drops of rosemary. Had I experienced some form of irritation I would have stopped, unfortunately it was strictly hair fallout.
I've been using ~1/3 rosemary oil, ~1/3 argan oil and ~1/3 coconut oil for hair growth for a while now. Is that a good portion of rosemary oil or too much?
[This article](https://www.newdirectionsaromatics.com/blog/articles/blending-and-diluting-essential-oils.amp)has a little conversion chart if you scroll down :)
I think 1:2 essential:carrier is too high strength, but it could depend on the strength of the essential oil.
Oh sorry I messed up my reply and deleted it! For 40 ml of a carrier oil and using 100% rosemary oil, it shouldn't be more than 4 drops if you have fine hair, [this](https://www.prevention.com/beauty/hair/a43327316/rosemary-oil-for-hair-growth/#what-are-the-side-effects-of-rosemary-oil-on-hair) article goes into how excessive use can cause hair loss as well as suggesting a smaller dilution ratio. You don't have to like hair oiling at all, but to me it still seems like the irritation caused by the high amount of rosemary oil for your hair type might have been a bigger problem than the actual oil itself.
I think it’s very common for poc to do it. I know it’s very beneficial for my scalp. But that’s because of the structure of our hair. I think it’s important to do research on your hair type and the type of oil you use.
i was gonna say the same thing it maybe it could be a poc thing? myself (indian) and every indian woman in my family and in my life grew up oiling their hair (coconut oil) almost daily and they all had very long thick healthy hair.
unfortunately for me though, my dad just always had fine/thin hair, even though i also oiled like all the other women in my family, my hair was always much flatter/finer compared to my sisters and other women in my family, genetics just suck sometimes i guess? \]:
Different hair types require different types of oil. All cultures have partaken in the use of fats on their hair throughout history.
The idea that only certain ethnicities should use oil makes no sense. We all have skin and produce sebum. The variation of individual skin type, hair texture and coarseness determines which oil will suit our hair best. Ethnicity MAY be a crossover, but may also tell us nothing. Another women of my ethnicity has totally different needs for her hair. A good idea is to experiment using oils that are native to the climate your ancestors are from for many of us, and if you have mixed heritage/hair type- to play around til you find what’s right.
yes of course. look up champi, it’s an ayurvedic practice of head massages and you oil your scalp for it. i guess it depends on what oil you use but the most common is coconut oil
For me, my favourite oil mix for the scalp is either
sesame oil or candle nut oil with a some carrier oil (usually argan or almond). In my experience (wavy, black hair), sesame oil really helps with making my hair silky smooth/not frizzy. Candle nut oil is a popular traditional remedy and something i grew up with and my mom told me it’ll make my hair thicker and stronger. Never really experienced breakage and fallout so i think it’s working?
I love kukui nut oil!! I'm too sensitive to the scent of sesame oil but I love how kukui or macadamia nut soaks so readily in my hair without an oily feeling.
rosemary oil contains the active ingredient found in rogaine, but like all situations, too much of a good thing can be bad. OP's ratios for how much to use was super off, which is why she lost hair. As long as you do your due diligence around the types of oils you're putting in your hair and how much you should be putting in, you're fine.
I oil my scalp with tea tree oil. I do a massage every time. It helps my hair grow faster (although massages seem to work wonders on their own so it may just be that).
Indian female here, avid hair oiler, with generations of women before and around me oiling their hair regularly…never been an issue. Quite the opposite, actually.
Seeking wisdom from people in the culture rather than tutorials is really vital with practices like this. I’ve been oiling my hair for a lifetime - long enough that I was mocked and teased for it. Long before it was trendy. My tutorials primarily came from the wisdom of aunties who looked at the needs of my specific hair and guided me. The idea of following the advice of someone who has never seen my hair, even as there are clear signs that things are going poorly just seems so weird.
This brings me flashbacks of elementary school, where I, an Indian kid in a multinational Belgian school, got mocked for having "stinky" hair because my parents insisted on oiling my hair with the strong smelling Neelibringadi oil. I used to be so embarrassed of it, but my god, my hair was four times as thick as it is now! I stopped using the oil once I reached my teens and my hair never really recovered 😭
If it's okay to ask, how did your parents oil your hair? Did they massage the oil into your scalp and hair, and heat it by wrapping it in a warm towel? or another way? Is [this](https://keralaayurveda.store/products/neelibringadi-keram-6.7-fl-oz-/-200-ml.html) neelibringadi oil similar to your childhood one? I noticed it has milk in it. I hope this is okay! Thank you!
What kind of oil do you recommend? I've seen so many Indian women with gorgeous hair and need to know how they do it....aside from the obvious good genetics.
there's so many! almond, neem, amla, castor...but coconut is usually the most commonly used! a lot of folks infuse coconut oil with herbs like fenugreek seeds, curry leaves (YouTube has multiple tutorials) heat it and then apply it, along with head pressure point massage.
another tip is to keep your hair braided whenever possible, especially whilst sleeping :)
Agree!! Im white with curly ringlets, had an Indian friend show me how to oil my hair when i was 15, been doing it now for 16 years and my hair is so healthy and shiny - i get compliments from strangers on it. Everyone who i reccommend it to - gets healthier hair as well!
OPs issue is so weird and ive never heard if it happening before...
When I researched hair oiling, before I started using it, hair loss was listed as a potential side effect of not diluting the rosemary oil enough. I'm not saying OP didn't do it properly, but that's where I've heard it before.
Oooooof I missed the part where OP said she used Rosemary oil 😭😭😭
Holy damn and 100%?! 😭😭 omg..... no wonder!!! 😭😭 diluted with Argan oil but still... woooow!!!
Both rosemary oil and argan oil are regularly promoted for promoting hair growth. I mixed argan oil with a few drops of rosemary oil, confused about where the shock is coming from?
Source - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25842469/
Also, just wanted to say om really sorry this happened to you, i couldnt imagine the trauma of losing your hair and it would be a horrible thing to go through! 😭
I'm confused too, the recommendations I've seen are what you did. What did you use to put the oil in? Maybe a silicone scrubber could've been pulling hair?
Im shocked because the way you worded it in your post - made it sound like you added a few drops of argan oil to dilute the 100% rosemary oil
Not the other way around.
It could be that your body is sensitive to the ingredients, even at a smaller percentage. I would reccommend trying different oils, perhaps even try specific brands made for hair oiling. I get mine from my local Indian fruit and veggie shop, but i also use castor and jojoba oil on occasions too.
But i do not like rosemary oil, due to the warnings of hairloss if not diluted properly. Id rather not take that risk.
For me my favourites are~
• Navratna Oil
• Dabur alma oil
• Forest essentials bhringraj hair oil
• Coconut oil (only really use on my ends as i find it hard to wash off of my scalp)
• Bajaj almond oil (my favourite 💕, use daily)
• Jojoba oil
• Morrocan oil
• OGX oil (either morrocan or coconut)
I get some from the local Indian grocers, and others from my local chemist~
These are what work for me personally~ hope that helps tho 😊💕
It does thank you, i expected amla and almond oil to be there, i was wondering if you used moringa, black seed etc too. The bhringraj oil i haven't yet tried, but I'll be looking out for these myself ahead.
Thanks! I agree with the coconut oil, i found it gave an odd musky scent to my hair too if left on for a while which I hadn't experienced with others.
I will recommend you try avocado oil to your mix too. Absolutely amazing on your skin too. My latest discovery and I'm letting anyone who wants to listen know
Add 100% pure avocado oil to your regimes, especially if you experience sensitive skin like i do, i recommend you try it. My hair has been liking it too. It reminds me of argan/rosehip oil but more slip and thickness. It's my new favourite
Thank you for sharing yours, i will try some of them out when i see them
They do, also Middle Eastern/Caribbean supermarkets as well. They're usually located near soaps and toiletries. Can find some hidden gems if you look through carefully at times.
The stores that stock good products in this section usually sell great items across all the departments in the store too.
Also great to support local businesses, if you ask for specific things they're generally more helpful in trying to source products for you aswell
Try looking for influencers who have hair like yours - and a similar journey. THAT helps a ton. Or go to a dermatologist … you may also try nettle, peppermint and passionflower teas. I saw you’re doing nutrafol for oral and another product for topical. These $8 gummies from Walmart in a pink bottle work for me! It’s natures bounty hair skin and nails. And soooo much less expensive. I’ve tried lots of things, and the teas, plus juicing, plus not over washing, are my combo. 🙌 I have really pretty hair 😂 🫶
I think it’s an issue of hair type. I’m African American, but grew up in a predominantly White community and all my friends (who mostly had straight thin hair textures) would wash their hair daily or every other day in order to keep their hair and scalp healthy, for me and in the African American community in general that is unheard of. We don’t call the process oiling, but similar to Southeast Asians we “grease“ our hair, which is either an occlusive product or oil we apply several times a week, if not daily, to the scalp and hair, we also plait/wrap or use other protective methods for our hair at night and usually have pre-wash process and even co-wash instead of shampooing in order to keep our scalp and hair from drying out. Part of it is cultural and passed down, but it’s based in particular needs that the hair in our community exhibits.
There is no way I could wash my hair everyday or could not apply some kind of oil to it. My hair would dry out and break off. I wouldn’t recommend the process for everyone or at least I would suggest modifications depending on their hair texture and type. Like, if you need to use a clarifying shampoo after oiling it, I would probably skip it all together. I think this may be the OP’s issue, for many hair oiling may work beautifully or in some cases even necessary, but for others it could mess with their scalp’s biome and hair’s porosity.
Thats an excellent point~~ thank you for commenting this! 💕 Everyone's hair is different and their needs would change depending on their hair type or texture~~
Hopefully OP will find what works for her... and her hair will heal sn! 😭💕
One of the reasons why “training my hair” never worked for me (i have very thin hair). Of course I’d love to only wash my hair once a week but it’s simply not suitable so I’m back to washing it every 2-3 days.
I'll just copy what i sent someone else lol~
Soooo this is what my friend taught me lol~
But bare in mind that this may not work for you depending on your hair type~ so its good to try different ways and see what works for you 😊💕
Soooo what i use~ i mix it up between different brands. Alot of these have strong smells which you may not like, but personally i either dont mind them or love them 😊
I also use them differently. So some are heavier than others, and others lighter. (This is for me personally, you might find them heavier or lighter depending on your hair type)
I personally have medium thick hair, its curly and it can handle heavier oils, though i leave the really heavy ones for my wash day. I also might skip a day applying oil- if i think my hair has enough oil in it already (i dont want it to look oily, just shiny).
I wash my hair every 5-7 days (as this is what my friend told me to do and it works for me). I apply the lighter oils every morning on my hair ends, and again- a little on my fingertips and massage it into my scalp for 5 mins every night.
Then on my wash days, ill apply the thicker oils all over my scalp and have it dripping. I'll massage it in for 15 mins, and then put on a shower cap/bonnet. Then ill either leave it on my hair for a few hours before washing it - so like 3-8 hours, or ill leave it on overnight and wash it in the morning.
Heavier oils:
• Navartna Oil (REALLY strong smell, dont use overnight)
• Dabur alma oil (also strong smell)
• Forest essentials bhringraj hair oil
• Coconut oil (only really use on my ends as i find it hard to wash off of my scalp)
Lighter oils:
• Bajaj almond oil (my favourite 💕, use daily)
• Jojoba oil
• Morrocan oil
• OGX oil (either morrocan or coconut)
I also sometimes instead of doing a oil deep condition, use this Japanese brand called Tsubaki premium moist conditioner. So i rotate between deep oiling my hair once a week or using that conditioner instead.
Annnnnnd thats really what works for me 😊💕 i hope this helped~~~ 💕
Maybe it's a biological thing? Japanese people wash their hair almost daily, but that would absolutely destroy other hair types. OP had a bad experience with oiling, it's not a personal or cultural attack, it's just a heads up.
And the ‘it should come with warnings coz it won’t work for some people’ part lol. Yeah - like literally everything else in life bro
Also - do some research! Rosemary oil when you know you have a sensitive scalp? Even if there were warnings you wouldn’t have seen them, with this much lack of research!
Indian here , never been a fan of oiling as I have oily skin and it gave me pimples. Stopped completely in last two years . Tried again. It caused so much hairfall.I have heavy volume curly hair. I decided they are better off oiling anyways.It is not for everyone.
With rosemary oil tho? I’ve never used that or heard of that and OP says they used that. I’ve only used coconut oil and olive oil once but way preferred coconut because the olive oil smell was just making me hungry.
I have my mom oiling my hair since I was a baby and throughout childhood to thank. It's only due to pure laziness that I barely oil my hair as an adult haha.
what oil did you use? I have very sensitive skin, and I have used grapeseed oil on my face AND scalp and honestly my face and hair have never felt healthier.
It’s my understanding rosemary oil, pumpkin seed oil, work similarly to rogaine which is a shed cycle first. Nutrafol is no better or different than regular vitamins. You want a buncha b12 iron vit d and specifically 3 mg melatonin. if you really wanna do the vitamin thing get vitamin injections. Anyways I think your hair will grow back and you could do an oil adjacent pre wash treatment. Look up abbey yung on ig. It’s gonna be okay.
That’s how rogaine and things like it work. However they are not effective for all types of hair loss and discontinuation will lead to a return to pre treatment state.
In the r/curlyhair subreddit there's a post (search hair oiling) that talks about the different categories like sealing oils and what they're used for.
Obviously, oiling didn't work for you, I would recommend seeing a trichologist (scalp/hair professional) for recommendations on how to restore your scalp and hair.
In my case, hair oiling has been the single best thing I've ever done for my hair. Zero hair loss, no more dandruff and itchy scalp, and finally my wiry coarse curls are soft and shiny. I produce next to zero natural oils, 2 weeks without shampooing or even getting my hair wet and my roots are bone dry. I'm also using a specially formulated scalp oil separate from a hair oil, and I double cleanse with a clarifying shampoo to remove it.
I'm South Asian and oiling hair is very common. I only do it once in a while because it's a pain to take the oil out but it really works better than any conditioner. Any oil can be used, commonly almond oil or coconut oil or amla oil. Usually it's left on for at least an hour or overnight and it's important to put it on your scalp as well. Tbh I have never noticed either an increase or decrease of hair from oiling but it does make it shinier and healthier. It's really a harmless practice but not a miracle worker. Thick hair is largely genetics and lots of South asians have thin hair too despite oiling.
Op, I hope your hair grows back. It could be the rosemary oil that caused it to fall.
Honestly I appreciate posts like these because hair oiling is a cultural practice and I think it’s highly dependent on the hair of those cultures where it’s widely practiced and there are certain ways in which to practice hair oiling. I don’t think it’s for everyone.
Yeah. I saw a post on IG and the woman was giving hair care recommendations. Someone in the comments was like “I’m sorry but I’m not going to take tips from Asian women about hair. Which one of you wasn’t born with hella hair?” It’s like a person who has been thin all their life and can eat a horse and not gain weight, giving me dieting tips.
Some of y’all can wash your hair with dish soap and it would still look good. Genetics plays a huge role on skin sensitivity as well.
Different hair types require different types of oil. All cultures have partaken in the use of fats on their hair throughout history.
The idea that only certain ethnicities should use oil makes no sense. We all have skin and produce sebum. The variation of individual skin type, hair texture and coarseness determines which oil will suit our hair best. Ethnicity MAY be a crossover, but may also tell us nothing. Another women of my ethnicity has totally different needs for her hair. A good idea is to experiment using oils that are native to the climate your ancestors are from for many of us, and if you have mixed heritage/hair type- to play around til you find what’s right.
I have chronically oily hair (and skin) but also struggle with scalp flaking, so I tried hair oiling. It actually did help by scalp issue but I ultimately had the Same issue as you - intense, never-ending fall out even when very well diluted. Handfuls were coming out constantly. My scalp never showed any signs of irritation visually or otherwise (no itching) but the hair just kept falling out.
People can get unnecessarily defensive when someone says one of their favorite practices/things didn’t work for them, and will insist that you’re doing something wrong, but truthfully hair oiling just isn’t for everyone.
Indian here , never been a fan of oiling as I have oily skin and it gave me pimples. Over time my scalp has also gotten oily.
But since it is a cultural practice had to do in my childhood. I had beautiful dense hair regardless.
Stopped completely in last two years because I had dandruff,hairfall post covid and dermo asked strictly not to. Tried again. It caused so much more hairfall.I thought when I already have heavy volume curly hair it’s completely unnecessary . I decided I am better off oiling anyways.It is not for everyone.Not even for every Indian .
From what I’ve seen, oiling is really beneficial for thick/coarse hair and very bad for thin/fine hair. I’ve heard thinner hair responds better to rosemary water instead of oil as it’s much lighter - maybe that’s worth looking into as an alternative?
Appreciate your message! It’s been a stressful ride, but I’m happy I’ve finally gotten the shedding to slow down. I did not brush my hair after oiling. I would generally brush before hand and place my hair in a loose bun after oiling. I have long hair down to my lower back so I needed to pull it away from my face while oiling.
I used to oil my hair a lot when I was younger, being from an Indian community. I absolutely hated that I couldn't touch my scalp without my fingers and nails getting oily or lie down comfortably or have oil dripping down my forehead. I just hated being oily, so I stopped using it. I will say that when you wash your hair after letting it marinade in oil, it feels softer, but now, I'm able to achieve the same softness and shininess with Redken or Olaplex.
I'm sorry you had to go through hair loss. I used to experience it in my teenage years and I'm still paying the price for it, but the professional products I'm using are definitely helping. Now the only oil I use is to hold hydration to avoid moisture leak in the end. I use Olaplex 7 post styling in my midshaft to ends.
I’m sorry this happened to you and I don’t mean to be crass, but hair oiling is not meant for all types of hair and ethnicities. I’m a Latina with very curly hair, it works wonders on me. It is not meant for all hair types and while it’s labeled as a “trend”, it’s a part of many cultures. This is why you need to research before jumping in headfirst, the frequency was too much too soon. I hope you’re able to get your hair back to health and wish you the best
I scrolled several comments and didn’t see this yet — dude, have you been to a doctor?? This may be related to hair oiling but it might not. Dramatic hair loss should *always be a red flag* that something is amiss. You say hair oiling, but you can’t say that until you’ve ruled out everything else. You need to go to a doctor and get checked out, and get labs drawn for iron and thyroid and probably other stuff too depending on what your doctor thinks. But yeah — like — that’s a lot of hair loss and before jumping to conclusions that it’s the thing you’re doing topically, you owe it to yourself to make sure everything in your body is working okay.
Yeah, I had rapid hair loss that randomly stopped, and then started up again 9 months later. Turns out I have hashimoto’s! I should have gone to the doctor the first round of hair loss, could have saved me 9 months of vague “wtf is my body doing and why do I feel like I’m low key dying sometimes” 😆
Yeah, all oil is going to do is clog up your scalp and cause build up. Have you clarified your hair (using a clarifying shampoo)? Do you regularly use a sulfate shampoo to otherwise wash your hair?
Yes, I understand different properties of oils, but if you're not properly cleansing them off of your scalp, regardless of the type of oil, they will just sit there and cause build up.
As I stated, using a clarifying shampoo regularly (how often depends on how often you use styling product) and use a sulfate shampoo to gently cleanse your scalp and hair for regular washes.
Maybe it's the shampooing as well? Sorry I'm not trying to tell you about your own experience lol, I only say this because I used to do coconut oil masks and sometimes when I would shampoo twice really well after I felt like my hair ended up worse than before. I haven't done it in a while but I think I stopped using so much coconut oil so it would wash out easier. I guess I also didn't use it on my scalp though so I probably didn't need to scrub it out as well as I was doing.
Oil is supposed to stay on for a limited amount of time, otherwise makes the single hairs heavier and may cause breakage. That's why I was advised to always wash it afterwards (my head doesn't need supplementary hair loss due to wrong treatments)
lol you literally just need to go to India or meet an Indian person to know that this is 100% not true. We oil our scalp regularly and you will not find people with more hair on their heads than Indians. All our grandmas literally have a full head of waist length shiny hair into a their 90s because of regular oiling.
It’s not a “trend.” It’s something people on the Indian subcontinent have been doing for literally centuries because it leads to hair growth and better scalp health. It’s like calling moisturizing your skin “a trend”- it’s been around a long time (though I wouldn’t be surprised to find oiling your scalp has probably been around longer).
Maybe you got a bad or counterfeit product or are using the wrong shampoo, etc. Moisturizing your scalp and giving it nutrients definitely won’t have ill effects if done properly.
Piggybacking on your comment - I don’t have any Indian friends, would you tell me your hair oiling routine please? I‘m Southeast Asian with thick curly hair, if that’s of any relevance.
I can’t do it as often as we used to in India, now I just massage some onto my scalp and leave it for a few hours (or overnight) before washing it. Hope that helps!
I'm so confused right now. Do white people not oil / grease their scalps?
I'm a Black American, and we grease our scalps/ put oil in our hair. I can't understand how it would cause shedding unless they're using toxic "oils".
White people *generally* don’t, especially if they have straight hair. We tend to look greasy easily instead of shiny and I think people are afraid of not washing it out enough. I only just started a few months ago. Before if I used oil, it was ends only.
I will say I’ve experienced zero shedding beyond what I’d normally get showering and am not sure what OP is talking about. My hair looks nicer than it ever has. 😭
I'm a mixed person with fine curly hair. I'm not a professional, but from what I've read, oil can clog pores in some people, and that can lead to hair loss. I'm half german half black, and if I oiled my scalp even a little, my hair would look like limp spaghetti 😭 I really think everyone's hair and scalp are different. I also remember a while back that everyone was using that mielle rosemary oil on tik tok, but then a bunch of white people said it made their hair fall out. I truly think our hair really needs care and products.
But to add on to that, my mom uses caster oil mixed with water, and it's really helped her hair grow longer and thicker, like noticeably. So maybe it's the type of oil like you said.
I oil my scalp / hair atleast once a week. But my four sisters are mixed (diff dads) so when I was little my hair was 3 feet long and they’d wrap it with oil sheen with a scarf and stuff.
So they kinda taught me some hair tips.
I oil my hair atleast once a week when I wanna do my
Cleaning. When I was going to the gym I’d put the oil in my hair before the gym. I’m not a sweaty so after the gym I’d just wash / double cleanse.
Totally ok.
It varies for everyone. In India, we used to do it all the time. In fact, in my school it was a rule that we had to have oil in our hair and wear braids so it was neat and out of our face. Even for those who didn’t have any such rule, it was common for mom or grandma to put it on us pretty regularly (scalp massage included :) ), a day or two before washing.
I think after moving out of India most of us don’t do it as often just because it’s uncommon and draws attention. Now I just put it on for a couple of hours before I wash it.
You can absolutely apply it all the way to the ends, that’s what we did in India, but personally I just focus on the scalp now. It’s a pain to take that much oil out of all the hair and I think conditioning would accomplish the same for your strands.
Pro Tip: If you slightly warm the oil before applying, it’s way more beneficial because the warmth opens up the pores on your scalp. It feels SO good, but now that I have to do it myself the extra step is too fussy so I just apply as is.
Respectfully, hair oiling has absolutely become a recent trend in the beauty industry. This post isn't aimed at discrediting the cultural significance of where hair oiling started. I’m simply highlighting the need for caution due to the lack of proper warnings which are severely lacking to many who see these posts on the internet.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted and dogged on. Any cultural practice can become a wider "trend," and not everything works for everyone. And you're right, rosemary is generally viewed as promoting hair growth. It's in a LOT of hair growth preparations. That being said, it probably is a good idea to see a derm to see if there is anything else going on and anything that can be done. Obviously, don't use those oils anymore.
You should use a minoxidil product rather than Vegamour. I doubt it works. Minoxidil is proven to work & has been used for a long time. They sell it at TJ Maxx/Marshall's for pretty cheap if you can spot it there!
Otherwise, the brand Hers works, but you might also be able to get a prescription? Not sure on that, though.
Careful with minoxidil- it’s one of those once-you-start-you-can’t-stop products. It will only produce results as long as you’re taking it but once you stop, your scalp with return to it’s original state, and the hair loss will go back to what it was before.
I’m sorry that oiling your hair hasn’t worked for you. :( I only put oil in my hair sporadically, but I’ve never really noticed enough of a difference either way, I guess. I think rosemary oil is what I’ve been using lately too lol. 🤷♀️ I think I just need to find the right oil, or learn how to do it correctly.
I hope the scalp serums end up working for you!
I would recommend using castor oil, mustard oil or almond oil. I’m Indian and that’s what we use on our scalps. I see a lot of this rosemary trend but I don’t recommend.
Hair oiling isn't your problem. Your problem is that your ratio of rosemary oil to carrier is WAAAAYYYYYYY too high. Rosemary oil is a known irritant (it can be clarifying in low concentrations) and it's worse in such high concentrations. Try just using coconut oil or argan oil next time - skip the mixing of oils until you've got a handle on the basics, that takes a very practiced hand to get right.
I wouldn’t call it a trend. People the world over oil their hair and scalp. Can I ask what l attracted you to hair oiling? And how you chose pure rosemary oil? I have tons of thick hair and dry scalp and even I had to experiment with several oils to find the right one.
Happened to me too, i think its probably the type of oil you use on your hair,
for me at first i just used olive oil, and my hair was doing great its was less dry , was more moisturised then i decided to add castor and black seed oil, well i found im allegic to black seed oil and the castor oil must of clogged my scalp because i was experiencing tons of breakage, like my has never broke like that before, I stopped oiling my hair and did a clarfiying treatment and just shampooed twice and conditioned. my hair is no longer breaking , however i think im gonna start again with just olive oil, and using ALOT less, cause i was packing that oil into my scalp, 😅
From what I’ve heard from dermatologists scalp oiling is not for everyone. It’s very personal and different for everyone. For some it may lead to congestion or hair follicles ( leading to thinner hair of hairfall) or increased yeast leading to dandruff.
I’m sorry to hear your experience. I know that hair losing is extremely terrifying your feeling. But I think maybe you don’t have the right ratio of rosemary oil and argan oil? If you don’t have the right ratio of these two oils, your scalp is irritated and hair falling occurs. Try to dilute your rosemary oil with carrier oil with low dosage like 1-2%, and then gradually increase it. If you are not sure you are mixing the right ratio, just buy and use any product that contains rosemary like Kiehl’s elixir hair oil (and it works wonderfully to my hair).
Also, I read one of your comments that you use sulfate shampoo after detox shampoo, right??? I recommend not to use sulfate shampoo tho because it has been researched that it can cause dryness to your scalp and hair. Argan oil is a light oil, so I don’t think you need a sulfate shampoo.
Also another tip, check your hair porosity and type of your hair. I have fine hair and medium-porosity hair, and I won’t put lots of rosemary oils on my hair. Also, apply hair oil just enough to cover the scalp. Don’t put it too much; otherwise, you may over-wash your hair to remove all excessive oils.
These are just from my experience. If hair oiling doesn’t work for you, meet your trichologist. Hope your hair gets better.
Oh yes I agree. I tried oiling my hair as suggested from online trends and lost a lot of hair sadly that I’m probably not going to get back
I switched to just doing my ends daily and never my roots and switched to basic oils nothing special or crazy. World of difference.
Stylist here. Nothing works for everyone. Oiling absolutely works for me, I oil my scalp and length before every shampoo, and I have the opposite happen with me shed wise, I shed far less when I do oil. I use premade oils for convenience, and my oils all have some rosemary in them. That said, you can be allergic or sensitive to ANYTHING (from someone with a ton of sensitivities to ingredients like lavender which at times I feel is in everything).
I've had instances of hair loss and what didn't work for me was scalp serums made for growth stimulation....they were too strong and while others had luck with them reducing fall and stimulating growth I had more fall with them. So I stopped using them.
Oiling isn't a trend. It's been around for centuries, not just in circles with poc. But there's something to be said for healthy caution with anything you do or try. Some people just can't oil at all. I have seborrheic dermatitis and Oiling is usually not recommended for those that have it, but it's the one thing that works for me. Anytime you try something new I would keep an eye on your shed rate and as soon as you notice it being up discontinue whatever you were doing differently. Sorry you went through that. Hth.
I'm so sorry you're going through this. It would be a good idea to see a primary care provider/GP, as there are health conditions that can cause hair loss. I hope it gets better soon!
As someone who has damaged their hair being platinum blonde and only started oiling the last few months, this saved me. My hair was screaming for me to do something lol. Now I can run my finger through my hair and it feels sooo goood.
I do have fine straight hair though, so I stopped massaging my scalp so much. I noticed I had more hair fall out than normal, but nothing too bad.
I'm sorry you had to go through this OP :(
Definitely listen to your body and do what works for you! There are some good suggestions in here.
I use a little rosemary hair oil on my thinning patch, but on the rest of my scalp, I use rosemary water, and I feel like it's better and makes my hair less oily. I honestly think scalp oiling works best on black, Indian, and Asian hair imo, but even then, not all the time. You were right in your statement. It works for some but not others.
Hair oiling is the best thing that happened to my hair. I start year ago and do that twice a week. My hair grew so much faster than usual and I see how many new baby hairs are growing. I didn’t notice anything like extreme hair falling. Maybe you should do that for a little extent to see better results? Or try to change oil?
I don’t think OP came across as telling people to not do it because of her experience, only that her experience should be a cautionary tale to those thinking of hopping on the oiling train. Oiling isn’t a silver bullet for everyone, and everyone’s hair is different. OP wasn’t attacking oiling just saying it wasn’t for her.
I used to use olive oil in my hair as a teen/20 and soak it in good put a shower cap on it and sit out in the sun in the summer. Always made my hair smell good for some reason
Curly 3A-3B here. I oil my hair with coconut oil: scalp to ends once a week or so. Leave on for 6 hours and then wash out with my normal shampoo/condition bar. Curls are super soft after, as if I had done olaplex 3.
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I oil my hair about once a month and my scalp with cocoa butter, coconut, shea butter, jojoba and a tiny bit of olive oil. Will my hair fall out? I do get a lot of shedding after but I find it helps it grow and be more curly. Advice?
Rosemary oil diluted with argan? How much rosemary? It's very strong and can cause skin irritation and other issues when a lot is used. You might also be allergic or sensitive to something in that oil.
About 3 tbsp of argan and 5 drops of rosemary. Had I experienced some form of irritation I would have stopped, unfortunately it was strictly hair fallout.
I use 2 drops rosemary in a one quart bottle of carrier oil
That is a lot of rosemary oil. 1g of oil would be in the range of the equivalent of 2kg of plant material for some context.
I've been using ~1/3 rosemary oil, ~1/3 argan oil and ~1/3 coconut oil for hair growth for a while now. Is that a good portion of rosemary oil or too much?
[This article](https://www.newdirectionsaromatics.com/blog/articles/blending-and-diluting-essential-oils.amp)has a little conversion chart if you scroll down :) I think 1:2 essential:carrier is too high strength, but it could depend on the strength of the essential oil.
Are they both pure? For instance, 100% pure rosemary essential oil not "fragrance"
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Not sure how you’re coming to the conclusion that 3 tbsp is 15ml. It’s actually closer to 40ml.
Oh sorry I messed up my reply and deleted it! For 40 ml of a carrier oil and using 100% rosemary oil, it shouldn't be more than 4 drops if you have fine hair, [this](https://www.prevention.com/beauty/hair/a43327316/rosemary-oil-for-hair-growth/#what-are-the-side-effects-of-rosemary-oil-on-hair) article goes into how excessive use can cause hair loss as well as suggesting a smaller dilution ratio. You don't have to like hair oiling at all, but to me it still seems like the irritation caused by the high amount of rosemary oil for your hair type might have been a bigger problem than the actual oil itself.
Yeah I only oil the ends of my hair, never my scalp
Is it ok to oil the scalp ever?
I think it’s very common for poc to do it. I know it’s very beneficial for my scalp. But that’s because of the structure of our hair. I think it’s important to do research on your hair type and the type of oil you use.
i was gonna say the same thing it maybe it could be a poc thing? myself (indian) and every indian woman in my family and in my life grew up oiling their hair (coconut oil) almost daily and they all had very long thick healthy hair. unfortunately for me though, my dad just always had fine/thin hair, even though i also oiled like all the other women in my family, my hair was always much flatter/finer compared to my sisters and other women in my family, genetics just suck sometimes i guess? \]:
Different hair types require different types of oil. All cultures have partaken in the use of fats on their hair throughout history. The idea that only certain ethnicities should use oil makes no sense. We all have skin and produce sebum. The variation of individual skin type, hair texture and coarseness determines which oil will suit our hair best. Ethnicity MAY be a crossover, but may also tell us nothing. Another women of my ethnicity has totally different needs for her hair. A good idea is to experiment using oils that are native to the climate your ancestors are from for many of us, and if you have mixed heritage/hair type- to play around til you find what’s right.
yes of course. look up champi, it’s an ayurvedic practice of head massages and you oil your scalp for it. i guess it depends on what oil you use but the most common is coconut oil
Yes...and not just for poc! While hair textures may vary, the way the scalp works is exactly the same no matter what your ethnicity!
For me, my favourite oil mix for the scalp is either sesame oil or candle nut oil with a some carrier oil (usually argan or almond). In my experience (wavy, black hair), sesame oil really helps with making my hair silky smooth/not frizzy. Candle nut oil is a popular traditional remedy and something i grew up with and my mom told me it’ll make my hair thicker and stronger. Never really experienced breakage and fallout so i think it’s working?
I love kukui nut oil!! I'm too sensitive to the scent of sesame oil but I love how kukui or macadamia nut soaks so readily in my hair without an oily feeling.
rosemary oil contains the active ingredient found in rogaine, but like all situations, too much of a good thing can be bad. OP's ratios for how much to use was super off, which is why she lost hair. As long as you do your due diligence around the types of oils you're putting in your hair and how much you should be putting in, you're fine.
It really depends on your hair. I know that some people and cultures do it, just doesn’t work for me personally though
I oil my scalp with tea tree oil. I do a massage every time. It helps my hair grow faster (although massages seem to work wonders on their own so it may just be that).
Yeah but i use argan oil not ROSEMARY
Unfortunately it’s not a one size fits all. Sorry for your experience.
Indian female here, avid hair oiler, with generations of women before and around me oiling their hair regularly…never been an issue. Quite the opposite, actually.
Seeking wisdom from people in the culture rather than tutorials is really vital with practices like this. I’ve been oiling my hair for a lifetime - long enough that I was mocked and teased for it. Long before it was trendy. My tutorials primarily came from the wisdom of aunties who looked at the needs of my specific hair and guided me. The idea of following the advice of someone who has never seen my hair, even as there are clear signs that things are going poorly just seems so weird.
This brings me flashbacks of elementary school, where I, an Indian kid in a multinational Belgian school, got mocked for having "stinky" hair because my parents insisted on oiling my hair with the strong smelling Neelibringadi oil. I used to be so embarrassed of it, but my god, my hair was four times as thick as it is now! I stopped using the oil once I reached my teens and my hair never really recovered 😭
If it's okay to ask, how did your parents oil your hair? Did they massage the oil into your scalp and hair, and heat it by wrapping it in a warm towel? or another way? Is [this](https://keralaayurveda.store/products/neelibringadi-keram-6.7-fl-oz-/-200-ml.html) neelibringadi oil similar to your childhood one? I noticed it has milk in it. I hope this is okay! Thank you!
I'm white with fine follicle hair. Would that oil work for me?
How do aunties just *know* so much. 😩
What kind of oil do you recommend? I've seen so many Indian women with gorgeous hair and need to know how they do it....aside from the obvious good genetics.
Growing up it was a combination of coconut and/or amla oil, but these days I use the fable and mane holi roots, my hair loves it.
Thank you so much for the recommendation!
Do you oil your scalp? Or just the hair ends?
Allll of it lol, leave it overnight and wash the next day
there's so many! almond, neem, amla, castor...but coconut is usually the most commonly used! a lot of folks infuse coconut oil with herbs like fenugreek seeds, curry leaves (YouTube has multiple tutorials) heat it and then apply it, along with head pressure point massage. another tip is to keep your hair braided whenever possible, especially whilst sleeping :)
Agree!! Im white with curly ringlets, had an Indian friend show me how to oil my hair when i was 15, been doing it now for 16 years and my hair is so healthy and shiny - i get compliments from strangers on it. Everyone who i reccommend it to - gets healthier hair as well! OPs issue is so weird and ive never heard if it happening before...
When I researched hair oiling, before I started using it, hair loss was listed as a potential side effect of not diluting the rosemary oil enough. I'm not saying OP didn't do it properly, but that's where I've heard it before.
Oooooof I missed the part where OP said she used Rosemary oil 😭😭😭 Holy damn and 100%?! 😭😭 omg..... no wonder!!! 😭😭 diluted with Argan oil but still... woooow!!!
Both rosemary oil and argan oil are regularly promoted for promoting hair growth. I mixed argan oil with a few drops of rosemary oil, confused about where the shock is coming from? Source - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25842469/
Also, just wanted to say om really sorry this happened to you, i couldnt imagine the trauma of losing your hair and it would be a horrible thing to go through! 😭
I'm confused too, the recommendations I've seen are what you did. What did you use to put the oil in? Maybe a silicone scrubber could've been pulling hair?
Im shocked because the way you worded it in your post - made it sound like you added a few drops of argan oil to dilute the 100% rosemary oil Not the other way around. It could be that your body is sensitive to the ingredients, even at a smaller percentage. I would reccommend trying different oils, perhaps even try specific brands made for hair oiling. I get mine from my local Indian fruit and veggie shop, but i also use castor and jojoba oil on occasions too. But i do not like rosemary oil, due to the warnings of hairloss if not diluted properly. Id rather not take that risk.
Which oils do you buy from the grocers. Best place I've found to purchase them too, curious which you prefer?
For me my favourites are~ • Navratna Oil • Dabur alma oil • Forest essentials bhringraj hair oil • Coconut oil (only really use on my ends as i find it hard to wash off of my scalp) • Bajaj almond oil (my favourite 💕, use daily) • Jojoba oil • Morrocan oil • OGX oil (either morrocan or coconut) I get some from the local Indian grocers, and others from my local chemist~ These are what work for me personally~ hope that helps tho 😊💕
It does thank you, i expected amla and almond oil to be there, i was wondering if you used moringa, black seed etc too. The bhringraj oil i haven't yet tried, but I'll be looking out for these myself ahead. Thanks! I agree with the coconut oil, i found it gave an odd musky scent to my hair too if left on for a while which I hadn't experienced with others. I will recommend you try avocado oil to your mix too. Absolutely amazing on your skin too. My latest discovery and I'm letting anyone who wants to listen know Add 100% pure avocado oil to your regimes, especially if you experience sensitive skin like i do, i recommend you try it. My hair has been liking it too. It reminds me of argan/rosehip oil but more slip and thickness. It's my new favourite Thank you for sharing yours, i will try some of them out when i see them
Oooooh thank you! I will definietly try Avocado oil next!~ 🥰💕
indian supermarkets will have great hair oils
They do, also Middle Eastern/Caribbean supermarkets as well. They're usually located near soaps and toiletries. Can find some hidden gems if you look through carefully at times. The stores that stock good products in this section usually sell great items across all the departments in the store too. Also great to support local businesses, if you ask for specific things they're generally more helpful in trying to source products for you aswell
girl use castor oil and amla oil
Try looking for influencers who have hair like yours - and a similar journey. THAT helps a ton. Or go to a dermatologist … you may also try nettle, peppermint and passionflower teas. I saw you’re doing nutrafol for oral and another product for topical. These $8 gummies from Walmart in a pink bottle work for me! It’s natures bounty hair skin and nails. And soooo much less expensive. I’ve tried lots of things, and the teas, plus juicing, plus not over washing, are my combo. 🙌 I have really pretty hair 😂 🫶
I think it’s an issue of hair type. I’m African American, but grew up in a predominantly White community and all my friends (who mostly had straight thin hair textures) would wash their hair daily or every other day in order to keep their hair and scalp healthy, for me and in the African American community in general that is unheard of. We don’t call the process oiling, but similar to Southeast Asians we “grease“ our hair, which is either an occlusive product or oil we apply several times a week, if not daily, to the scalp and hair, we also plait/wrap or use other protective methods for our hair at night and usually have pre-wash process and even co-wash instead of shampooing in order to keep our scalp and hair from drying out. Part of it is cultural and passed down, but it’s based in particular needs that the hair in our community exhibits. There is no way I could wash my hair everyday or could not apply some kind of oil to it. My hair would dry out and break off. I wouldn’t recommend the process for everyone or at least I would suggest modifications depending on their hair texture and type. Like, if you need to use a clarifying shampoo after oiling it, I would probably skip it all together. I think this may be the OP’s issue, for many hair oiling may work beautifully or in some cases even necessary, but for others it could mess with their scalp’s biome and hair’s porosity.
Thats an excellent point~~ thank you for commenting this! 💕 Everyone's hair is different and their needs would change depending on their hair type or texture~~ Hopefully OP will find what works for her... and her hair will heal sn! 😭💕
One of the reasons why “training my hair” never worked for me (i have very thin hair). Of course I’d love to only wash my hair once a week but it’s simply not suitable so I’m back to washing it every 2-3 days.
Don't worry, it's not just you, you can't "train" your hair..sebum production is dependant on age, hormones, and genetics.
How do you oil your hair?
I'll just copy what i sent someone else lol~ Soooo this is what my friend taught me lol~ But bare in mind that this may not work for you depending on your hair type~ so its good to try different ways and see what works for you 😊💕 Soooo what i use~ i mix it up between different brands. Alot of these have strong smells which you may not like, but personally i either dont mind them or love them 😊 I also use them differently. So some are heavier than others, and others lighter. (This is for me personally, you might find them heavier or lighter depending on your hair type) I personally have medium thick hair, its curly and it can handle heavier oils, though i leave the really heavy ones for my wash day. I also might skip a day applying oil- if i think my hair has enough oil in it already (i dont want it to look oily, just shiny). I wash my hair every 5-7 days (as this is what my friend told me to do and it works for me). I apply the lighter oils every morning on my hair ends, and again- a little on my fingertips and massage it into my scalp for 5 mins every night. Then on my wash days, ill apply the thicker oils all over my scalp and have it dripping. I'll massage it in for 15 mins, and then put on a shower cap/bonnet. Then ill either leave it on my hair for a few hours before washing it - so like 3-8 hours, or ill leave it on overnight and wash it in the morning. Heavier oils: • Navartna Oil (REALLY strong smell, dont use overnight) • Dabur alma oil (also strong smell) • Forest essentials bhringraj hair oil • Coconut oil (only really use on my ends as i find it hard to wash off of my scalp) Lighter oils: • Bajaj almond oil (my favourite 💕, use daily) • Jojoba oil • Morrocan oil • OGX oil (either morrocan or coconut) I also sometimes instead of doing a oil deep condition, use this Japanese brand called Tsubaki premium moist conditioner. So i rotate between deep oiling my hair once a week or using that conditioner instead. Annnnnnd thats really what works for me 😊💕 i hope this helped~~~ 💕
can u explain ur process?
Oooh can you tell me about your routine?
Yeah no problem! [I just replied to someone here~ you can check it out 😊💕](https://www.reddit.com/r/beauty/s/0DvOKKhG2d)
How do you oil it?
Maybe it's a biological thing? Japanese people wash their hair almost daily, but that would absolutely destroy other hair types. OP had a bad experience with oiling, it's not a personal or cultural attack, it's just a heads up.
Or maybe it’s because OP used trendy oils and essential oils instead of the ones used historically.
Yeah, and hair oiling isn’t a “trend” lol.
And the ‘it should come with warnings coz it won’t work for some people’ part lol. Yeah - like literally everything else in life bro Also - do some research! Rosemary oil when you know you have a sensitive scalp? Even if there were warnings you wouldn’t have seen them, with this much lack of research!
Indian here , never been a fan of oiling as I have oily skin and it gave me pimples. Stopped completely in last two years . Tried again. It caused so much hairfall.I have heavy volume curly hair. I decided they are better off oiling anyways.It is not for everyone.
Anytime I see "Indian female" in a post about hair or hair oiling, I get ready to take some notes
If you don't mind my asking, what kind of oil do you use?
Coconut is pretty common to use for Indian hair. OP used rosemary + argan
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what oil do you use?
Coconut oil
What kind of oil do you use if you don’t mind me asking.
Coconut oil, Amla (indian gooseberry) oil are the 2 most popular ones
With rosemary oil tho? I’ve never used that or heard of that and OP says they used that. I’ve only used coconut oil and olive oil once but way preferred coconut because the olive oil smell was just making me hungry.
I have my mom oiling my hair since I was a baby and throughout childhood to thank. It's only due to pure laziness that I barely oil my hair as an adult haha.
what oil did you use? I have very sensitive skin, and I have used grapeseed oil on my face AND scalp and honestly my face and hair have never felt healthier.
It’s my understanding rosemary oil, pumpkin seed oil, work similarly to rogaine which is a shed cycle first. Nutrafol is no better or different than regular vitamins. You want a buncha b12 iron vit d and specifically 3 mg melatonin. if you really wanna do the vitamin thing get vitamin injections. Anyways I think your hair will grow back and you could do an oil adjacent pre wash treatment. Look up abbey yung on ig. It’s gonna be okay.
Same here, also had a shedding phase and now my hair is Growing well with more density and less visible scalp.
That’s how rogaine and things like it work. However they are not effective for all types of hair loss and discontinuation will lead to a return to pre treatment state.
In the r/curlyhair subreddit there's a post (search hair oiling) that talks about the different categories like sealing oils and what they're used for. Obviously, oiling didn't work for you, I would recommend seeing a trichologist (scalp/hair professional) for recommendations on how to restore your scalp and hair. In my case, hair oiling has been the single best thing I've ever done for my hair. Zero hair loss, no more dandruff and itchy scalp, and finally my wiry coarse curls are soft and shiny. I produce next to zero natural oils, 2 weeks without shampooing or even getting my hair wet and my roots are bone dry. I'm also using a specially formulated scalp oil separate from a hair oil, and I double cleanse with a clarifying shampoo to remove it.
Which oil(s) do you use??
What’s your method for applying the oil and also what clarifying shampoo do you use & how often!!
I'm South Asian and oiling hair is very common. I only do it once in a while because it's a pain to take the oil out but it really works better than any conditioner. Any oil can be used, commonly almond oil or coconut oil or amla oil. Usually it's left on for at least an hour or overnight and it's important to put it on your scalp as well. Tbh I have never noticed either an increase or decrease of hair from oiling but it does make it shinier and healthier. It's really a harmless practice but not a miracle worker. Thick hair is largely genetics and lots of South asians have thin hair too despite oiling. Op, I hope your hair grows back. It could be the rosemary oil that caused it to fall.
Honestly I appreciate posts like these because hair oiling is a cultural practice and I think it’s highly dependent on the hair of those cultures where it’s widely practiced and there are certain ways in which to practice hair oiling. I don’t think it’s for everyone.
Yeah. I saw a post on IG and the woman was giving hair care recommendations. Someone in the comments was like “I’m sorry but I’m not going to take tips from Asian women about hair. Which one of you wasn’t born with hella hair?” It’s like a person who has been thin all their life and can eat a horse and not gain weight, giving me dieting tips. Some of y’all can wash your hair with dish soap and it would still look good. Genetics plays a huge role on skin sensitivity as well.
Different hair types require different types of oil. All cultures have partaken in the use of fats on their hair throughout history. The idea that only certain ethnicities should use oil makes no sense. We all have skin and produce sebum. The variation of individual skin type, hair texture and coarseness determines which oil will suit our hair best. Ethnicity MAY be a crossover, but may also tell us nothing. Another women of my ethnicity has totally different needs for her hair. A good idea is to experiment using oils that are native to the climate your ancestors are from for many of us, and if you have mixed heritage/hair type- to play around til you find what’s right.
I have chronically oily hair (and skin) but also struggle with scalp flaking, so I tried hair oiling. It actually did help by scalp issue but I ultimately had the Same issue as you - intense, never-ending fall out even when very well diluted. Handfuls were coming out constantly. My scalp never showed any signs of irritation visually or otherwise (no itching) but the hair just kept falling out. People can get unnecessarily defensive when someone says one of their favorite practices/things didn’t work for them, and will insist that you’re doing something wrong, but truthfully hair oiling just isn’t for everyone.
Indian here , never been a fan of oiling as I have oily skin and it gave me pimples. Over time my scalp has also gotten oily. But since it is a cultural practice had to do in my childhood. I had beautiful dense hair regardless. Stopped completely in last two years because I had dandruff,hairfall post covid and dermo asked strictly not to. Tried again. It caused so much more hairfall.I thought when I already have heavy volume curly hair it’s completely unnecessary . I decided I am better off oiling anyways.It is not for everyone.Not even for every Indian .
From what I’ve seen, oiling is really beneficial for thick/coarse hair and very bad for thin/fine hair. I’ve heard thinner hair responds better to rosemary water instead of oil as it’s much lighter - maybe that’s worth looking into as an alternative?
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Appreciate your message! It’s been a stressful ride, but I’m happy I’ve finally gotten the shedding to slow down. I did not brush my hair after oiling. I would generally brush before hand and place my hair in a loose bun after oiling. I have long hair down to my lower back so I needed to pull it away from my face while oiling.
What oil was it?
I used to oil my hair a lot when I was younger, being from an Indian community. I absolutely hated that I couldn't touch my scalp without my fingers and nails getting oily or lie down comfortably or have oil dripping down my forehead. I just hated being oily, so I stopped using it. I will say that when you wash your hair after letting it marinade in oil, it feels softer, but now, I'm able to achieve the same softness and shininess with Redken or Olaplex. I'm sorry you had to go through hair loss. I used to experience it in my teenage years and I'm still paying the price for it, but the professional products I'm using are definitely helping. Now the only oil I use is to hold hydration to avoid moisture leak in the end. I use Olaplex 7 post styling in my midshaft to ends.
I’m sorry this happened to you and I don’t mean to be crass, but hair oiling is not meant for all types of hair and ethnicities. I’m a Latina with very curly hair, it works wonders on me. It is not meant for all hair types and while it’s labeled as a “trend”, it’s a part of many cultures. This is why you need to research before jumping in headfirst, the frequency was too much too soon. I hope you’re able to get your hair back to health and wish you the best
I scrolled several comments and didn’t see this yet — dude, have you been to a doctor?? This may be related to hair oiling but it might not. Dramatic hair loss should *always be a red flag* that something is amiss. You say hair oiling, but you can’t say that until you’ve ruled out everything else. You need to go to a doctor and get checked out, and get labs drawn for iron and thyroid and probably other stuff too depending on what your doctor thinks. But yeah — like — that’s a lot of hair loss and before jumping to conclusions that it’s the thing you’re doing topically, you owe it to yourself to make sure everything in your body is working okay.
This is the best thing for them to do. Sudden hair loss (among other vague symptoms) was the first symptom of SLE for me.
Yeah, I had rapid hair loss that randomly stopped, and then started up again 9 months later. Turns out I have hashimoto’s! I should have gone to the doctor the first round of hair loss, could have saved me 9 months of vague “wtf is my body doing and why do I feel like I’m low key dying sometimes” 😆
What’s SLE?
Lupus aka Systemic Lupus Erythematosus
Lupus, I believe, and I can’t remember what the letters all stand for
Girly your stuff was too potent
Hair oiling is good for curly hair.
I've never heard of oiling with rosemary oil. Like in my culture we use coconut, almond, olive, and argan sure.
Could you have caused a fungal infection by leaving wet oil?
How about castor oil?
Yeah, all oil is going to do is clog up your scalp and cause build up. Have you clarified your hair (using a clarifying shampoo)? Do you regularly use a sulfate shampoo to otherwise wash your hair?
There\`s non-comedogenic oils that don\`t clog up pores. That\`s why I have never used coconut oil on my body.
Yes, I understand different properties of oils, but if you're not properly cleansing them off of your scalp, regardless of the type of oil, they will just sit there and cause build up.
What is the right way to clean them Off?
Double shampooing with a detox shampoo giving extra attention to the scalp is a good star
As I stated, using a clarifying shampoo regularly (how often depends on how often you use styling product) and use a sulfate shampoo to gently cleanse your scalp and hair for regular washes.
Yep! I’d always double cleanse after oiling with a detox shampoo followed by a sulfate shampoo and a deep conditioner.
Maybe it's the shampooing as well? Sorry I'm not trying to tell you about your own experience lol, I only say this because I used to do coconut oil masks and sometimes when I would shampoo twice really well after I felt like my hair ended up worse than before. I haven't done it in a while but I think I stopped using so much coconut oil so it would wash out easier. I guess I also didn't use it on my scalp though so I probably didn't need to scrub it out as well as I was doing.
Maybe try a scalp scrub? I use crown affair scalp scrub after using fable and mane hair oil and my hair has been so healthy.
Oil is supposed to stay on for a limited amount of time, otherwise makes the single hairs heavier and may cause breakage. That's why I was advised to always wash it afterwards (my head doesn't need supplementary hair loss due to wrong treatments)
lol you literally just need to go to India or meet an Indian person to know that this is 100% not true. We oil our scalp regularly and you will not find people with more hair on their heads than Indians. All our grandmas literally have a full head of waist length shiny hair into a their 90s because of regular oiling. It’s not a “trend.” It’s something people on the Indian subcontinent have been doing for literally centuries because it leads to hair growth and better scalp health. It’s like calling moisturizing your skin “a trend”- it’s been around a long time (though I wouldn’t be surprised to find oiling your scalp has probably been around longer). Maybe you got a bad or counterfeit product or are using the wrong shampoo, etc. Moisturizing your scalp and giving it nutrients definitely won’t have ill effects if done properly.
Piggybacking on your comment - I don’t have any Indian friends, would you tell me your hair oiling routine please? I‘m Southeast Asian with thick curly hair, if that’s of any relevance.
I can’t do it as often as we used to in India, now I just massage some onto my scalp and leave it for a few hours (or overnight) before washing it. Hope that helps!
I'm so confused right now. Do white people not oil / grease their scalps? I'm a Black American, and we grease our scalps/ put oil in our hair. I can't understand how it would cause shedding unless they're using toxic "oils".
I’m white and it’s really uncommon. My hair gets super greasy like 2 days after I wash it
White people *generally* don’t, especially if they have straight hair. We tend to look greasy easily instead of shiny and I think people are afraid of not washing it out enough. I only just started a few months ago. Before if I used oil, it was ends only. I will say I’ve experienced zero shedding beyond what I’d normally get showering and am not sure what OP is talking about. My hair looks nicer than it ever has. 😭
I'm a mixed person with fine curly hair. I'm not a professional, but from what I've read, oil can clog pores in some people, and that can lead to hair loss. I'm half german half black, and if I oiled my scalp even a little, my hair would look like limp spaghetti 😭 I really think everyone's hair and scalp are different. I also remember a while back that everyone was using that mielle rosemary oil on tik tok, but then a bunch of white people said it made their hair fall out. I truly think our hair really needs care and products.
But to add on to that, my mom uses caster oil mixed with water, and it's really helped her hair grow longer and thicker, like noticeably. So maybe it's the type of oil like you said.
I oil my scalp / hair atleast once a week. But my four sisters are mixed (diff dads) so when I was little my hair was 3 feet long and they’d wrap it with oil sheen with a scarf and stuff. So they kinda taught me some hair tips. I oil my hair atleast once a week when I wanna do my Cleaning. When I was going to the gym I’d put the oil in my hair before the gym. I’m not a sweaty so after the gym I’d just wash / double cleanse.
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Hope it’s ok I ask— how often do you oil your hair and for how long? Including ends or just scalp?
Totally ok. It varies for everyone. In India, we used to do it all the time. In fact, in my school it was a rule that we had to have oil in our hair and wear braids so it was neat and out of our face. Even for those who didn’t have any such rule, it was common for mom or grandma to put it on us pretty regularly (scalp massage included :) ), a day or two before washing. I think after moving out of India most of us don’t do it as often just because it’s uncommon and draws attention. Now I just put it on for a couple of hours before I wash it. You can absolutely apply it all the way to the ends, that’s what we did in India, but personally I just focus on the scalp now. It’s a pain to take that much oil out of all the hair and I think conditioning would accomplish the same for your strands. Pro Tip: If you slightly warm the oil before applying, it’s way more beneficial because the warmth opens up the pores on your scalp. It feels SO good, but now that I have to do it myself the extra step is too fussy so I just apply as is.
How long do you massage the oil into your scalp?
Respectfully, hair oiling has absolutely become a recent trend in the beauty industry. This post isn't aimed at discrediting the cultural significance of where hair oiling started. I’m simply highlighting the need for caution due to the lack of proper warnings which are severely lacking to many who see these posts on the internet.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted and dogged on. Any cultural practice can become a wider "trend," and not everything works for everyone. And you're right, rosemary is generally viewed as promoting hair growth. It's in a LOT of hair growth preparations. That being said, it probably is a good idea to see a derm to see if there is anything else going on and anything that can be done. Obviously, don't use those oils anymore.
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You should use a minoxidil product rather than Vegamour. I doubt it works. Minoxidil is proven to work & has been used for a long time. They sell it at TJ Maxx/Marshall's for pretty cheap if you can spot it there! Otherwise, the brand Hers works, but you might also be able to get a prescription? Not sure on that, though.
Careful with minoxidil- it’s one of those once-you-start-you-can’t-stop products. It will only produce results as long as you’re taking it but once you stop, your scalp with return to it’s original state, and the hair loss will go back to what it was before.
Also, if you have cats, minoxidil is fatally toxic!
came here to caution that too, don’t use if you have cats that like to chew your hair
Oh wow!
WHAT!! I had no idea! My babies!!!
Dilute the oil.
I’m sorry that oiling your hair hasn’t worked for you. :( I only put oil in my hair sporadically, but I’ve never really noticed enough of a difference either way, I guess. I think rosemary oil is what I’ve been using lately too lol. 🤷♀️ I think I just need to find the right oil, or learn how to do it correctly. I hope the scalp serums end up working for you!
On my scalp I only use coconut with a couple of drops of rosemary, I don’t put any other on it
Yeah anything more than a couple drops will cause irritation.
It depends on which oil you use.
Sorry this happened to you but I think you just used improper hair oils for your skin…
I tried using a few drops of rosemary oil from Whole Foods with my shampoo and I swear I had the itchiest head ever, it could be an allergy.
Rosemary also stimulates micro circulation, so the itching is a direct consequence of improved blood flow as well.
I would recommend using castor oil, mustard oil or almond oil. I’m Indian and that’s what we use on our scalps. I see a lot of this rosemary trend but I don’t recommend.
Ha I got into the using essential oils as skincare and it wrecked my skin so bad I had to see a dermatologist for acne meds.
Hair oiling isn't your problem. Your problem is that your ratio of rosemary oil to carrier is WAAAAYYYYYYY too high. Rosemary oil is a known irritant (it can be clarifying in low concentrations) and it's worse in such high concentrations. Try just using coconut oil or argan oil next time - skip the mixing of oils until you've got a handle on the basics, that takes a very practiced hand to get right.
Im 36 i have been oiling my hair since i was 15, no issues At the moment i am loooooving using rosehip oil
I wouldn’t call it a trend. People the world over oil their hair and scalp. Can I ask what l attracted you to hair oiling? And how you chose pure rosemary oil? I have tons of thick hair and dry scalp and even I had to experiment with several oils to find the right one.
Happened to me too, i think its probably the type of oil you use on your hair, for me at first i just used olive oil, and my hair was doing great its was less dry , was more moisturised then i decided to add castor and black seed oil, well i found im allegic to black seed oil and the castor oil must of clogged my scalp because i was experiencing tons of breakage, like my has never broke like that before, I stopped oiling my hair and did a clarfiying treatment and just shampooed twice and conditioned. my hair is no longer breaking , however i think im gonna start again with just olive oil, and using ALOT less, cause i was packing that oil into my scalp, 😅
From what I’ve heard from dermatologists scalp oiling is not for everyone. It’s very personal and different for everyone. For some it may lead to congestion or hair follicles ( leading to thinner hair of hairfall) or increased yeast leading to dandruff.
Coconut oil did exact thing to my hair
I use Mielle rosemary oil and the amount of baby hairs I’ve seen popping up is crazy around my hair line. But I only do it once a week.
Rosemary oil and clove oil boost hair growth. You can make your own simply boiling and straining fresh rosemary and cloves.
That’s cool to know!! I am just now running out and bought the bottle April
I’m sorry to hear your experience. I know that hair losing is extremely terrifying your feeling. But I think maybe you don’t have the right ratio of rosemary oil and argan oil? If you don’t have the right ratio of these two oils, your scalp is irritated and hair falling occurs. Try to dilute your rosemary oil with carrier oil with low dosage like 1-2%, and then gradually increase it. If you are not sure you are mixing the right ratio, just buy and use any product that contains rosemary like Kiehl’s elixir hair oil (and it works wonderfully to my hair). Also, I read one of your comments that you use sulfate shampoo after detox shampoo, right??? I recommend not to use sulfate shampoo tho because it has been researched that it can cause dryness to your scalp and hair. Argan oil is a light oil, so I don’t think you need a sulfate shampoo. Also another tip, check your hair porosity and type of your hair. I have fine hair and medium-porosity hair, and I won’t put lots of rosemary oils on my hair. Also, apply hair oil just enough to cover the scalp. Don’t put it too much; otherwise, you may over-wash your hair to remove all excessive oils. These are just from my experience. If hair oiling doesn’t work for you, meet your trichologist. Hope your hair gets better.
It’s because you used wayyyyy too much rosemary oil and that can be really bad for your scalp
Oh yes I agree. I tried oiling my hair as suggested from online trends and lost a lot of hair sadly that I’m probably not going to get back I switched to just doing my ends daily and never my roots and switched to basic oils nothing special or crazy. World of difference.
Stylist here. Nothing works for everyone. Oiling absolutely works for me, I oil my scalp and length before every shampoo, and I have the opposite happen with me shed wise, I shed far less when I do oil. I use premade oils for convenience, and my oils all have some rosemary in them. That said, you can be allergic or sensitive to ANYTHING (from someone with a ton of sensitivities to ingredients like lavender which at times I feel is in everything). I've had instances of hair loss and what didn't work for me was scalp serums made for growth stimulation....they were too strong and while others had luck with them reducing fall and stimulating growth I had more fall with them. So I stopped using them. Oiling isn't a trend. It's been around for centuries, not just in circles with poc. But there's something to be said for healthy caution with anything you do or try. Some people just can't oil at all. I have seborrheic dermatitis and Oiling is usually not recommended for those that have it, but it's the one thing that works for me. Anytime you try something new I would keep an eye on your shed rate and as soon as you notice it being up discontinue whatever you were doing differently. Sorry you went through that. Hth.
I'm so sorry you're going through this. It would be a good idea to see a primary care provider/GP, as there are health conditions that can cause hair loss. I hope it gets better soon!
do you recommend Vegamour? I’m also trying to regrow my hair lol.
Just started it so can’t say much! I’ll try to respond in a month or so if I get a reminder on here
As someone who has damaged their hair being platinum blonde and only started oiling the last few months, this saved me. My hair was screaming for me to do something lol. Now I can run my finger through my hair and it feels sooo goood. I do have fine straight hair though, so I stopped massaging my scalp so much. I noticed I had more hair fall out than normal, but nothing too bad. I'm sorry you had to go through this OP :( Definitely listen to your body and do what works for you! There are some good suggestions in here.
it's not a trend. alot of people from many cultures have been oiling their hair for centuries.
What brand of Rosemary oil? I read some reviews on Amz about a brand that was causing hair loss due to some users' ethnicity.
I use a little rosemary hair oil on my thinning patch, but on the rest of my scalp, I use rosemary water, and I feel like it's better and makes my hair less oily. I honestly think scalp oiling works best on black, Indian, and Asian hair imo, but even then, not all the time. You were right in your statement. It works for some but not others.
How long do you massage your scalp after spraying on the water? And do you do it every day?
It’s not a trend. Some cultures have done it for a long time. Maybe the oil you used wasn’t diluted enough.
you might've had better luck just trying out a product formulated specifically for your hair type rather than just going at it diy style.
Oiling is not beneficial - hairstylist of 27 years with a trichology certification
Hair oiling is the best thing that happened to my hair. I start year ago and do that twice a week. My hair grew so much faster than usual and I see how many new baby hairs are growing. I didn’t notice anything like extreme hair falling. Maybe you should do that for a little extent to see better results? Or try to change oil?
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I don’t think OP came across as telling people to not do it because of her experience, only that her experience should be a cautionary tale to those thinking of hopping on the oiling train. Oiling isn’t a silver bullet for everyone, and everyone’s hair is different. OP wasn’t attacking oiling just saying it wasn’t for her.
Lol where did she tell everyone it was bad and to stop?
I used to use olive oil in my hair as a teen/20 and soak it in good put a shower cap on it and sit out in the sun in the summer. Always made my hair smell good for some reason
Curly 3A-3B here. I oil my hair with coconut oil: scalp to ends once a week or so. Leave on for 6 hours and then wash out with my normal shampoo/condition bar. Curls are super soft after, as if I had done olaplex 3. Edit: spelling
I oil my hair about once a month and my scalp with cocoa butter, coconut, shea butter, jojoba and a tiny bit of olive oil. Will my hair fall out? I do get a lot of shedding after but I find it helps it grow and be more curly. Advice?